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Kris
August 1st, 2004, 09:18 AM
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Kris
August 1st, 2004, 09:21 AM
August 1, 2004

MORNINGSIDE HEIGHTS

Dust-Up Over Center for Grant's Tomb

By ALEX MINDLIN

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The pavilion near Grant's Tomb was built in 1910 and overlooks the Hudson.

Just across Riverside Drive from Grant's Tomb, at 122nd Street, is a little colonnaded pavilion, modeled after a Greek temple, with a cliffside view of the Hudson. The tomb itself, renovated in the mid-90's, is a gleaming white; not so the pavilion, which is the brown of a rotting tooth, and partly hidden behind scaffolding and chicken wire.

This may soon change. Under the terms of a deal that will be the subject of a City Council hearing on Aug. 9, the city's Department of Parks and Recreation is seeking to yield partial ownership of the site to the National Park Service. In return the Park Service, which already oversees Grant's Tomb, would restore the hilltop pavilion, and also use its lower floor, which is below street level, as a visitor's center for the tomb. Long-closed bathrooms already on that floor would be fixed and reopened.

But the plan has its opponents, chief among them Michael Gotkin, a preservationist and landscape architect. "If they want bathrooms and a gift shop," he said, "they should be building a small free-standing pavilion adjacent to the tomb." Mr. Gotkin said that an elevator for the handicapped to be installed beside the pavilion would be ugly and block northward views from within, that the transfer to federal ownership would leave the city's Landmarks Preservation Commission powerless to protect the site, and that the pavilion is historically unconnected to the tomb.

"You can't see the tomb" from the pavilion, which was built for the views of the Palisades, he said. "We're on one of the highest points in Manhattan; that's why they're both here," he added. "They're not related physically or historically." The tomb was built in 1897, the pavilion in 1910.

The move would rid the tomb of book racks and museum displays that now occupy a corner of its giant, spare upper floor. "The tomb was originally built with no visitor services at all," said Steve Laise, chief of interpretation for the Park Service's Manhattan sites. "It was intended to be a very dignified mausoleum. Any intrusion of that kind is a compromise with the purpose of the tomb."

This is not Mr. Gotkin's first clash with the Park Service over the tomb, which had more than 67,000 visitors last year. In 1997, several years after the tomb was transferred to federal control, the Park Service tried to remove a long stretch of psychedelic, slightly garish mosaic benches, designed in the 1970's, that lined one side of the monument. Mr. Gotkin helped organize protests that ultimately stopped the removal.

Copyright 2004 The New York Times Company

professionalx
August 1st, 2004, 08:38 PM
He's nuts. The pavilion needs restoration, and getting the postcards out of the tomb makes perfect sense.

Kris
August 8th, 2004, 05:49 AM
August 8, 2004

THE CITY

Companion to Grant's Tomb, Now Dilapidated

To the Editor:

Contrary to a statement made in "Dust-Up Over Center for Grant's Tomb" (Aug. 1), the neoclassically styled pavilion overlooking the Hudson across the street from Grant's Tomb was carefully sited. Its lower level provided restrooms for visitors to the tomb. In 1910, when the pavilion was completed, Grant's Tomb received more visitors than the Statue of Liberty.

Installing an elevator for the handicapped would not be ideal for that historic structure, but there is a solution. The overlook is too small to be an adequate visitor center by itself, but if expanded underground beneath the street to accommodate additional facilities, it could be linked to a new entrance accessible to the handicapped and situated on the same side of the street as the tomb.

Either way, it only makes sense that the National Park Service assume ownership of the now run-down structure, which the City of New York fails to maintain. For that matter, the city has long neglected the pathways that it owns surrounding the tomb, and should grant the Park Service ownership of this land, too.

Frank Scaturro
New Hyde Park, N.Y.
The writer is president, Grant Monument Association.

Copyright 2004 The New York Times Company

czsz
December 1st, 2005, 04:31 PM
Some recent info:

Grant’s Tomb Still Neglected
By Lauren Melnick
Columbia Spectator

November 30, 2005


After years of neglect, recent attempts to restore the pavilion located at Grant’s Tomb remain unrealized.

