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February 21st, 2004, 10:02 PM
February 5, 2003
Sailors, Runaways and Now, Bicoastal Hoteliers

A portholed Chelsea building, designed in the 60's for a sailors' union and later enlisted as a teenagers' shelter, is to be redeveloped as a hotel.

Guest rooms built for members of a sailors' union — each with windows shaped like portholes — and later used by runaway teenagers and then by visitors from China are soon to be occupied, the building's new owners hope, by hip visitors to New York in what is now the Maritime Hotel.

The hotel is the latest incarnation of the white-tile 12-story structure that occupies the blockfront on the east side of Ninth Avenue between 16th and 17th Streets.

Its introduction signifies a new partnership on the New York hotel scene: that of the club and restaurant impresarios Sean K. MacPherson and Eric Goode, who offered the winning bid for the property, $19 million when it was sold in 2001, and the hotel developers Richard Born and Ira Drukier.

Mr. MacPherson and Mr. Goode are known individually for clubs in New York, like Mr. Goode's Area, MK and the Bowery Bar; in Los Angeles for places like Mr. MacPherson's Bar Marmont, Swingers and Jones; and jointly for the Park restaurant in New York, created from three former taxi garages on 10th Avenue near 18th Street.

No sooner did the two club operators complete the acquisition than they called Mr. Born and Mr. Drukier, developers, owners and operators of hotels including the Chambers and the Stanhope, as well as the glassy loft condominium towers on Perry Street designed by Richard Meier. Mr. Born and Mr. Drukier had also bid on the old union building.

"They signed the contract to buy and called me about 10 minutes later and said they wanted to talk about doing it together," Mr. Born said. "We then joined forces to buy the property and own the hotel.

"Then Sept. 11 happened, and we all looked at each other and asked, `Do we really want to move forward?' " he recalled. "We had several other hotel sites that we put on hold, but we made a decision to move forward with this because we think we're going to offer a product that is a little unique and that at our price point, we can survive and prosper even post-9/11." The total cost of the project is about $33 million.

The building has an eclectic past. It was designed in 1966 for the National Maritime Union by Albert C. Ledner, a New Orleans architect. It served as the annex to the union's main building on Seventh Avenue between 12th and 13th Streets and included living quarters and instructional, medical and recreation space.

In 1987 it was converted into a home for runaway youths by Covenant House. Nine years later, it changed hands again, when it was sold to the New York Service Center for Chinese Study Fellows, which provided a variety of housing and educational services for Chinese students, artists and businesspeople.

Each team of partners involved in the current renovation provided different skills. "Clearly, they had never done a project like this," Mr. Born said of his restaurateur partners. "But they had the vision, determination, substantial personal capital and energy. They are the vision people, and we are the real estate and finance guys."

Mr. MacPherson and Mr. Goode also designed the changes in the building's exterior and interior. "They drew everything out," Mr. Born said. "We have engineers and architects who reviewed their designs and made them conform to city codes and requirements."

Pointing to the restoration of the wood-slatted, barrel-vaulted ceiling in the ballroom that was once the union hiring hall, Mr. MacPherson said, "We're trying to restore as much of the original as possible."

The existing walls of the 120 guest rooms and 4 suites, each facing west and with a circular window five feet in diameter, are staying in place. The rooms, with new dark teak built-in furnishings and glossy white ceilings, are vaguely evocative of ship staterooms. The rooms are expected to rent for around $200 a night.

At the street level, "our emphasis will be on beautiful gardens," Mr. Goode said. A 12,000-square-foot plaza on the Ninth Avenue side of the building, will be elevated eight feet off the ground. In the middle will be a 5,000-square-foot garden with a pond and lily pads.

The garden is to be flanked by a restaurant, probably Mediterranean, and a bar. Both will have additional gardens on their roofs. There will be a Japanese restaurant inside.

Despite the downturn in hotel occupancy, Mr. Born says he thinks the partnership has a successful formula for the hotel.

"Yes, there has been a lot of erosion in hotel rates," he said, "but maybe the high levels we got used to in 1999 and 2000 were not normal. And clearly, with the two restaurants, ballroom and gardens, we will potentially have between 1,000 and 2,000 people eating there every day."

Copyright 2003 The New York Times Company

February 21st, 2004, 10:20 PM
363 W 16th Street
New York, NY 10011
Telephone (212) 242-4300

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February 21st, 2004, 10:22 PM
February 22, 2004
A Place for Their Kind

For those nostalgic for the first wave of exclusive lounges in the mid-1990's like Spy and Wax, where art dealers, scruffy rock stars and high-powered literary agents mingled with the latest models, Hiro, the new Japanese-themed lounge at the Maritime Hotel in Chelsea, will try to channel that feeling.

