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BrooklynRider
October 20th, 2007, 11:05 AM
More short, fat towers for the waterfront. Why set height limits? Let the developer build the square footage how he wants, please.

Short, fat towers allow for more development behind these building. Towers on the watefront kill good development of the area. Just an opinion.

investordude
October 27th, 2007, 04:36 AM
Whatever happened to the plans for the city to inject money to get an agency into an office on the site of the current Queens parking garage at 28-10 bridge plaza. The last buzz was the city was awaiting to seal the deal to do this.
here's krulltime's 5/17 find again for memory refresh:

New Tower May Come, With Some City Funds


http://images.zwire.com/local/Z/Zwire2731/zwire/images/28131_H5.jpg
The Queens Plaza garage will likely be
razed to make way for an office tower,
with a city agency as its anchor tenant.


by Jennifer Manley
05/17/2007

The long-awaited renovation of Queens Plaza’s white elephant may get a $30 kick start from the city. The drab concrete Queens Plaza Municipal Parking Garage takes up an entire block at 28-10 Bridge Plaza, but is expected to be razed to make way for an office tower.

Tishman Speyer, the real estate giant that owns Rockefeller Center and more locally, the contaminated vacant site across Jackson Avenue from the garage, intends to redevelop the city-owned site but was reportedly having trouble attracting investors. Now the city’s Economic Development Corp. confirms it intends to spend the $30 million on outfitting office space it will then give to an as-yet unnamed city agency, which will be the anchor tenant.

There is no time frame on when the deal could be sealed, but EDC spokeswoman Janel Patterson said “we want to get this done as soon as possible.”

Lisa Deller, chairwoman of Community Board 2’s Land Use Committee, said everyone is looking forward to seeing the transformation of Queens Plaza, but there are concerns that the city’s spending priorities could be “somewhat misplaced.”


Copyright © 1995 - 2007 Townnews.com

investordude
October 31st, 2007, 08:42 PM
http://www.nydailynews.com/boroughs/queens/2007/10/31/2007-10-31_neighbors_mourn_former_long_island_city_.html

So, whose got the scoop on what's replacing the building. Is it a Kaufman/McSam, or is it going to be a good hotel? (I'm guessing its the former, but maybe someone can raise my expectations?)

I still want to know when the city funds kick in to demolish this parking lot POS across the way.

investordude
November 1st, 2007, 07:14 PM
http://curbed.com/archives/2007/11/01/long_island_city_hotel_luxury_or_let_down.php

ramvid01
November 1st, 2007, 11:34 PM
^^ That is actually another hotel proposal just south from Queens Plaza and almost diagonal from Citibank Tower.

jrosa51894
November 17th, 2007, 08:15 PM
Anybody have any info on the old Long island city bank site or the new purves st demolition going on across the street from the two new towers. it looks like arris has some serious company. also the new japanese bank going up across from citi anybody heard when the demo starts?

ramvid01
November 27th, 2007, 02:42 AM
^^ I have not heard anything new happening in LIC in a while as I have been out of the loop the last few months but it is good to hear that there are some new projects in the pipeline.

What I am wondering about is whether anything is happening over at River East (which seems to have been stalled completely) and whether rockrose will ever decide to unvail the design for the rest of their Queens West plot. I am pretty sure that the condo has topped out and is the last of the rendered buildings so thus it would be expected that they release plans for the next building at least.

kyle
November 27th, 2007, 12:36 PM
The River East plot is still being worked on...looks like there was a lot more to 'fix' with the land clean-up than previously thought.

Rockrose condo is indeed topped off and the latest rumor is that Rockrose wants to build their next 4 towers all at once. The streets are coming along nicely there and they've been working on the street lights/curbs, sewers, etc. for awhile now.

investordude
November 27th, 2007, 12:53 PM
With today's credit crunch its hard to see how Rockrose will be able to build the other 4 towers simultaneously. They are also doing a lot of building in Hudson Yards. Seems like there strategy depends on edge neighborhoods and that it would therefore be hard to get financing for such a large endeavor. Maybe I'm wrong if they don't need financing.

BrooklynRider
November 27th, 2007, 02:23 PM
If they bought the land cheap, it could still be a profitable venture. They simply turn it into rentals.

ramvid01
November 27th, 2007, 02:36 PM
^^ Well aside from their third building, all of the other 6 buildings were meant to be rentals. My worry is that they could feel that the market for high end rental is cooling and may hold back on finishing the rest of the site, although I would not mind if another developer came in and developed the rest of the site giving it a less homogenous feel to the area.

BrooklynLove
November 27th, 2007, 06:20 PM
doesn't rockrose still need to do soil cleanup on the undeveloped parcels? if so, that could get pricey.

antinimby
November 28th, 2007, 02:01 AM
although I would not mind if another developer came in and developed the rest of the site giving it a less homogenous feel to the area.Exactly, that's always been my claim that New York does not do well when they have a large parcel of land to work with. This city does better when they have only a small confined lot to work with.

ablarc
November 28th, 2007, 06:55 AM
New York does not do well when they have a large parcel of land to work with. This city does better when they have only a small confined lot to work with.
That's the truth (look at the new MOMA proposal vs. the creations of Robert Moses or the new proposals for Hudson Yards), but it's generally true of most places, not just New York. Development is best done in small increments.

There are perhaps exceptions like Rockefeller Center or Lincoln Center, but they're exceptions that prove the rule.

investordude
November 30th, 2007, 01:29 PM
I don't think Lincoln Center is a good example or development. It isolates areas to the west. Rockefeller center was decent, but that was in the golden age before NIMBYs made good development based on a private peson with vision impossible.

investordude
December 5th, 2007, 09:24 AM
http://www.therealdeal.net/issues/December_2007/1196822270.php

I'm skeptical there is so much demand for $350 a night rooms in LIC, but its great news if they can pull this off. But we still need to tear down that parking garage and build a tall tower to complete western LIC inner core potential.

jrosa51894
December 14th, 2007, 08:52 AM
I was told that the construction on the corner site of crecent and 43rd ave begins in jan they are supposed to close the parking lot on the corner dec 31. This is the rockrose site directly behind the united nations credit corp building. They said 30 stories but i dont know if that could be true. well hey its a rockrose site

tmg
December 14th, 2007, 12:49 PM
If this is the site immediately adjoining the UN Credit Union bldg, hopefully it will be tall enough to completely cover the ugly blank wall there.

ramvid01
December 14th, 2007, 01:27 PM
Does this include that beautiful little red brick building on the corner? Or is it just the parking lot, and if it is the whole site, boy is that a huge base. I hope it'll have some retail, that area sure needs it.

jrosa51894
December 14th, 2007, 04:00 PM
I heard 30 stories so it will cover the wall and yes i heard the red building goes also .There supposedly is only one old guy left and he is about 81-82 years old

jrosa51894
December 21st, 2007, 05:46 PM
photograpers get ready for the two new sites i opened my window and what do i see but new construction surrounding the old engine factory garage on the corner of 43rd ave and and hunter st. i hera its going to be 15 stories residential. also the gutting of the building across from fusion has begun

alexhi
December 24th, 2007, 10:14 AM
:confused:
Wow.
You're not kidding. I like their style.
Karl Fischer Architects, remember the name - it's quality architecture.
This is what this city needs more of:

Queen's Plaza (God, I hope this happens and soon)
http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/8399/queensplaza8bt.jpghttp://img145.imageshack.us/img145/5269/queensplaza18jr.jpghttp://img63.imageshack.us/img63/48/queensplaza27fe.jpg

lofter1
December 24th, 2007, 10:19 AM
What ^ ?

Are they opening a casino in LIC :confused:

Queensboro
December 26th, 2007, 12:42 PM
What ^ ?

Are they opening a casino in LIC :confused:

Yea get ready for Ocean's Fourteen!

Alonzo-ny
December 26th, 2007, 05:00 PM
Equally crap to so many other buildings, i dont know how someone can like this but hate so much other almost identical buildings.

BrooklynLove
December 26th, 2007, 10:48 PM
well, hopefully we can all agree that the queens plaza parking garage is ass. and as development continues to progress in the immediate area, the garage's days look to be fewer and fewer in number. there may end up being a parade when that concrete mass eventually meets the reckoning ball of wrecking.

peace to all my LIC peoples.

NoyokA
December 27th, 2007, 09:44 AM
What ^ ?

Are they opening a casino in LIC :confused:

It reminds me of the hideous San Francisco Marriott

http://www.gpostphoto.com/marriott.jpg

Queensboro
December 27th, 2007, 03:13 PM
Right now anything coming up in or around QP, makes it look light years better!

jrosa51894
December 28th, 2007, 08:08 AM
Well all i can say is that there are four major projects underway in the lic core includng a 42 story building with 702 apartments! at the corner of 43rd ave and crescent street. look up the permits on the DOB website under the 12/06/07 permit get ready for the 2nd mega builging.

kyle
December 28th, 2007, 12:00 PM
Here's an article about the Queens Plaza development from the Queens Ledger.

http://www.timesledger.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=19149216&BRD=2676&PAG=461&dept_id=542415&rfi=6%20%E2%80%A8

jrosa51894
December 30th, 2007, 11:18 AM
All i will say is watch the LIC Core explode with development growth in 2008 unlike we have ever seen. Just like Moma gave the core a lift. The united nations temp homes will take this area to a level you cannot image. Fasten your seatbelts

BrooklynLove
December 30th, 2007, 04:19 PM
i think that it's a bit unrealistic to expect explosive development growth during 2008 pretty much anywhere in the US.

BrooklynRider
December 31st, 2007, 12:08 PM
Actually, the city is still a good investment. It is bucking national trends, especially in Manahattan and Brooklyn. I'm not sure of the statistics for northwest Queens, but I would think that it correlates somewhat with Brooklyn numbers.

BrooklynLove
December 31st, 2007, 01:02 PM
i don't disagree, but explosive development growth is somewhat over top given the current state of tight private money.

INTENSS
December 31st, 2007, 08:35 PM
All i will say is watch the LIC Core explode with development growth in 2008 unlike we have ever seen. Just like Moma gave the core a lift. The united nations temp homes will take this area to a level you cannot image. Fasten your seatbelts

Long time reader, first time poster...

Where is the UN moving to in the area?


-Rich

jrosa51894
January 1st, 2008, 11:25 AM
From my info they un signed a 5 year lease for i beleive 8-10 floors in the united nations credit corp building on 43rd ave and the lot on 43rd av next to that building is the site for a 42 story building. Oh by the way brookyln love i have been in this area for a long time Rockrose and other international companies are making major moves here in LIC for whatever the reason the pace of new purchases and construction is on fire. Thats explosive Dont hate on lic my friend.

BrooklynLove
January 1st, 2008, 12:11 PM
Oh by the way brookyln love i have been in this area for a long time Rockrose and other international companies are making major moves here in LIC for whatever the reason the pace of new purchases and construction is on fire. Thats explosive Dont hate on lic my friend.

you have the wrong guy, j. i've been following the development of LIC closely for many years now, and when it comes to future outlook, i'm about as bullish on LIC as they get (a property owner as well). "explosive development growth in 2008" would indicate an increased level of development over prior years. given the recent tightening in the credit markets, financing has grown difficult, and it will take much of 2008 to approach normalcy once again. my statement is not so much about LIC as it is about the current state of the credit markets.

jrosa51894
January 1st, 2008, 02:31 PM
you have the wrong guy, j. i've been following the development of LIC closely for many years now, and when it comes to future outlook, i'm about as bullish on LIC as they get (a property owner as well). "explosive development growth in 2008" would indicate an increased level of development over prior years. given the recent tightening in the credit markets, financing has grown difficult, and it will take much of 2008 to approach normalcy once again. my statement is not so much about LIC as it is about the current state of the credit markets.

Oh i got the right guy you have to pay attention my friend. if you have reviewed any of my prior posts you would see that i also am a multifamily owner in the LIC Core 1 block from the citicorp building to which i live, In addition to owning properties in Astoria. Now when i mention development in LIC i am referrring to Qns plaza, LIC Core and the waterfront which is booming at a pace to which 2004-2006 did not compare. I understand what you are refferring to in reference to the overall housing economy. However it really does not apply to these developments due to the fact that these are commercial devlopments as well as the federal and state money coming into the area in the spring to improve its infrastructure and as an owner, not a condo or co-op owner. The LIC Core is starting to grow at an explosive pace look at propertyshark to see the recent purchases in the area the foreign money such as the japanese hotel group that just paid about $200 a buildable foot 1 block from the citigroup building. The water front has about 7 buildings to go which are underway not in the planning phase but underway. Now a few posts ago i mentioned the Lot on 43rd Ave to which a 42 story building for 702 units is to be erected the parking garage is closed in 2 weeks then construction starts you see i live in the middle of a massive construction site and i am a very nosey owner. Now lets review most of all the new developments are over 75% sold the majority of people are not even fully moved in yet major construction projects are underway and we have not even talked about silvercup studios and the Hotels planned or the ones in construction now.

BrooklynLove
January 1st, 2008, 03:24 PM
dude, you really need to save the preaching for someone who is an LIC doubter.

my posititon is very simple: your prediction of "explosive development growth in 2008" is unrealistic b/c construction financing is now very difficult to obtain and is likely going to remain so for much of 2008. this applies to resi and commercial development, and development getting and not getting govt incentives. "explosive growth" indicates growth at a rate greater than seen previously, so "explosive growth in 2008" would indicate more growth than in 2007, 2006, etc. citing prior developments or projects already in the pipeline are irrelevant to new development growth in 2008.

only time will tell as to what 2008 has in store. anyway, even if things do slow down for a year or two or three in LIC, at this point large scale development of QP seems inevitable. at least we can agree on that.

jrosa51894
January 1st, 2008, 04:03 PM
dude, you really need to save the preaching for someone who is an LIC doubter.

my posititon is very simple: your prediction of "explosive development growth in 2008" is unrealistic b/c construction financing is now very difficult to obtain and is likely going to remain so for much of 2008. this applies to resi and commercial development, and development getting and not getting govt incentives. "explosive growth" indicates growth at a rate greater than seen previously, so "explosive growth in 2008" would indicate more growth than in 2007, 2006, etc. citing prior developments or projects already in the pipeline are irrelevant to new development growth in 2008.

only time will tell as to what 2008 has in store. anyway, even if things do slow down for a year or two or three in LIC, at this point large scale development of QP seems inevitable. at least we can agree on that.


Save the Preaching, Stop i dont think so dude. Just the facts .You wanted a discussion you got one. No hard feelings. Nothing hostile But The foundation of your argument relies on the credit crunch thats it. To which i understand your point i just disagree. However compared to brooklyn LIC is underpriced. I continually review the transactions going on in the area daily. The foreign corporationss knocking on our doors looking to purchase our properties the new devlopments in play and the future developments with no obstructions. LIC is a blank canvas and is getting more and more foreign and us investors everyday. we agree that we will not find out if my statement is correct until the end of 2008. However the growth will clearly outpace 2004-07. Also there is a major point to make here. think about this all this construction. all the new residential buildings, comercial buildings being erected and the majority of people are not even transplated yet. When they get here the second wave will come hard.The additions of the UN transplants and Silvercup studios will eclipse the development of the LIC Waterfront in growth. (Nothing against the waterfront i love it!) we have not even talked about the mayors middle income housing proposal. The credit crunch caused a bump in the residential housing market and i feel that it hurt manhattan, but not LIC. Every tower going up just makes other investors swarm in on the explosive growth going on in LIC which i feel will outpace the prior years.

INTENSS
January 1st, 2008, 10:53 PM
From my info they un signed a 5 year lease for i beleive 8-10 floors in the united nations credit corp building on 43rd ave and the lot on 43rd av next to that building is the site for a 42 story building.

Is that the empty lot adjacent to Court Square II with the red apartment building? Who is building this 42 story bldg...and is it residential? Any pictures released of this yet?

Also, any info yet on when Court Square II's second phase may begin?

I went back to NY in November (moved from Astoria a few years ago) and was amazed at the development in LIC since I was there last (May). Queens Plaza North is going crazy, can't wait to see Plaza South catch up.

Rich

BrooklynLove
January 11th, 2008, 10:09 PM
re discussion that struck up in the downtown bk thread.

this is the most recent rendering i've seen of the powerhouse - http://www.mehandeseng.com/projects.asp?proid=20

kyle
January 12th, 2008, 12:59 PM
Me too. That's what I was referring to, but I didn't want to hijack or derail the BK thread anymore than I did.

Additionally, there was an article recently, within the last few months, that said the developer wishes the tower got approved, but realized it wasn't going to get approval, so they went ahead with the plans BrooklynLove linked to.

BrooklynLove
January 13th, 2008, 10:12 AM
project is looking stunning, by the way.

Dynamicdezzy
January 13th, 2008, 02:22 PM
I would call it explosive development if they were to put a deck over sunnyside yards...