Financial setbacks have plagued the project. The NPS initially budgeted $1.4 million for the project, but the lowest construction bid came in approximately $1 million higher.

As a result, the NPS had to revise the project in order to cut costs. In mid-October, they released new plans to contractors in hopes of securing an acceptable bid.

The National Park Service released plans more than 15 months ago to restore the rundown pavilion across the street from Grant’s Tomb, which houses the remains of Civil War General and former President Ulysses S. Grant, to its original design. The NPS proposed adding a handicap-accessible elevator, restrooms, and a visitor’s center, complete with a bookstore and historical displays.

“Ideally we can negotiate a bid, come to terms, and award a contract,” said Jim Pepper, superintendent of the National Park Service, Manhattan Sites. “We are currently reviewing the bids to see if we can get someone on board.”

Pepper said the NPS is currently working to finalize the job costs and assess the work that needs to be done, noting the importance of this project to the Grant’s Tomb site as well as the community as a whole.

“This is an important opportunity because it would mean the restoration of a beautiful building,” he said. “We’re working hard to see that this happens, but there is no way to know as of now.”

The Grant Monument Association, a non-profit organization that formally operated and maintained the tomb until 1959 when stewardship was ceded to the NPS, said that it is equally interested in seeing the renovations occur.

“We are thrilled that finally, after decades, attention has been paid to the tomb and pavilion,” said Ed Hochman, president of the GMA. “The sites originally had strikingly beautiful panoramic views. They are disgraces at this point.”

Hochman said his main goal is ensuring that the project gets the funding it needs.

“My only concern is that the NPS is given enough money to do the job right,” he said. “The problem lies in what you’re willing to pay for. If you see what the market will bear, you either have to raise the budget or forgo the project.”

infoshare
December 1st, 2005, 06:11 PM
Some recent info:

Grant’s Tomb Still Neglected
By Lauren Melnick
Columbia Spectator

November 30, 2005


After years of neglect, recent attempts to restore the pavilion located at Grant’s Tomb remain unrealized.

Financial setbacks have plagued the project. The NPS initially budgeted $1.4 million for the project, but the lowest construction bid came in approximately $1 million higher.





What? NYC cant find the resourses to save a Pergola, I just give up.

ZippyTheChimp
December 1st, 2005, 06:19 PM
It belongs to the NPS

infoshare
December 1st, 2005, 06:30 PM
It belongs to the NPS

OH, well. I mean - cant NYC do somthing about this (somehow take over the project or find local funding) the building is about to fall down: I am not exagerating, large sections of the roof are collapsing - I pass there regularly.

All I can (or should I say -will do) is post pics, so mabe it will get the attention it deserves.

This is just another of one of those things that baffles me about this city.

But, I'll have to live with it - but not without a little protest!

cheers

lofter1
December 1st, 2005, 07:35 PM
^ Calling Bette Midler ...

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Native_New_Yorker
December 1st, 2005, 08:11 PM
Financial setbacks have plagued the project. The NPS initially budgeted $1.4 million for the project, but the lowest construction bid came in approximately $1 million higher.

I can tell you. I'm an architect, know/have done classical work, and even $1.4 m is insane for this project. Let alone $2.4m. The foundation, structure, and finished stone are fine. They just need cleaning. And the roof is just wood and copper. The roof beams and copper sheating are rotten and have to be replaced. A 3 month job in good weather. $800k max with a 20% float. Sometimes contractors just see the City/Parks//NPS as a cash cow. Spending other people's money.

Maybe Columbia's Preservation department can get a studio involved with working on this in order to make it happen.

antinimby
December 1st, 2005, 11:04 PM
Reminds me of the famous Plymouth Rock Pavilion in Massachussetts:

http://www.mass.gov/dcr/parks/images/plgm.jpg

infoshare
January 17th, 2006, 06:05 PM
There has been some recent activity at the Grants Tomb pavillion.