"We won't use promoters or e-mail out mass invitations," said Nur Khan, who was an owner of Wax and the bar Sway, and who says he is friends with the likes of Kate Moss, Mick Jagger and Primal Scream. "Everyone in here has to be a power broker or creative."

To help spread the word to the right people, Mr. Khan and the singer Michael Stipe of R.E.M. were hosts of Hiro's first event, during Fashion Week, a private party for the British magazine Dazed and Confused, attended by a who's who of waifish models and the young actresses Kirsten Dunst and Maggie Gyllenhaal, which Mr. Khan said was a good sampling of his crowd. "It's meant to feel like a secret late-night hideaway," said Eric Goode, who owns and designed the Maritime Hotel with Sean MacPherson. Mr. Khan worked with them on the design of Hiro and runs it.

At Hiro's opening on Feb. 13, the formula seemed to gel. There was no sign outside, no velvet rope and no guest list. Instead, patrons were greeted by a woman peering through a window who cracked the door so they could plead their case for entry. At about midnight, people began to trickle into the club, a dimly lit room with low, undulating wooden ceilings, Japanese lanterns and a backlighted shoji screen concealing a sunken ballroom that will be used for special events and concerts.

Malcolm Crews, 32, a fashion art director, sat sipping a vodka tonic in a red banquette obscured by a rope curtain. "Friday nights are usually really scary," said Mr. Crews, noting with approval as a group of women walked past that there wasn't a bare midriff or Ugg boot among them. "I usually just stay home," he said, "but here it seems like there's a better chance of meeting cool people."

Over by the long wooden bar stood Benji Baker, 32, a former model who had come to Hiro to meet up with friends from the Wilhelmina modeling agency. Ms. Baker had dined next door at Matsuri, the Japanese restaurant, and then wandered upstairs to the hotel bar, she said, for yet another round of sake.

"Everyone we want to see is coming here tonight," said Ms. Baker, who said she met Mr. Khan during too many late nights years ago at Wax. "I only hope I don't pass out before they get here."

August 7th, 2005, 09:00 PM
Maritime Hotel and Chelsea Piers. August 2005.

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May 31st, 2008, 09:52 PM
Always one of my favorites. I want to have a bite in the restaurant at the bottom, which always reminds me of South Beach when I walk by.



The Benniest
May 31st, 2008, 10:07 PM
Nice pictures. I really like the windows of this hotel, and how they open. Also, I agree that the restaurant seems like a very nice place and reminds me of places in Florida as well.

Thanks. :)

Meryna Lou
July 30th, 2008, 05:16 PM
Yes, it looks very nice but I don't think poeple there are very nice (administration staff) ...

August 21st, 2008, 09:49 PM
The people who work the door can be unpleasant to an extent ( especially if there is a line around the corner) but its nothing atypical NYC clubs. Im talking about Hiro ballroom which is on the 16th st side next to the main entrance for the hotel. This has become a consistently hot party for the past couple of years; always a fun time.

August 22nd, 2008, 07:45 PM
Here is a photo looking out from one of those windows...


by mo husseini (http://flickr.com/photos/mohuss/251198022/sizes/l/)

And what a typical room looks like? Except for the guy of course. ;)


by mo husseini (http://flickr.com/photos/mohuss/251198021/sizes/l/in/photostream/)

The Benniest
August 29th, 2008, 11:22 AM
Does the bed fold up? :p

April 8th, 2009, 12:05 AM
On the 17th Street wing of the Maritime they're adding more window openings.

I think I remember seeing the scaffolding for this and there is a permit filed for skin replacement.

Rendering by Spine 3D

April 8th, 2009, 07:04 AM
With the new treatment, the original concept is completely ruined (no longer maritime). Was this not landmarked?

April 8th, 2009, 11:24 AM
How is it no longer maritime?

April 8th, 2009, 03:22 PM
Thanks very very much for posting all of the pictues of the hotel. Does anyone know the new name of the hotel? Since it's not Maritime anymore. I need to know the new name of the hotel.

April 8th, 2009, 06:23 PM
It's still called the Maritime Hotel.

Methinks that ablarc was referring to the fact that they no longer use it as housing for maritime workers (one of the original purposes when it was first built by the National Maritime Union (http://www.nyc-architecture.com/CHE/CHE025-NationalMaritmeUnion.htm) as their HQ in 1966; Arch: Albert C. Ledner (http://wirednewyork.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16096)). And possibly because when it was re-done for the hotel they built over and filled in the raised open-front plaza (which set off the big port-holed wall facing Ninth Avenue) and thereby somewhat marred the "side of an ocean liner" look that the building originally had.