BrooklynLove
January 13th, 2008, 04:06 PM
i seem to recall that concept getting floated at some point during 2007. anyway, i don't see anything like that happening before 2050.

ASchwarz
January 13th, 2008, 05:00 PM
Sunnyside Yards will happen over the next few years. It's part of the city's large-scale development program, along with Hudson Yards, Atantic Yards, etc.

EDC and HPD have had working groups on Sunnyside Yards for quite some time. I think you will see some publicity and movement by the end of the year, or early 2009.

I don't know when construction itself would actually begin, nor do I know if it would be sold off piecmeal or in one big chunk.

Keep in mind that Sunnyside Yards is much bigger than Hudson Yards. This will be a huge project; likely the largest in the city.

BrooklynLove
January 13th, 2008, 06:02 PM
you're saying that the city has actual plans to put a deck over sunnyside yards? where did you get that?

ASchwarz
January 13th, 2008, 06:17 PM
I used to work for the city. The city has publicly stated its plans to deck over the yards and it is moving forward right now. I don't know the timetable.

There are also tenative plans for the Bedford Park yards (Bronx), Coney Island yards (Brooklyn), and Greenwood Cemetary yards (Brooklyn).

All these plans will involve high density housing with an affordable housing component. The Sunnyside Yards plan will also include commercial space, and will tie into the new Sunnyside LIRR/Amtrak station.

BrooklynLove
January 13th, 2008, 06:46 PM
no official statement then. it thought so. i stand by my 2050 statement.

kyle
January 13th, 2008, 10:29 PM
There's been some official Sunnyside Yard statements...within the last few years, at least.

But I figure a 3050 completion date. :)

I tell you this though...it's something I hope to live to see. Could be incredible! Especially if you take a stroll over there now and look at what's currently there and what *could be* there in the future.

Take some pictures and archive them, they'll be worth something to our grandkids. :)

BrooklynLove
January 13th, 2008, 10:37 PM
kyle, my man. discussion by officials and an official statement are entirely different animals.

kyle
January 13th, 2008, 11:08 PM
True. But define each and I'll say what I've read/heard and what you've read/heard.

BrooklynLove
January 14th, 2008, 08:12 AM
just use this as a central point and have at it

http://www.plannyc.org/project-84-Sunnyside-Yards-Platform

jrosa51894
February 10th, 2008, 04:06 PM
GREETINGS FRIENDS

Just got word on the delay on the 43rd ave building on the corner of cresent and 43rd ave to be erected with the 702 units between 38-42 stories. the garage across the street hit a snag they found an old oil tank dep is giving them headaches on that anf they have to dig about 30 feet to get this resolved first then they are stating April/ may the latest

jrosa51894
February 10th, 2008, 04:10 PM
There was also a post by the LICBDC
which stated
" Rockrose reports that the first two residential rental towers of its East Coast project are completed and almost entirely leased. The waterfront condominium tower has topped out and units will soon be hitting the market. On the retail front, Blue Streak Wines has opened its doors in Building One and Shi, an Asian fusion restaurant, is set to open early this summer. Amish Market and Duane Reade are set to start construction now in Tower Two. There may be a coffee bar as well. The parking garage opened for business on the first of the year.

In Court Square, the construction of a 42-story Rockrose residential tower will begin in early February. There will be 710 apartments and a sizeable retail component with an estimated completion in the spring of 2010. A second project in Court Square, an 800,000 s.f. office building, will begin marketing by March 2008. Jones Lang LaSalle will be handling the marketing. SOM is the architect.

antinimby
February 10th, 2008, 04:39 PM
I'm afraid the 42 story residential CS building will not be pretty. The DOB permits indicates that the architect is Avinash K. Malhotra, who was responsible for that 2 Gold St. monstrosity in Lower Manhattan.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/172/399523302_36165ed81d_o.jpg

sfenn1117
February 10th, 2008, 05:02 PM
^Also a rockrose commissioned project. :mad:

ramvid01
February 10th, 2008, 05:34 PM
Well I guess we will have to wait and see on the render. Although my hopes are not really very high, I was hoping they would use arquitectonica like they did on the waterfront.

BrooklynLove
February 10th, 2008, 06:03 PM
nice.

jrosa51894
February 10th, 2008, 08:04 PM
i also hear that the autoparts store on jackson ave near c/o purves st is going to be torn down in may and an 14-18 story building is going up

In addition to the taxi depot on 43rd ave and 24st is in seroius negotiations of a buyer

jrosa51894
February 10th, 2008, 08:05 PM
I tell you i open my window and i cant recognize the area anymore hahahah
Hey does anyone have pics of the new building about to go up across from fusion?

antinimby
February 16th, 2008, 06:02 PM
Don't remember if this has been posted here already, but here's a new rendering from DeArch, LLC (http://www.dearchny.com/) but as usual from them, there's little else in the way of information...


http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/4526/queensplazaqf1.jpg

jrosa51894
February 16th, 2008, 07:02 PM
is that a rendering of the new building on 43rd ave and cresent st or another building

antinimby
February 16th, 2008, 10:51 PM
Your guess is as good as mine. I count somewhere around 23-24 floors so if there's any proposal out there fitting that description, this could be it.

Either way, I guess we'll have to wait and see.

jrosa51894
February 18th, 2008, 08:16 AM
I looked at the site apparently this is a pic of one of the new buildings on queens plaza looks good

BrooklynLove
February 18th, 2008, 07:53 PM
very nice.

antinimby
February 19th, 2008, 06:58 PM
So 50 or so people who don't know a thing about planning for a city are going to decide what's best for the entire neighborhood?

Of course City Planning, the weak, spineless agency that it is, will yield to their shortsighted and self-serving demands while hurting the natural and economic growth of the area.



Rezoning delay in Dutch Kills draws ire


http://www.nydailynews.com/img/2008/02/19/amd_hotel.jpg
The 13-story Holiday Inn Long Island City
on 39th Ave. and 29th St.


BY JOHN LAUINGER
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER
Tuesday, February 19th 2008 (http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/queens/2008/02/19/2008-02-19_rezoning_delay_in_dutch_kills_draws_ire.html), 4:00 AM

Dutch Kills residents showed city planners no love on Valentine's Day.
A civic meeting on the most romantic night of the year turned into a heated shouting match as furious Dutch Kills denizens blasted city planners for dragging their feet on a proposed rezoning of the area.

"This is an outrage," said Rosanne Polito, 42, a teacher who has lived in the neighborhood her entire life. "This is all we think about. It's not that we have nothing better to do, but this affects our lives every day."

The more than 50 residents who packed the Dutch Kills Civic Association meeting — many holding heart-shaped signs that read: "Don't Kill Dutch Kills" — accused the city Planning Department of needlessly delaying the rezoning by performing a painstaking environmental review.

The additional time required to compile the environmental impact statement — which began late last year and has yet to be completed — has allowed at least 11 high-rise hotels to begin as-of-right construction ahead of the planned rezoning. Under the proposed changes, massive hotels would be banned in most parts of the neighborhood.

"It's like fiddling while Rome burns," said Megan Friedman, a Dutch Kills resident for the last 27 years. "They're allowing all the hotels to come in and destroy the neighborhood they are trying to save."

The current zoning for the area prohibits residential construction in most cases. The proposed rezone, on which planners began working in May 2005, would increase residential density while limiting the scope of light industrial and commercial uses.

Queens Planning Commissioner John Young said an initial environmental assessment of the project showed that a more thorough environmental impact study was necessary to gauge how anticipated population growth would affect the area.

But Councilman Tony Avella, who is running for mayor and currently chairs the City Council's zoning committee, said further study was "ridiculous."

"It just delayed the process another year," Avella (D-Bayside) said at the meeting. "They could've saved money and gotten this done already — every day that goes by, you are going to have another hotel, another development."

Dominick Fortino, who owns a laundry distribution business in the neighborhood and opposes the rezoning, said developers wouldn't be making a mad dash to build hotels in advance of the rezoning if planners had simply increased density in the residential areas.

"City planners created this problem by downzoning the commercial side," he said.

Several residents called for a moratorium on hotel construction while the rezoning is under consideration, but Young said the city can't "arbitrarily" deny people their property rights.

Young said the rezoning plans should be certified in May, a step that triggers a public review process that can take up to seven months. But rezoning will likely not arrive in time to help Vienna Schettino, 48. The basement of her two-story home on 27th St. floods with mud because of construction of a nine-story hotel next door.

"It's like an avalanche," she said of the muck. "Where's the consideration for the people who live here?"

© Copyright 2007 NYDailyNews.com

virtualchoirboy
February 22nd, 2008, 03:39 PM
Coming into work this morning i noticed that the police cars are no longer parked at One Queens Plaza. But i cannot seem to find anything on the development there. I remember they mentioned it briefly in an article about the possible development...but i have not heard anything since.

Any news?

ablarc
February 23rd, 2008, 09:40 AM
So 50 or so people who don't know a thing about planning for a city are going to decide what's best for the entire neighborhood?

Of course City Planning, the weak, spineless agency that it is, will yield to their shortsighted and self-serving demands while hurting the natural and economic growth of the area.
Hasn't yielded yet.

You may be wrong about this one, antinimby. Fifty is all that would fit in the room for starters, and there must be a motive here besides the scholarly study of environmental impact:


residents who packed the Dutch Kills Civic Association meeting ... accused the city Planning Department of needlessly delaying the rezoning by performing a painstaking environmental review.
If eleven hotels got started while the planners were "reviewing", there's something more going on here than scholarly study. Don't you smell the money, greed and power?

antinimby
February 24th, 2008, 12:51 AM
Hasn't yielded yet.A rezoning here is as certain as the sun rising tomorrow. I can't remember an instance where the community has asked for one and not gotten it in some shape or form.


You may be wrong about this one, antinimby. Fifty is all that would fit in the room for starters, and there must be a motive here besides the scholarly study of environmental impact:I don't think so, ablarc. I've followed enough of these rezonings to know how this one will turn out also.

The last community board meeting I went to had hundreds of people and was standing room only. They don't turn away people if they run out of room. Common sense dictates that if it was such a hot issue and too many people showed up, they'd just move to or reschedule to meet in a larger space.

I believe that a major rezoning, by law, has to have an EIS. It's funny that these people are complaining about the very thing (environmental review) that they've (in other parts of the city) have used as delaying and obstructing tactics against projects. Now when it's time to use one when it's really necessary, they're criticizing it. A motive indeed.


If eleven hotels got started while the planners were "reviewing", there's something more going on here than scholarly study. Don't you smell the money, greed and power?ablarc, LIC has only started to take off recently. While in the past five years, new development were sprouting all over Manhattan, Brooklyn and Jersey City, LIC was lagging behind.

It is finally only started to catch up and a place like Dutch Kills, where only a few years ago, weren't as desireable is starting to appear on people's radar. That's the only reason why there's as much going right now.

It all comes down to the same thing over and over again in community after community in this city: people seeing so much new construction going on in their backyards are weary of so much uprooting and change and in their minds, they think they can use zoning as a tool to slow or stifle that change.

Little do they know that it's going to happen anyway. Instead of razing a house and being able to build 12 stories, they'll just raze a house and build 5 stories. The lesser number of units in those 5 stories will just be costlier that's all. So in the end, you have

1) a house is razed anyway,
2) a bunch of stumpy and fatter buildings,
3) higher price per unit.

So what exactly is the benefit of a downzoning then?

antinimby
March 4th, 2008, 09:48 PM
L.I.C. strife over CUNY dorm plans


BY BRENDAN BROSH
DAILY NEWS WRITER
Tuesday, March 4th 2008 (http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/queens/2008/03/04/2008-03-04_lic_strife_over_cuny_dorm_plans.html), 4:00 AM

A developer is looking to build a dormitory and mixed-use building that will bring some 200 CUNY students to Long Island City.

The initial proposal, which called for a 13-story residential building on Fifth St. with 169 apartments, ground-floor retail and 220 grad-student dormitory units, was unanimously rejected by Community Board 2's land use committee in November.

Now the owner, OCA LIC, plans to reintroduce the plan this spring, and has offered space to the Queens Council on the Arts to sweeten the deal, sources told the Queens News.

"We think we weren't as sensitive as we should have been in the past presentation," said Sid Davidoff, a spokesman for OCA. "We're going to spend millions of dollars to clean up the contaminated site. We're adding to the community, not taking away."

But some locals are still unhappy about the proposal, noting the neighborhood shouldn't become a "bedroom community" for transient residents.

"We don't need a dorm here," said Terri Mona Adams of the Hunters Point Community Development Corp. "We need people who want to build a future here."

Some locals said they were also troubled by the magnitude of the project in a neighborhood where condos have already proliferated in recent years.

"There's a dumptruck going down our block every five minutes. The scope and size of the project is out of whack," said William Garrett, a father of three and head of the 47 to 47 Residents Group in Hunters Point.

A CUNY spokesman said the building will house doctoral candidates, some of whom will be living with their families.

"These are not undergraduate or even master's level students," said Michael Arena, a spokesman for CUNY. "They're Ph.D. candidates. They generally spend more than four years living, studying and preparing for their doctoral theses."

Community Board 2 Chairman Joe Conley wrote in November that the initial proposal "does not conform to current zoning and will do nothing to enhance the community."

The development takes advantage of a loophole that allows them to skirt zoning restrictions as long as the building has a "community use."

Councilman Tony Avella, an outspoken critic of the provision, said he is disturbed with the number of dormitories slated to be built in Queens.

"There are so many loopholes that allow developers to build whatever they want," said Avella. "Everywhere you turn around there's another institution that wants to expand at the expense of a community."

Community groups have vowed to fight the project.

"We don't need people coming here and dictating to us," said Adams. "The neighborhood doesn't want it."

A new hearing for the proposal is expected sometime in the spring, according to the city Board of Standards and Appeals.

© Copyright 2007 NYDailyNews.com

NoyokA
March 4th, 2008, 10:33 PM
As a CUNY student this pisses me off. There are very few housing options for CUNY students. CUNY students in general are very drive oriented and very hard workers, they make their way through college and through this world. Nothing is handed to them, unlike many NYU students who have rich out-of-state parents paying for their West-Village dorm and who then take NYU chartered busses to school. Right now the only housing option CUNY offers its students is the Towers, which is a disgrace, $1,100 a month for a room in Harlem when you can get a room in the same area for $500.

antinimby
March 4th, 2008, 11:42 PM
So they don't want dormitories in Manhattan and when someone tries to build it here, they don't want it here either. Maybe nothing and no one should be allowed to do anything, anymore in the city. Just build everything in the suburbs and have everyone commute in by car. I guess that would be smart planning.

This is just across Fifth street from the Queens West towers and one subway stop from Manhattan. This is as good a place to build much needed housing for college students.

If anything, I think they should be allowed to build even larger and denser here just for the fact that it would lessen their need for future expansions elsewhere. It's obvious that this Avella guy, who is just a spineless official and often serves as the NIMBY's mouthpiece, has opposed the size of almost all college dormatory projects in Queens, has no clue the result of what he is calling for.

When you reduce the size of a dormitory, then they would have to build more elsewhere to meet to satisfy the need. Wouldn't that run counter to all his rhetoric that there are too much dormitory development everywhere?

Outside of buddhist monks, I don't think there are more model citizens on the planet than PhD students. These are our future doctors, astronauts, scientist, chemists, executives, etc. I would say they make better community residents than many of these community whiners there now.

As for the Daily News trying to paint this project as somehow being sketchy with words such as "loopholes" and "skirt," they should realize this is perfectly legitmate and allowable within the zoning regulations. The project's owners did not write the law, they are just following it.


From curbed (http://curbed.com/archives/2008/03/04/queens_west_5sl_could_get_new_student_friends_in_l ic.php#more):

http://curbed.com/uploads/2008_03_CUNY%20Dorm%20Site.jpg

http://curbed.com/uploads/2008_03_CUNY%20Site%20Two.jpg

BrooklynLove
March 6th, 2008, 12:43 PM
there is a large pre citylights era presence on this community board, which generally results in resistance of this nature in this area. i'm not making a judgment as to the sensibility of the resistance, just pointing out the specific climate in this area.

BrooklynRider
March 22nd, 2008, 06:20 PM
From the United Nations garden...

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/BrooklynRiderRob/1323.jpg

kyle
March 22nd, 2008, 06:29 PM
Wow, amazing, thanks BrooklynRider!!!

I've been meaning to take a similar shot for awhile now, but have never got around to it, so this is much appreciated.

BrooklynLove
March 22nd, 2008, 08:52 PM
i think my fav of the lot is rockrose #1

antinimby
March 27th, 2008, 01:15 PM
LIC-relevant excerpt from a NY Sun article talking about the need for housing for the City's medical and educational institutions (click on link for the entire article) :


Shortage of Housing Threatens City Institutions

By Michael Stoler
March 27, 2008 (http://www2.nysun.com/article/73748)

...At least two dormitory developments are in the planning stages in Long Island City, Queens. The City University of New York is seeking the approval of Community Board 2 for a development that includes a 13-story residential development and a six-story dormitory. The proposed development is at 5–11 47th St., across from the Queens West development, in Hunters Point.

