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NYguy
September 27th, 2004, 07:10 PM
NEWSDAY...


Wang unveils plan for rebuilt Coliseum, 60-story tower

By Monte R. Young and Jamie Herzlich
September 27, 2004

New York Islander owner Charles Wang unveiled his vision for a $200 million "transformation" of the aging Nassau Coliseum Monday afternoon, and it includes additional seating and the construction of a athletic complex adjacent to the facility.

"What we are doing here is great for Long Island, great for New York. It will bring business and jobs to the area and dollars to the county and state," said Michael Picker, senior vice president of operations for the Islanders and the New York Dragons arena football team.


Calling it "The Coliseum At The Lighthouse," Picker said that Wang's "vision" for the area would also include developing the 72 acres surrounding the Nassau Veterans Memorial Coliseum. He said it would include "The Great Lighthouse," which will be a 60 story building with a 10,000 square foot observatory deck for sight-seeing with a hundred miles of unobstructed view.

Beneath the deck, will be the Grand Hotel at the Lighthouse, that will host a 5 star hotel with restaurants, ballrooms and sky terraces. The lobby of the hotel will be on the 40th floor and every room, officials said, will have an "incredible views." Beneath the grand hotel, will be luxury condominiums ranging from 2,000 to 5,000 square feet.

Picker said there is also a proposal to develop "The Residences At The Lighthouse, that will be a "affordable priced" mid-rise rental apartments in the heart of the Lighthouse and connected to the Athletic Complex and the Coliseum.

Financial details of the proposed plan by Wang, were sketchy. Picker said the major overhaul of the coliseum and construction of the athletic complex will be done with help from state, county and Wang. He would not release further details. Nassau County Executive Thomas Suozzi would not comment on the proposed plan.

Some members of the development community said Monday that the grandiose project still has to face many hurdles including county and town approvals.

"It's highly unlikely the Town of Hempstead will grant something like that becasue its contrary to most of the development on the Island," said Desmond Ryan, executive director of the Association for a Better Long Island, a developer's lobbying group. "The approval process is like root canal without anesthesia."

After all, EAB Plaza is only 15 stories high and the closest comparison would be the Citicorp Building in Long Island City with 50 floors. Town of Hempstead officials yesterday said it had not seen the plans and could not comment. Still, local real estate experts said it is common for developers to ask for more than they would get.

"They usually start out with something very dramatic with high levels of expectation," said Paul Amoruso, managing director of Oxford & Simpson in Jericho, which has developed office, retail and hotel projects. "Then negotiations begin. It's part of the whole process."

But, he added, f anyone could get something like this off the ground it would be Wang. "He's very well respected by government leaders," said Amoruso.

Aside from the tower proposal, the business community was upbeat about a revamped coliseum, which would include eateries and a retail component with at least 12 entertainment retail stores.

"What we see all over the country is the creation of suburban mixed use centers," said Robert Yaro, president of the Regional Plan Association, a research and advocacy group in Manhattan. "I think it has enormous potential."

As for the retail component, experts said Wang should try to differentiate the stores from others in the surrounding area given the close proximity of Roosevelt Field Mall.

Wang has continued to forge ahead on a new arena in Nassau County despite dropping out of the bidding for the New Jersey Nets late last year, when developer Bruce Ratner was given the rights to buy the team and move it to a site in downtown Brooklyn.

County officials have viewed a coliseum project as central to the redevelopment of the central Nassau Hub, which stretches from the EAB Plaza in Uniondale on the southeast to Roosevelt Field mall in Garden City on the northwest.

Suozzi has never unveiled any specific plans for redevelopoing the Coliseum or surrounding areas, but he's said plans would call for the construction of two industries along the lines of technology, financial services, computers or electronics. He's also said development of more entertainment and sports facilities were important.

To support the construction and development, Suozzi has said in the past that the county plans to ease traffic flow and build a transportation system that makes it easier to get to the Hub from New York City and other Long Island communities.

Many had remained encouraged that Wang might be able to bring a pro baskeball team to Long Island, and in doing so, boost chances for a significant redevelopment of the Coliseum. But Wang said the timing of the Nets sale clashed with the arena process.

NYguy
September 27th, 2004, 07:12 PM
NEWSDAY


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Charles Wang's proposed plans to renovate the Coliseum, rendering of the Sport Office.


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Charles Wang's proposed plans to renovate the Coliseum, rendering of the Lighthouse.


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Charles Wang's proposed plans to renovate the Coliseum, rendering of the Plaza.


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Charles Wang's proposed plans to renovate the Coliseum, rendering of the Residence.


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Charles Wang's proposed plans to renovate the Coliseum, rendering of Aerial Overview.

Gulcrapek
September 27th, 2004, 08:00 PM
Residences = yummy cool.

Lighthouse = incredibly freaky, especially if that beacon spins around.

Are these conceptual things or is there an architect?

NoyokA
September 27th, 2004, 08:40 PM
Wild!

NYguy
September 27th, 2004, 08:52 PM
I think the giant lighthouse kind of suits Long Island. It needs a visual landmark, whether the lighthouse is occupied or not. The observation deck alone makes it worth being built...


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Its the new trend in New York (and even Jersey). Arenas and stadiums must come with skyscrapers...

TLOZ Link5
September 28th, 2004, 02:03 AM
Holy smoke. What town is this in, again?

BrooklynRider
September 28th, 2004, 10:02 AM
Uniondale

TLOZ Link5
September 28th, 2004, 02:06 PM
The Lighthouse would be the tallest building in New York State outside of the City if it were finished.

BrooklynRider
September 28th, 2004, 02:14 PM
It will never get built at that height.

Johnnyboy
September 28th, 2004, 04:21 PM
i really hope it does get build. this thing is cool

fioco
September 28th, 2004, 05:02 PM
I think Brooklyn Rider is correct. Wang's first priority is renovation of the Coliseum and an influx of government monies. I suspect the "Lighthouse" tower is intentionally tall to get the goat of nimbys. When the tower height is lowered, or it spawns other, shorter towers, the nimbys will be proud of their success and Wang will get what he wants.

This area needs access to mass transit (besides bus). The LIRR stations are too far away and there are no North-South lines. As Nassau County becomes increasingly denser, the suburban fabric will become more urban in texture. To me, this project looks terribly suburban and car-centric.

