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YesIsaidYesIwillYes
January 18th, 2004, 10:52 PM
I'd go with:

1. Mississippi -racism runs rampant, horrible economy
2. Alabama -see Mississippi
3. Ohio - Faceless state IMO. Doesn't have its own identity. Not true rural midwest.

For the 3 most desirable states I'd say:

1. New York - The city carries alot of weight
2. Iowa - Best education in the country, 4 seasons, rolling hills, open spaces, cute little close knit small towns, RIVER TOWNS, the bridges of Madison county and very safe. The perfect anti -aesthetic to NYC.
3. California - Obvious reasons, warm, scantily clad women, more culture than Florida, about every topography imaginable.

I'm anxious to read your lists.

North2South
January 18th, 2004, 11:02 PM
I lived in Alabama for a few years (family is originally from AL) and I can honestly say New York is just as racist, if not more so, than Alabama.

TLOZ Link5
January 19th, 2004, 12:01 AM
1. Louisiana - consistently ranked as least safe and lowest quality of life out of all 50 states by Morgan Quitno. Also home to New Orleans, which despite its great music and food has a horrible crime situation; it is often said that if it weren't for the French Quarter, the Big Easy would just be a cesspool with a Superdome. Definitely a lot of racial strain.

2. Michigan - (Sorry GR2NYsoon) Especially the Detroit area. The woes of the automotive industry have left an urban landscape of half-dead or worse industrial cities with plummeting populations, racial tension and high crime. Detroit, despite many notable improvements (many of which were implemented simply through speculation), is one of the most segregated cities in the United States, and for years vied with Saint Louis for the nation's highest crime rate. Urban blight has also spread to the suburbs.

3. New Jersey - Because it's just plain evil :P

And North2South, yes there's plenty of racism all across America. In many cases, such as yours, the Deep South does have a bad, oftentimes undeserved, reputation for racism. Segregation may have been the law in the South, but it was the norm in the North; so the whole nation is to blame for such woes.

Best states:

1. Tie between Vermont and New York. Vermont is just plain gorgeous, and I love snow. New York because though the city does carry a lot of weight, upstate is also home to a diversity of wildlife and outdoorsy activities: hiking, mountain climbing, skiing, etc.

3. New Jersey - Because it's close to New York :P

STT757
January 19th, 2004, 11:04 AM
New Jersey - Because it's just plain evil

No wonder the Jersey Devils have won the Stanely cup so many times!

(IMO)

Out of the Fifty States the last three places I would like to live would be..

1.) Arkansas

2.) North Dakota (too cold, too boring, too flat)

3.) Alaska (Im sure Summers there are great, but I hate Winters spent indoors)

Out of the fifty States the three that I have never lived but would like to would be..

1.) California (Santa Monica, Hermosa Beach, Manhattan Beach, Newport Beach, San Clemente, Malibu, Monetery, Carmel, San Francisco, Pacifica, Santa Cruz, La Jolla)

California has an excellent quality of life, lots of recreational activities to keep busy all year round.

2.) Washington (Seattle, West Seattle), excellent quality of life. Great place to raise a family.

3.) Tie between Colorado and Oregon

TonyO
January 19th, 2004, 11:08 AM
I've done a lot of traveling and the easy choice for #1 is

#1 - Utah. - a scary place.

#2 - Texas. Gun-lusting, obese, and proud-to-be-so state. (I am a gun-owner but these people are just bizarre)

#3 - Oklahoma. Flat and painfully boring. Way too flat.

ZippyTheChimp
January 19th, 2004, 11:11 AM
Oklahoma is not flat.

It actually slopes up about three feet from the east border tyo the west border.

TonyO
January 19th, 2004, 11:18 AM
Oklahoma is not flat.

It actually slopes up about three feet from the east border tyo the west border.

Oklahoma City is what I remember the most and it is flat as a board there. Maybe I should have said just the city.

TLOZ Link5
January 19th, 2004, 12:59 PM
Oklahoma is not flat.

It actually slopes up about three feet from the east border tyo the west border.

Hee hee.

NoyokA
January 19th, 2004, 04:37 PM
Here goes nothing and on two hours of sleep.

All Time favorites:

1. California. Perfect weather, the coast has a moderated climate that almost always clears up before noon. The only exception being San Francisco which is almost always covered in fog, I think Mark Twain once said the coldest winter he ever experienced was a summer in San Francisco, he’s right. Also northern California with its ancient red woods and Yosemite Park is a must see. My favorite California cities are in SoCal, LA, San Diego, and Venice Beach all are lots of fun and its virtually impossible to be bored.
2. Utah. Probably the best experiences of my life scratch Salt Lake City. The scenery is breathtaking. The middle of the state is great for mountain climbing and amazingly greenery. I remember I met some of the nicest people there, Mormon’s are weirdoes but they are great people too. Characteristic of the south of the state is Bryce Canyon, the state was once covered with salt, hence salt lake, and I do not recommend visiting the lake. Anyways the salt creates some of the most astounding landforms you will ever see, they defy conventions. I remember at one Lake, its name has right now slipped my memory , anyways I set up camp near its banks, and the land forms would sometimes soar maybe 100 feet above it and its lots of fun jumping from that high! But there were caves in the water and all these little abysses as a result of the states geological past. I remember the banks were cluttered with thousands of giant trees, washed up, and I swear that night I had to have made one of the world’s largest bon-fire’s….
3. New York City. For having the best City in world!