The dormitory would house about 220 CUNY Graduate School students, as well as 12 faculty townhouses and an apartment tower, with 169 units and ground floor retail. The residential tower would be owned by O'Connor Capital and the dormitory by CUNY.

A few miles away, developer Edward Minskoff has announced plans for an 18-story project that would contain 650,000 square feet of class A office space, or a 1,600-room college dormitory with classrooms and administrative offices. The development is on Northern Boulevard in Queens, a few blocks from Queens Plaza North and a block from the 39th Avenue N and W subway station. Construction will commence by the end of fall 2009...

© 2007 The New York Sun

antinimby
March 27th, 2008, 01:19 PM
Anyone know where exactly will that ^ Minskoff project be at?

kyle
March 27th, 2008, 01:55 PM
Anyone know where exactly will that ^ Minskoff project be at?

It's an old factory now...I think it's somewhere in this thread, in fact, but I can't search for it right now. I'm thinking between 40th Road and 39th Avenue on Northern Blvd. or thereabouts.

antinimby
March 27th, 2008, 02:00 PM
I found out (http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m3601/is_41_48/ai_87150077) which site it is: 30-30 Northern Blvd.

This proposal has been around for a long, long time so I guess Minskoff in all that time couldn't find a tenant (until now I suppose).

BrooklynRider
March 28th, 2008, 11:36 PM
LIC is growing like Jersey City.

antinimby
April 3rd, 2008, 03:17 PM
Developers' CUNY housing plan in Long Island City faces hurdle


BY BRENDAN BROSH
DAILY NEWS WRITER
Thursday, April 3rd 2008 (http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/queens/2008/04/03/2008-04-03_developers_cuny_housing_plan_in_long_isl.html), 4:00 AM

The contentious CUNY dorm planned for Long Island City is expected to face a major hurdle Thursday night, when developers once again seek approval from the local community board.

The owner of the property, OCA LIC, is seeking a variance to build a 13-story mixed-use building at Fifth St. and 47th Ave. that would include 169 apartments, 220 grad-student dormitory units and 12 units for faculty housing.

Current zoning rules allow for a seven-story structure, but the developer is seeking to use an exemption for buildings that have a "community use."

"They want to double the size of what can be built here," said William Garrett of the 47 to 47 Residents Group in Hunters Point. "We want new housing with committed residents - people who own or rent for a long time invested in the community."

The developers initially planned to have ground-floor retail in the building. That proposal was unanimously rejected by Community Board 2's land use committee in November.

The committee noted the proposal "does not conform to current zoning and will do nothing to enhance the community."

OCA spokesmen Sid Davidoff said the company will present a modified plan tonight.

"I don't think we ever really explained it well," he said. "We're much more sensitive about what [Long Island City] is and what it hopes to be in the future."

OCA is now offering nearly 6,000 square feet to the Queens Council on the Arts - something the developers hope will prove their commitment to the area.

"A lot of people want to see us in that location," said Hoong Yee Lee Krakauer, executive director of the arts council. "We expect a lot of foot traffic, and artists will come to us."

City University of New York officials have noted the building will house doctoral candidates, and not undergraduates or even master's-level students.

But residents said it will lead to more traffic and tighter parking.

"It's very hard to get a spot now," said Terri Mona Adams of the Hunters Point Community Development Corp.Project officials disputed the building's characterization as a dormitory. "It's a graduate housing center," Davidoff said.

Developers customarily go before a community board when asking for a variance. That decision is forwarded to the city Board of Standards and Appeals, which has the ultimate say-so in granting or denying variances.

The development is scheduled for a standards board hearing on Tuesday.

© Copyright 2008 NYDailyNews.com

antinimby
April 3rd, 2008, 03:21 PM
The developers initially planned to have ground-floor retail in the building. That proposal was unanimously rejected by Community Board 2's land use committee in November.Morons! Retail and mixed use helps reduce traffic because they serve the local residents there and so they don't need to drive somewhere else to get their provisions and services.

Why do these CB people, who wouldn't know good planning even if it hit them in the face, are even allowed to have so much influence on what is otherwise a very good project?

BrooklynLove
April 3rd, 2008, 08:18 PM
AN - this CB fights everything. the best tact to use here is duck season rabbit season rabbit season duck season strategy - ask for the opposite of what you actually want - we want a building with no ground floor retail damn it!

krulltime
April 7th, 2008, 03:04 PM
It sounds like a legitimate proposal being that Mehandes Engineering recently updated their site, but the rendering is the same-just blown up. That thing would be the width of MetLife if it were 700'. Perhaps this design change is the reason construction has been delayed for so long.


Here is the original permit from '05 (http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/JobDetailsServlet?requestid=2&allisn=0001234111&allboroughname=&allnumbhous=&allstrt=), nothing new has been filed since May '06 though.

Tower 56
45-56 Pearson Street
50 stories ~700 feet
Scarano & Associates Architects
Dev-Rosma Development
Residential Condominium
270 units 400,000 Sq. Ft.
Proposed

I attatched the old renderings. The first is from the Daily News article, the second is what Mehandes Engineering had posted on its website before, and the last two are from Scarano's website. This will be their biggest project by far.

So has construction started on this one yet? I wonder if it will be that tall!

ramvid01
April 7th, 2008, 03:20 PM
I think I read on licnyc.com (not sure if this is the exact URL) that the site was being sold with the plans because the developer could not afford to go forward with the project. I'll see if I can find the link to the commentary on this.

jrosa51894
April 8th, 2008, 05:33 PM
well the engine factory site is finally being torn down on the corner of 43rd ave and hunter st. i hear its a 15 story building going up. Also a major project is going up around the corner of that site diagonally across from the second fusion site next month i hEARD 10 STORIES

TREPYE
April 15th, 2008, 12:09 AM
How Torontoesque....


From the United Nations garden...

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/BrooklynRiderRob/1323.jpg

As far as waterfront the developments in DUMBO put this waterfront assembly to shame.

BrooklynLove
April 15th, 2008, 07:39 AM
= newport, jersey city

ramvid01
April 16th, 2008, 10:21 PM
Ugh:

http://www.liqcity.com/linkage/silvercup-studios-putting-the-breaks-on-cuny-stepping-on-the-gas.php

And the Article posted



Interesting article this morning about stalled development projects (http://www.timesledger.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=19472373&BRD=2676&PAG=461&dept_id=551069&rfi=6). The reasons vary - seems hard to just blame everything on the credit crunch, but it’s definitely more of a trend now compared to a few years ago.

Here’s the news about LIC:

…it has also been confirmed that the practice’s 185,000m2 Silvercup Studio complex on the Long Island City Waterfront is on hold. The $1 billion (£500 million) mixed-use development, which won approval in mid-2006, has stalled due to issues over protracted land sales and the delayed removal of power plants from the site.”

Meanwhile CUNY’s going forward with the dorm:

“The development at 5-11 47th Ave. would have 400 total residential units, half of which would be for public rent and the other half will be divided between 188 graduate units and 12 faculty housing units at street level. It would also include a 6,000-square-foot office for the QCA and an open courtyard for art displays.
CB 2 Chairman Joe Conley said the board approved the plan with some stipulations. CUNY, for example, has agreed to never sell the property, he said. Conley said the board also asked for 20 percent of the non-student residential units to be offered as affordable housing, though he was not sure if the developer would agree.”

antinimby
April 17th, 2008, 05:58 PM
I wouldn't say the CUNY college dorm plans are a certainty yet. The article didn't mention whether or not the Board of Standards and Appeals have ruled on it yet. Just said the hearing was held on Tuesday.

kyle
April 18th, 2008, 12:00 PM
I wouldn't say the CUNY college dorm plans are a certainty yet. The article didn't mention whether or not the Board of Standards and Appeals have ruled on it yet. Just said the hearing was held on Tuesday.

No, the Board of Standards haven't ruled on it yet. I forgot when that'll happen, but it hasn't yet.

queenswest
April 21st, 2008, 04:56 PM
From the United Nations garden...

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/BrooklynRiderRob/1323.jpg

Great shot.

I threw a link up to it from the website.

Jake

BrooklynLove
April 21st, 2008, 10:27 PM
jake smells. hi jake. :)

queenswest
April 22nd, 2008, 07:38 AM
jake smells. hi jake. :)

J-Condo is for stinky brooklynites! Hi CSK.

:)

Jake

BrooklynLove
April 22nd, 2008, 07:48 AM
stinkies maybe, brooklynites not so much. all good.

antinimby
April 28th, 2008, 07:52 PM
For a Raft of New Hotels, the Sound of Grumbling


By SAKI KNAFO
Published: April 27, 2008 (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/27/nyregion/thecity/27dutc.html)

RESIDENTS of Dutch Kills, a postage stamp of a neighborhood near Queens Plaza in the western part of the borough, love its abundant light and low-rise charm. So with construction under way on a 16-story hotel with a curving glass facade at the corner of 39th Avenue and 29th Street, the local reception is not universally warm.

“I hate it,” said Tracey Florio, a bookkeeper who lives nearby. “It looks like a spaceship.”

The tale of a small neighborhood transformed by a mass of shimmering glass is hardly unusual. What is unusual in Dutch Kills is the magnitude of the changes.

In the past two years, developers have applied for permits to build hotels on at least 14 local sites, most of them in an eight-block area. The permits indicate that many of these structures would rise at least nine stories high. Construction is under way at several sites.

Steven Bahar, one of the developers, said critics should consider the alternative to such construction. “If we don’t build in New York and the areas that are close to mass transit,” he said, “where are the city planners supposed to put development? In the suburbs, where people use cars and destroy the environment?”

That Dutch Kills, just 15 minutes from Manhattan by subway, is attractive to developers is not surprising. But, paradoxically, the local boom appears to have been prompted in part by an effort to prevent just that sort of growth.

In 2005, the Department of City Planning proposed a rezoning of the neighborhood, an idea that many local residents liked. The plan was to loosen the limits on residential construction and clamp down on commercial construction, even prohibiting it on most blocks. In announcing its plans, however, the city inadvertently motivated developers to rush in to build tall commercial structures while they could.

Three years later, the rezoning plan remains just that: a plan. The city’s planners are now conducting an extensive environmental review of the impact of their proposal; once completed, perhaps in a month, that study will be subject to scrutiny by the community board, the borough president and the City Planning Commission, and then to a vote by the City Council.

Many Dutch Kills residents, who also fret that some of the hotel rooms will be converted into condominium units, say the city is acting too slowly. “With all the delays, by the time we get our zoning, we most probably will have lost our neighborhood,” said Megan Friedman, who lives in a converted firehouse on 28th Street.

But John Young, director of the Queens office of the City Planning Department, insists that a lengthy study was unavoidable for the complex project. “The timeline that we have adhered to here,” Mr. Young said, “is one that is very reasonable and at times very aggressive.”

Meanwhile, local residents worry.

“The entire neighborhood helped raise me,” said Richard Madrid, a veterinary hospital administrator who lives with his wife and 2-year-old daughter, Jasminda, down the street from Ms. Friedman. It upsets him to think that his daughter may have to grow up among strangers: “I’ll have to tell Jasminda: ‘I really don’t know who’s next door. They come in and out.’ “

Copyright 2008 The New York Times Company

antinimby
April 28th, 2008, 07:58 PM
Aw, poor Jasminda.

The city really needs to choke itself off from the natural growth in an area only across the bridge from Manhattan just so poor little Jasminda will live like it was Mayberry.

Never mind the fact that she is in fact living in the largest city in the country. These NIMBYs are beyond ridiculous.


Steven Bahar, one of the developers, said critics should consider the alternative to such construction. “If we don’t build in New York and the areas that are close to mass transit,” he said, “where are the city planners supposed to put development? In the suburbs, where people use cars and destroy the environment?”Meanwhile, this ^ statement is absolutely true. The city should listen to common sense like that instead of these anti-development, anti-growth, anti-everything NIMBYs.

Of course the NIMBYs in the city don't really know or care about the consequences of what they're asking for (suburban sprawl, more automobile usage, etc.) just as long as the growth doesn't occur in their backyards. But guess what? The whole city is always someone's backyard.

jrosa51894
May 8th, 2008, 08:04 PM
The Scaffolding On The Tishman Project On Jackson And Qns Plaza South Is Going Up
And
The 42 Story Building To Be Erected In The Parking Lot On 43rd Ave And Crescent St Is Beginning. The Lot Is Now Empty And Awaiting Scaffolding

BrooklynLove
May 8th, 2008, 09:15 PM
The 42 Story Building To Be Erected In The Parking Lot On 43rd Ave And Crescent St Is Beginning. The Lot Is Now Empty And Awaiting Scaffolding

j - is this the karl fischer highrise going up where the strip club was razed?

antinimby
May 8th, 2008, 09:30 PM
Nope. The Karl Fischer is neither on 43rd nor Crescent.

He's talking about the Rockrose Malhotra-designed thing further to the south near the Citibank tower.

antinimby
May 15th, 2008, 02:02 AM
Sales launch for LIC's tallest condo


http://s3.amazonaws.com/trd_three/images/35218/Star_Tower_-_Exterior__small__midsize.jpg
Star Tower


By Adam Pincus
Updated On 05/14/08 (http://ny.therealdeal.com/articles/sales-launch-for-lic-s-tallest-condo) at 12:27PM

Sales have started on what will be Long Island City's tallest residential condominium, a 25-story tower slated to open in winter 2009.

The Star Tower, planned by Manhattan-based Roe Development Corp., will contain 180 one- and two-bedroom apartments. They range from about $425,000 to more than $1 million and from 617 to 1,213 square feet.

The high-rise, three blocks from the Citicorp Building, will be among the tallest residential towers rising in Long Island City. Those include the 42-story City Lights cooperative, the 32-story rental Avalon Riverview and the 39-story rental Avalon Riverview North, all on the East River.

The building, located just south of Queensboro Plaza at 28-02 42nd Road, will include a number of luxury amenities, such as a roof-top pool, concierge service and a 5,000-square-foot mezzanine level lawn, the largest such space in the neighborhood.

Roe's vice president, Robert Roe, said that despite the nationwide housing slump, the market remains strong in pockets of Queens, including Long Island City. About 30 units in the $100 million-plus development sold in the past week and a half, he said.

"The market is always a factor, and you have to look at supply and demand, but certainly areas in Manhattan and outside are still very strong," he said. "We are seeing new (development) deals even now in Long Island City."

He said he expected prices to grow from about $725 per foot to as high as $1,200 before the building opens.

Other big projects in the works for the neighborhood include the revitalization of Queensboro Plaza and Jackson Avenue, as well as Gotham Center, Tishman Speyer's 3.5 million-square-foot office tower.

© 2008 The Real Deal

BrooklynLove
May 15th, 2008, 07:28 AM
i love the development in this area, but who is going to buy these units? this market is already over-saturated - tons of new units have been sitting among various new developments for over a year now and new construction owners are now trying to flip as well. and new development of neighborhood amenities/services is way behid the pace of residential development. it makes me nervous to see what's going on in LIC - recipe for disaster.

antinimby
May 15th, 2008, 07:59 PM
What I don't get is...what does it matter to you or me or any of us (with the exception of perhaps the developers) if these units sell or not?

If more units are left unsold, then prices will adjust and go down making it more affordable. I don't see how that can be a bad thing at all.


Now onto other news...


Big Tishman project moves forward in Long Island City



By Adam Pincus
Updated on 05/15/08 (http://ny.therealdeal.com/articles/big-tishman-project-moves-forward-in-long-island-city) at 03:01PM

Tishman Speyer might have dropped its deal with the Metropolitan Transportation Authority this week for the massive development of Hudson Yards. But flying under the radar is the firm's big commercial project in Long Island City, Queens, where the first stirrings of work have begun.

A portion of the long-awaited 3.2-million-square-foot complex, dubbed Gotham Center, is slated to be built on a city-owned site occupied by a municipal parking garage, where demolition could begin soon. The site is on the south side of Queens Plaza, at the corner of Queens Boulevard and Jackson Avenue.

Queens broker John Maltz, president of Greiner-Maltz Real Estate, said he had heard that the city Department of Health and Mental Hygiene could leasing up to 600,000 square feet of the complex's first building, which will be 800,000 square feet.

Permits for a shed and scaffolding, which often precede demolitions, were approved by the city Department of Buildings in February. The scaffolding is finally going up this week. However, no building plans or plan to demolish the city's garage have been filed on the DOB's Web site.

The long-awaited project is a split into two parts: a garage and office tower west of Jackson Avenue on the site of the municipal garage; and a possible commercial and residential development east of Jackson Avenue on privately-owned land, a source familiar with the deal said.

