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Kris
April 16th, 2004, 02:18 AM
April 16, 2004

RESIDENTIAL REAL ESTATE

9-Story Project Approved in TriBeCa Warehouse District

By JOSH BARBANEL

A small investment bank has won final approval to build a nine-story building on the edge of a historic and trendy TriBeCa warehouse district, a project that is intended to weave together the old and new, both in the curved arch of its windows and the unusual mix of uses planned for the building.

The project at 408 Greenwich Street, approved over strenuous community opposition, is to be built on the site of a garage on the corner of Hubert Street at the southern rim of the TriBeCa North Historic District, a mélange of expensive condominiums, cobblestone streets, garages, lofts and even some working warehouses.

In keeping with this mix, the new building is meant to serve as a kind of oversize home office for the principals of Samuel A. Ramirez and Company, a privately owned downtown financial firm that describes itself as the 10th largest municipal bond underwriter and one of the oldest and largest Hispanic-owned investment banks in the United States.

Under the plan, four floors of the 50-by-80-foot building will serve as corporate headquarters of the firm, with offices for its 75 employees based in New York. But the top two floors, with views of the Hudson two blocks away, will be the home of its president and founder, Samuel A. Ramirez, and his son, Samuel Jr., an executive vice president.

The two floors immediately below will be divided into four 1,750-square-foot rental apartments, the younger Mr. Ramirez said. They will all share a roof deck. Rents of close to $6,000 a month are projected.

"Some people like to have an hour to read the paper on the commute to work; that is not us," the younger Mr. Ramirez said. "This is not something that everyone does, it is probably not recommended by doctors, but it makes sense for us. We work downtown and we already live downtown."

There will also be commercial space on the ground floor.

The project had to run a gantlet of government approvals, including a review by the city's Landmarks Preservation Commission, which eliminated two additional stories, but which celebrated the final plan by the architect, Morris Adjmi, for providing a design that echoed elements of the traditional TriBeCa warehouse, in modern materials and style. The commission said the building "would enhance the special architectural character" of the district.

"We worked with them and we were quite pleased with the results," said Robert B. Tierney, chairman of the Landmarks Commission. "Its good for TriBeCa. It shows that landmarking can be consistent with economic development.''

The project was also reviewed by the Board of Standards and Appeals, which voted late last month to approve a hardship application from the company, allowing a taller, bulkier building than permitted by the zoning code, including 60 percent more floor space than would otherwise have been allowed.

Neighbors and community leaders who fought for the original historic district designation for the area in the 1980's complained that the building was too big, dwarfing many 19th-century warehouses nearby. They are still considering a court challenge, which could delay the project.

Carole DeSaram, president of the TriBeCa Community Association, said the project was an example of greed, not hardship, and she feared the project would lead other developers to try to "bust the zoning" in the historic district. "It is more than too high," she said. "The building is the most outrageous example of in-your-face greed."

Mr. Tierney said that the landmarks commission does not rule on zoning and building bulk issues that are reviewed by other agencies. In approving the nine-story building, he said, his agency merely concluded that a building of that height was compatible with nearby buildings.

The design by Mr. Adjmi is full of echoes of the industrial past of TriBeCa, while attempting, he said, to be something entirely new and different as well. The facade has the arched windows common in the older warehouses, but is fabricated from lightly colored solid blocks of precast concrete, rather than the dark masonry common in the area. The top floor is designed to relate to the heavy cornices that set off the top floors in nearby buildings.

Mr. Adjmi, a former partner and disciple of the Italian architect Aldo Rossi, has made something of a specialty of creating new buildings in historic districts. He teamed with Mr. Rossi on the striking Scholastic Inc. building, at 557 Broadway, a new building in the midst of the SoHo-Cast Iron Historic District that was completed in 2001.

According to the younger Mr. Ramirez, the project will cost $17 million to $20 million, with construction beginning as early as this summer and the building completed in about 12 months.

Copyright 2004 The New York Times Company

Ninjahedge
April 16th, 2004, 05:19 PM
It always amazes me that all of these community "leaders" describe ANY development as evil.

Especially if someone gets something that they do not.

Instead of just saying that they disaprove of the bulk of the building and, although they like the design of it, feel it is too ponderous a building to be generally approved.

That would be an opinion. Otherwise it is just another example of the anal NYC community that would rather have a parking garage there because it is more "historic".

Since when is a crappy building "Historic" and worth saving? Classic example would be the Clam Broth House building in Hoboken. The thing was always an eyesore, but since it is an OLD eyesore, it has to be preserved? What?!??!