Least Favorite States:

1. Mississippi. I remember I went down there and the coast had million dollar homes and right in there back yard were some of the most decrepit homes you would ever see, needless to say they still treat blacks like they were slaves. At the same time I was there they were rallying to bring back the confederate flag.
2. Louisiana. New Orleans is probably one of the worst cities I have ever been to. It’s poor and dirty and reflects the state. Its world famous Bourbon Street is disgusting. Furthermore it’s a pain in the ass to find authentic food there, and there is no public place in the entire city to cool off, the waters are too polluted.
3. Kentucky. Bunch of red neck hicks.

TLOZ Link5
January 19th, 2004, 11:08 PM
Stern:

3. Kentucky. Bunch of red neck hicks.

My dad was raised in northern Kentucky, suburbs of Cincinnati :P

Though that part of the state is definitely more Yankee than Rebel, considering that Cincy in its prime styled itself as Mini-New York :mrgreen:

Mightyoutpouring
January 20th, 2004, 12:36 PM
worst 3 states
1, Virgina - may be concidering excessive use tax on toilet paper
2, Texas- ugly cow disease
3, SouthCarolina- 50 dollar fine for each opened container [Beer cans] in your automoble. Do not push public to recycle Aluminum


best 3 states
North Carolina- their laid back
West Vigina- Govenors mansion is a double wide moble home
Kentucky- Drive through recycling [throw it out the window]

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In ashes their bodies found

At our nations brain of war,
More blood spilled out that day
Americans of honor
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The call our nation
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NoyokA
January 20th, 2004, 03:04 PM
My dad was raised in northern Kentucky, suburbs of Cincinnati

Though that part of the state is definitely more Yankee than Rebel, considering that Cincy in its prime styled itself as Mini-New York

Northern Kentucky is probably scenic. Southern Kentucky is very barren and as an outsider, a northern, all eyes were on my back and I felt them burn. I vainly tried Southern Kentucky culture which was a cave tour, and in Tennesse Jackson's House, hick culture.

BrooklynRider
January 21st, 2004, 05:41 PM
There are so many levels to judge this on....

Worst States

1) Utah - Beautiful landscape, but a Mormon Theocracy
2) Texas - Ugly Flat and a solid right wing conservative government bent of working outside our democratic process.
3) Nevada - Radioactive Uranium Dump for the country

Best States

1) NY - I've lived on a Long Island Beach. I've lived in Adirondack Park. I've lived in Manhattan. I live in Brooklyn. Everything is in this state.
2) Vermont - The last remanants of small town America and green natural beauty.
3) Oregon - Desert, Coastline, Mountains - I love it.

kevdogg
January 21st, 2004, 07:08 PM
why the utah hate?.... i mean seriously... those who are afraid of the theocracy have not spent more than a week here....

when hollywood types speak of the best parties they had all year... well without fail they mention utah....

sundance film festival anyone...
how bout the olympics
best nature in the country...

even still people complain about our liquor laws.. but there are plenty of other states with dry laws as well... some much more strict


you new yorkers dont like to camp but thats cool

its a great state
peaceful, safe, and homogenized.

worst states.
1. delaware
2. new jersey
3. michigan

NoyokA
January 21st, 2004, 07:12 PM
kevdogg read my post. Visiting Utah was the best expierence of my life!

TonyO
January 21st, 2004, 09:08 PM
While I agree that Utah is by far the most beautiful place in the US (Moab is amazing), it lacks a lot in my opinion. All I know is my experience there and I was very unimpressed. Are you aware that for the Olympics, Utah decided to give all their homeless bus tickets to Seattle? Low.

fioco
January 22nd, 2004, 12:10 AM
Least desirable states?
* Extreme poverty
* Totalitarianism (or any non-free society)
* Lack of concern for others

Every state has desirable qualities or its residents would move. Nearly all of my generation (in my extended family) left West Virginia to seek better opportunities elsewhere. We gather once a year for a reunion and the plight of the state is discouraging and heartbreaking -- but its beauty is sublime.

The Northern plains are facing difficult times but when they were priaries they were teeming with life. If states have become undesirable it is because people have created those extreme conditions. NYC was no paradise in the 1980's but I loved it just the same. I wish the thread had a more transformative title.

Clarknt67
February 21st, 2004, 04:24 PM
2. Michigan - (Sorry GR2NYsoon) Especially the Detroit area. The woes of the automotive industry have left an urban landscape of half-dead or worse industrial cities with plummeting populations, racial tension and high crime. Detroit, despite many notable improvements (many of which were implemented simply through speculation), is one of the most segregated cities in the United States, and for years vied with Saint Louis for the nation's highest crime rate. Urban blight has also spread to the suburbs.


You make a convincing arguement against my homestate (which i am visiting as I type!). Darn you! :x

Poor Detroit, I can't much argue with what you say, having lived there 5 years. :cry:

But parts of Michigan are truly beautiful, rolling green. And will all those lakes seems everyone and their uncle has a cabin upstate they can use to fish, hunt and waterski. The summers are beautiful and the winters look like postcards.