Tishman Speyer and partner Med-Mac Properties, a trust held by a member of the Modell family (which owns Modell's Sporting Goods stores), are negotiating with the city Economic Development Corp. on the deal, the source said.

Med-Mac Properties holds a long-term lease on the garage site, but Tishman Speyer could take title to the plot, the source said.

On the east side of Jackson Avenue, Tishman Speyer has an option to be a partner with Outlet City, another trust held by a member of the Modell family. That property is held by companies affiliated with Outlet City, city property records show.

"We heard there would be a heavy retail component on the ground floor with condos above," Maltz said.

A spokeswoman for Tishman Speyer declined to comment. A spokesman for Modell's also declined to comment.

Queens Plaza was included in a 2001 rezoning of Long Island City as part of a city effort to spur development near the transit hub, where the 7, R, E, N and W lines converge.

The bunker-like concrete parking structure was closed in February.

Gayle Baron, president of the Long Island City Business Development Corp., said the area's rapid residential development needs to be balanced with more office space.

"I think it is important to get commercial into the mix," she said. "I think there will be a need for this type of office space. Although in the short term you are going to have to figure out who is the anchor tenant."

John Cicero, managing principal of commercial appraiser Miller Cicero, said the development is "part of the long-term plan. The city really wanted to redevelop that area which is a great transit route and a great location for offices."

© 2008 The Real Deal

antinimby
May 15th, 2008, 08:08 PM
The long-awaited project is a split into two parts: a garage and office tower west of Jackson Avenue on the site of the municipal garage; and a possible commercial and residential development east of Jackson Avenue on privately-owned land, a source familiar with the deal said.I'm don't like the garage part. The whole purpose of rezoning this area is because it's got all these mass transit lines going through.

Kind of defeats the purpose by making accommodations for cars.

BrooklynLove
May 15th, 2008, 08:48 PM
TS development is good news.

AN - problem is that these units won't sell at massive price reductions - developer will hold them and rent them out - result is vacant units or large scale transient rental population, which is a disaster for a neighborhood in its formative stages (formative wrt this late 1990s onward development of LIC) - leads to a strip mall hotel college campus "community"

antinimby
May 15th, 2008, 09:42 PM
Yeah, you're right. Leaving the sites empty and undeveloped will be better for the neighborhood. :rolleyes:

BL, I don't know where you get your crazy theories from but they are just that--crazy.

If rentals = lots transient residents, then most of NY is transient because the city is still primarily a rental city.

Throughout its rich history, it has always been a city of renters and is still very much so today.

BrooklynLove
May 15th, 2008, 10:06 PM
not saying leave empty, just saying be a bit more gradual.

the renters that have shaped nyc neighborhoods weren't transient - historically a person would rent a please and stay in the community for many years. the people renting these places in lic are 1-2 yrs and out.

antinimby
May 15th, 2008, 11:12 PM
Gradual just means more sites sitting vacant instead of getting built upon. That's the same thing buddy.

And the part about LIC renters will somehow be more transient than those elsewhere in the city is about as silly of a thing as I've heard here.

The people renting here will be pretty much the same as anywhere else in the city. And where does it say that transient is necessarily bad?

We don't have enough rentals in this city and have lost many over to condo conversions so this is even more needed, assuming that they will even become rentals in the first place, which is really only your guess.

BL, you are really reaching for these far-fetched scenarios and then coming up with these irrational fears that aren't based on anything factual but your theories.

I'd be more worried if no one wants to build here.

BrooklynLove
May 16th, 2008, 07:40 AM
i'm not saying that i'd rather have no building - i guess what i'm woried about is more a necessary evil to a wave of development which i think is great in LIC. the point i'm trying to make is not about a transient renter community in general, my concern is when this arises during the formative stages of a new community - it guts the community of any significant identity or cohesiveness. i'm having difficulty articulating my point but for those who have lived for a while in one of the 5 boro's strong communities and then spent some time in a murray hill or similar, my point should be clear.

kyle
May 16th, 2008, 08:24 AM
BL, you throw out the Murray Hill comparison on every LIC RE blog/board, but it's just not like that in LIC...at least not now. And the trend the last few years has been towards families buying *or renting* in LIC, which I expect to continue.

As a matter of fact, most people in the 'hood seem to be getting *relatively* older and have kids. When we'd go out, you were usually the youngest one among us. :)

Anywho, I love love love what's happening to QP, I walk around there four or five times a week watching everything develop. I get a more of a Midtown feel for it though. Some residential here or there, but there's so much traffic and so much commercial development, it's just a weird vibe. Especially how it is during the workweek and how it is during the weekend.

BrooklynLove
May 16th, 2008, 01:17 PM
kyle - that's because the HP area of LIC is more and more murray hill everyday - you'd be blind to deny it. the majority of retail development is bar/restaurant, and the influx of new residents are highly young renters. the 2 avalon and 2 rockrose buildings alone house a huge amount of those renters. and now you're also seeing more and more in subletted units, esp as non-occupant owners close in the newer buildings.

we can debate this further at the bar crawl.

antinimby
May 16th, 2008, 07:15 PM
Young and educated are good things, not bad.

Go to Buffalo and Rochester NY. Go to Dayton Ohio. Go to Flint Michigan. These dead and dying cities of a bygone era are getting old, fast and losing population.

The young people there are leaving left and right. These places would give anything to have what you claim is a bad thing.

BL, you sound no different from all these irrational NIMBYs that tell us how their communities will go to hell if this new development is allowed to proceed or if that 4-story tall "highrise" tower will destroy their neighborhood characteristic.

There are plenty of lousy, family-dominated neighborhoods in this city that could only wish they were 1/100th as livable and lively as Murray Hill.

Give me a break.

BrooklynLove
May 17th, 2008, 09:48 AM
BL, you sound no different from all these irrational NIMBYs that tell us how their communities will go to hell if this new development is allowed to proceed or if that 4-story tall "highrise" tower will destroy their neighborhood characteristic.


what does that have to do with what i'm saying? i'm talking about the formation of a new community, not what happens to an existing one. also, my comments are not concerned at all with the physical features of buildings; my comments concern the type of resident and nature of retail and other service filling those buildings.

antinimby
May 17th, 2008, 09:15 PM
I used those examples to illustrate how your predictions of what will happen are really no different than many of those "the sky is falling" cries that we commonly hear from NIMBYs.

If we examine your claims and the usual NIMBY claims, they all have a common denominator: disaster will occur if there is too much/too tall/too big/too out-of-context/too modern, etc. is built.

You keep on making these assumptions of how everything will turn out (and almost all of it is negative by the way) as if you're some kind of fortune teller.

Even experts never get things in their own field right let alone how something as complex as a community will evolve.

This is even assuming your claim that having mostly 20-something's is a bad thing, which I don't believe at all.

You say don't like the direction LIC is heading so let me ask you.

What exactly do you want to see then? What ideal neighborhood do you think LIC should emulate?

Do you really think this can be accomplished by staggering new developments?

Let's hear it.

sfenn1117
May 18th, 2008, 02:33 AM
Moving on, here's an update on a bunch of buildings in LIC. Check out how ugly the new building near Queens Plaza is (next to View 59), fedders to the ultimate max.

http://afinecompany.blogspot.com/2008/05/long-island-city-new-condo-development.html

antinimby
May 18th, 2008, 02:56 AM
You must be referring to the tan-colored little number as seen in the middle of this pic:

http://bp3.blogger.com/_4g75slnk7qQ/SC2_eDA84-I/AAAAAAAAAdg/Fh-V3nQY8H4/s320/View59+Crescent.JPG (http://bp3.blogger.com/_4g75slnk7qQ/SC2_eDA84-I/AAAAAAAAAdg/Fh-V3nQY8H4/s1600-h/View59+Crescent.JPG)

Yeah, that one is downright atrocious. Its address is 41-34 25th Street by the way.

Worse than even Kaufman, who remarkably seem to do okay stuff in Queens with his residentials. Go figure.

BrooklynLove
May 18th, 2008, 07:52 AM
You say don't like the direction LIC is heading so let me ask you.

What exactly do you want to see then? What ideal neighborhood do you think LIC should emulate?

battery park city did a much better job of building a community than LIC is doing.

jrosa51894
May 18th, 2008, 08:33 PM
Well everyone they have surrounded me with construction projects. The new rockrose project a 41 story building with 1300 parking spots on cresent. An 18 story building on hunter and 43rd ave and behind the overpass a 12 story building will be erected on 42nd rd. in addition to the other building on 42nd ave "The star building will be great for the area, great for my property values. but i am moving out of the area for a few years cant go through the severe contruction that will be going on. i will return in a few years to a new lic cant wait to see it. remember what i said a year ago the lic core will have explosive development in 2008 and here it is.

antinimby
May 18th, 2008, 11:11 PM
battery park city did a much better job of building a community than LIC is doing.What exactly is better about BPC?

kyle
May 19th, 2008, 10:37 AM
Well everyone they have surrounded me with construction projects. The new rockrose project a 41 story building with 1300 parking spots on cresent. An 18 story building on hunter and 43rd ave and behind the overpass a 12 story building will be erected on 42nd rd. in addition to the other building on 42nd ave "The star building will be great for the area, great for my property values. but i am moving out of the area for a few years cant go through the severe contruction that will be going on. i will return in a few years to a new lic cant wait to see it. remember what i said a year ago the lic core will have explosive development in 2008 and here it is.

Where you going you carpetbagger you! :D

jrosa51894
May 19th, 2008, 08:22 PM
Going to bayside kyle. Not selling just temp relocating. I will return my friend but this will not stop me from posting hahahaha

BrooklynLove
May 19th, 2008, 08:57 PM
What exactly is better about BPC?

BPC built a community, LIC is losing one.

dumbo would be another answer to your previous question.

antinimby
May 19th, 2008, 09:12 PM
You still haven't answered the question: what is it about BPC that makes it a community and how is that supposedly better and worth replicating?

LIC isn't losing a community. There wasn't much of one to begin with because it was mostly industrial, much like Williamsburg.

Everything is still evolving even as we speak because it's still being built and slowly but surely, one with it's own identity will surface and the place will be the better for it.

You are sounding like a doomsayer with all your dire predictions. LIC will actually be a better and more lively and "real" community than BPC in the long run.

Its streets, grid and overall layout follows the older, more successful pattern found in the rest of city. BPC follows the towers-in-the-park, Corbusian/Robert Moses layout.

Its streets are pretty much lifeless and if it weren't next to Lower Manhattan and teeming with tourists looking to walk along the waterfront would be dead day or night.

BPC might be nice but in only small doses. You don't want it to be a model for other parts of the city to follow.

By the way, isn't Queens West already BPC-like already?

BrooklynLove
May 19th, 2008, 09:18 PM
You still haven't answered the question ...
By the way, isn't Queens West already BPC-like already?

i have answered your question but you don't understand my answer, and your question explains why you don't.

antinimby
May 19th, 2008, 09:21 PM
Your answer is too broad. You just say it's a community but I want to know what exactly about it makes it a community?

And by the way, what's wrong with repeating it again if I didn't get your answer at first? Is it really that much of burden?

BrooklynLove
May 20th, 2008, 06:59 AM
a community is defined by a balanced composition of services and amenities enabling residents to live in the community, not just sleep in the community. a community is also defined by non-transient residents who build relationships with each other and contribute to the balanced growth of their community. LIC is trending more and more away from these characteristics - the area's focus has become manhattan, not itself. there are great people in LIC who care about this and are striving to maintain a balance - hopefully they'll succeed.

antinimby
May 20th, 2008, 09:21 PM
Your claims are totally inconsistent.

For instance, BPC for most of its history and even today lacks many basic services and amenities that you are now saying is necessary to be a community but yet you not only mentioned it but singled it out as a model on which LIC should follow after.

You then disparages Murray Hill as a place that is all wrong and is not a community.

Where are you more likely to be able to buy a pair shoes? Find a dentist? Get a slice of pizza? Dine in a French restaurant? Buy a carton of eggs?

Murray Hill or Battery Park City? I guess the so called "community" isn't looking so community-like after all.

So much for that transient/non-transient bologna.

sfenn1117
May 21st, 2008, 12:41 AM
The difference between BPC and LIC is one has a masterplan and a clean slate. BPC was built with the smallest details taken into mind, from layout to design of the buildings to ground floor uses. LIC doesn't have that advantage, it was already an established neighborhood. Rezoning has allowed the changes to take place.

That said, with more and more residents moving in the area is getting the services it needs. The thousands of residents on the waterfront (renters no less!) are getting basic needs like Duane Reade and a supermarket. A new library is coming (eventually) and a new school will come with Hunters Point South. Lots of new restaurants and small shops are opening on Vernon. The difference is people are spread out between still in use industrial buildings and underutilized land.

I'll take LIC's development anyday over BPC because it is more organic and makes for a more interesting streetscape. You're going to get hideous buildings like the one on Queens Plaza, but you'll also get surprises like Scarano's 16 story building on Jackson or even View59. And who cares is a lot of people in the neighborhood rent, that's NYC for you.

I think once LIC is fully built out (the biggest buildings are just now being started), it WILL be a cohesive community people will enjoy living in, and will be a much more interesting place to visit than other newly formed communities like BPC or Trump Place. I've walked around the area and I DO notice the changes on a daily basis. It might seem weird now to have new condos next to taxi depots or what not, but I'd rather that than such sterility. The taxi depots will eventually be bought out and more people will move on in. And as long as that's occuring, and developers have confidence in the neighborhood, LIC will continue to thrive.

antinimby
May 21st, 2008, 12:54 AM
Thank you.

Echoing pretty much what I said before:


LIC will actually be a better and more lively and "real" community than BPC in the long run.

Its streets, grid and overall layout follows the older, more successful pattern found in the rest of city. BPC follows the towers-in-the-park, Corbusian/Robert Moses layout.

BrooklynLove
May 21st, 2008, 07:17 AM
sfenn and antiN - have you ever lived in LIC? i so, when?

you can go on and on with urban planning theory, but i'll tell you the reality of the situation. the community aspect of development in this area is following an inverse path to the area's build out.

kyle
May 21st, 2008, 10:15 AM
Why would you say that? People moving in are older than ever, with families. Didn't you leave before Rockrose 2 and Avalon 2 were even open yet? How can you comment in who lives in those buildings...their still not even full.

antinimby
May 21st, 2008, 07:56 PM
BL, have you lived in Murray Hill? Have you lived in BPC? If so, when?

BrooklynLove
May 21st, 2008, 08:39 PM
BL, have you lived in Murray Hill? Have you lived in BPC? If so, when?

MH 2001-2002
BPC 2002-2003
LIC 2003-2007

BrooklynLove
May 21st, 2008, 08:43 PM
Why would you say that? People moving in are older than ever, with families. Didn't you leave before Rockrose 2 and Avalon 2 were even open yet? How can you comment in who lives in those buildings...their still not even full.

kyle - are you saying that the representative resident in the avalon and rockrose buildings are families and older people? you're silly fighting this point. and yes i'm still in touch with LIC enough to have a sense of who is living in those buildings.

antinimby
May 21st, 2008, 08:50 PM
I have you beat.

Athens, Greece 1993-1995
Paris, France 1995 -1997
London, UK 1997-1999
Milan, Italy 1999 - 2000
LIC, Queens 2001 - 2002
BPC 2002 - 2003
MH 2003 -2004
SoHo 2004 - 2005
Clinton 2005 - 2007
Tokyo 2007 to present.

:rolleyes:

BrooklynLove
May 21st, 2008, 09:13 PM
:rolleyes: kind of funny how we crisscrossed on the MH-BPC-LIC route.

your next stop needs to be brooklyn.

sfenn1117
May 21st, 2008, 09:29 PM
kyle - are you saying that the representative resident in the avalon and rockrose buildings are families and older people? you're silly fighting this point. and yes i'm still in touch with LIC enough to have a sense of who is living in those buildings.

True, a lot of young people live in the avalon and rockrose buildings. A lot of newly graduated students living together is not at all uncommon from what I noticed in Rockrose 1 (the building where my aunt lives). But, there are also a lot of single, older individuals in studios and yes, a few families as well.

When it comes to condos though, I have nothing to back this up but I have to believe it is older individuals buying, and I'm sure some have families. Therefore, with the combo of rental buildings and high-end condos, it seems to me like a good mixed demographic is forming. It's the perfect formula, wouldn't you say? And this combo can lead to a great neighborhood. Young individuals go out, have dinner, a few drinks, hangout at the park, and have a good time. Older individuals with kids meet with after school programs and, once again at parks. Plus, those younger renters could love the neighborhood and end up buying later in life.