I respect people wanting to preserve the neighborhood so you don't end up with a 1960's interior tile, glass brick, aluminum stud building right next to a classic 1900 steel building (complete with all the effects), but why are people so AFRAID of change all the time?

ZippyTheChimp
December 10th, 2006, 07:36 AM
Construction underway at 408 Greenwich St.
http://img356.imageshack.us/img356/8650/tribeca48uq2.th.jpg (http://img356.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tribeca48uq2.jpg)

Morris Adjmi Architects (http://www.ma.com/projects/408-greenwich-street/?slide=1&type=multifamily)

http://www.ma.com/projects/images/408-perspective.jpg

http://www.ma.com/projects/images/Details.png

lofter1
December 10th, 2006, 11:33 AM
The foundation for this one is nearly complete.

How it looked last week ...

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/Tribeca/408Greenwich_01a.jpg

infoshare
December 10th, 2006, 12:00 PM
Aeiral view and street map.

The one-story parking structure directly behind this site is a likely candidate for development: probably already in-the-works.

lofter1
December 10th, 2006, 12:40 PM
That ^^^ building is 412-422 Greenwich Street (aka 67-69 Laight Steet).

DOB shows a DISPAPPROVED (http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/JobDetailsServlet?requestid=4&allisn=0001289785&allboroughname=&allnumbhous=&allstrt) application dated 11.30.06, filed by Joseph P. Lombardi, the same architect doing the "twin" projects around the corner at 414 & 415 Washington Street (http://www.wirednewyork.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11717&highlight=washington) :

Job Description:
Separation of two buildings on two lots presently under one Certificate of Occupancy. Filed for issuance of corrected Certificate of Occupancy for each building and lot. No work or change to use is proposed under this application. Buildings originally had seperate Certificate of occupancy.

infoshare
December 10th, 2006, 01:15 PM
That ^^^ building is 412-422 Greenwich Street (aka 67-69 Laight Steet).

DOB shows a DISPAPPROVED (http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/JobDetailsServlet?requestid=4&allisn=0001289785&allboroughname=&allnumbhous=&allstrt) application dated 11.30.06, filed by Joseph P. Lombardi, the same architect doing the "twin" projects around the corner at 414 & 415 Washington Street (http://www.wirednewyork.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11717&highlight=washington) :



This 414-415 bldg is good work: thanks for the news.

lofter1
December 10th, 2006, 01:24 PM
That ^^^ building at 116 Hudson Street (http://www.wirednewyork.com/forum/showpost.php?p=57627&postcount=6)

infoshare
December 10th, 2006, 01:27 PM
I made the edit:eek: Like that design too...... thanka a mil. Ablarc likes it too......
http://www.wirednewyork.com/forum/showpost.php?p=134386&postcount=15

lofter1
December 10th, 2006, 03:08 PM
I agree -- the Hudson Street project a good one.

In fact almost all of the projects in the North Tribeca area are good (except for that weird one at 88 Laight (http://www.wirednewyork.com/forum/showpost.php?p=123415&postcount=35) ).

Hopefully the new Parker (http://www.wirednewyork.com/forum/showpost.php?p=117157&postcount=47) developments along West Street will rise to the occasion with some good design.

londonlawyer
December 10th, 2006, 03:15 PM
This building is awesome. It reminds me of the 414/415 Washington Street duo!

ZippyTheChimp
January 28th, 2007, 11:03 PM
.http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/5153/408greenwich01cxz7.th.jpg (http://img264.imageshack.us/my.php?image=408greenwich01cxz7.jpg)

ZippyTheChimp
March 4th, 2007, 09:10 PM
http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/5453/408greenwich02col4.th.jpg (http://img241.imageshack.us/my.php?image=408greenwich02col4.jpg)

lofter1
March 4th, 2007, 10:57 PM
Zip, we're on each others trail ... one day no doubt we'll back into each other while framing a shot ;)

From Saturday 3.3.07:

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lofter1
May 20th, 2007, 06:21 PM
Facade was going up at 408 Greenwich this weekend ... truckloads of large pre-cast concrete panels (constructed to have the look / form of cast iron) were keeping the crew busy (some of them, anyway):

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/Tribeca/408Greenwich_06a.jpg

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/Tribeca/408Greenwich_06b.jpg

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/Tribeca/408Greenwich_06c.jpg

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/Tribeca/408Greenwich_06d.jpg

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/Tribeca/408Greenwich_06e.jpg

antinimby
May 20th, 2007, 06:50 PM
What a wonderful project, replacing what was an eyesore garage. I can't believe the community was opposed to this at one time.