Ptarmigan
March 13th, 2004, 04:50 PM
I am a Texan, not a New Yorker. Here's my listings.
Worse
Oklahoma-They always beat us in the Red River Shootout, OU. Also, Oklahoma should be annexed by Texas.
Wisconsin-Hotbed for radical leftist politics.
Louisiana-Our neighbors to the east. The rest area is nasty if you even been in them. New Orleans is really dangerous place. Also, its very humid and I am use to to it. Also, its a dirty place.

Best
Texas-My home state. Great place to live. Lot of transplants in Texas. We are not all rednecks, but there are few of them and they live in East Texas mainly.
New York-New York City is there and my all time favorite city. I hear Upstate New York is cool.
Tough decision between Arizona and New Mexico, because they have really dark skies and a good place to star watch with a telescope.

Freedom Tower
March 13th, 2004, 06:47 PM
Im going to make my list soon, but out of 50 states I need to be sure I pick my favorites and least favorites so Ill do it in my next post. But Kevdogg, what do you hate about New Jersey? And you're from Utah right?

Law & Order
September 1st, 2005, 09:26 PM
2) Vermont - The last remanants of small town America and green natural beauty.

Go to Barre. Thoughts will change.

NewYorkYankee
September 1st, 2005, 09:56 PM
least-TENNESSEE, IM NEVER COMING BACK.
The whole southern region. I dont like it. Period.

Most- New York, New Jersey and MASS.

stache
September 2nd, 2005, 06:15 AM
Yes let's not forget Delaware. So much of flyover is deadly. Louisiana is bad because of the corruption & pollution. Then you have your choice of the other hard core Dixie states.

TLOZ Link5
September 9th, 2005, 03:41 PM
Now I feel really bad about the things that I'd said about Louisiana -- and New Orleans in particular. I think a lot of it had stemmed from some bitterness over a "philosophical discussion" with someone from Louisiana over the Internet. So I'll retract my statements in their entirety.

Law & Order
September 9th, 2005, 06:36 PM
least-TENNESSEE, IM NEVER COMING BACK.
The whole southern region. I dont like it. Period.

Most- New York, New Jersey and MASS.

There you go New York Yankee! Thats the way to talk. The south is ok if you are visiting. New York is good. And of course Massachusetts home of the Red Sox.

JCMAN320
February 22nd, 2006, 11:30 AM
My Top three favorites are:

1. New Jersey
2. New York
3. California

My top 3 worst:

1. Texas
2. Georgia
3. Florida

Ninjahedge
February 22nd, 2006, 12:01 PM
It is hard to say best and worst states, considering that there is so much they have to offer in either vein, but whatever.

I do not consider NJ to be the worst by far, but it's refineries and chemical plants in central NJ are some of teh worst I have seen.

MOST of the midwestern states are BORING AS HELL! if you did not have a sign telling you that you just left Oaklahoma you would not know you crossed into Texas for a good 300 miles or so. Nevada is all Cows and Corn, and New Mexico has one friggin corner of Mesas and Colored Rocks and that is about it.

Arizona sux rox as well. Litterally!!!


I guess the places I liked the best were the ones that were there because of their diversity. Not saying that they ARE the best, as I have not lived in all sections, but areas like Cali (NoCal!!!!), Massachusetts (Bahston), and New York (The city, not in East Bumblepluck) are some of the best.

I have also liked areas of the East and West coastlines, and some of the spots in Colorado, Utah and the like are nice as well.

The gulf area is a sweat-hole that I would not want to live in at all, and areas like ND and Montana may have some excellent areas (like skiing in Montana) but they are COLD FLAT AREAS (for the most part).


So whatever.

NYatKNIGHT
February 22nd, 2006, 01:59 PM
Nevada is all Cows and Corn,

Huh?

Ninjahedge
February 22nd, 2006, 02:10 PM
Huh?

Shoot, my bad....

NEBRASKA.

Durnit!

Nevada is just another boring state shadowed by the Rockies and dry as a bone because of it.


My bad.

remember911
March 1st, 2006, 12:57 PM
Newbie here. Love this forum!

Favorites:

1. New Jersey - Look at the demographics/opportunity and location, location, location. Beaches and industry!!!
2. New York - The world's finest city. See things youve never seen before!
3. Florida - Weather, beaches and thongs.

Least Favorite:

1. Mississippi - The textbook example of where NOT to live. They are just entering the 19th century there.
2. Texas - A state so impressed with itself that they think they are a nation....and they gave us all GW Bush. Enough said.
3. Georgia - Without Atlanta, GA = MISSSISSIPPI

Disclaimer: Lifelong Southerner, currently live in Atlanta (hate it), raised in Alabama, lived in MS for a (very short) time. Always a New York City fanatic, I have wised up and am trying to relocate to Jersey (can't afford NYC!!).
so when I say MS sucks, believe it!

NewYorkYankee
March 2nd, 2006, 06:07 PM
I like you Remember, Im from the south too (In NYC now), and I hate it down there.

remember911
March 3rd, 2006, 03:49 PM
Ive been reading your posts on your journey to NYC Yankee. Hope all is going well for you there.