BrooklynLove
May 21st, 2008, 09:34 PM
i hope a nice balance develops over time. i love the area and want to see that happen.

antinimby
May 27th, 2008, 08:16 PM
Vacant Long Island City garage might go; office tower may rise


http://www.nydailynews.com/img/2008/05/27/amd_queens-garage.jpg
The shuttered city-owned garage at
Queens Blvd. and Jackson Ave. may be
replaced by a new office tower.


BY JOHN LAUINGER
Tuesday, May 27th 2008 (http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/queens/2008/05/27/2008-05-27_vacant_long_island_city_garage_might_go_.html), 4:00 AM

The city is about a month away from inking a deal that would pump millions of dollars into the Long Island City economy by transforming a shuttered municipal parking garage into an office tower, sources said.

The city-owned garage, widely viewed as an eyesore, is on the south side of Queens Plaza at the intersection of Queens Blvd. and Jackson Ave.

Real estate giant Tishman Speyer, only two weeks removed from backing out of the massive Hudson Yards deal in Manhattan, is negotiating with the city and the Modell's family, which has a long-term lease on the site, several sources told the Queens News.

"A contract has not been signed, but it is expected to be completed within the next four or five weeks," said a source with knowledge of the deal.

The city Health Department is set to be the anchor tenant, leasing 650,000 square feet of the roughly 800,000-square-foot high-rise tower, sources said.

The building, one of two planned for the site, is also slated to include a small retail component and additional commercial space, sources said. The specifications of the second building have yet to be determined.

When asked about the potential deal, Jeff Roberts, a spokesman for the city Economic Development Corp., said, "plans haven't been finalized yet and details are still under discussion."

A spokeswoman for Tishman Speyer declined to comment.

The deal, first reported in the Real Deal real estate news weekly, would represent the first portion of a planned 3.5-million-square-foot megacomplex known as Gotham Center.

Andrew Ebenstein, executive director of the Long Island City Business Improvement District, said locals have been hoping for the bunker-style garage to be razed "for a long time."

"Any development of the municipal garage site would be great for Long Island City," he said.

The garage, which closed in February, occupies land that was primed for high density commercial development by the 2001 upzoning of Long Island City's core business area.

Health Department officials said a lease hasn't been finalized, but indicated the agency is planning to move some staff to the Gotham Center tower. A Buildings Department spokeswoman said permits have been issued for scaffolding and a sidewalk shed, but not for demolition.

John Maltz, president of Greiner-Maltz Real Estate, said nothing can be taken for granted until demolition begins.

He said a few years ago, the city had a deal in place for the garage site, only to shift the deal to Manhattan at the eleventh hour.

"At the last minute the city decided they wanted to favor the Wall St. area over Long Island City," he said.

© Copyright 2008 NYDailyNews.com

jrosa51894
May 27th, 2008, 08:31 PM
Hey antinimby

This project was one of the reasons i have to leave for a little while. between whats going on at 43rd ave and this project the area looks and feels like a warzone .not complaining mind you and i cant wait to see the result.

antinimby
May 27th, 2008, 08:47 PM
Aren't you lucky though, to have a secondary home to go to.

Most of us poor schleps' only got one place to call home (and in my case, having trouble even doing that). :(

BrooklynLove
May 27th, 2008, 08:56 PM
that garage needs to go. it's the fitterman hall of LIC.

jrosa51894
June 1st, 2008, 09:32 PM
They are putting up ths scafolding as we speak. yeah baby i have been waitin for this to come down for a while. Out with the old in with the new.

BrooklynLove
June 1st, 2008, 09:53 PM
this is a structure deserving of an old fashioned dynomite demo

brianac
June 17th, 2008, 05:38 AM
CITI TOWER WILL GET NEIGHBOR

http://www.nypost.com/seven/06172008/photos/bus0f.jpg (http://javascript<b></b>:SLIDES.hotlink())
WHAT A SITE:Rendering shows 10 Court Square, a new office tower (at center) planned by Rockrose Development and designed by Skidmore Owings & Merrill.

http://www.nypost.com/img/cols/stevecuozzo.jpg
http://www.nypost.com/img/sl/realtycheck.gif

June 17, 2008 -- WITH Wall Street lay offs mushrooming and construction costs soaring, the last thing you'd expect is a big new commercial building in an outer-borough neighborhood not known as an office district. But Rockrose Development Corp. aims to buck the trend.

The company hopes to build a Skidmore Owings & Merrill-designed office tower in Long Island City at a Jackson Avenue location it calls 10 Court Square.
The build-to-suit project, a rendering of which is being revealed on this page for the first time, will have 800,000 square feet. Rockrose has been assembling the site since 1988.

Rockrose Vice President Patricia Dunphy said the Elghanyan family-owned firm had to buy out 12 property owners.

The site, now occupied by several empty low-rise buildings, is close to the 50-story Citibank tower.

Why a commercial building and not more apartments, like the ones Rockrose is putting up at 4300 Crescent St. nearby?

"When you get off the subway and you see the Citibank towers and the new United Nations Federal Credit Union building, you see that it begs to be done as an office building," Dunphy said.

The development site stands astride the Jackson Avenue redevelopment project backed by $50 million in city, state and federal funds - a beautification initiative that's creating landscaped medians, park benches and better lighting.

"And it's a seven-minute ride on the E train from Lexington Avenue and 53rd Street," Dunphy noted.

The leasing campaign is spearheaded by a Peter Riguardi-led Jones Lang LaSalle team that includes Frank Doyle, Barbara Winter and Andrew Flint.
Rockrose needs an anchor tenant for at least half the space to launch the project.

Compared with asking rents of $100 a square foot and up in Manhattan, the "ask" at 10 Court Square will likely be in the mid-$60s - a price that Riguardi says "can be effectively reduced to the mid-$40s," thanks to incentives to promote development in the area.

The sweeteners include the city's Relocation Employment Assistance Program (REAP), commercial rent tax abatement and the Industrial and Commercial Incentive Program.

Rockrose owns more than 10 million square feet of commercial and residential space in the city and in Washington, DC, and is developing the EastCoast apartment complex on the Long Island City waterfront.

International law firm Cozen O'Connor is consolidating its Manhattan headquarters at 45 Broadway, renewing on 35,000 square feet and adding 13,000 square feet as well.

The expansion space will take in staff from the firm's uptown office at 909 Third Ave., which will be closed.

The asking rent was about $53 a square foot. Cushman & Wakefield's John Cefaly, Rob Lowe and Whitten Morris repped the tenant, but no one at the firm would comment. The Lawrence Group repped the landlord.

steve.cuozzo@nypost.com (steve.cuozzo@nypost.com)

http://www.nypost.com/seven/06172008/business/citi_tower_will_get_neighbor_115912.htm

NEW YORK POST is a registered trademark of NYP Holdings,

antinimby
June 17th, 2008, 07:38 AM
Short, fat and boxy. Also looks like someone took a knife and slashed part of it off.

Jaffster
June 17th, 2008, 09:13 PM
What ever happened to the 2 Court Square tower portion?

kyle
June 17th, 2008, 10:44 PM
As an aside, they're tearing down the red brick building near this area. If anyone has the time, try and get some pictures before it looks like a L.I. corporate park. :)

Derek2k3
June 17th, 2008, 11:24 PM
http://www.nypost.com/seven/06172008/photos/bus0f.jpg (http://javascript<b></b>:SLIDES.hotlink())
I'll try and be optimistic and say that at least it's better than many of the office buildings in Jersey City.

BrooklynLove
June 19th, 2008, 06:40 AM
keep it coming. the court square area needs to keep the momentum rolling. sad to see the old red apartment building go - lots of beautiful detailing - but inevitable.

INTENSS
June 20th, 2008, 04:02 PM
Im suprised no one has mentioned this yet - does anyone notice the residential bldg on the right? Is that the first picture of Rockrose's 42 story condo going up where the red apartment bldg is? It would appear it's not right behind the UN Federal credit bldg, but rather on the current open lot portion.

Rich

jrosa51894
June 22nd, 2008, 08:52 AM
I have been saying it for the last 12 months the lic core is exploding with growth unlike which we ever seen.

BrooklynLove
June 22nd, 2008, 02:22 PM
i don't know if i'd go that far. the level of current "exploding growth" in downtown brooklyn is at least similar if not greater. i've been following both closely for about 5 years now.

antinimby
June 23rd, 2008, 12:34 AM
^ Let's not start the Downtown Brooklyn vs. (insert another growing metro area here) and who's growing faster thing again.

Everyone's growing and that's good.

By the way, I was pleasantly surprised to read that according to A Fine Blog (http://afinecompany.blogspot.com/2008/06/purves-street-luxury-cul-de-sac-of-long.html), there's three more projects (at 15/26/30 stories) nearly side-by-side on the northern side of Purves St.

As you may know, that block's already home to the finished 13-story Kaufman-designed 44-27 Purves and at the corner, the nearly finished Scarano-designed 26-26 Jackson Ave.

BrooklynLove
June 23rd, 2008, 07:35 AM
here here.

right, that's a hot spot - the sculpture center seems to have been a nucleus for new developments

afineblogger
June 23rd, 2008, 02:56 PM
Hello All-
I have noticed links to my blog pop up here every now and then. I hope you are enjoying the efforts that I am making to keep people posted on LIC.
I am happy to offer any knowledge I have on the area, should you have any questions. Also, if anyone has any story ideas, or things that need looking into, please let me know and I will try my best. I can always be reached through my blog, www.afineblog.com (http://www.afineblog.com).
Thanks, Andrew

sfenn1117
June 23rd, 2008, 09:12 PM
^Thanks for posting here, we hope you continue your fine work covering the neighborhood. obvious pun intended.

antinimby
June 23rd, 2008, 11:23 PM
Welcome Andrew. I am a regular reader of your blog and have linked to it here. Very informative and I especially like the pics. :)

NYC4Life
June 24th, 2008, 03:18 AM
From: NY Daily News

http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/queens/2008/06/22/2008-06-22_community_board_2_set_to_vote_on_hunters.html

Community Board 2 set to vote on Hunters Point South megadevelopment

BY JOHN LAUINGER
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER

Sunday, June 22nd 2008, 4:40 PM

The city wants its planned Hunters Point South megadevelopment to be a haven for middle-income families - a place where even the newest cops on the beat can afford an apartment.

But some housing advocates and elected officials charge it will still be out of reach for a majority of Queens (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Queens+County) residents.

Community Board 2 is set to vote Monday on the city's vision, marking the first hurdle in the public review process for the proposed residential and commercial development along the Long Island City (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Long+Island+City) waterfront.

Deputy Mayor Robert Lieber (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Robert+C.+Lieber) said the development will cater to middle-income families that are being squeezed by sky-high housing prices.
"It's our goal to make Hunters Point South home to thousands of teachers, police officers, firefighters, nurses and other New Yorkers," Lieber told the Queens Borough Board (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Queens+Borough+Board) last week.

The proposal calls for 5,000 residential units. Thanks to city subsidies, 60% of those units will be affordable to families of four earning $55,000 to $158,000 a year, officials said.

But housing advocates and elected officials, including City Councilman Eric Gioia (D-Sunnyside) (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Eric+Gioia), have urged the city to make Hunters Point South even more affordable.

They noted the median income for Queens is only $48,000 for a family of four. And in Long Island City, that figure is only $44,000 a year.

"It's unjust for a city-owned project to exclude the majority of the local residents," said Hannah Weinstock (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Hannah+Weinstock), a housing advocate with the Queens Community House.

For a single wage-earner to qualify for an apartment at Hunters Point South, they must make a minimum of $35,000 a year - or slightly less than a rookie cop's annual salary of $35,881.

"We are trying to make sure that somebody right on the force can afford a unit," Project Manager Tom McKnight (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Tom+McKnight) said.

Community Board 2 Chairman Joe Conley (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Joe+Conley) said other aspects of the proposal being considered by the board include plans for parkland and community facility space, as well as access to public transportation and medical care.

afineblogger
June 25th, 2008, 12:20 PM
I'll try to keep the decent content flowing.
Does anyone have details on the big lot of 44th and Vernon (on the water)? According to the workers on site, the excavation is just about done and foundation work starts in a couple of weeks. Last I checked there were 2 very large towers to go in the space, but details have been scant. Great lot btw.

BrooklynLove
June 25th, 2008, 12:58 PM
have poked around in the DOB and Finance records for info?

afineblogger
June 26th, 2008, 05:25 PM
This is about all that I could come up with on the huge waterfront lot on 44th Ave and Vernon: http://afinecompany.blogspot.com/2008/06/lot-to-watch-with-view-and-swimming.html
Vernon Realty Holdings didn't want to answer any questions.
If anyone else has details, please share.

antinimby
June 26th, 2008, 05:54 PM
That's the River East project. Here's what it was supposed to look like:



River East is taking a while to get out of the ground.

http://gace.net/images/port_resi_erdevel1.jpg

http://gace.net/images/port_resi_erdevel2.jpg

Goldstein Associates
http://gace.net (http://gace.net/)

East River Tennis Center Development
Long Island City, New York

Owner: Vernon Realty
Architects: The Walker Group
Size: 1,200,000 SF


http://farm1.static.flickr.com/133/382691982_78b8e45c1f_o.jpg
2-7-07
NewYorkDailyPhoto.com (http://www.flickr.com/photos/newyorkdailyhoto/382691982/in/pool-curbed/)

ramvid01
June 26th, 2008, 07:29 PM
Thanks for the update afineblogger.

So apparently they are only building one of the two buildings planned. Interesting.

antinimby
June 27th, 2008, 09:21 AM
In this housing market, it's probably smarter to build one at a time. Once they fill out the first one, then they can start on the second. ;)

BrooklynLove
June 30th, 2008, 07:35 AM
interesting play here strategy-wise. sit on all or some of the land in hopes that silvercup will actually build out their development and then sell or build at which point the location would be worth multiples of its current value, or pull (or start pulling) the trigger now. their financial situation may not even provide for this flexiblity however. i'm not surprised that they've been less than forthcoming with info.

NYC4Life
July 17th, 2008, 02:58 PM
From: NY1

Leaders Break Ground On City's Only Rooftop Ice Rink

http://www.ny1.com/ny1/content/images/live/144/287460.jpg

July 17, 2008

Queens lawmakers held a groundbreaking ceremony today in Long Island City for the new City Ice Pavilion.

When the doors open in October 2008, it will be the city's only rooftop ice skating rink.

The rink's president said one of the goals of the Pavilion is making sure kids have play time.

"There are teams that are getting turned away at Chelsea Piers. The kids are on outdoor rinks. This is an opportunity for them to have guaranteed ice time," said Erik Eskstein, president and founder of City Ice Pavilion.

The roof, which is about an acre and a half in size, will have an National Hockey League-size ice rink, sheltered by an dome.

BrooklynLove
July 17th, 2008, 10:17 PM
I wonder how many people reading about this project are grasping where it actually is ...

antinimby
July 17th, 2008, 11:03 PM
A sneak peek from A Fine Blog (http://afinecompany.blogspot.com/2008/07/first-pictures-and-video-of-east-coast.html) of Rockrose's "East Coast 4":


(Click on pic for larger view)

http://bp0.blogger.com/_4g75slnk7qQ/SH9TOhQdY3I/AAAAAAAAAmI/e7cjlXnR6Z4/s320/building.JPG (http://bp0.blogger.com/_4g75slnk7qQ/SH9TOhQdY3I/AAAAAAAAAmI/e7cjlXnR6Z4/s1600/building.JPG) http://bp3.blogger.com/_4g75slnk7qQ/SH9S-GuG8sI/AAAAAAAAAmA/oue_BxGyGCE/s320/outdoor+amenities.JPG (http://bp3.blogger.com/_4g75slnk7qQ/SH9S-GuG8sI/AAAAAAAAAmA/oue_BxGyGCE/s1600-h/outdoor+amenities.JPG) http://bp3.blogger.com/_4g75slnk7qQ/SH9SxbOpttI/AAAAAAAAAl4/kjqOL71tfA8/s320/from+the+back.JPG (http://bp3.blogger.com/_4g75slnk7qQ/SH9SxbOpttI/AAAAAAAAAl4/kjqOL71tfA8/s1600-h/from+the+back.JPG)

[I'll admit up front that taking pictures of a model of a building is challenging. When I couldn't quite get the desired angle, I went to video-mode (http://vimeo.com/?pg=embed&sec=1357567), and although it's one of those "shaky cam" efforts, combined with the pictures I hope viewers get some sense of Rockrose's latest effort, East Coast 4 (the last building in the video). The building is a 750 unit rental to rise on "Site 2" along the Anabel Basin. Rockrose seems to be making an incredible effort to one-up it's already over the top amenities package at East Coast 2. EC4 will have a rooftop pool, sloping grass amphitheatre, tennis courts, cabanas, and best of all, it's own beach! So long as you join the "East Coast Club" residents of all 4 buildings will be able to enjoy the amenities. With the 20,000 sf gourmet supermarket and Duane Reade opening in the next month or so, there will be very little reason to leave the complex.

antinimby
July 17th, 2008, 11:05 PM
WTF?!! That parking garage is http://wirednewyork.com/forum/images/icons/icon13.gif http://wirednewyork.com/forum/images/icons/icon13.gif http://wirednewyork.com/forum/images/icons/icon13.gif http://wirednewyork.com/forum/images/icons/icon13.gif.

ramvid01
July 17th, 2008, 11:58 PM
That corner of the building looks interesting but the parking garage just makes me want to puke.