RedFerrari360f1
September 28th, 2004, 05:50 PM
Did you see all those parking lots?!?! NOO more traffic on LI!!

TonyO
October 14th, 2004, 05:50 PM
NYTimes
October 14, 2004

Computer Mogul in Tentative Nassau Development Deal

By BRUCE LAMBERT

EAST MEADOW, N.Y., Oct. 13 - A computer magnate and Nassau's top county official signed a preliminary agreement on Wednesday for what could become the biggest property development in Long Island history, a $1 billion complex dominated by a 60-story tower that would be visible from Manhattan to Montauk.

But the agreement is far from receiving final approval, and the proposal has already prompted skepticism and outright opposition.

The issues range from the tower's height - more than double the island's tallest structure - to objections that the developer, Charles B. Wang, has the inside track to build on 77 acres of prime county-owned land surrounding the Coliseum in Uniondale.

At a news conference here, the Nassau County executive, Thomas R. Suozzi, signed an agreement to pursue the project with Mr. Wang, the founder of the software company Computer Associates.

"Nassau County couldn't ask for a better partner than Charles Wang," Mr. Suozzi said. He embraced the project as his own, calling it "a proposal from Charles and myself."

But critics say that only competitive bidding can guarantee getting the best concept, design, developer and financial deal.

A major developers' group, the Association for a Better Long Island, charged that Mr. Wang "creates an ethical quagmire if he refuses to participate in a public bid that establishes the best return on this property." The group added, "Dictating the height and density along with the price he will pay the taxpayer for the use of their land is not going to create a scenario that will ensure prompt approvals."

The County Legislature's presiding officer, Judith A. Jacobs, said: "I believe in a completely open process that leaves no question mark at the end. You never want to be accused of closing anybody out." She said she would insist on a thorough review and on hearings before any vote. Even so, she called Mr. Wang's proposal "exciting and innovative" and predicted that even if other proposals were made, he "would probably come out on top."

Another legislator, Lisanne Altmann, called for a full analysis of the costs and benefits.

Mr. Suozzi said that realistically, Mr. Wang was the only one who could carry out the entire deal. Supporters and opponents agree that he has a leg up as a co-owner of the Islanders hockey team and the Dragons arena football team, which play at the Coliseum. The proposed deal requires Mr. Wang to keep the teams there and help renovate and expand the aging Coliseum, which has been losing events and attendance. In return, he would develop the rest of the site under a 99-year lease.

The project, first reported two weeks ago, was formally introduced here with press kits, slides and a video trumpeting it as Long Island's answer to the Eiffel Tower, the Great Wall of China and the London Bridge.

The centerpiece Lighthouse tower would house a luxury hotel and condominiums and be capped by a giant spotlight and an observation deck. The plan also calls for a convention and exhibition hall, medium-priced apartments, a health spa, a sports technology and training center, a plaza, ice rinks, restaurants, shops, an amphitheater and a parking garage for up to 10,000 cars.

"The world's tallest lighthouse will put Long Island on the map in a way that's never been done before," the video narrator said, "with views that no one has ever seen before, hundred-mile views to the north, south, east and west, and downstairs 77 acres of fun, sports, culture and commerce. The Great Lighthouse will not only change the way the world looks at Long Island, it will change the way the rest of us will look at the world."

Despite the lofty narration, neighborhood groups have objected to the tower's height, more than twice that of Long Island's current tallest building, the 19-story Nassau University Medical Center.

Although the county owns the Coliseum site, the zoning is controlled by the Town of Hempstead, which could prove a major hurdle.

Another issue is traffic. The Coliseum area includes Nassau Community College, Hofstra University and the island's biggest office complex, EAB Plaza. Surrounding roads are jammed during the morning and evening rush and Coliseum events. Mr. Suozzi said redevelopment would prompt solutions, like light rail service and special bus lanes.

Some critics have questioned Mr. Wang's credentials as a developer, given the scope of the project. He made hundreds of millions of dollars before retiring as the founder of Computer Associates and since then has bought property to redevelop around his home in Oyster Bay and another site in Plainview. He said he gets his real estate expertise through "the very good people I surround myself with."

After Mr. Wang left Computer Associates, it was hit with numerous regulatory and criminal investigations. Sanjay Kumar, the chief executive officer who succeeded him and who is still a co-owner of the Islanders and the Dragons, was recently indicted on charges of conspiracy to commit securities fraud and to obstruct justice. Mr. Wang said that despite Mr. Kumar's partnership in the teams, he has no role in the development project.

clasione
October 22nd, 2004, 12:36 AM
WoW - That is super super nice.....

Kris
November 2nd, 2004, 09:26 AM
LONG ISLAND TOPIC

Does a skyscraper say 'Long Island'?

BY ANNE SURCHIN

October 31, 2004

What will be the Parthenon of Long Island, the thing we build that will symbolize this place to ourselves and to the rest of the world for all time?

The billionaire developer Charles Wang has proposed a sports, residential and business complex at the site of the decrepit Nassau Coliseum, the heart of which is a 60-story skyscraper dubbed "The Great Lighthouse."

This tower, intended to be as iconic for Long Island as the Empire State Building is for New York City, takes as its inspiration the Pharos at Alexandria, the lighthouse that was one of the Seven Wonders of the Ancient World. Promotional material makes comparisons to Paris and her tower, London and her bridge, China with its Great Wall. Long Island will have its Great Lighthouse - the world's tallest - miles away from the ocean. But why?

To create a representation of Long Island by referencing an ancient building of which there is no real physical record other than written descriptions from individuals like Pliny the Elder, seems totally disingenuous. Besides, to erect any structure as a pre-ordained monument is pure hubris. Structures become icons with time, because they have served a real purpose and fulfilled it in a novel way.

The implication behind the idea of an instantaneously created faux monument is that Long Island has no sense of identity. But nothing could be farther from the truth. As a 100-mile-long land mass, bigger than some countries, Long Island has an identity that has been defined both by its settlers and its topography.

Over 300 years, fishing and agrarian communities have given way to the automobile, suburbs and sprawl. That is our identity, albeit not very sexy. The question is how to extract what is good about it and recast it in a way that is appropriate for the future.