Unlike your situation, I have wife and kid so Jersey looks like my future home, with the playground of NYC to always go to!!!!

Good thing my wife has submitted for a job in Parsippany!!

MrSpice
March 3rd, 2006, 04:02 PM
I would think that the worst states would be those that have no interesting cities, very few natural attractions and unimpressive economy.

I have not been to any of those but would guess that the worst states are:

1) Mississippi (the poorest state, bad economy, little to see except swamps and casinos)
2) Kansas - flat, agricultural, not much to see or do
3) Nebraska - same as Kansas

Some peolpe said that Utah is one of the worst states - can't be. It's beautiful, wealthy, organized and civilized and Salt Lake City is a nice town with great ski resorts. Tennessee has Memphis, so for that reason alone it's better than Nebraska. Texas is certainly not one of the worst states. It has a vibrant economy (Austin is a technological hub with a great university), great highways, many beautiful parks and cities, the best airport I've ever seen anywhere (Dallas Fort Worth) and no state income tax and most people, especially in large cities are nice and friendly. Georgia is probably pretty bad outside of Atlanta and sea towns, but those peaches are tasty. Someone said that Florida is one of the worst states - cannot disagree more. It has anything and everything a good state can think of - booming economy, beautiful beaches, good weather, low taxes and the natural beauty.

ryan
March 3rd, 2006, 04:44 PM
I'm not a very hateful person, but I have to say that I would have trouble enjoying Kansas with their "Intelligent" design (http://www.venganza.org/), um, situation, and South Dakota (http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/02/22/dakota.abortion.ap/) and their abortion, um, situation. If the personal is the political, then the politics of my home state fit my person.

NewYorkYankee
March 3rd, 2006, 05:03 PM
Ive been reading your posts on your journey to NYC Yankee. Hope all is going well for you there.

Unlike your situation, I have wife and kid so Jersey looks like my future home, with the playground of NYC to always go to!!!!

Good thing my wife has submitted for a job in Parsippany!!

Things are going great, thank you! Good luck with your move!

londonlawyer
March 3rd, 2006, 06:37 PM
The only states that I would live in are:

NY (only in NYC or its suburbs)
NJ (only in a NYC suburb)
Ct (only in Fairfield Cty.)
Pa (only in Philly or its suburbs)
Massachusetts (only in Boston or its suburbs)
Md (only in a DC suburb)
Va (only in a DC suburb)
Fl (only in Dade, Broward or PB Cty.)
CA (only in SF or its suburbs)
IL (only in Chicago or Lake County to the north of the city)

Under no circumstances would I live anywhere else in the US.

Jake
March 3rd, 2006, 07:24 PM
I would say

MOST DESIRABLE TO LIVE

1-Colorado (anythin near a ski area)
2-Vermont (Preferably in Dover, near Mt. Snow, a few other places as well)
3-Washinton (Seattle, maybe a few smaller cities in the north)


LEAST DESIRABLE

1-Louisiana (oh no)
2-Georgia (dear god)
3-Arkansas (no god no)

lofter1
March 3rd, 2006, 11:21 PM
Just about anywhere in Oregon would be fine by me ...

BrooklynRider
March 4th, 2006, 10:44 AM
If it has a southern accent, I'll pass.

NewYorkYankee
March 4th, 2006, 07:15 PM
Lol, BrooklynRider.

Jake
March 4th, 2006, 07:36 PM
What? Is there something wrong with Louisiana?

http://courses.soil.ncsu.edu/ssc570/student_projects/571_web_page/Wetland%20Ed.%20Website%20Photos/Southeast%20Swamp/Swamp%20Dogwood%20on%20Root%20Mound.JPG

BrooklynRider
March 5th, 2006, 12:42 AM
OH! So they have rebuilt it!

ryan
March 5th, 2006, 04:24 PM
Yeah, there's lots funny about Katrina. Impressive wit.

Hof
March 6th, 2006, 01:05 PM
I don't think there are best or worst states.There are just places I never want to be in again,and other places I'd hock my gold to get to.

For example,I can do without Louisiana.It's a shabby place,and you notice it instantly when you cross state lines.Their highways are horrible,worse than New Jersey,which isn't on my list.Their government is a parody.The environment,in the Southern part of the state and ALL along the Mississippi,has been raped repeatedly and made to suffer a public death.The cities are worn-out,like rustbelt towns.New Orleans,although interesting,was no prize city before Katrina,and it's got to be the pits now.If the French Quarter had flooded,there would never be any reason for me--or anyone else except FEMA workers--to go to Louisiana.

Nevada.Dust.Outside of Vegas,no signs of human life.I don't gamble,so I was outside of Vegas a lot.Its got great highways built atop the dust,so you can drive really fast through wasteland.It's so dry,you spit brown,like you had a chaw,or some disease.Except for the food in Vegas,no Nevada for me again.

California--let me list the reasons:fire,flood,earthquake,uber-diversity,two million dollar shacks,traffic,fault lines,CHP,three dollar gas,more traffic,smogs of many colors,LA,the need to know a dozen languages...et al.I do like San Francisco,when it's not rainy.
I dislike a lot of other places,some intensely like Detroit or Phoenix,but they are just cities and shouldn't paint their host states with their bad brush.