That street is becoming quite possibly the saddest street scene being assembled in NYC. Block after block of parking lots...

NYC4Life
July 18th, 2008, 05:49 AM
I guess we'll get used to someday swimming with cars instead of with the fishes.

BrooklynLove
July 18th, 2008, 07:40 AM
Rockrose is cleaning up in this tight money environment. Cash rich is king. They are the anti-Macklowe.

BrooklynLove
July 20th, 2008, 07:39 PM
I was disappointed to see the Queens Plaza parking garage covered in scaffold today. I had been hoping that this would be an implosion job instead of the standard backhoe demo.

antinimby
July 20th, 2008, 10:48 PM
They don't do implosions in this city and I wouldn't want them to either. Kicks up a lot of dust over a large area surrounding the structure.

BrooklynLove
July 21st, 2008, 07:50 AM
So how will they be doing the 2 stadiums then?

antinimby
July 21st, 2008, 09:04 PM
Dismantling.

kliq6
July 22nd, 2008, 12:22 PM
I have been thinking about that, it may take longer to take the stadium down then building the new ones. The parking problem will them exist until 2011 atleast.

antinimby
July 22nd, 2008, 07:32 PM
Good. I don't see it as a problem at all. Maybe the lack of parking for the time being will ween some fans off their need to drive to ballgames.

Take mass transit (trains, rail) to the game. Save money, save gas, save time, less stress.

sfenn1117
August 3rd, 2008, 11:09 PM
ONE YEAR LATER

One year and one month after I took a detailed look at the neighborhood (starting at post #680), I came back to see what's new and to check up on the progress of many buildings. I wish I took more pics of streetscenes in the neighborhood, but I focused more on construction sites. This was Saturday, which was not nearly as nice weather-wise as today, but let's start out at the waterfront...(and return at the end)...

http://i33.tinypic.com/t8w8qv.jpg

"The View" at East Coast
http://i38.tinypic.com/30jiuyd.jpg

Not a bad urban streetscape
http://i38.tinypic.com/msmzjl.jpg

Around the corner, no excuse
http://i35.tinypic.com/1z49ym0.jpg

5th street lofts
http://i34.tinypic.com/2craemh.jpg

New construction site:5-43 48 ave; 8 stories by a no-name firm. Not promising.
http://i37.tinypic.com/nd7vi0.jpg

One of the Hunters Pt. Condos
http://i38.tinypic.com/2dab0xh.jpg

Shiny Kaufman
http://i34.tinypic.com/11mfc7a.jpg

Lots of new midrises forming a cluster around this area
http://i33.tinypic.com/9a342p.jpg

L Haus...Not looking so hot.
http://i34.tinypic.com/a47z4k.jpg

Plenty more to come....if not later tonight, tomorrow during the day.

NYC4Life
August 4th, 2008, 12:08 AM
Wow you would never know this is mostly an industrial area from these pictures.

sfenn1117
August 4th, 2008, 12:34 AM
^Industry still thrives in certain locations; east/southeast of Queens Plaza, and also closer to the water just south of the Queensboro Bridge. Otherwise, it's scattered in the neighborhood, with established residences and new condos sprouting constantly.

A few more for tonight, the rest will come tomorrow or Wednesday

http://i37.tinypic.com/2sbwjrc.jpg

http://i35.tinypic.com/2ltlwo.jpg

10-63 Jackson
http://i34.tinypic.com/16jn60o.jpg

Mystery building...
http://i36.tinypic.com/ndo0g1.jpg

....Not looking promising at all. Bland brick and a/c cutouts
http://i35.tinypic.com/20j5v6d.jpg

Another mystery building on the left.
http://i33.tinypic.com/ftomld.jpg

http://i35.tinypic.com/15ft08.jpg

Waiting to sprout
http://i37.tinypic.com/9iw86r.jpg

Established character.
http://i33.tinypic.com/baheg.jpg

Still a hole one year later.
http://i34.tinypic.com/sgsppg.jpg

Keep waiting for more.

antinimby
August 4th, 2008, 03:52 AM
I would prefer the industrial areas stay industrial, while certain corridors such as Queens Plaza and the waterfront that has since turned residential be upzoned even more to create high density areas, so that there wouldn't be a need to displace any industries in the future.

6 to 12 stories is ridiculously wasteful and inefficient use of these valuable lands. Should at least be twice or three times that. These places are usually one or two subway stops to Manhattan.

So naturally instead of doing that, City Planning listens to NIMBYs and does just the opposite and even downzones Dutch Kills!

kyle
August 4th, 2008, 11:33 AM
Love that little Wine Bar/Antiques store that hasn't opened yet in the 'Established' photo. What a combo!:D

NYC4Life
August 4th, 2008, 01:00 PM
Updated On 08/04/08 at 08:40AM
Developer building rooftop rink in LIC


Erik Ekstein, a developer and hockey fan, is building a dome-enclosed ice rink in Long Island City that is slated to open by October. City Ice Pavilion, being built atop a building on 32nd Place between 47th and 48th avenues, will be encased in an inflatable white dome that will be taken down in the summers

sfenn1117
August 4th, 2008, 10:35 PM
Newly cleared site on 45th ave:
http://i37.tinypic.com/2yy6ntc.jpg

From steel skeleton to completed in one year....and it's a snoozer.
http://i33.tinypic.com/fxgtjq.jpg

This site is still up for sale:
http://i37.tinypic.com/97ry2s.jpg

But a new site across the street is freshly cleared:
http://i37.tinypic.com/rkocr7.jpg

Getting ready for Rockrose's 38 story residential, the little red building is long gone
http://i38.tinypic.com/2j5yvls.jpg

10 Court Square, a proposed 1 mil sq ft office tower (On the site of the bank of america branch?):
http://i34.tinypic.com/30iknpk.jpg

The website says build to suit, so I think these renderings are placeholders:
http://i34.tinypic.com/1z6tikl.jpg

This rendering has a preview of of Rockrose's big residential, doesn't look good
http://i34.tinypic.com/10ofghj.jpg

Purves St rising...
http://i35.tinypic.com/pxiwy.jpg

http://i34.tinypic.com/vyuqzk.jpg

sfenn1117
August 4th, 2008, 10:46 PM
Scarano's building with nice glass:
http://i34.tinypic.com/21ab9yc.jpg

But of course it has to have a blank wall
http://i38.tinypic.com/1zquceo.jpg

Newly cleared site to the east of 44-27 purves, at 44-35. NB permit for a 30 story building by Fractal architecture
http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/JobsQueryByNumberServlet?requestid=4&passjobnumber=410047426&passdocnumber=01
http://i36.tinypic.com/fod6gx.jpg

And on the other side of 44-27, at 44-15, a NB permit for a 14 story building by Kaufman
http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/JobsQueryByNumberServlet?requestid=4&passjobnumber=410034966&passdocnumber=01
http://i36.tinypic.com/sfx8jb.jpg

And across the street and across to Thomson ave, at 28-23, a NB permit for a 31 story building
http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/JobsQueryByNumberServlet?requestid=4&passjobnumber=410072987&passdocnumber=01
http://i35.tinypic.com/18hc2g.jpg

Another newly cleared site, not sure what street
http://i37.tinypic.com/f0ww15.jpg

The garage FINALLY being demolished.
http://i35.tinypic.com/2hoy3au.jpg

Zooming in on the Star Tower site, 25 story residential (already being marketed)
http://i36.tinypic.com/auh76f.jpg

sfenn1117
August 4th, 2008, 10:58 PM
Queens Plaza East site, newly cleared at 30-11 Queens Blvd, NB permit for a 26 story, 338' residential building by a no name firm
http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/JobsQueryByNumberServlet?requestid=2&passjobnumber=402284675&passdocnumber=01
http://i35.tinypic.com/29kqlia.jpg

Looking at Queens Plaza North
http://i35.tinypic.com/xoh93a.jpg

Empty lot at 29-07 Queens Plz N, NB permit for a 23 story hotel by Ashihara architects
http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/JobsQueryByNumberServlet?requestid=4&passjobnumber=402539357&passdocnumber=01
http://i35.tinypic.com/25utuo8.jpg

And at 29-21 Queens Plz N, NB permit for a 16 story hotel by Ashihara
http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/JobsQueryByNumberServlet?requestid=4&passjobnumber=410046971&passdocnumber=01
http://i35.tinypic.com/34eomr5.jpg

A new building will go up to the left of this one, at 29-37 41 ave, NB permit for a 16 story/220' hotel by cetra/ruddy
http://i35.tinypic.com/5e5mid.jpg

http://i36.tinypic.com/2py9awk.jpg

sfenn1117
August 4th, 2008, 11:07 PM
Dutch Kills continues to see development, this site is newly cleared:
http://i36.tinypic.com/9is9ax.jpg

http://i33.tinypic.com/256xuds.jpg

http://i33.tinypic.com/azgt8k.jpg

Mcsam...you CAN do better...here is the proof
http://i36.tinypic.com/2zi3dwp.jpg

Neighborhood in transition
http://i36.tinypic.com/2wedtsm.jpg

Not even sure where these next few development sites are:
http://i36.tinypic.com/2lwk36g.jpg

http://i38.tinypic.com/257d8ib.jpg

http://i36.tinypic.com/2cpz3w7.jpg

http://i34.tinypic.com/2meyecw.jpg

sfenn1117
August 4th, 2008, 11:16 PM
Crescent club rising high
http://i37.tinypic.com/x6t0w.jpg

But under tight wraps
http://i34.tinypic.com/20qhpb5.jpg

Small 8 or 9 story building rising here
http://i37.tinypic.com/w9jj3r.jpg

Awful new building on Crescent st
http://i38.tinypic.com/taq7ab.jpg

Two different eras of construction
http://i35.tinypic.com/n15gtj.jpg

http://i34.tinypic.com/288scn4.jpg

http://i33.tinypic.com/elstj.jpg

Still no retail in the bottom of View59, shocked a bank hasnt snatched it
http://i37.tinypic.com/ekn7rs.jpg

http://i34.tinypic.com/2ntuvma.jpg

The site of the proposed 50 story Fischer building, we'll see if it happens
http://i37.tinypic.com/2eyw9cw.jpg

A couple more to post tomorrow, mainly from the roofdeck of East Coast 1....

antinimby
August 5th, 2008, 04:04 AM
Something clearly is wrong with this city when they'd tear this down...:(

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2133/2343030121_6b7ce1c17a.jpg


...and at the same time, put this absolute piece of garbage up...:mad:

http://i33.tinypic.com/fxgtjq.jpg

This city is so retarded.

BrooklynLove
August 5th, 2008, 07:27 AM
Go LIC. If all of these new condo units come to fruition over the next 2-3 years, there are going to be some fantastic entry points for long-term investment. However, I definitely would not want to have bought in 2007 and need to sell in 2009-2010 in this area.

sfenn1117
August 5th, 2008, 11:51 PM
Newly cleared site on 45th ave:
http://i37.tinypic.com/2yy6ntc.jpg

This will be a seven story building:
http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/JobsQueryByNumberServlet?requestid=2&passjobnumber=402521455&passdocnumber=02

http://i34.tinypic.com/6521dj.jpg

philvia
August 7th, 2008, 10:12 PM
has there ever been any development interest around the small river/creek (i dont know the name) between brooklyn and queens? i think that has excellent potential for large water/pedestrian oriented development.

here is the area in question: http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=40.73825,-73.957536&spn=0.012161,0.019312&z=16

something like this?
http://i33.tinypic.com/s3dd3n.jpg
of course, very basic no details lol. lots of retail around the lower parts and mostly residential in the towers. extend manhattan avenue across and create a pedestrian bridge on the west side. a rail station is right on the north side of the site; as well as a couple new condo towers.
i think it would be nice for something like that there

BrooklynLove
August 7th, 2008, 10:51 PM
The answer is a resounding yes - there have been iterations upon iterations of plans. The latest for the Queens side is an income restricted residential development, and some kind of Karl Fischer development on the Brooklyn side (PS - Guttman owns a bunch of this real estate).

http://www.nycedc.com/Web/AboutUs/OurProjects/CurrentProjects/HuntersPointSouth.htm

http://www.kfarchitect.com/ -> Portfolio -> Multifamily -> 60 Commercial Street

philvia
August 8th, 2008, 01:45 AM
blah disappointing at best. way too much like BPC :confused: hope it DIES :)

BrooklynLove
August 8th, 2008, 07:40 AM
If NYC got the 2012 Olympics that southern portion of Hunters Point was to be the Olympic Village. Thank goodness the bid fell through b/c it would've killed me to move away last year knowing that the Olympics were coming in 5 years.

franklin
August 8th, 2008, 09:33 AM
Some interesting things could be done around the water at Anable area in LIC too.

http://www.mlaviano.com/urbn_02.html

kyle
August 8th, 2008, 01:45 PM
Nice! I believe Plaxall owns all those parcels too.

NYC4Life
August 20th, 2008, 12:54 PM
Updated On 08/19/08 at 04:53PM

Sales start at LIC's L haus

http://s3.amazonaws.com/trd_three/images/46801/Lhaus_exterior_articlebox.jpg (http://ny.therealdeal.com/assets/46801)

L haus



By David Jones

Prudential Douglas Elliman officially launched the sales campaign for L haus, a 122-unit luxury condominium in Long Island City that is being built by the Stahl Organization.

When completed in next year, the building's one-, two- and three-bedroom apartments will range from $500,000 to $1.5 million. The building at 11-02 49th Avenue and 11th Street is in Hunters Point, near the Pulaski Bridge and the No. 7 train.

Architect Centra/Ruddy designed a facade that includes green-hued cement fiber and corrugated metal fibers.

L haus (http://afinecompany.blogspot.com/2008/08/l-haus-shows-its-true-still-green.html) will include more than 17,000 square feet of amenities, including a 10,000-square-foot outdoor space that includes a rolling lawn with lounges, a table and grill. The roof terrace will include private cabanas and public spaces.

Also included in the building are a 1,700-square-foot fitness center, an 880-square-foot media room with 16 seats and a 575-square-foot yoga room.

"It has a contemporary design using industrial elements that pay homage to the area's former character," said Melina Starr, a director at Prudential Douglass Elliman. "It's not just another glass tower; it's not just another brick building."

She said a handful of other new buildings in the Hunters Point area are still selling, and she added that much of Long Island City's new development has already been absorbed.

Other new buildings nearby include a 40-unit condo building at 10-50 Jackson Avenue, a 38-unit rental building at 11th St and Jackson Avenue and the 43-unit Robert Scarano-designed Vere 26 (http://www.liqcity.com/new-development/it-lives-it-lives-mystery-scarano-building-manifests-as-vere26-condos) condo building.

Eugenious
August 26th, 2008, 10:53 AM
Was in Avalon or whatever you call it this past weekend and the roof deck is pretty nice but it was really windy so I cant see it being any more then a summer month novelty...

antinimby
August 27th, 2008, 08:06 PM
The Star tower just went with a cheaper design/façade. Where there were no AC vents before, now there are.

Original design:
http://curbednetwork.com/cache/gallery/3132/2803492836_1dd2c9a978_o.jpg

Now:
http://curbednetwork.com/cache/gallery/3158/2803493140_4cfd3671c4_o.jpg

http://curbednetwork.com/cache/gallery/2340/2803492966_a7a0df6d2a_o.jpg
renderings via curbed (http://curbed.com/archives/2008/08/27/lics_star_tower_changes_faade_gets_rendered_again. php)

BrooklynLove
August 27th, 2008, 09:53 PM
I wonder how much wiggle room these developers have in sale prices before their margins can no longer budge. I'd imagine that their lenders are riding them very hard now so wouldn't be surprised to see this go rental if sales stay sluggish for much longer.

antinimby
August 28th, 2008, 07:46 PM
According to the liQcity link below, there'll be a parking garage above this planned grocery store. A freaking parking garage? :mad:


When It Rains, It Pours: L.I.C. to Get Another Grocery Store in the Not-Too-Distant Future
Wednesday, August 27, 2008, by Izzy Grinspan

http://racked.com/uploads/2008_8_metfoods.jpg
[Image of the Mainco building via liQcity (http://www.liqcity.com/buzz/another-grocery-store-for-lic-metfoods-to-manifest-on-51st-ave)]

Hot on the heels of upscale lowercase supermarket foodcellar (http://racked.com/archives/2008/08/12/long_island_citys_longawaited_grocery_store_opens_ tomorrow.php) comes news of another place for Queens West to buy its groceries: Metfoods is coming (http://www.liqcity.com/buzz/another-grocery-store-for-lic-metfoods-to-manifest-on-51st-ave) to the middle of 51st Ave between Vernon and 5th Street. The Mainco elevator building currently on the site will be demolished, and the ground floor of the building that goes up in its place will house the market. Of course, it won't be done any time soon, but within two years, residents of L.I.C. will be able to choose between lush foodcellar produce and more reasonably-priced Metfood wares.