Now we just need the other garage behind this building to get redeveloped and this whole block would be upgraded.

pianoman11686
June 6th, 2007, 10:48 AM
408 Greenwich Street Puts on a Big Brown Face

Wednesday, June 6, 2007, by ROK88

http://www.curbed.com/2007_06_408Greenwich1.JPG

About one year ago the little old brick building on the NW corner of Greenwich and Hubert Streets in Tribeca started coming down. In its place has risen the steel frame for a new and controversial 9-story mixed-use building designed by architect Morris Adjmi. Over the past couple of weekends crews have been craning up some big brown masonry panels and bolting them onto that framework. But what to call it? Ersatz historicalism? Faux contextualism? Or just a damned fine building? No matter. Too many questions.

http://www.curbed.com/2007_06_408Greenwich2.JPG

The pre-cast concrete panels that have gone up over that framework show some of the same over-sized elements as can be seen on the ever-so-playful facade of cast iron influences of the Scholastic Building at 557 Broadway. Adjmi worked on that one with the late and great Italian architect Aldo Rossi. This one is more sedate. And a fitting neighbor for De Niro and his manholes down the block.


http://www.curbed.com/2007_06_408Greenwich9.JPG
[The Scholastic Building in SoHo: Broadway facade detail (left); Mercer Street facade]

http://www.curbed.com/2007_06_408Greenwich6.JPG
[An early rendering of the 408 Greenwich building from the Adjmi design office]

http://www.curbed.com/2007_06_408Greenwich5.JPG
[How 408 will appear when looking north on Greenwich Street]

http://www.curbed.com/2007_06_408Greenwich7.JPG
[Details: Street level along Hubert Street (left) and the upper floors]

http://www.curbed.com/2007_06_408Greenwich8.JPG
[Adjmi projects at 40 Gansevoort (left) and at 450 W. 14th]

Curbed (http://www.curbed.com/archives/2007/06/06/408_greenwich_street_puts_on_a_big_brown_face.php# more)

ZippyTheChimp
August 2nd, 2007, 12:10 AM
http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/1058/408greenwich03ckj7.th.jpg (http://img522.imageshack.us/my.php?image=408greenwich03ckj7.jpg)

ablarc
August 2nd, 2007, 07:14 PM
^ If the design of New York's average new buildings rose to this quality level, the city would be in good hands. Adjmi is even better than Scarano.

Makes me wish for minimum aesthetic review of all projects. The board could consist of artists, architects and informed enthusiasts, and the mandate could be merely to assure minimum standards. Not too many of Kaufman's buildings would get through --or even most of Kondylis', for that matter.

ZippyTheChimp
August 18th, 2007, 09:00 PM
http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/9671/408greenwich04cet4.th.jpg (http://img165.imageshack.us/my.php?image=408greenwich04cet4.jpg)

lofter1
August 29th, 2007, 10:52 AM
From Monday ...

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/Tribeca/408Greenwich_093.jpg

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/Tribeca/408Greenwich_097.jpg

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/Tribeca/408Greenwich_098.jpg

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/Tribeca/408Greenwich_099.jpg

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/Tribeca/408Greenwich_092.jpg

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/Tribeca/408Greenwich_0910.jpg

antinimby
August 29th, 2007, 05:49 PM
Construction workers in shorts! Now that's a first.

infoshare
August 29th, 2007, 06:49 PM
Construction workers in shorts! Now that's a first.
Nice shorts too, looks like linen: and white. Everything about this project is 'top flight' - even the clothing worn by the construction workers. :D

Any way, are those terracotta blocks that they are putting in place: at first (I have not seen in in person) from what I have seen here on Wiredny so far, I thought the building the facade was made of cast-iron. Great pictures, anyone can see that there is a high level of quality, in both materials and workmanship, going into this project.

ZippyTheChimp
August 29th, 2007, 07:18 PM
They look like precast concrete.

infoshare
August 29th, 2007, 07:49 PM
They look like precast concrete.

Thanks, that sounds a lot more likely than terracotta blocks: precast concrete being a much more common (and cost effective) building material. I hope they intend to keep the "terracotta color" it blends in nicely with the other buildings in the area.

lofter1
August 29th, 2007, 10:56 PM
The large facade sections are also pre-cast concrete (or similar material).

Inspiration for this one seems to have come (in part) from the Roosevelt Building / 841 Broadway (http://wirednewyork.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14985) ...

hey19932
August 30th, 2007, 02:33 AM
This building fits in very well with the surrounding area :)

ZippyTheChimp
May 31st, 2008, 11:05 PM
http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/4479/408greenwich05cqi0.th.jpg (http://img48.imageshack.us/my.php?image=408greenwich05cqi0.jpg)

MidtownGuy
May 31st, 2008, 11:13 PM
I really like this.