This is not to say that good architecture can't be self-referential, with borrowings from the past. In this case, though, the basic scheme for the complex is too many things for too many people. What it has to do with Long Island's, or better still, Nassau County's identity is not discernible.

Stand-alone skyscrapers, like the Williamsburg Savings Bank in Brooklyn and the Citicorp Building in Long Island City, can occasionally be jewels reaching for the sky. Their forms, however, appear natural and purposeful, and they are not tethered to a conglomeration of other structures, as is the case here.

One of the reasons the skyscraper evolved, of course, has to do with a shortage of land on which to build. As cities became dense, the only place to build was up. But that is not the case on Long Island.

Tall buildings also come with a host of technological complexities regarding security and life-safety. But more than anything, the urban model is hard to justify in the suburban setting.

Other tall buildings on Long Island, such as Nassau Medical Center, the D'Amato Courthouse in Central Islip, even the campanile water tower at Jones Beach, served singular purposes that dictated their size.

The Lighthouse, with no discernible street entrance, resembles a CD-storage tower with interlocking floors wedged into a full-length metal sheath. At the apex a high beam, more Cyclops than beacon, will project light into the night sky.

This is two buildings in one, a 20-story hotel with its lobby on the 40th floor and condominiums below. With 77 acres as a base, why not scale down the tower into several structures that could reflect a more human scale with open space. The promise of openness is, after all, the representative hallmark and symbolic identity of suburbia.

As proposed, the complex, whose other edifices are also idiosyncratic in their borrowings from history, cannot be divorced from the tower. But the buildings are not integrated with the Lighthouse.

The conference center has the curvaceous look of Jorn Utzon's Sydney Opera House blended with Eero Saarinen's TWA terminal at Kennedy Airport. The revamped Coliseum, with its façade seemingly wrapped by a curtain, resembles a Hollywood stage set complete with giant HD video screen projected toward the Amphitheater in an elliptical plaza reminiscent of the Capitol in Rome.

The connections to Long Island are in the details. To bring life into an inherently sterile space, multi-story canvas sails will offer protection from the elements and remind us of the Island's character. A 50-foot-tall ice and water sculpture will recall our relationship to water. Spinning wind turbines, commendably added for energy savings, are more akin to Long Island's heritage than just about anything else in the design.

What the project does not address are the age-old questions of architecture. It does not really examine the recasting of form, light, the making of spaces, circulation and movement and how these elements can be juggled to solve the issues of function and symbolism in unique ways. The real question is how to create an honest reality that can delight, inspire and serve to uplift the human spirit and, in turn, the local economy.

As is, it looks as if the Lighthouse will miss the boat.

Anne Surchin is a Sag Harbor architect. She is co-authoring a book about houses of the East End from 1880 to 1930, to be published in 2006.

Copyright © 2004, Newsday, Inc.

clasione
November 2nd, 2004, 04:58 PM
Sure beats the current look:
http://www.longislandexchange.com/nassau-coliseum.html

TLOZ Link5
November 2nd, 2004, 05:49 PM
Ms. Surchin is taking too highbrow an approach to this development. Every developer of a major project always extols his building as a potential enduring symbol or icon of the city/region/what have you; it's nothing new. Wang might be relatively more exuberant about his proposal, however; I'll concede that.

Surchin also voices her disapproval about the project because it conflicts with Long Island's "identity" of the automobile, suburbs and sprawl — which she herself shows distaste for. Why, pray tell, would she be advocating the preservation of an identity that she doesn't like?

Identities change over time. Remember that when Levittown was being built, the small-town farmers and fishermen who defined Long Island up until then were voicing the same sentiment — opposition to change — that Surchin is voicing now. As Surchin herself admits, Long Island has changed vastly from what it was 300 years ago. Why can it not change again?

tmg
November 13th, 2004, 09:47 PM
The New York Times
LONG ISLAND SECTION - EDITORIAL
To the Lighthouse

Published: November 14, 2004

Long Island, as the name suggests, is essentially horizontal. We live in a land of slabs and lawns, ranch houses and beaches. We don't do tall; we sprawl.

This is one reason Charles Wang's plan to redevelop the site of the Nassau Coliseum is so jolting. He wants to build a $200 million mega-plex - a mix of sports and entertainment venues, commercial space, retail stores and housing - and cap it with a 60-story lighthouse, featuring condominiums all the way up to an observatory and a flashing beacon visible for miles. At 600 feet, it would be more than twice as high as any other structure on the island.

Even people not necessarily inclined to like Mr. Wang's proposal have called it breathtaking. We, too, will give him that much. We admit to being impressed by his ambition, and we like the idea of giving that dreary part of Uniondale a dose of vitality and magnetism. That's the point, after all - the Wang plan is a critical part of County Executive Thomas Suozzi's goal to turn dumpy central Nassau into an economic engine for the region.

But we also admit to having some nagging questions:

1. What gives Mr. Wang, a software entrepreneur who has never built anything of consequence anywhere, the inside track to develop a 77-acre parcel that is probably the most valuable piece of real estate on Long Island? Mr. Suozzi has a simple answer: the project, he says, is not about lighthouses, it is about saving the Islanders hockey team, and the only developer who could afford to do that - while also investing the hundreds of millions necessary to refurbish the coliseum and surrounding property - is Mr. Wang, the principal owner of the team.

2. Doesn't the sale of public land require the county to request proposals from other developers? Mr. Suozzi says the county charter is clear: a request for proposals is not required and he will not do it. Mr. Wang is his man for the reasons above and soliciting bids, he says, is a time-wasting charade.

3. With or without a public bidding process, can the project remain open and aboveboard?

4. Does Mr. Wang have the appetite to see this through? Other developers have been quick to list the hurdles awaiting a project this huge, like traffic surveys, environmental impact studies, even approval from the Federal Aviation Administration, because the lighthouse is so tall. The Town of Hempstead has final say over zoning. Will the hard-charging Mr. Wang have the patience to do the wooing and wheedling necessary to get all his permits in place?

If all these questions are answered satisfactorily, there is still the matter of whether Long Island is ready for this. We think Mr. Suozzi is right when he says that an economic hub like this is needed to keep the rest of suburbia - single-family homes, lawns, quiet streets - viable.