A good article on the changes at building from Chelsea Now (http://chelseanow.com/%20cn_30/cb4okscovenant.html).

A shot of the plaza construction (seen in this thread's first post (http://wirednewyork.com/forum/showpost.php?p=23678&postcount=1)):


April 8th, 2009, 07:07 PM

April 8th, 2009, 07:59 PM
A ship's portholes are relentlessly and judiciously spaced --and never in a surface scored to look like (of all things!) masonry.

April 9th, 2009, 06:37 AM
A bit more in this post (http://www.wirednewyork.com/forum/showpost.php?p=200310&postcount=1).

That seaman's dorm looks rather spartan and uninviting, but very clean. Nice view, though.

April 9th, 2009, 06:56 AM
Poor Ledner! All his New York stuff is getting trashed at the same time.

Landmarks if I ever saw one. Problem is, they're in the currently unpopular style that also resulted in 2 Columbus Circle's recladding.

May 2nd, 2009, 07:12 PM
Larger rendering of the "Dream Hotel" by Spine 3-D

[url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/spine3d/3400455650/]Spine 3D

May 3rd, 2009, 12:21 AM
That ^ looks fantastic.

Website for Gavin Associates has a Case Study (http://www.gavinassociates.com/casestudies/DreamHotelGallery.html#) with images of the windows in production, but the 'click to enlarge' feature for the photos doesn't work :mad:

Here's one little pic:


This new facade certainly will be better than the silly street-levle "stage set' facde that went up along West 17th in the 90's ...



On West 17th, a Little Bit More of West 17th

NY TIMES (http://www.nytimes.com/1996/08/11/realestate/on-west-17th-a-little-bit-more-of-west-17th.html)
August 11, 1996

A stark white building in Chelsea whose porthole-like window design was adopted by its former owners, a maritime union, to evoke links to the sea is being given a partial new face, a sort of 20-foot-high stage set designed to link it visually with its neighbors.

Finishing touches were being made last week to the new face of the building at 346 West 17th Street, now owned by Covenant House and used as a dormitory and classroom facility for its programs with adolescents. The design is that of a row of two-story buildings, each in a different color brickface applied to stucco, and including doors, window treatments, sills and cornices.

The only other times Tom Lukas, the project's crew leader from Garden State Brickface Century 21 Home Improvements, could recall doing similar jobs were for movie sets of Spike Lee's ''Malcolm X'' in St. Albans, Queens, and Woody Allen's ''Purple Rose of Cairo'' in Piermont, N.Y.

''It's an attempt to make the building welcoming and warmer,'' said James J. Harnett, executive vice president of Covenant House ...

Some pics of the building from the '60s HERE (pdf) (http://docomomo-us.org/files/LEDNER%20Event%20Invite_sm.pdf)

October 24th, 2009, 12:26 AM

October 24th, 2009, 02:01 PM
I'm sure it's great from the inside and the ground level will be better with windows, but I personally hate the new window placement on the facade. The regular spacing was so much more attractive.

October 24th, 2009, 02:34 PM
Connection to its name is gone.


October 27th, 2009, 05:22 AM
Construction Watch: Dream Downtown Starts to Shine

October 26, 2009, by Pete

Round Dream holes above West 17th.




Has the nightmare (http://www.hotelchatter.com/story/2009/7/16/12856/9829/hotels/Will_Dream_NYC_s_Financial_Woes_Affect_You_) for Vikram Chatwal, developer (http://curbed.com/tags/vikram-chatwal) of the string of Dream Hotels, come to an end? Recently things have started to look brighter over at 346 West 17th Street in Chelsea/MePa North, where Chatwal's Dream Downtown Hotel has started to bubble up (http://curbed.com/archives/2009/05/21/construction_watch_round_round_at_the_dream_downto wn.php) and shine. For a few months over the summer this one looked to be stalled and anything but a dream.

Now, from the High Line a few blocks to the west, the uppermost orbit of round windows (http://curbed.com/archives/2009/05/21/construction_watch_round_round_at_the_dream_downto wn.php) newly-framed in stainless steel can be seen shimmering against the sky. But there's still no mention of this one on the Chatwal Hotel Collection website (http://www.vikramchatwalhotels.com/). Whether this a Chatwal chimera or something certain still remains to be seen.