The squatter who has been living in the lower level has been evicted and the entrance door boarded-up with a 'No Tresspassing' sign attached. Also, in the same lower level area; overgrown bushes where cut down, mattresses and debris removed, and the whole area cleaned-up.

I believe that the recent clean-up work done there may have been due to recent postings here in NYW. Whatever the reason I am glad to see the change.
The general public (no pun intended) can now go down an enjoy the view of the hudson river from the lower section of the pavilion.

Now, mabe the next flurry of activity there will come from "Bette Midler" and her renovation crew.

A Google base image of the Pavilion posted below. BTW - You cant tell from the graphic, but the Pavillion elevation is About 150 feet above the Hudson. This is a unique place that has been burried in sh*t for years - there is not excuse imo for nyc to have let this stand for so long. On a positive not - come up and enjoy view - now open for the first time in many years.

antinimby
January 17th, 2006, 09:00 PM
Squatters? Mattresses? Is that how we show our respect to our great Civil War hero and a former president, mind you? If it wasn't so shameful, it actually would've been quite funny.

lofter1
January 18th, 2006, 12:51 AM
A lot of our former Presidents deserve no better in the respect department (besides they get a life-time salary + perks -- seems that is "respect" enough).

ablarc
February 24th, 2008, 12:13 PM
The tomb building itself and most of its surroundings are serenely beautiful --a bit of a rarity in New York.

infoshare
February 24th, 2008, 12:20 PM
Any commentary will be appreciated but, this issue needs to be focused on the preservation of an Architectural Relic. But, as I said, I will post on this thread as often as I can and see what (if any) help wiredny can provide in the way of being a catalyst for change (http://www.wirednewyork.com/forum/showpost.php?p=79405&postcount=12) and ultimately bring about the 'much needed' restoration of this little Architectural Gem: The Pavillion At Grants Tomb. Any commentary, links, and photo contributions from other members would be greatly appreciated.

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brianac
July 21st, 2008, 04:57 AM
Urban Studies | Refurbishing

Echoes of Gaudí in a Place That Honors Grant

By JOSEPH HUFF-HANNON
Published: July 20, 2008

ON a bluff overlooking the Hudson River, a constant staccato tap echoes at Grant’s Tomb, the granite and marble mausoleum at Riverside Drive and West 122nd Street set off by classical white columns. Hard at work are half a dozen people fitted out in work goggles and armed with chisels and orange buckets of spackle. But it’s not the tomb that they are tapping away at.

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2008/07/20/nyregion/bench650.jpgJoseph Huff-Hannon
“It wouldn’t make sense anywhere else,” Pedro Silva says of the benches in Riverside Park.

Their focus is an elaborate series of colorful and curvy mosaic benches that surround the monument. The 17 connected benches, erected by artists and volunteers in the 1970s in what was described as the largest public art project in the country, have fallen into disrepair.

The exquisitely detailed works look as if they would be more at home in a fanciful public park in Barcelona, where Antoni Gaudí is the architect most associated with the city, than surrounding a presidential mausoleum. But the oddity of their appearance drew tourists to the monument at a moment when it was among the city’s least visited sites.

Now, though, nearly half the benches are chipped, faded or worn bare. In response, more than 40 artists and volunteers have begun restoring the benches during the last two weeks, replacing damaged tiles with newly donated ones. The restoration project is being coordinated by CityArts, the nonprofit group that originally commissioned the work.

“It’s a piece of the neighborhood,” said Pedro Silva, a 73-year-old Chilean-born artist and sculptor who oversaw the creation of the benches and whose artist son, Tony, now leads the restoration project. “It’s a very site-specific piece of art; it wouldn’t make sense anywhere else.”

Sauntering from bench to bench the other day, Mr. Silva pointed out the finer details of the seemingly endless array of whimsical images. “There are a lot of stories here,” he said. “We don’t want to lose them.”