I like a lot more places than the list allows.Here are 3 places I want to go to right now:

New York.The whole State.It's where I'm from,and I get to NY a lot,except when it snows.I'll be getting there soon.

Idaho,particularly Boise--a killer small City-- and around North Idaho,up in the mountains that almost defeated Lewis and Clark.

Florida.I've been here 35 years.I love the place.It's like I'm on an eternal vacation.Eighty-nine percent of my New York family now lives in Florida.It'll be ninety when Cousin Ray gets out of Attica.It does not snow in Florida.There is no State tax.it's sunny and 75 right now,and March has only just happened.It gets better.

Oh,yeah,Texas is an honorary listee.Lived there for 4 years and never stopped loving the place.It's the only state with a recognizable personality.
And North Carolina.Can't forget Carolina,or Colorado or Wyoming...

MrSpice
March 6th, 2006, 04:37 PM
The only states that I would live in are:

NY (only in NYC or its suburbs)
NJ (only in a NYC suburb)
Ct (only in Fairfield Cty.)
Pa (only in Philly or its suburbs)
Massachusetts (only in Boston or its suburbs)
Md (only in a DC suburb)
Va (only in a DC suburb)
Fl (only in Dade, Broward or PB Cty.)
CA (only in SF or its suburbs)
IL (only in Chicago or Lake County to the north of the city)

Under no circumstances would I live anywhere else in the US.

Santa Monica, Malibu, Beverly Hills and the whole LA area by the sea are one of the most beautiful and desirable places to be in this country. SF can't even compare to it.

marclips
March 8th, 2006, 01:01 PM
Yes let's not forget Delaware. So much of flyover is deadly. Louisiana is bad because of the corruption & pollution. Then you have your choice of the other hard core Dixie states.

What's with all the Delaware hatin' in this discussion? I noticed a few people dissing my home state.

There's a lot more to the state than just the trip down I-95 on the way to DC. I agree that it doesn't have world-class large cities like New York or Philly, but it is a great place to live. Wilmington's a charming small city, northern Delaware is centrally located along the eastern seaboard, plus you've got Delaware beaches which are equal to or better than the Jersey shore. Politically speaking it's a solidly moderate state, and people are friendly and don't get shrill in the manner of either Kansas conservatives or Massachusetts liberals.

I've only ever lived in 4 states (CT, DE, PA, and one college semester in CA) so I can't have a fully formed opinion on this, but here goes:

Least desirable states:
1) Georgia - I've been to Atlanta and hated it. The traffic in all of metro Atlanta is ridiculous and they've got a hopelessly inadequate public transit system.
2) Louisiana - corrupt, dirt-poor, and miserably hot. This would have been my answer pre-Katrina, too.
3) Michigan
4) Nevada - I'd hate to be living in a place like Vegas, and there's not a whole lot in the rest of the state.

Most desirable states:
1) PA - I currently live in Philly and love it. Pittsburgh is a good place, too.
2) CA
3) WA Seattle area
4) MD - DC suburbs or Baltimore

RandySavage
March 8th, 2006, 03:08 PM
States I Would Least Like to Live In:

Indiana: When I went to Indianapolis I felt as if I had entered the post-apocalyptic world out of Mad Max where the only people left alive were oil traffickers, biker gangs and hookers.

Nebraska: Nothing but cornfields.

Iowa: Same as above: Industrial agriculture without relief.

MrSpice
March 8th, 2006, 03:18 PM
What's with all the Delaware hatin' in this discussion? I noticed a few people dissing my home state.

There's a lot more to the state than just the trip down I-95 on the way to DC. I agree that it doesn't have world-class large cities like New York or Philly, but it is a great place to live. Wilmington's a charming small city, northern Delaware is centrally located along the eastern seaboard, plus you've got Delaware beaches which are equal to or better than the Jersey shore. Politically speaking it's a solidly moderate state, and people are friendly and don't get shrill in the manner of either Kansas conservatives or Massachusetts liberals.

I've only ever lived in 4 states (CT, DE, PA, and one college semester in CA) so I can't have a fully formed opinion on this, but here goes:

Least desirable states:
1) Georgia - I've been to Atlanta and hated it. The traffic in all of metro Atlanta is ridiculous and they've got a hopelessly inadequate public transit system.
2) Louisiana - corrupt, dirt-poor, and miserably hot. This would have been my answer pre-Katrina, too.
3) Michigan
4) Nevada - I'd hate to be living in a place like Vegas, and there's not a whole lot in the rest of the state.

Most desirable states:
1) PA - I currently live in Philly and love it. Pittsburgh is a good place, too.
2) CA
3) WA Seattle area
4) MD - DC suburbs or Baltimore

You have to love Nevada for having the least restrictive laws of any state (gambling and many other things are legal there) and having some of the lowest taxes in the US. It's very business-friendly as well.

Jake
March 8th, 2006, 11:26 PM
^Also damn dry and full of prostitutes.

Check out the "Most livable cities" surveys done by the Economist and Mercer, US cities never make it in. Vancouver, Melbourne and Zurich are the perennial top-ranked cities. Seattle, WA takes a lot after Vancouver in their current urban policy, that's why I think it will do well in the future, add to that the fact that British Columbia is one of the most beautiful areas in the world and you've got a pretty nice area.