Construction Watch: Round & Round at the Dream Downtown (http://curbed.com/archives/2009/05/21/construction_watch_round_round_at_the_dream_downto wn.php) [Curbed]

http://curbed.com/archives/2009/10/26/construction_watch_dream_downtown_starts_to_shine. php

October 28th, 2009, 10:53 AM
Too cheesy.

September 4th, 2010, 02:33 AM
Meatpacking District Building's Swiss Cheese Makeover Complete

September 2, 2010, by Joey


The slow reveal (http://ny.curbed.com/tags/dream-downtown-hotel) of the facade makeover of the upcoming Dream Downtown Hotel is complete, and Holey Sant! Sant Singh Chatwal that is, who, along with his son, Vikram, is behind the conversion of this former homeless shelter to a luxury boutique hotel. The building, at 346 West 17th Street, used to have (http://ny.curbed.com/archives/2007/10/03/from_homeless_to_hip_in_maritimes_mepa_shadow.php) a more simple porthole pattern reminiscent of the nearby Maritime Hotel and the endangered O'Toole Building (http://ny.curbed.com/tags/o%27toole-building). All three were designed by architect Albert Ledner, who must have dressed as sailor by his mom when he was little. Writes our tipster, "Looks pretty awesome, especially with the sun setting over the west." The Wall Street Journal (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703418004575456023690808554.html) just profiled the Chatwals, and reported that the 316-room Dream will open in early 2011.


Survivor Stands on Verge of a Grand New Expansion (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703418004575456023690808554.html) [WSJ]
Dream Downtown Hotel coverage (http://ny.curbed.com/tags/dream-downtown-hotel) [Curbed]

http://ny.curbed.com/archives/2010/09/02/meatpacking_district_buildings_swiss_cheese_makeov er_complete.php#more

October 4th, 2010, 10:05 PM
This came out pretty nice. The 16th Street facade is even better --bigger holes. Not too many good pics of this around though since its tucked on a side streets.


Friday, May 7, 2010
Downtown Dream
The Downtown Dream Hotel is getting skinned in quilted, robot-silver sheet metal.



October 4th, 2010, 10:42 PM
Have they uncovered the entire 16th Street side?

October 5th, 2010, 01:34 PM
I think so. I really can't remember. It was late, I was drunk so maybe I imagined it all.

But it was revealed enough to see how it differs from the 17th Street side.

October 7th, 2010, 10:02 AM
Not unlike the original guests.

October 15th, 2010, 08:46 PM
Chelsea's Big Cheese Shows Another Side

October 15, 2010, by Pete Davies




The Dream Downtown Hotel, recently dubbed "The Cheesegrater" following the reveal (http://ny.curbed.com/archives/2010/09/13/new_meatpacking_district_hotel_cuts_the_cheese.php ) of its big sloping facade in hole-y stainless steel rising over West 17th Street, is now showing off a new south face. What's seen along West 16th Street is less Swiss-ish and maybe more Moroccan, with a scrim of perforated stainless steel punched with honking big holes. All regularly spaced, as opposed to the more random pattern on the north facade, the holes here enclose balconies fronted by nearly invisible glass balustrades. In the dream world it's often claimed that holes symbolize an entry point into the great "unknown," and given the really long construction period for this project, that unknown is fitting.

The Dream Downtown website (http://www.dreamdowntown.com/), much like the hotel itself, is still under construction and reveals little about what the hotel will offer, design-wise. And their Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/pages/New-York-NY/Dream-Hotels/120500067569?) page yields nothing new. The opening is still slated for sometime in the Spring of 2011, so the Dream crew will have plenty of time to plug the holes and get this place ready for cheese lovers of all sorts. Meanwhile, dive into those holes and dream on.

Dream Downtown Hotel coverage (http://ny.curbed.com/tags/dream-downtown-hotel) [Curbed]
New Meatpacking District Hotel Cuts the Cheese (lhttp://ny.curbed.com/archives/2010/09/13/new_meatpacking_district_hotel_cuts_the_cheese.php ) [Curbed]
Photo Gallery (http://www.dreamdowntown.com/) [Dream Downtown website]


November 20th, 2010, 12:09 AM

January 26th, 2011, 09:17 PM
Does anyone know the architect that designed the hotel, besides ledner in 1966. I know that some architect were hired by the partners who complied it with the building codes (circles on the facade) but do anyone know their names or firm ?

Please let me know.


April 27th, 2011, 09:40 PM
duskzero (http://www.flickr.com/photos/duskzero/5482859148/sizes/l/in/set-72157601616117878/)

April 27th, 2011, 11:10 PM
Architect for the Dream Downtown (http://www.vikramchatwalhotels.com/press-release/documents/Dream_Downtown_Fact_Sheet.pdf) is Frank Fusaro / Handel Architects. But the project doesn't seem to be on the HA website (http://www.handelarchitects.com/).