The soaring lighthouse may still be a tough sell. But the goal here is important enough to be worth pursuing - with plenty of additional investigation and public input.

NoyokA
July 15th, 2005, 12:28 PM
Newsday:

Wang's world Islanders’ owner Charles Wang says politics are delaying his Coliseum site project
BY MONTE YOUNG

July 15, 2005

Even as he unveiled a modified plan for redeveloping the Nassau County Coliseum site that features a 60-story office tower topped with a sphere, Charles Wang said he is frustrated by delays in the approval process and might scrap the entire plan.

Wang, owner of the New York Islanders hockey team, pulled up short of saying he would look elsewhere for a new home for his team. But, in a rare interview, he said election-year politics in the county, and what he characterized as lawmakers' slow response to his project, was "frustrating."

When asked if he was losing patience and might scrap his proposal, Wang said, "I'm not at that point, but I'm close."

In his plan for the 77-acre site, first announced in September, Wang said he was now proposing only one substantial change: replacing a controversial beacon at the top of the tower with a huge sphere that would serve as an observatory. He also disclosed modifications inside a new athletic center that would include a multi-level ice rink.

For the project to move forward Wang needs approvals from the Nassau legislature and zoning changes from Hempstead Town. It is that process, Wang said, that he believes has taken too long. While not singling out any Nassau lawmaker, Wang said he was hurt by comments critical of the project from former Sen. Alfonse D'Amato.

Told of Wang's comments, Nassau Executive Thomas Suozzi, a Democrat, said he sympathized with anyone trying to get a project through county government.

"I understand that the pace of government is very frustrating," Suozzi said. "Welcome to my world."

In the legislature, Presiding Officer Judy Jacobs (D-Woodbury) said: "The Islanders are important to our economy. But there's a long road between a dream and reality."

Edward Ward, a spokesman for Minority Leader Peter Schmitt (R-Massapequa), said, "A project of this magnitude changes the footprint of the county," adding that the approval process takes time.

Wang singled out D'Amato's comments from March that the "Lighthouse" project would turn Nassau into the "Sixth Borough" of New York City.

"It saddens me ... to see this being politicized," Wang said. "This is not a Suozzi project. It is not a Republican or Democrat project. This is a Wang project.

In September, Wang proposed a $200-million "transformation" of the aging Nassau Coliseum that included additional seating, an athletic complex adjacent to the facility and a 60-story hotel-condominium tower topped by a beacon that could be seen for miles.

The co-founder of Computer Associates said his designers replaced the light with a sphere that would act as an observatory open to the public.

Criticism was not centered only on the lighthouse design. Some Republican lawmakers sharply criticized Suozzi for entering into a deal with Wang to develop the site before obtaining an independent appraisal of the property's value.

"He grabbed a lot of headlines here and produced nothing," Gregory Peterson, a Republican who is running for county executive, said of Suozzi. "You have to do things with substance. It's a shame to treat somebody like Mr. Wang this way. He deserved better."

But Suozzi said he negotiated the best deal with Wang. "I want to make this clear, if someone has a better idea, I'm requesting their proposals," he said.

As for D'Amato, who once called Wang "a great entrepreneur and a friend," he characterized Wang's proposal yesterday as "a nonsense plan at this point...

"There's little if any chance, in my opinion, that a plan that as the centerpiece calls for a 60-story tower will be approved," D'Amato said.

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I love the tower!

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An artist's rendering of the New Coliseum Bowl that is part of a Charles Wang's proposal for new design of Nassau Coliseum and its surrounding area.

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An artist's rendering of the courtyard that is part of a Charles Wang's proposal for new design of Nassau Coliseum and its surrounding area.

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An artist's rendering of the lighthouse tower that is part of a Charles Wang's proposal for new design of Nassau Coliseum and its surrounding area.

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An artist's rendering of the athletic complex that is part of a Charles Wang's proposal for new design of Nassau Coliseum and its surrounding area.

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Charles Wang, Islander owner and land developer, talks about the Hub deal in his office.

NewYorkYankee
July 15th, 2005, 08:05 PM
NYC needs a building like that.

TLOZ Link5
July 15th, 2005, 11:39 PM
NYC needs a building like that.

Too Shenzhen for my taste.

pianoman11686
July 15th, 2005, 11:54 PM
I was thinking along the same lines. I think it would actually fit better in Shanghai.

macreator
July 16th, 2005, 01:31 PM
Well, if Wang can't build it in Long Island, I hope he looks West-ward perhaps to Queens or Brooklyn or perhaps more interestingly, Staten Island which could use a nice tall landmark.

I know it's totally unviable but it would be cool nonetheless, no? :)

NIMBYkiller
July 21st, 2005, 10:50 PM
I like the idea of refurbishing Nassau Coliseum and some other aspects of Mr. Wangs plans, but for the most part, I think they are far too outlandish to be accomplished. Perhaps a mix of Wang's plan and Suozzi's original plan would be best.

How about extending Glen Curtiss Blvd to Charles Lindbergh Blvd, with multi story office buildings between the extension and Doolittle Blvd(or whatever that street that runs past the Marriot is). Perhaps a row of office buildings on the west side of the extension as well.

There'd be a major intermodal transit hub right where the extension would meet Charles Lindbergh Blvd(which would be on the northern border of the Nassau Coliseum). There, commuters would be able to catch local and express buses that would span the entire island.

Two of the more outlandish aspects are a loop rail line, which would connect to a currently closed LIRR line. Expand it eventually onto other existing or abandonned LIRR lines to serve multiple points in Nassau and Suffolk counties.

The other more outlandish aspect is a monorail line running from Freeport, down Sunrise Highway, up the Meadowbrook, then via Glen Curtiss, the extension, and Oak St, to Roosevelt Field Mall.

There'd also be a greenway and space for apartments should the need arise.

fioco
July 21st, 2005, 11:23 PM
NIMBYkiller,
You have some great ideas there. Have you presented these ideas to Suozzi, etc? I think the proposal is "outlandish" on purpose, so that Wang has plenty to trade away as he fights for what he really wants. Monorails rarely work out, but a mass transit corridor parallel to the Meadowbrook has been talked about. It time to get transportation alternatives onto the Nassau agenda, especially as the financial house gets in better order. It's accepted fact that Nassau County will become increasingly denser and more urban (than suburban); it's already way late to be gathering property for transit needs. Go to it. Get your ideas out there!