I love Colorado or more accuratly Aspen, British Columbia is like Aspen with the Pacific, really nice.

http://www.travelbase.com/destinations/seattle/hotel-seattle/images/seattle_b.jpg

EDIT: This is Seattle BTW

Fabrizio
March 9th, 2006, 03:44 AM
"You have to love Nevada for having the least restrictive laws of any state (gambling and many other things are legal there) and having some of the lowest taxes in the US. It's very business-friendly as well."

A sure formula for overall ugliness ( with the usual enclaves of gated wealth).


"Santa Monica, Malibu, Beverly Hills and the whole LA area by the sea are one of the most beautiful and desirable places to be in this country."

Yeah, well thanks a lot. My problem is that in the USA much of the beauty and fine living is reserved for the very wealthy.... most folks are on the outside looking in. In Europe you can wind around in a car in the most out-of-the-way places and find a charming bed&breakfast... have a great meal...linger in a pretty out door cafe with a good class of wine.... along with other regular folk, without needing to be a millionare. Beauty and sophisticated taste is accessibile to everyone. In America´s fly-over country, it´s kind of few and far between.

Jake
March 9th, 2006, 11:05 AM
I have to agree with that. I spent a few months backpacking through Europe after college and I ended my travel in Venice (going from Oslo, quite a trip), I was mostly impressed with the small towns around Udine and the beach towns near Venice which provided waterfront restaurants that were absolutely top-notch. Add to that the fact that you can always find someone who speaks English and it's a very nice place.

Northeastern Italy is one of the most beautiful places I've ever seen, rivaled only by perhaps Austria, which is basically the same region. And nothing compares to the Norwegian fjords and Zealand in Denmark.

The reason for the current state of such things in the US is that Americans simply lack sophistication. Europeans are far from perfect but they tend to raise their kids to know at least some etiquette and behave. I mean there's millions of people that do that in the US but %-wise most people are uneducated, rude, idiots.

TLOZ Link5
March 10th, 2006, 06:13 PM
1) Georgia - I've been to Atlanta and hated it. The traffic in all of metro Atlanta is ridiculous and they've got a hopelessly inadequate public transit system.

To be fair, I don't think that that's all Atlanta's fault. Not only does the State of Georgia not give any funding to MARTA, but suburban counties like Gwinnett and Cobb have refused to join or fund it because they don't want "those people" taking the train or the bus into their area. As a result, only Fulton and DeKalb counties are substantially served by MARTA, which some more charming critics have said is an acronym for "Moving Africans Rapidly Through Atlanta", while hundreds of thousands of Metro Atlantans are content to idle in their cars every rush hour.

antinimby
March 14th, 2006, 07:25 PM
One word only: TEXAS.

- Excruciatingly hot and humid summers.

- Unlike other places where eventhough they may have oppressive summers, the tradeoff is that they generally have pleasant winters. Not so in Texas. The winters can get cold and even snow is not uncommon, especially in the northern half.

- Tornadoes

- Hurricanes

Conclusion: while most states have one or the other drawbacks in terms of climate, Texas seems to have them all.

remember911
March 15th, 2006, 02:29 PM
To be fair, I don't think that that's all Atlanta's fault. Not only does the State of Georgia not give any funding to MARTA, but suburban counties like Gwinnett and Cobb have refused to join or fund it because they don't want "those people" taking the train or the bus into their area. As a result, only Fulton and DeKalb counties are substantially served by MARTA, which some more charming critics have said is an acronym for "Moving Africans Rapidly Through Atlanta", while hundreds of thousands of Metro Atlantans are content to idle in their cars every rush hour.

Speaking as an Atlanta metro resident, what the original poster said is SO true.:(

dboss66man
March 15th, 2006, 03:03 PM
Three least desirable states to live in? That's easy:

Utah, Utah, and Utah. Did I mention Utah?

NYatKNIGHT
March 15th, 2006, 03:36 PM
Except that Utah does have incredible topography. The scenery could be the most mindblowing in the country, and that says a lot. The entire southern half of the state could be a national park and the skiing up north is excellent. Even factoring in the Mormon weirdness, which is severe, I'd put the similarly conservative but flat states in tornado alley below Utah on my list.

Fabrizio
March 15th, 2006, 03:43 PM
Friends of mine went on a tour through the US (and had a great time)... however they mentioned that Utah had the least physically attractive people they had ever seen in their life. They kept noticing weird complexion problems. LOL... I kid you not. What´s going on there?

MrSpice
March 15th, 2006, 05:10 PM
"Santa Monica, Malibu, Beverly Hills and the whole LA area by the sea are one of the most beautiful and desirable places to be in this country."

Yeah, well thanks a lot. My problem is that in the USA much of the beauty and fine living is reserved for the very wealthy.... most folks are on the outside looking in. In Europe you can wind around in a car in the most out-of-the-way places and find a charming bed&breakfast.

In terms of natual beauty, I think most of California is very nice. All real estte along the shore is very expensive now, but still not as expensive as New York. You don't have to have any money to enjoy a nice walk along Santa Monica promenade and its beaches. In fact, on a weekday, I used to park my car for $2 for the whole day and walk by the beach. There are plenty of affordable hotels as well. I stayed in a 3-star hotel in Beverly Hills for $70/day thanks to Hotwire.