I can't find any references, despite a lot of articles on The Maritime (http://hotelierinternational.com/maritime_hotel), about which architect was in charge of the re-make of Ledner's Joseph Curran Annex, but it's stated here (http://www.nyc-architecture.com/CHE/CHE025-NationalMaritmeUnion.htm) that the "club and restaurant impresarios" Sean K. MacPherson and Eric Goode came up with the design.

April 28th, 2011, 06:46 AM
Facade streaking mars this building; it's a result of rainwater draining concentratedly from the low point of the circular windows. Hard to figure out a fix.

April 28th, 2011, 09:10 AM
Hmmm. Swissotel now.

June 4th, 2011, 01:14 AM
Suggestion to mods: rename this thread to include new name?

Not sure if I'd feel comfortable sitting underneath it :eek:.

Dream Downtown Pool Lounge Preps For June Opening

June 2, 2011, by Scott Solish

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Opening in the next few weeks is the Dream Downtown Hotel, the Chatwal family's latest project for their flagship hotel brand. While everyone already knows about Romera New York, the hotel's restaurant that will feature a $245 prixe fixe menu helmed by Dr. Miguel Sánchez Romera, it's now time to start peeling back the curtain on some of the nightlife spaces that are being operated by Noah Tepperberg and Jason Strauss's Strategic Group and will be ready when the hotel starts to welcome its first paying guests around June 20th. First up is the pool lounge, which is situated on the lobby roof in between the hotel's two towers on 16th and 17th Streets, and not on top of the towers as was previously reported. The pool will be for the hotel's guests during the afternoon, and will transition into a lounge at 5:30 PM that will be open to the public.

The pool area will have its own bar and its own check in area in the lobby for customers to keep them separate from the hotel's overnight guests. Expect this to operate much more like a Las Vegas style pool lounge than a more haphazard operation like the Gansevoort's pool a few blocks away. Meanwhile, you can also get from the lobby to the pool by the pretty staircase seen above, or if you don't feel like heading up there but want to check out the action, feel free to head to the lobby bar and look up, because you can see through the lobby ceiling into the pool.

While the area immediately surrounding the pool is standard deck, the eastern area of the pool will be filled with sand to create a mini beach. Some of the second floor hotel rooms will also have direct access to the pool, something that may prove problematic if a party goer wants to escape from the sun by crashing in your hotel room. Anyway, that's not our problem.
This is just one of the projects that Strategic has planned for the Dream Downtown, although a rep said the others, including the roof lounge that apparentlyfeatures a view to rival the Boom Boom Room, are not quite ready for visitors. They better finish up soon, because the guests will be showing up any minute.

Strategic Group Dreams Big On Dream Downtown's Roof (http://ny.eater.com/archives/2011/02/strategic_group_dreams_big_on_dream_downtowns_roof .php)[~ENY~]

http://ny.eater.com/archives/2011/06/dream_downtown_pool_lounge_preps_for_june_opening. php#dream-downtown-hotel-7

September 30th, 2011, 10:32 PM

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May 13th, 2012, 05:54 AM
The “Dream” Hotel with Portholes Galore

(click photos to enlarge)

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Dream Downtown Hotel by Handel Architects; All photos courtesy of the architects.

Who doesn’t like portholes? Handel Architect‘s Dream Downtown Hotel is chock full of them. The 184,000 square-foot boutique hotel is dominated by its perforated exterior, a giant tableaux of monumental circular cutouts that’s both sleek and entirely endearing. Located in Chelsea near the Hudson River, the 12-story structure looks like it’s bound for the water, its nautical stainless steel shell, large massing, and angled profile are at odds with the rest of the neighborhood.

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The porthole motif running throughout the design was a riff off of what remains of architect Albert Ledner’s National Maritime Union of America building, which first introduced the “otherness” of the “punched-out window” facade to the neighborhood in 1966. Handel architects revamped Ledner’s scheme, replicating its bubble-like windows at different sizes and applying them to the interiors, coverings, and finishes, thus multiplying the original’s idiosyncrasies. In so doing, the scale of the building is reconciled with that of its surroundings while creating a consummate aesthetic that’s immediately identifiable.

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May 13th, 2012, 10:36 AM
The way the grime accumulates and dribbles down that slanted wall of stainless steel above West 17th is already apparent, just one year after opening.

Portholes or Pockmarks?

July 31st, 2012, 06:15 PM
I really like how this came out. Might not look as good close up.

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