One bench features an intricate sketch of a police officer giving a ticket to a cabdriver. Other images include an upside-down circus elephant, penguins and Eskimos on ice, and images from Medieval mythology, like dragons, a princess and a castle.

Mr. Silva recalled the communal spirit that imbued the project when 2,500 New Yorkers were involved in the construction and design of the benches from 1972 to 1974. “We had graffiti artists elbow to elbow with professors from Columbia,” he said.

One of the most popular works is what Mr. Silva calls the lovers’ bench, faded but still adorned with hearts and flowers and the voluptuous curves of a nude couple in repose. Facing the river, the bench is a favorite sunset-viewing spot for young couples.

“The guard tells me many people make use of this bench at night,” Mr. Silva said with a smile. “It serves a purpose.”

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brianac
March 11th, 2009, 01:20 PM
Grant's Tomb

Wednesday, March 4th 2009, 4:00 AM

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Military ceremonies on the 100th anniversary of Grant’s birth, April 1922

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Grant in temporary vault, awaiting relocation

Ulysses Grant settled in New York in 1879, an enormously revered man despite an unfortunate presidency that had left him broken and penniless, and at his death six years
later he remained so beloved that Americans took up a public collection to build him the nation's largest mausoleum. The illustrious general himself had desired burial at West Point, but his strong-willed widow, Julia, insisted upon Central Park instead; as it turned out, there were ordinances prohibiting that, and in the end she had to settle for Riverside Park.

Meanwhile, as the late Grant reposed in a temporary vault, it took fully 12 years to design and build his tomb, and what a tomb it was, a great Neoclassical thing much resembling Napoleon's, and in April 1897 a million New Yorkers and 60,000 soldiers turned out for its formal dedication on a holiday of pomp and pageantry unequaled in city history. And five years later there was yet another solemn municipal fete when Julia died and was planted alongside him, the two of them joined in everlasting rest. Mr. and Mrs. Grant's Tomb is today administered by the National Park Service, still one of America's grand monuments even if these years later relatively few visitors know much about its occupants.

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Bronxbombers
March 11th, 2009, 03:22 PM
I will stop by the tomb on my very very distant cousin Ulysess Simpson Grant while I will be in New York City. When will I have time to stop by his tomb?

brianac
February 24th, 2011, 04:35 PM
Any commentary will be appreciated but, this issue needs to be focused on the preservation of an Architectural Relic. But, as I said, I will post on this thread as often as I can and see what (if any) help wiredny can provide in the way of being a catalyst for change (http://www.wirednewyork.com/forum/showpost.php?p=79405&postcount=12) and ultimately bring about the 'much needed' restoration of this little Architectural Gem: The Pavillion At Grants Tomb. Any commentary, links, and photo contributions from other members would be greatly appreciated.


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Grant Pavillion (HDR) 30 January 2011

The Pavillion across from Grant's Tomb is nearly finished. I shot this in HDR to capture the details inside.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ennuipoet/5400972871/

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Lots more info on the original Overlook Pavillion HERE (http://www.grantstomb.org/xpl.html)
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brianac
February 25th, 2011, 10:01 AM
Thursday, February 24, 2011

☞ WALK: Overlook Pavilion Awaits Its Debut




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It appears that the derelict Overlook Pavilion at Riverside Drive and 125th Street has finally been restored but still awaits a spring opening. By the end of 2010, most of the plywood out front had been removed and now only a low-level barricade sections off the romantic rendezvous spot facing the Hudson. We also noticed that there are stairwells on either side of the structure that leads to another path below (middle photos).

Everything is roped off now but following the course on the upper level for about a block north, one will discover the other notable monument of the Amiable Child which is also the other hidden artifact of the area: LINK (http://harlembespoke.blogspot.com/2009/03/remember-amiable-child.html). It's a little out of way but this little section on the far west side is sort of a cool secret spot to traverse when one has bit of time on their hands. Check out what the pavilion looked like before in our past post: LINK (http://harlembespoke.blogspot.com/2010/08/architecture-overlook-pavilion.html)


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