· Storecasting: Foodceller Opens Tomorrow, L.I.C. Finally Gets Groceries (http://racked.com/archives/2008/08/12/long_island_citys_longawaited_grocery_store_opens_ tomorrow.php) [Racked]
· Another grocery store for LIC: MetFoods to manifest on 51st Ave (http://www.liqcity.com/buzz/another-grocery-store-for-lic-metfoods-to-manifest-on-51st-ave) [liQcity]

NYC4Life
September 2nd, 2008, 08:45 PM
Updated On 09/02/08 at 04:21PM

Scarano project in LIC facing foreclosure


http://s3.amazonaws.com/trd_three/images/47901/Tower_56_articlebox.jpg (http://ny.therealdeal.com/assets/47901)
Tower 56 rendering


By Adam Pincus

A 20-story condo building planned for Long Island City and designed by architect Robert Scarano is in foreclosure proceedings, a New York-based bank reported in its latest quarterly filings.

Brooklyn firm Rosma Development's 120-unit project, known as Tower 56, is located a few blocks south of Court Square at 45-56 Pearson Street. Scarano's plans (http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/JobsQueryByNumberServlet?requestid=2&passjobnumber=402102407&passdocnumber=01) for the 321-foot tall tower were first submitted in 2005, and a permit was issued June this year.

A neighbor and an employee of a neighboring property said they saw no signs of a foundation being built.

The project owners, Tower 56 LLC, now owe $11 million on a mortgage secured in January 2005 from Intervest Bancshares Corporation, which is headquartered at Rockefeller Center.

The project's site is on a dead-end street north of the Sunnyside Rail Yards and two blocks from the Scarano-designed Vere (http://curbed.com/archives/2008/08/20/pulling_back_the_curtain_on_lics_vere.php%20) at 26-26 Jackson Avenue.

Intervest said in its June 30 quarterly report that the property, described as vacant land, was in foreclosure proceedings. As of March, the loan was in nonaccrual status (defined as being 90 days late or having stopped all payments).

Despite the financial troubles described by the bank, in June the owners signed an easement agreement with the city to allow the Fire Department to use a small portion of the property.

Calls to Scarano, the developers and the bank were not immediately returned.

NYC4Life
September 4th, 2008, 03:16 PM
Updated On 09/04/08 at 01:23PM

Judge reduces lien against Arris Lofts to $5.6 million



http://s3.amazonaws.com/trd_three/images/48581/arrislofts_articlebox.jpg (http://ny.therealdeal.com/assets/48581)
Arris Lofts


By David Jones

A New York State Supreme Court judge has reduced a lien filed by a contractor against the developer of Arris Lofts in Long Island City from $13.1 million to $5.6 million, after the developer filed a motion challenging the original claim.

Pavarini McGovern filed a mechanic's lien in August 2007, claiming it had been fired from the Queens project after a dispute over its construction.

Andalex Group affiliate TAG Court Square, the owner of Arris Lofts, entered an agreement with Pavarini McGovern in December 2005 to convert the former Eagle Electric Building at 45-31 Court Square North into a residential property.

After Pavarini McGovern became the general contractor for the $90.7 million project, it became embroiled in a dispute with TAG over the pace and quality of construction, and by February 2007 was issued a termination notice, according to court documents.

TAG Court Square, in a court filing, alleged that Pavarini McGovern "materially breached its obligations" by performing defective work, failing to properly coordinate the work of its subcontractors and abandoning the project.

Pavarini McGovern is a New York-based construction firm and an affiliate of Structure Tone Organization, which has $2.5 billion in annual revenue. In its counterclaim, TAG also named Structure Tone, which was hired in March 2007 to help Pavarini McGovern complete the project.

TAG Court Square alleges that the contractors walked off the job in August 2007 after a payment dispute, which forced the developer to hire additional contractors to finish the project. The developer claims it lost more than $30 million due to delays and poor quality of the work.

"They had issues with respect to payment," Harry Sacks, attorney for TAG Court Square, said. "They felt they were entitled to additional funds. Essentially, they tried to strongarm the situation."

Lawyers for Pavarini McGovern argue that the company never walked off the job, but was locked out of the site.

"Our view is we did not abandon the project at all," said Steve Charney, co-managing partner at Peckar & Abramson and attorney for Pavarini McGovern. "In August, we were locked out of the project and literally prevented from continuing."

The case is still in the discovery phase, and pretrial depositions are scheduled for November.

Pavarini McGovern officials were not immediately available for comment.

Judge Oren Kitzes ruled in late July that the $13.1 million lien would be reduced by $7.5 million, noting that TAG has since paid that amount to various subcontractors of Pavarini McGovern.

Tom Le, vice president and associate broker at Corcoran Group, said that Arris Lofts has sold about 90 percent of its 237 units, with about 25 remaining for sale.

Streeteasy.com lists 21 units at Arris Lofts available for sale at $756 per square foot, or between $795,000 and $2.2 million. Two apartments are listed for rent, including a one-bedroom for $3,000 and a three-bedroom for $5,500 a month. The development has recorded the priciest condo ever sold in Queens, a four-bedroom, 3,225-square-foot apartment that sold for $2.9 million in April, as The Real Deal reports (http://ny.therealdeal.com/articles/top-outer-borough-condos-long-island-city-rising) in its new issue.

BrooklynLove
September 5th, 2008, 07:40 AM
Deck chairs on the titanic for the residents of this building.

jrosa51894
September 11th, 2008, 09:14 PM
Just moved in to the new crib in bayside with the family. Went to check on my house in lic and to see how fast everything is moving along. OMG forget about a year ago. Guys look at how much contruction has been completed and started in just the last two months. The Core is rocking!!!!!!!!!!

NYC4Life
September 18th, 2008, 10:55 PM
New York Sun

Noxious Fumes Complaints Rise in Queens

By Special to the Sun | September 18, 2008

A building in Long Island City was evacuated for the second time in two days yesterday morning after occupants complained of a toxic odor.

One person was hospitalized and emergency workers evaluated 35 people on the scene after workers on the seventh and eighth floors of 3300 Northern Boulevard complained of noxious fumes, fire department officials said. On Tuesday, the building was evacuated due to similar reports of an odor and 13 people were hospitalized.

Tests so far have not indicated any hazardous chemicals in the air, city officials said, but monitoring continues. Investigators have focused on a nearby rail yard as the possible origin of the fumes, but testing so far has not been able to identify the source of the odor.

Council Member Eric Gioia (http://www.nysun.com/related_results.php?term=Eric+Gioia), who represents the district, said yesterday in an interview that he believed construction at the rail yards is behind the two evacuations.

"We've known for a long time that it's polluted land filled with toxic chemicals, and whoever is excavating has an obligation to use the utmost care," Mr. Gioia said. "It's unacceptable that people living and working in the neighborhood would be getting sick and have to wonder about the health effects of the air they're breathing."

antinimby
October 1st, 2008, 09:32 PM
Yes!




City OKs CUNY dorm

http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2008/10/01/alg_cuny.jpg
An artist’s rendering of the 12-story CUNY dormitory for hundreds of students
proposed for Fifth St. and 47th Ave. in Long Island City.


BY BRENDAN BROSH
DAILY NEWS WRITER
Wednesday, October 1st 2008 (http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/queens/2008/09/30/2008-09-30_city_oks_cuny_dorm.html), 12:13 AM

The city has green-lighted plans for a controversial new building that will house hundreds of CUNY students in Long Island City - ending a bitter, year-long feud between some locals and the developer.

The city Board of Standards and Appeals approved several variances last week to allow the project's developer, OCA LIC, to build a 12-story building at Fifth St. and 47th Ave.

The developer took advantage of a zoning loophole that allows a building to exceed height limits if it provides a community use.

"We're disappointed. We think the decision was premature," said Doug Otto, a lawyer who lives in the area. "The height is twice that allowed by the existing zoning."

Some residents were concerned that a "dorm" would turn the neighborhood into a transient community. But CUNY officials noted the new building will house only doctoral candidates who will live in there for up to five years.

The proposed building has been a lightning rod for controversy - with several major revisions during the planning process. An early plan called for a 20-story building.

Community Board 2 rejected the first formal proposal in November that called for a 13-story building with 169 apartments, 220 grad-student dormitory units and ground-floor retail.

The developer introduced a modified plan this year after community complaints.

"I don't think we ever really explained it well," OCA spokesman Sid Davidoff told the Daily News in April. "We're much more sensitive about what [Long Island City] is and what it hopes to be in the future."

In an effort to show its commitment to the neighborhood, Davidoff said OCA offered 6,000 square feet of space in the building to the Queens Council on the Arts, a major supporter of local artists in the borough.

The council will move from its cramped digs in Forest Park to the new building when it's completed.

"We intend to be good neighbors and a positive community member," said Hoong Yee Lee Krakauer, executive director of the council. "We want a place that is accessible by subway and major transportation. We want to be closer to the artists. For us, Long Island City is the best."

As Long Island City grows, some in the neighborhood fear that more developers will try to circumvent height restrictions.

It's unclear when construction will begin. The site still needs to be remediated because of its industrial past.

"I don't regret going through the process," said Tom Paino, head of the Long Island City Community, a group that opposed the project.

"We know a lot more now. We'll be much better prepared to fight something else like this in the future."

© Copyright 2008 NYDailyNews.com

antinimby
October 1st, 2008, 09:48 PM
12-story CUNY/residential project gets green light

http://images.zwire.com/local/Z/Zwire2731/zwire/images/31999_J230.jpg
A rendering of a view from 47th Avenue in
Long Island City of a proposed 67,000-square
foot combined graduate residence, gallery and
residential building, which cleared a major
zoning hurdle on Tuesday.
(photo courtesy of Studio V Architecture)



by Paul Leonard, Assistant Editor
09/25/2008 (http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=20137480&BRD=2731&PAG=461&dept_id=574903&rfi=6)

A new 67,000-square foot combined student residence, art gallery and residential building in Long Island City is a step closer to becoming a reality.

With Tuesday’s city Board of Standards and Appeals approval of seven zoning variances at 5-11 47th Ave., developers of an ambitious multi-purpose project have the green light to build tall in a neighborhood that’s quickly getting some height.

The board voted unanimously this week to waive building height restrictions for a 12-story residential complex, a six-story residence building for graduate City University of New York students and office space for the Queens Council on the Arts.

The approval comes more than a month after a contentious BSA meeting, with local residents voicing strong objections to the planned height and bulk of the development.

One of people against the project, Tom Paino, leader of a residents’ group calling themselves the Long Island City Community, expressed dismay about the board’s decision. “We just wanted this building to be in compliance with the zoning of all the other buildings in the neighborhood,” Paino said.

LICC did gain one concession from building developers O’Connell Associates. At a BSA hearing on Aug. 19, the builders promised to shave off one floor of the project’s residential component — with 12 floors planned to be built, instead of 13.

But that might not allay the fears of some in L.I.C. witnessing a boom in residential tower development that is slowly changing a low-rise industrial neighborhood into more and more into a mirror of Manhattan’s East Side, across the river.

However, proponents of the development hail the project as a rare collaboration between public, private and non-profit organizations, with many different benefits for the neighborhood. “We’re the only building going up in the neighborhood that has an arts component,” said Jay Valgora, principal at Studio V, the project’s architects.

The proposed development includes 6,000 square feet of combined gallery and office space for QCA, currently based in Forest Park — far from the borough’s cultural epicenter in L.I.C.

“Our relocation to the Long Island City community will allow us to expand opportunities for artists throughout the borough,” said Hoong Yee Lee Krakauer, QCA’s executive director.

Before any groundbreaking, developers plan to hire a contractor to perform environmental remediation on the site, with much of the L.I.C. waterfront contaminated with petroleum and other hazardous substances. When the cleanup will begin at the site remains unclear.

Copyright © 1995 - 2008 Townnews.com

antinimby
October 1st, 2008, 09:51 PM
I don't get it. According to earlier reports, the residential component consists of 169 apartments and another 200 for the students but how can they fit all that in a 67,000 sf building?

Derek2k3
October 2nd, 2008, 01:52 AM
12-story CUNY/residential project gets green light But that might not allay the fears of some in L.I.C. witnessing a boom in residential tower development that is slowly changing a low-rise industrial neighborhood into more and more into a mirror of Manhattan’s East Side, across the river.


O boy, put up a few 12 story buildings and you become Midtown Manhattan.
Fearmongering idiot. There are large swaths of low-rise industrial and suburban wastelands awaiting his presence all over the country.

nine
October 3rd, 2008, 06:36 PM
For those so inclined, there is a good large scale model of the Hunters Point section of LIC being shown at the current exhibition at the Center for Architecture.

kyle
October 5th, 2008, 07:07 PM
Where's that at?

nine
October 15th, 2008, 07:55 AM
It's part of +Housing Exhibition.

http://www.aiany.org/centerforarchitecture/exhibitions.php

NYC4Life
October 15th, 2008, 02:40 PM
On 10/15/08 at 12:11PM

Sixty-room hotel planned for LIC


http://s3.amazonaws.com/trd_three/images/53309/32-47_Queens_Boulevard_articlebox.jpg (http://ny.therealdeal.com/assets/53309)
32-47 Queens Boulevard



By Adam Pincus

A Queens family bought a two-story building on a 10,000-square-foot corner lot in Long Island City for $3.8 million, according to the broker on the sale, and plans to build a 60-room hotel at the site.

The 14,375-square-foot building at 32-47 Queens Boulevard at 33rd Street was occupied by scaffold supply company Scaffolding Solutions, which vacated the property a day before the October 7 closing, said Stephen Preuss, a director of sales in the Queens office of Massey Knakal Realty Services, who brokered the deal.

The buyer was the Chen family, owner and operator of two Flushing hotels, Preuss said. The sellers were principals in the scaffold business, he added.

The site is east of Queens Plaza (http://ny.therealdeal.com/articles/more-hotels-checking-into-long-island-city-2), which is nearby the future home of two boutique hotels and a budget hotel. Two blocks west of the Chen site, Sam Chang opened a Days Inn at 31-36 Queens Boulevard last year.

The Chens expect to demolish the building in the next six to 12 months and build a hotel of at least three stories, Preuss said. The family will own and operate the hotel, which will likely offer limited services, he noted. The Chens have not yet filed demolition or new building plans with the city.

The Chens "are looking to capitalize on the growth of Long Island City and Astoria, and catch some of the crowd that doesn't want to pay $300 to $400 a night in Manhattan," he said. The site is across the street from the 33 Street/Rawson Street stop on the No. 7 train.

brianac
October 17th, 2008, 05:50 AM
New Building to Be Home for the Health Department

By CHARLES V. BAGLI (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/b/charles_v_bagli/index.html?inline=nyt-per)
Published: October 16, 2008

The Bloomberg administration and Tishman Speyer Properties have struck a deal to move the city’s Department of Health and Mental Hygiene and 2,700 of its employees to a planned $316 million office building in Long Island City, the first phase of a large-scale project designed to bolster a nascent business district in Queens.

The project, called Gotham Center, has been in the planning stages for more than three years. It is near Queens Plaza, at 28th Street and Thomson Avenue, where a six-story municipal garage now sits. Work has begun on demolishing that garage, widely considered to be an eyesore.

Tishman Speyer completed the financing for the 21-story building last week and signed a lease with the health department.

“I’m so pleased we finally got here,” said Deputy Mayor Robert C. Lieber.

“I think this is going to be huge for Long Island City. Hopefully, it will bring a vibrancy and more people to the area and catalyze the development” of more retail and service businesses.

The city has wanted to create an office district in Long Island City for companies unwilling to pay higher Midtown Manhattan rents. It is using government offices to anchor the project with the hope that private companies will follow. The move would also be enable the health department to consolidate some of its operations in more modern space, officials said.

Citigroup built a 48-story tower nearby in the 1980s, and a second, smaller tower was recently completed across the street. But Long Island City has not quite caught on as an alternate commercial district.

The new building would be the first step in Tishman Speyer’s plan for 3.5 million square feet of housing, office and retail space. The Modell sporting goods family, which had owned some of the land, is a partner.

The Bloomberg administration has been eager to promote new development projects, especially now that the economy has slowed after a long boom and developers are finding it almost impossible to get financing, delaying a number of projects.