NIMBYkiller
July 22nd, 2005, 02:25 AM
It's good to read support. I've looked at the area from satelite maps and the new ROW for the railroad loop is clear(meaning there's actually space for the loop), as are the abandonned ROWs.

The other possibility for the Meadowbrook was a bus only lane down the center, but it'd only be one lane total, so it could only be peak direction travel, whereas the monorail would allow for bi-directional travel.

I have not proposed my ideas to the county. I'm hoping to put them together on a website sometime soon, which is when I will submit them to the county.

bg33
July 25th, 2005, 04:22 PM
It's good to read support. I've looked at the area from satelite maps and the new ROW for the railroad loop is clear(meaning there's actually space for the loop), as are the abandonned ROWs.

The other possibility for the Meadowbrook was a bus only lane down the center, but it'd only be one lane total, so it could only be peak direction travel, whereas the monorail would allow for bi-directional travel.

I have not proposed my ideas to the county. I'm hoping to put them together on a website sometime soon, which is when I will submit them to the county.

Why doesn't Wang call the Jets? Woody wants to spend money on a stadium. The two teams should partner. The Jets offices are right next door to the Coliseum as it is.

NIMBYkiller
July 26th, 2005, 09:31 PM
Are you saying maybe move the jets to the hub? Interesting idea...though I think Fresh Meadows is a better location, simply because it already has multiple highways serving it along with a subway line, then LIRR, and 2 buses. Of course, the hub does have some advantages. For one, it would aid in what I guess you could call the rebirth of the hub. It could help in the push for greater mass transit to the area as well.

PHLguy
July 29th, 2005, 04:06 AM
How far away is nassau from the city, would you be able to see that from the ESB?


I love that tower, It's awesome! Yea it looks chinese but chinese skyscrapers are cool IMO.

TLOZ Link5
July 29th, 2005, 12:10 PM
PHLguy
How far away is nassau from the city, would you be able to see that from the ESB?


Nassau County is the next county over from Queens. Supposedly, on a very clear day you can see Massachusetts from ESB, so it's possible that you can see the Coliseum development too.


I love that tower, It's awesome! Yea it looks chinese but chinese skyscrapers are cool IMO.

For the sake of sounding slightly politically incorrect, I think then, that it's quite fitting that the developer is Charles Wang.

NIMBYkiller
August 1st, 2005, 01:03 PM
Cool or not it's just not practical

Alonzo-ny
August 2nd, 2005, 07:17 PM
Its stupid where it is, now if he moved to lic or somewhere closer to the city it would really be something. Why be so far from the city anyway, move to the city and a much bigger market dominated by the rangers. I think new york could use a tower like that. Yeah its chinese looking and yes its very cool. For a city thats the worlds most diverse shouldnt its skyline be diverse too? If nys buildings were nationalities it wouldnt be diverse at all would it there isnt much major differnce in alot of the buildings in ny really. I mean the difference between wangs tower and ny's tower is big and it shows a bit of innovation and willingness for something not done before

NIMBYkiller
August 3rd, 2005, 02:24 PM
The point behind it being where it is planned is so that the Nassau Hub can grow even more as a major economic center/employment area/whatever you want to call it.

Jake
August 27th, 2005, 08:58 PM
Finally found this...shouldn't this be in the New York Skyscrapers forum?

Anyway, speaking as a hockey fan the Islanders are gonna start a new season soon which means a few things. One, the NHL lockout is over therefore there will be a season this year and they should make money and two, the Isles made some big name trades so the team will be more recognizable now. Both help this project greatly since it basically is the hockey team that's this project's only chance.

Also, Wang is the founder of Computer Associates so I wouldn't be surprised if CA moved some offices into the building.

There's an online petition on http://lighthouseli.com/ to get this stuff moving. Eager to hear about developments

NIMBYkiller
August 30th, 2005, 12:07 PM
I have drawn out a VERY crude ariel layout of my plans for the Nassau Hub. The backbone of the new Nassau Hub will be the extension of Glenn Curtis Blvd north between the hotel and the coliseum, and then connecting to Charles Lindbergh Blvd. The veins will be a a monorail operating from the Roosevelt Field Mall, south along Oak St, then along Charles Lindbergh Blvd, down the Glenn Curtis extension, then down the Meadowbrook Parkway.

Also, a commuter rail loop along Charles Lindbergh Blvd and the Meadowbrook Parkway and then reconnecting with existing tracks near the Nassau Community College.

The order in which each part of this project I plan to have completed, followed by a description of that project, is as follows:

1st. Nassau Coliseum/Plaza
-Refurbishing the Nassau Coliseum
-Conversion of the open space adjacent to the coliseum on the eastern side into an outdoor plaza(much like that planned in the Lighthouse plan by Charles Wang)

2nd. Nassau Quad
-Extension of Glenn Curtis Blvd to Charles Lindbergh Blvd
-4 new 8-10 story commercial buildings between the Glenn Curtis extension, Doolittle Blvd, the hotel, and Hempstead Tpke
-One parking garage in between all 4 buildings of equal height, with connecting street running from the Glenn Curtis extension to Doolittle Blvd.