SilentPandaesq
March 15th, 2006, 05:15 PM
Hahaha..... I nearly narfed my soda at work. That comment has brought me out of 3 months of lurking on this board.

As to the Mormons, This is not the first time I have heard that. I used to work with a bunch of Mormons (they prefer to be called the LDS ) and as a consequence met some of their friends. Varying levels of skin conditions, but not like they were all atomic mutants or something.

antinimby
March 15th, 2006, 06:31 PM
No more lurking, you hear? It's time to come out into the light and that goes for the rest of you out there.

antinimby
March 15th, 2006, 06:34 PM
As a result, only Fulton and DeKalb counties are substantially served by MARTA,...Still, Fulton and Dekalb counties are quite large on their own right, so MARTA should still have plenty of room to grow.

johnny knoxvillian
March 25th, 2006, 03:27 PM
LOL - New Yorker's must get thier info on the "south" on TV! Like that silly show, "in the heat of the night". Oh, Kentucky never joined the confederacy by the way, Stern. Like another post said the North had numerous race riots, but nothing like that in the south. Iwoa is flat like most of the mid-west [not mid-south like someone said].Having been in every state it depends on what part and the people you encounter. Having chose to live in the south as evident by the rush of Northern's over the year's makes a diffirence; as I can not imagine why anyone would chose to live in a city like New York. The roads including the Penn. turnpike are crap probally cause the "crooks" take most of the money [concrete & aspalt he he].

TLOZ Link5
March 25th, 2006, 04:45 PM
LOL - New Yorker's must get thier info on the "south" on TV! Like that silly show, "in the heat of the night". Oh, Kentucky never joined the confederacy by the way, Stern. Like another post said the North had numerous race riots, but nothing like that in the south. Iwoa is flat like most of the mid-west [not mid-south like someone said].Having been in every state it depends on what part and the people you encounter. Having chose to live in the south as evident by the rush of Northern's over the year's makes a diffirence; as I can not imagine why anyone would chose to live in a city like New York. The roads including the Penn. turnpike are crap probally cause the "crooks" take most of the money [concrete & aspalt he he].

Before we begin, allow me to teach you the grammar lesson of the century regarding the use of apostrophes in plurals, courtesy of Bob the Angry Flower:

http://angryflower.com/aposter3.jpg

Second of all: yes, Kentucky never seceded from the Union, but it remained a slave state. In addition, race riots occurred in both the North AND the South, but they were more common in the North while lynching was more common in the South.

Why would anyone want to live in a city like New York, you ask? "Why would anyone want to live anywhere else?" is just as valid a question. New York is perenially the #1 city that Americans want to move to.

http://www.harrisinteractive.com/harris_poll/index.asp?PID=593

Also, I can't understand for the life of me the reference to the Pennsylvania Turnpike, which does not run to, past, or through New York City. It's completely irrelevant.

We New Yorkers are not the only people on this board who are criticizing a select few Southern states. There are many people on this board who are from the South and have listed Southern states among their "least desirable." Nor is one single state ever singled out for disparagement consistently. People's opinions vary. You'd do well to remember that.

BrooklynRider
March 25th, 2006, 05:00 PM
Ouch! Johnny Knoxvillian gets the bitch slap from TLOZ. You just don't come to a forum with a first post like that one. Nice work TLOZ.

ablarc
March 25th, 2006, 09:48 PM
Having chose to live in the south as evident by the rush of Northern's over the year's makes a diffirence; as I can not imagine why anyone would chose to live in a city like New York.
I live in the South. If I could, I'd live in New York. I'm kept out by the Law of Supply and Demand. There's so much demand to live in New York that housing costs have gone through the roof. I simply can't afford it.

If they were able to build enough housing to cope with the demand and prices consequently came down, I'd move in a jiffy.

Another reason I live in the South is that people on average aren't very smart here, so they provide me with less competition than I'd have in New York. For a lazy self-employed guy like me, that's important.

johnny knoxvillian
March 26th, 2006, 12:07 AM
Before we begin, allow me to teach you the grammar lesson of the century regarding the use of apostrophes in plurals, courtesy of Bob the Angry Flower:

Second of all: yes, Kentucky never seceded from the Union, but it remained a slave state. In addition, race riots occurred in both the North AND the South, but they were more common in the North while lynching was more common in the South.

Why would anyone want to live in a city like New York, you ask? "Why would anyone want to live anywhere else?" is just as valid a question. New York is perenially the #1 city that Americans want to move to.

http://www.harrisinteractive.com/harris_poll/index.asp?PID=593

Also, I can't understand for the life of me the reference to the Pennsylvania Turnpike, which does not run to, past, or through New York City. It's completely irrelevant.

We New Yorkers are not the only people on this board who are criticizing a select few Southern states. There are many people on this board who are from the South and have listed Southern states among their "least desirable." Nor is one single state ever singled out for disparagement consistently. People's opinions vary. You'd do well to remember that.