Tishman Speyer obtained financing from Wells Fargo for the Long Island City building, which will be occupied solely by the health department under a 20-year lease. The city comptroller, William C. Thompson Jr. (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/t/william_c_jr_thompson/index.html?inline=nyt-per), said on Thursday that two municipal pension funds were also investing a total of $18.6 million as part of an ongoing agreement with Tishman Speyer to back some of Tishman’s New York projects. He said the deal had benefited the city and the pension funds.

“We applaud the city’s commitment to development, especially in this environment,” said Rob Speyer, co-chief executive of Tishman Speyer.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/17/nyregion/17tishman.html?ref=nyregion

Copyright 2008 (http://www.nytimes.com/ref/membercenter/help/copyright.html) The New York Times Company (http://www.nytco.com/)

Stroika
October 17th, 2008, 10:07 AM
From Curbed:
http://curbed.com/archives/2008/10/17/long_island_city_megaproject_is_healthy_happening. php#more
Long Island City Megaproject is Healthy, Happening


Friday, October 17, 2008, by Joey
http://curbed.com/uploads/2008_10_gothamcenter.jpg
Tishman Speyer's years-in-the-making megadevelopment near Queens Plaza in Long Island City, called Gotham Center, appears to be moving forward. Well, at least the first phase—a 21-story office building where a six-story municipal garage currently stands—is in motion, while the rest (housing, retail) is still up in the air performing some sort of circling pattern. The Times reports (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/17/nyregion/17tishman.html?_r=1&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss&oref=slogin) that the city has signed a lease to move the Department of Health to the office building at 28th Street and Thomson Avenue, a total of 2,700 employees.
Tishman Speyer had been looking for an anchor tenant (the above is an ad that ran on the back cover of Crain's) before it broke ground, but with tons of office space at the WTC and Hudson Yards and elsewhere around the corner, it was unclear if Gotham Center would ever happen. But the rent is cheaper in LIC, and the city bit. The DOH rumor was first floated by The Real Deal (http://ny.therealdeal.com/articles/big-tishman-project-moves-forward-in-long-island-city) in May. Charles Bagli writes, "The city has wanted to create an office district in Long Island City for companies unwilling to pay higher Midtown Manhattan rents. It is using government offices to anchor the project with the hope that private companies will follow." A dangerous bet in these harsh economic times, no?

BrooklynLove
October 18th, 2008, 12:20 PM
this will be the 4th econ cycle since citi arrived and now with metlife leaving citi is still the only significant private sector occupant in 20 years. good luck getting companies now over downtown bk and JC.

ASchwarz
October 19th, 2008, 01:41 AM
this will be the 4th econ cycle since citi arrived and now with metlife leaving citi is still the only significant private sector occupant in 20 years.


Wrong. MetLife never left. They only moved their top executives to Manhattan. The rest of the workers are all in Long Island City.

And there are other new companies. The United Nations Credit Union is probably the biggest, but there are others. Oh, and Citi has added a second tower, and a third will eventually be built.

Two other city agencies are negotiating for LIC space. There are already two existing city agencies in LIC, so there would be five if the two new ones join DOH and move to LIC.


good luck getting companies now over downtown bk and JC.

Long-term, LIC is a MUCH better location than either. Midtown is the region's center, and LIC is one stop from Midtown. Downtown BK and JC are not convenient to Midtown.

Mark my words, 25 years from now, LIC will be the second largest business district in the region. It's the only logical extension for Midtown. It will have a NE corridor Amtrak/LIRR rail station in Sunnyside Yards, it will have the convention center, and it will have a bigger corporate and residential base than either downtown BK or JC.

Just wait till the Sunnyside Yards are developed. It'll be bigger than Hudson Yards.

BrooklynLove
October 19th, 2008, 08:17 AM
^Once Metlife irons out the tax situation they're out of there entirely. Citi may be building but they won't be filling all of that space - they're actually scaling back their numbers in LIC. Govt agencies aren't something to hang your hat on.

I'd love to see your visions come to fruition but none of that's going to happen until after downtown BK and JC are completely filled out - they're both so much further down the path re committed money, political goodwill and existing development.

brianac
October 20th, 2008, 05:30 PM
Updated On 10/20/08 at 04:00PM

Five residential buildings could come to LIC waterfront

http://s3.amazonaws.com/trd_three/images/53718/hallets_cove_articlebox.jpg (http://beta.therealdeal.com/assets/53718)

Hallets Cove

New Jersey real estate firm Lincoln Equities has a contract to buy five parcels of land in Hallets Cove on the Long Island City waterfront, and hopes to build 2,400 residential units there. The project requires zoning to be changed from manufacturing to residential use, and formal plans are expected to be submitted to the city by the end of the year. Lincoln Equities hopes to bulldoze several warehouses and build five residential buildings, one of which is 40 stories tall.

More at: [NYDN] (http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/queens/2008/10/19/2008-10-19_nj_firm_seeking_to_build_2400_housing_un.html)

http://beta.therealdeal.com/articles/five-residential-buildings-could-come-to-lic-waterfront

© 2008 The Real Deal

antinimby
November 3rd, 2008, 08:28 PM
New Look for Major Avenue in Queens

http://newyork.construction.com/images/2008/10_Jackson-Ave-1.jpg http://newyork.construction.com/images/2008/10_Jackson-Ave-2-courtesy-o.jpg
The project improvements to Jackson Avenue will include roadway realignment and
resurfacing, streetscape improvements and amenities, new lighting, a landscaped median
and the improvement and expansion of several open spaces in and around Jackson Avenue.
Renderings courtesy of NYCEDC.


October 2008 (http://newyork.construction.com/news/redevnews/default.asp#2)

Jackson Avenue in Long Island City is currently lined up for a major redevelopment project, according to the New York City Economic Development Corporation.

“The Jackson Avenue Streetscape Improvement project aims to transform the central spine of Long Island City’s Central Business District into an attractive and enhanced landscaped boulevard,” said Libby Langsdorf, senior associate in Public Affairs at NYCEDC. “The physical improvements aim to further enhance the district's image and attract continued development in the area.”

The project improvements will include roadway realignment and resurfacing, streetscape improvements and amenities, new lighting as well as a landscaped median. The project also includes the improvement and expansion of several open spaces in and around Jackson Avenue. The parameters focus on Jackson Avenue from Queens Plaza to 21st Street and open spaces on Hunter’s Street.

Stantec, who is responsible for more than 90% of the work, provided landscape architecture, civil engineering, traffic engineering, lighting design and public art consulting for the design of streetscape improvements. The design creates a cohesive streetscape and establishes Jackson Avenue as a major corridor within Long Island City's Central Business District, according to Stantec.

“We prepared all the schematic plans for the streetscape project because the project has been broken up into phases, and there are other capital project that effect this one, and how it will ultimately look,” explained Gary Sorge, the principal in charge of the project at Stantec. “What is really behind the project is revitalizing Long Island City; a lot of things are being underutilized.”

The $825,000 project is slated for completion in September 2010.

© 2008 The McGraw-Hill Companies, Inc.

NYC4Life
November 11th, 2008, 05:24 PM
Curbed.com

Long Island City's New Prison (Oops, Make That 'Prism')

Tuesday, November 11, 2008, by Joey

http://curbed.com/uploads/2008_11_prism.jpg

Though its location leaves something to be desired, the new Long Island City condo building One Hunters Point was such a hit across all demographics (http://curbed.com/archives/2007/10/01/bubblemania_returns_to_long_island_city.php) (of real-estate-buying New Yorkers) that we're really not surprised another condo building is sprouting up next door on Borden Avenue. But what is this mystery building? Broker-blogger Andrew Fine (http://afinecompany.blogspot.com/2008/11/lic-prism-condo-with-light-show.html) has the scoop, and it's a doozy. Folks, we've got a Gilman on our hands. You might recall a previous design drawn up by Gilman Architects (http://gilmanarchitects.com/index.html), the mind-exploding Lite-Brite spectacular known as Park Tower (http://curbed.com/archives/2008/03/06/plgs_glassy_park_tower_revealed.php) in Prospect-Lefferts Gardens. But that one is still MIA, so LIC's "The Prism" (working title) is basically a condensed version, 81 units in a glassy tower 125 feet tall. The details are a little wacky—this is Queens after all—so join us after the jump for the rundown.


Fine writes:

This is no ordinary condo- this one comes with a 24 hour color light clock. As you can see from the rendering (which will soon be updated), there is a gap in the middle of the building that gives the illusion of a twist. That gap will be filled with a 24 hour light display with one color for every hour.
If the light show isn't enough, Fine also reports that the building will have a "water feature with a bridge to the lobby." Um, like a moat? Please, God, tell us there's a moat! And while this all may sound a little silly given current market attitudes/depression, we like Fine's take on The Prism: "The project is imaginative and the antithesis of the plain jane condos that have become all too common in LIC. For once, it looks like the creative spirit of LIC may be properly reflected in one of its projects." But will imagination equal sales?

BrooklynLove
November 11th, 2008, 10:21 PM
The reporters who write about LIC are either in absolute denial, ignorant or just lying - these buildings are struggling to sell more than 60% of units and more keep sprouting up. if the economy doesn't turn around soon (not likely) this is shaping up to be a disasterous glut of supply in this area. basically if you bought here w/n the last year and financed 90% you're already underwater, and still sinking.

NYC4Life
November 13th, 2008, 08:22 PM
Crain's New York

November 13. 2008 4:31PM

Hunters Point South gets Council OK

The City Council on Thursday cleared the way for what would be the largest affordable housing development in New York since Starrett City opened in 1974.

Matthew Sollars (http://www.crainsnewyork.com/apps/pbcs.dll/personalia?ID=130)

The Hunters Point South project, which will turn a 30-acre waterfront site in Queens into a neighborhood filled with affordable housing, was approved by the City Council on Thursday, by a vote of 45-0.

Hunters Point South will be the largest affordable housing development in the city since Starrett City opened in 1974. It will transform the southwestern tip of Long Island City into a community that includes housing, retail space, an intermediate school and a waterfront park.

The project will include 5,000 apartments, 60% of which would be reserved for households earning between $55,000 and $158,000 a year. An adjacent privately owned parcel would be rezoned so that additional affordable units could be built, 20% of which would be for low-income residents.

The Bloomberg administration has positioned the development as a model for producing housing that will keep the middle class from leaving the city.

The project has also been hailed by the city’s unions, who struck a deal to get prevailing wage agreements for workers employed on the development.

Mike Fishman, the president of SEIU Local 32BJ, said the plan “lays the groundwork for a city-wide policy to ensure that future projects benefit the entire community and not just developers.”

Even with council approval, the project faces another hurdle. The city wants to create a tax-exempt organization to finance the project, but it’s unclear if the Internal Revenue Service and the mayor’s Office of Management and Budget will go along with that plan.



© 2008 Crain Communications, Inc.

Tectonic
November 15th, 2008, 10:52 AM
The reporters who write about LIC are either in absolute denial, ignorant or just lying - these buildings are struggling to sell more than 60% of units and more keep sprouting up. if the economy doesn't turn around soon (not likely) this is shaping up to be a disasterous glut of supply in this area. basically if you bought here w/n the last year and financed 90% you're already underwater, and still sinking.

Glut isn't such a bad thing if you're sitting on the sidelines.

BrooklynLove
November 15th, 2008, 06:54 PM
so you'll pay 10% less but at a much higher mortgage rate - great. the whole sidlines thing is a silly notion in nyc. these developers will rent units out before selling them for a deep discount - in fact many times they are obligated to do so under loan covenants.

jrosa51894
February 14th, 2009, 09:49 PM
Hey guys came to visit the old area and Wow there still building in the Lic Core has anybody heard of any new projects coming up?

BrooklynLove
February 14th, 2009, 10:39 PM
I assume you saw the garage coming down ...

jrosa51894
February 16th, 2009, 09:42 AM
Yes i knew that project is was underway. How about the Star building expanding its size. Also on 43rd ave i was called for a meeting at 40 rector because they are finally getting that project (Hotel) underway. in June. 12 stories there shooting for? (Nice). However its causing me a headache trying to rent out the old house (Apts) due to all of this construction? Any advice on any sites that are good other than craigslist for rentals?

zinka
February 16th, 2009, 11:15 AM
Wasn't there supposed to be some giant streetscape revamp of Queens Plaza with a new bike path and stuff? The latest articles I could find about it said it was supposed to be done around now. Anyone know the latest?

jrosa51894
February 16th, 2009, 11:51 AM
They have already begun they are working on the citystreets at court square right now

zinka
February 16th, 2009, 05:49 PM
Court Square is part of the Jackson Ave project. I'm asking about the Queens Plaza project, which is totally separate. Any news about Queens Plaza?

BrooklynLove
February 16th, 2009, 07:32 PM
However its causing me a headache trying to rent out the old house (Apts) due to all of this construction? Any advice on any sites that are good other than craigslist for rentals?

I think that your enemy is more supply deluge than construction. try ny times online and price low.

zinka
February 22nd, 2009, 10:34 PM
To answer my own question, it looks like the city is now soliciting bids for the Queens Plaza streetscape project. Bids appear to be due Feb. 29.
http://www.nycedc.com/Web/AVAILABLEPROJECTS/RFPsRFQsRFEIs/Queens+Plaza+IFB.htm

BrooklynLove
February 25th, 2009, 07:20 AM
How is the city paying for this?

zinka
February 25th, 2009, 06:18 PM
It has been in the capital budget for years.

BrooklynLove
February 25th, 2009, 09:01 PM
That's great. I repeat: how is the city paying for this?

zinka
February 27th, 2009, 05:21 PM
That's great. I repeat: how is the city paying for this?

Through taxes. The city is not bankrupt. It has cut some things, yes, but is avoiding the wholesale lack of investment that characterized the '70s budget crisis. In fact, Bloomberg's budget cuts don't seem to affect the capital budget much at all.

Plus, it's actually EDC, not the city proper. I'm not sure how their budget works, but it might be separate somehow.

BrooklynLove
February 27th, 2009, 09:36 PM
taxes - that's cute. a budget consists of cost and revenue projections. when the rev projections get slammed so do the costs.

zinka
March 1st, 2009, 12:23 AM
taxes - that's cute. a budget consists of cost and revenue projections. when the rev projections get slammed so do the costs.


If you're really concerned about where the funding is coming from, I suggest you read the city budget. Have fun with that.

In the meantime, this project is happening, fortunately.

(Also, by the way, construction costs are *way* down now because of the lack of demand, so this project may even come in under budget.)

BrooklynLove
March 1st, 2009, 07:52 AM
Zinka - a budget is a plan that is subject to change as necessary. You're completely out of touch with that reality. The city and state projected revenues have gone off a cliff, and projected costs are being adjusted accordingly.

Just use some common sense - the city has tons of currently necessary projects that it is scrambling to fund. Why would the city still spend on a project that is focused on future changes when the city is squeezed to meet its current needs?

To the extent any work gets done on this project in the near future it'll be very early stage and will sit in stall mode.

zinka
March 1st, 2009, 04:18 PM
Zinka - a budget is a plan that is subject to change as necessary. You're completely out of touch with that reality. The city and state projected revenues have gone off a cliff, and projected costs are being adjusted accordingly.

Just use some common sense - the city has tons of currently necessary projects that it is scrambling to fund. Why would the city still spend on a project that is focused on future changes when the city is squeezed to meet its current needs?

To the extent any work gets done on this project in the near future it'll be very early stage and will sit in stall mode.

I'm not sure why you think you know this. You're wrong. The project is moving forward, bids are out, and in a couple years it'll be done. If you disagree, find a legitimate source that says otherwise. Don't just conjecture.

BrooklynLove
March 1st, 2009, 07:02 PM
Common sense is not conjecture. Your RFP is gone now btw.

A RFP is nothing more than a request for offers, and is sometimes a way of seeing if a project would even be financially feasible.

zinka
March 1st, 2009, 09:11 PM
Common sense is not conjecture. Your RFP is gone now btw.

EDC always takes stuff off its website as soon as the bids have been received. One of the documents I downloaded says, in response to a Q&A from a contractor, that "Judy Bernard from EDC made the comment that the funding for the project is in place." You should feel free to call Judy Bernard at the EDC and ask her whether the funding is really in place.


A RFP is nothing more than a request for offers, and is sometimes a way of seeing if a project would even be financially feasible.In this case, it was a request for sealed bids, which were then opened in public.

In addition, http://lic.uber.matchbin.net/pages/full_story?hash=comments_1923396&page_label=home_top_stories_news&id=1923396&article-CB-Gets-New-Stuff%20=&widget=push&instance=home_news_2nd_left&open= states:
"The overall redevelopment of Queens Plaza is currently proceeding on schedule. The project is currently being put to bid, with a final decision expected to be made by the end of February. The development project remains one of the few fully funded projects in New York City. In addition to the construction project, the elevated train tracks will be painted in the fall."