3rd. Residences
-New street(Plaza Blvd) stretching from Doolittle Blvd, between the Nassau Quad and the hotel, along the south side of the coliseum, then down to Hempstead Tpke
-3 new 20 story apartment buildings on the west side of the Nassau Coliseum. Parking garages below each of the buildings for the residents of those buildings
-Parking lot south of the new apartments for visitors

4th. Research Center
-Construction of a new multi-story research center southwest of the Nassau Coliseum
-Multi-story parking garage

5th. Conference Center
-New conference center which will host job fairs, college fairs, and other business related events
-Located on the south side of the Nassau Coliseum on the new Plaza Blvd

6th. More commercial property
-2 more new commercial buildings 8-10 stories high along the west side of the Glenn Curtis Blvd extension

Also involved in the construction is the greenway system within the hub that will expand as well to surrounding neighborhoods. As for transportation, a bus terminal will be constructed at a strategic location within the hub and will provide transportation to communities all over Long Island as well as to New York City. This would be integrated with the monorail and commuter rail services as well.

evil_synth
October 26th, 2005, 06:46 PM
On Page 92 on the November edition of Business 2.0 magazine, there's mention of Charles Wang, founder of Computer Associates who is turning 77 acers of underused land into multi-level parking garages, office buildings, ect... along with a 60-story tower in Union Dale.
According to http://www.antonnews.com/westburytimes/2005/04/01/news/ this tower will be called the Lighthouse at Long Island.
The official website for this is:
http://www.lighthouseli.com/
http://www.longislandexchange.com/news/lighthouse.jpg
Full shot of of the tower.. not too good.
http://www.lighthouseli.com/images/hotelsMain.jpg
The tower will be approximately 20-25 miles from downtown manhattan.
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=uniondale,+new+york+to+new+york,+new+york&spn=0.353009,0.611870&hl=en (google maps link)
View from the observation sphere:
http://www.lighthouseli.com/images/observatoryMain.jpg

evil_synth
October 26th, 2005, 09:26 PM
That's a really good link to see a satellite pic, thanks.
The plan also calls for the new stadium to be built, which I assume will be for the New York Islanders, of which Mr. Wang co-owns. Other sport will probably also be played there as well.
I haven't been able to find a height on this tower yet, but I assume it'll be around 800 feet?

NIMBYkiller
October 27th, 2005, 10:42 AM
The plan is NOT to build a new stadium, but rather, to refurbish the existing coliseum.

I still have my doubts about this plan though. There are better ways to make use of the land there. Suozzi had it right with his original idea. Just fuse his idea with Wang's idea, minus this ultra tall lighthouse.

Maybe they could just move the lighthouse a little further north...I'm looking forward to seeing what the layout map of this area will look like.

Supercool Dude
October 27th, 2005, 11:40 PM
They wanna renovate Bust Palace!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LMFAO!

noik53
December 28th, 2005, 03:11 PM
Mets toss changeup
Revise pitch for Nassau Coliseum site with new arena, rather than a renovated one, in bid to outdo Wang

BY EMI ENDO
STAFF WRITER

December 28, 2005

The New York Mets Development Corp., in its latest pitch to develop one of the most valuable parcels of open land left in Nassau County, is proposing to replace the Nassau Veterans Memorial Coliseum with a new arena.

The Mets and partners also would throw in an extra $25 million to help build a light rail terminal, upping the ante in a bidding contest that includes software billionaire Charles Wang and others to develop the 77-acre site in Uniondale.

Though the Mets' original plans called for renovating the aging arena, an amended version of the plan filed with Nassau County last week from the team made up of the Mets, Sterling Equities and the Blumenfeld Development Group, calls for building a new venue that can be used by the Islanders, unless they choose to leave. If so, it could be available for another sports team. The Mets' previous plan also offered Nassau its first minor league baseball stadium.

"We believe the county deserves a new arena," Ed Blumenfeld, president of Blumenfeld Development Group, said yesterday.

The Coliseum - built in 1972 - is a popular concert venue but one of the smallest arenas in the National Hockey League, with 16,234 seats. As early as 1985, consultants advised it was too small and outmoded.

The Mets, Wang and the other two developers in the running had until Dec. 23 to submit their "final and best offers" before Nassau County Executive Thomas Suozzi picks the plan he likes best. The county legislature then intends to review the proposals, hold public hearings, and select a developer next year.

Wang, owner of the Islanders, with partner Reckson Associates, has made a $1-billion proposal for a 60-story "Lighthouse" hotel/residential complex. Wang said last month he was open to suggestions for replacing the soaring centerpiece - which has generated much controversy - with some other kind of iconic statement. Chris Botta, a spokesman for the Lighthouse project, declined to comment yesterday.

Developer Vincent Polimeni, whose partner is the Cordish Co., said yesterday he had submitted minor changes to his plan but "didn't tweak it by much."

Polimeni's $725-million proposal, called the Forum at Uniondale, calls for erecting a 600,000-square-foot county center as well as other offices, a commercial building and housing.

The other proposal, an $800-million project, by longtime Long Island builders Engel Burman of Lynbrook and Kabro Associates, calls for 800 condominium units and possibly office space. Jan Burman, of Engel Burman, said his proposal was "pretty much the same," although he added an option to renovate the Coliseum if he was able to work out a deal with the Islanders and the county.

The original Mets-Blumenfeld proposal was for a sports and entertainment development including a hotel and convention center, offices and housing, and a monorail system connected to the Long Island Rail Road system. It was estimated to cost $1.4 billion; the current version would add roughly $125 million to the total, said Blumenfeld spokesman Gary Lewi. Now, the developer also would build a pedestrian bridge to connect to Hofstra University.

In a letter to Suozzi, Hofstra President Stuart Rabinowitz praised the idea of a pedestrian bridge as helping students integrate into the local community.

David Blumenfeld, vice president of Blumenfeld Development Group, said that while it would be more expensive to build a new coliseum, the developers were willing to put more into the project if the county and the Islanders, who would have remained at the facility rent-free under the original proposal, also contributed.

Suozzi had no comment yesterday.

METS' PROPOSAL

Developers: New York Mets Development Corp., Sterling Equities of Great Neck, Blumenfeld Development Group of Syosset

The plan: A sports and entertainment development with hotel and convention center, offices, housing and a monorail link to the LIRR

Centerpiece: A new arena and a minor-league baseball stadium

The Coliseum: Plan calls for building new arena in current parking lot, and a new pedestrian bridge link with Hofstra University.