I forgot there are those who get hung up on "proper" english. What cities had race riots in the south? I am originally from Miami so is that far enougn south? I do know that most are from the North and what we call the J effect they all move the the south. I guess that what your idea of "living" would be living in a rat race like NYC is not what I consider worth while. It is a hick culture but they are real. New Yorkers are the rudest, meanest, etc. I also lived in Oak Ridge TN. so as far as the smarts go ignorance is abundant including here. I mentioned the Pa turnpike as another example of lousy roads that destroyed my cars when I had to go North. You meant that NYC was the destination of everyone outside the US. Whether I am right or wrong is a matter of opinion - duh. Remember that well you would do too.. if I had time to spend on this forum as most of you do then maybe there is not so much to do he he in the CITY.

johnny knoxvillian
March 26th, 2006, 12:11 AM
Ouch! Johnny Knoxvillian gets the bitch slap from TLOZ. You just don't come to a forum with a first post like that one. Nice work TLOZ.

That is exactly what I am talking about. Who uses that cliche anymore? Bitch slap? Doesn't matter how sophisticated you think you are when you talk like a punk or bitch.

johnny knoxvillian
March 26th, 2006, 12:14 AM
I live in the South. If I could, I'd live in New York. I'm kept out by the Law of Supply and Demand. There's so much demand to live in New York that housing costs have gone through the roof. I simply can't afford it.

If they were able to build enough housing to cope with the demand and prices consequently came down, I'd move in a jiffy.

Another reason I live in the South is that people on average aren't very smart here, so they provide me with less competition than I'd have in New York. For a lazy self-employed guy like me, that's important.

I think it is funny when you change and omit my original quote. Lazy seems to be the reason you are stuck in the "south" and that attitude about other people won't get you anywhere either.

ZippyTheChimp
March 26th, 2006, 12:14 AM
Thanks for stopping by, Jethro.

czsz
March 26th, 2006, 12:14 AM
That is exactly what I am talking about. Who uses that cliche anymore? Bitch slap? Doesn't matter how sophisticated you think you are when you talk like a punk or bitch.

Kinda hard for y'all to grasp ironic usage?

johnny knoxvillian
March 26th, 2006, 12:21 AM
Kinda hard for y'all to grasp ironic usage?

You all or all never y'all and when you try to talk so clever no one knows what the h__k you are talking about - go figure. Why wasted my time with a bunch of close minded bigoted morons. Ironic usage? Is that a wordsmith tring to use words to impress or what? If any of you were any good you would be getting paid for the "words" instead of this trib

Losers

johnny knoxvillian
March 26th, 2006, 12:23 AM
Thanks for stopping by, Jethro.

I come from paradise and have the means to live where ever I want so this is all blowing smoke up your arses - stay in the City with the rest of the rats.

ZippyTheChimp
March 26th, 2006, 12:26 AM
I guess the schools aren't all that good in Paradise. Or were you just born a dumbass?

czsz
March 26th, 2006, 12:27 AM
h__k

Did you really just censor your own use of the word "heck"? I knew there might still be deep, dark corners of the country that did this but...I thought they were merely the stuff of legend.

Johnny, it's clear you don't leave "paradise" because you're too provincial to peek outside.

johnny knoxvillian
March 26th, 2006, 12:29 AM
I guess the schools aren't all that good in Paradise. Or were you just born a dumbass?

School does not seem to have helped you and your handicap. Anyone who uses a chimp as a icon must not be all that bright to me................................................ .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. ...v

johnny knoxvillian
March 26th, 2006, 12:32 AM
Did you really just censor your own use of the word "heck"? I knew there might still be deep, dark corners of the country that did this but...I thought they were merely the stuff of legend.

Johnny, it's clear you don't leave "paradise" because you're too provincial to peek outside.

Depends on how you leave and provincial is such a colonialism you must be another lazy anglo saxon protestant prick. Good night the king has left this bull horse ma whoey spell check pls he he

ZippyTheChimp
March 26th, 2006, 12:36 AM
That's the point, Jethro. It's just an icon. But you being a dumbass is all too real.

I have to go, but feel free to continue on your own.

OmegaNYC
March 26th, 2006, 01:43 AM
umm, I haven't post since December, but it is good to see that everyone is doing fine. :rolleyes:

Fabrizio
March 26th, 2006, 04:28 AM
"Thanks for stopping by, Jethro."

LOL!

lofter1
March 26th, 2006, 10:09 AM
wired new yorkers close ranks once again ...

johnny knoxvillian
March 26th, 2006, 11:01 AM
That's the point, Jethro. It's just an icon. But you being a dumbass is all too real.

I have to go, but feel free to continue on your own.

Being a jackass and laughing my "dumbass" all the way to the bank. When someone usually sez they have to go means they are full of shit.

bubdanose
March 26th, 2006, 11:01 AM
You are a southern boy in drag:eek:...people who are truly from the South don't have to bash the North...we have accepted the fact that we are one nation...times have changed baby. So the only conclusion I can come to is that you are one of those who sit in front of the puter and think it is real.. it is puterland....:D

ZippyTheChimp
March 26th, 2006, 11:11 AM
I just received an email reporting this thread from "Johnny Hollywood," who complained that "haven't been on in a year and this is what I have to read."

But it was dumbass Jethro who was too stupid to remove vistavar from his profile.

Going to lock this thread until the troll gets banned.