Total cost: $1.5 billion

WANG'S PROPOSAL

Developers: Charles Wang, owner of New York Islanders and co-founder of Computer Associates International of Islandia; Reckson Associates Realty Corp., of Melville

The plan: Residential, commercial and retail, including a sports technology center, a state-of-the-art conference facility and a hotel-condo tower

Centerpiece: The 60-story "Lighthouse" featuring an observation deck, a five-star hotel and luxury condos

The Coliseum: $150 million to increase seating to 17,500 from 16,300 for hockey games and up to 20,000 for concerts; adds 50 luxury suites to the current 31

Total cost: $1 billion

OTHER PROPOSALS

THE COUNTY CENTER

Developers: Polimeni International, a Garden City real estate firm; and The Cordish Co., a Baltimore entertainment development company

The plan: County government center and buildings for the Nassau police and the Department of Social Services; an office building, three buildings of apartments and condos

Centerpiece: A $75-million, 600,000-square-foot government center to consolidate county offices

The Coliseum: $150 million to add skyboxes and rink-side boxes, and an entertainment venue

Total cost: $725 million

CONDO/COMMERCIAL

Developers: Engel Burman of Lynbrook and Kabro Associates of Woodbury

The plan: Two proposals: one for using all 77 acres for condominiums and office buildings, the other to use 40 acres for the condos

Centerpiece: About 800 condominium units in four 15-story towers, including senior housing

The Coliseum: No plans

Total cost: $800 million
Copyright 2005 Newsday Inc.


For More info go to Newsday.com

lofter1
December 29th, 2005, 04:50 PM
Another one bites the dust ...

Nassau Developer Drops Plan for 60-Story Lighthouse Tower

By JENNIFER MEDINA (http://query.nytimes.com/search/query?ppds=bylL&v1=JENNIFER MEDINA&fdq=19960101&td=sysdate&sort=newest&ac=JENNIFER MEDINA&inline=nyt-per)
New York Times
December 29, 2005

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/29/nyregion/29lighthouse.html


The owner of the New York Islanders hockey team has dropped his plan to build a 60-story tower in the heart of Nassau County, relenting to complaints that the building would be out of place on suburban Long Island.

The tower was the centerpiece of a $1 billion plan to redevelop the area around the Nassau Veterans Memorial Coliseum in Uniondale, near Hofstra University and Nassau Community College, and it was to have a beacon to resemble a lighthouse tower. The developer hoped the tower would become a symbol of Long Island.

The tower, and the lighthouse design, were attacked by groups seeking to preserve the suburban nature of Nassau County and hoping to keep so powerful a light out of an area without other bright lighting.

The dispute also enveloped Thomas R. Suozzi (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/s/thomas_r_suozzi/index.html?inline=nyt-per), the county executive, who embraced the plan at first but then, under pressure, sought additional development proposals.

The tower and overall development of the area around the aging Coliseum were proposed by Charles B. Wang, a software billionaire who owns both the Islanders and the New York Dragons, an arena-football team, both of which play in the Coliseum. Mr. Suozzi and Mr. Wang announced a tentative deal for the development in October 2004.

In return for overhauling the Coliseum and pledging to keep his teams there, Mr. Wang would have the right to develop the surrounding 77 acres in a 99-year lease with the county. The Coliseum, built in 1972, is one of the smallest sites in the National Hockey League.

Mr. Suozzi threw the process open for more proposals and received three others in October 2005. All four developers were asked to present their final offer in writing to the county by last week.

Mr. Wang had informally indicated his willingness to drop the tower and lighthouse part of his proposal at a public hearing last month. He formally stated his decision in a letter to Mr. Suozzi last Thursday, and county officials confirmed the contents of the letter yesterday.

"This issue has caused the project to be held hostage," Mr. Wang and his partner, Scott Rechler, the chief executive of Reckson Associates Realty Corporation, wrote in the letter. "While the two of us have repeatedly stated that this project needs a distinctive icon, we are not willing to allow the tower to be the political football that keeps the lighthouse project from becoming a reality."

Mr. Wang also stated in the letter that he would look for ways to "develop an appropriate icon for the project," but did not elaborate. The letter leaves open the possibility that the project could include a lighthouse effect, though not perched high above the island.

Another developer, the New York Mets Development Corporation, submitted a final proposal last week calling for replacing the Coliseum entirely and spending $25 million to help build a light-rail terminal in the area. That $1.5 billion proposal by the Mets and its partners, Sterling Equities and the Blumenfeld Development Group, includes plans for a minor league baseball team to play at a new site.

Helena E. Williams, the deputy county executive, said that Mr. Suozzi would send the four proposals to consultants for evaluation and that he expected a report back by mid-January. Mr. Suozzi will present one to the County Legislature.

Most of the harshest critics of the tower and lighthouse could not be reached for comment yesterday. But Mitchell H. Pally, the vice president for government affairs for the Long Island Association, a business group, said the tower had been an important symbol, although he thought the project could still be successful.

"We have to learn to go up rather than sideways, when there is a scarcity of land," he said. "But that can still be accomplished without a 60-story building."



Copyright 2005 (http://www.nytimes.com/ref/membercenter/help/copyright.html)The New York Times Company (http://www.nytco.com/)

NIMBYkiller
December 30th, 2005, 01:56 PM
Amazing how only 1 of the 4 plans mention anything about improvements in public transportation. And where will this light rail run to?

Include a direct LIRR link to the hub via the Garden City Secondary and a new loop track that will allow trains to travel south towards the coliseum and then return up to the secondary.

A light rail line along Hempstead Tpke would be good though. NY24 can definately handle the line.

Scruffy88
January 29th, 2006, 02:43 AM
Ha, I knew they would chicken out and not build that tower. Bunch of wussies. That tower was too bold and ballsy for Long Island. suckers. It would have looked real good. It could very well have defined the island. God, that annoys me. Grow a pair!

i feel that i'm allowed to make fun of Nassau County government since I formerly lived there

Scruffy88
January 29th, 2006, 02:44 AM
I really have my doubts that anything will get built there, Until I see a shovel in the ground or a bulldozer knockin something over, I will remain skeptical that there will ever be something built there.

tmg
March 15th, 2006, 11:17 PM
The New York Times
Nassau Chooses Developer to Revive Coliseum Area
By PAUL VITELLO
Published: March 16, 2006

MINEOLA, N.Y., March 15 — In a marriage of sports and real estate that seems to be emerging as a preferred formula for rejuvenating indolent landscapes, Nassau County officials have chosen a developer to revive the area surrounding the Nassau Coliseum in Uniondale.

Officials involved in the yearlong selection process said that on Thursday, County Executive Thomas R. Suozzi would announce his choice of a $1.5 billion proposal by the Lighthouse Group, one of four plans submitted for consideration.

The Lighthouse Group is led by Charles Wang, the Long Island businessman and owner of the New York Islanders, who are based at the Coliseum, and by Reckson Associates, a local real estate firm.

Mr. Wang was the first developer and for a time the only developer to present a plan for the 77-acre site, most of which is now parking lots. The three other proposals, including one by the owners of the New York Mets, were made only after members of the Nassau County Legislature insisted that the county executive seek competing proposals.

Mr. Wang seems to have held the inside track all along because he alone could guarantee that a sports franchise, the Islanders, would continue to occupy the county-owned coliseum. But his plan has not been without obstacles. He had initially proposed what he called an "iconic" 62-story office tower as the anchor of his project. He backed away from that after opponents complained it would clash with the suburban skyline.

Mr. Wang had since amended his proposal to include a baseball stadium and a trolley that would connect the stadium to the coliseum and to a mixture of residential and commercial buildings. His plan also proposes $200 million in improvements to the aging arena.

The plan must still receive approval from the Nassau County Legislature, following what are expected to be well-attended public hearings. Many residential and commercial neighbors of the coliseum have already raised questions about the development's potential effects on traffic congestion and ground water pollution, as well as concerns about competition with existing businesses.

Since the mid-1980's, when housing and commercial development were coupled with a new baseball stadium in Baltimore, resulting in a successful revitalization of a dying downtown area, a number of cities and older suburbs have sought similar magic by rubbing together sports and real estate development, Houston, Los Angeles and Palm Springs among them.

In Anaheim, Calif., there are plans to build high-rise condominiums and stores on the land surrounding the Angels' baseball stadium. In Brooklyn, the developer Bruce C. Ratner plans to build a residential and commercial complex over and near railyards with a new Nets basketball arena as its centerpiece.

The Nassau County officials said their main motivation in the coliseum redevelopment was to bring more people and new tax revenue to an area that is losing both. The 77-acre property is one of the largest undeveloped public properties in Nassau County, where a vast majority of 1.2 million people live in single-family dwellings.

In a joint statement on Wednesday night, Jeff Wilpon and David Blumenfeld, the principal partners in the redevelopment plan submitted by the Mets Development Corporation, which was said to be a close runner-up to Mr. Wang's, expressed disappointment:

"We believe that a new state-of-the-art arena, a new minor league ballpark with a Mets-affiliated team, a significant commitment to a mass transit connection and the better economic return to the county contained in our plan was compelling."

The Mets proposed to demolish the coliseum and build a new arena. While Mr. Wang's plan includes a ballpark, it does not put a team affiliated with Major League Baseball inside, only a team from the unaffiliated Atlantic League.

Once approved by the Legislature, the plans for the redevelopment project would be submitted for approval to the Town of Hempstead, which holds local regulatory authority over all zoning and planning of new construction, a process that could take two years or more.

Kris
March 23rd, 2006, 06:27 AM
Out of this wilderness
If done right, Coliseum area redevelopment could be a model for revitalizing suburbs

By Justin Davidson
STAFF WRITER

March 19, 2006

Here is what the new frontier looks like: a bleak tundra of parking lots moated by roads, with the bunkered mound of an arena in the middle. It is wishfully called the Nassau Hub: acre after unloved acre of fallow asphalt built according to some long forgotten logic, waiting to be redeemed. On game days and concert nights, crowds make their fitful migrations from their cars to the leaky concrete shell of Nassau Veterans Memorial Coliseum. Otherwise this hub without a center is a place few people go. Who would want to?

The Hub's self-appointed savior is Thomas Suozzi, the Nassau County executive and gubernatorial candidate who sees a high-rise future in its depopulated expanse. On Thursday, he anointed the team of computer magnate Charles Wang and Reckson Associates to develop the 77-acre wilderness in Uniondale and make it bloom with new office towers, parks, apartment buildings, a minor league baseball stadium and 1,000 hotel rooms.

Success will be measured not just in money, but also in whether the place can prod people to leave their cars.

"It's only a par-five hole from EAB Plaza to the Coliseum, but nobody would ever think of walking that," Suozzi said in an interview. "We need to take our assets and connect them, so that they're not islands anymore. It's not so much about creating new spaces as it is making use of the existing ones."

If the megalopolis that stretches from Virginia to Massachusetts is to expand any further, it will be into areas like this. America's oldest cities do not grow outward in concentric circles, but by leapfrogging and doubling back. Nassau County suffers from its particular plagues of high taxes and housing shortages, but its basic problem is the same as the rest of America's: how to adapt the picket-fence dream to accommodate the coming multitudes.

The struggle with density takes place in many parts of Long Island, on every scale -- from Suozzi's grand scheme to the proposed redevelopment of downtown Riverhead, to the doomed vision of a semi-private new town on the site of the Pilgrim State Psychiatric Center, to the much tinier proposal to tear down historic Huntington Townhouse and replace it with fresh condos, to the immigrant day laborers jammed by the dozen into small houses in Farmingdale. The solutions lie at least partly in architecture.

So the stakes for the Hub are even higher than the enormity of the lot or the proposed $1.6-billion price tag would suggest. Following Suozzi's lead could give the entire New York metro region a model for managing growth and revitalizing older suburbs. The county cannot continue to let the asphalt plain around the Coliseum sit and fester. Sprinkling it with gabled houses on half-acre lots is not a reasonable option, either.

The real choice is between aiming for design distinction and building an expanse of money-making blandness that extends Long Island's legacy of architectural mediocrity. Doing it wrong could plop a slice of Albany down into the middle of Nassau County. Even getting the project half-right would anger many people who moved to the suburbs precisely to escape the urban intensity that Suozzi is promoting with the epic name of "The New Suburbia." The best way to win this argument is by making the place inarguably excellent.

For now, the version of the New Suburbia on offer looks more like the Old Anywhere. The master plan for the hub resembles the rapidly expanding tendrils of Washington, D.C., such as Reston Town Center in Reston, Va. Those are middling models, financially successful but bland and reserved for the affluent. The Nassau Hub has yet to be designed, which means it can still aspire to be better.

The plan could die a thousand deaths by committee before the steam shovels start to grind. The county legislature and the Town of Hempstead both need to approve it. Bringing architects and citizens into the process can make any project more combustible, but it would also increase the flow of imaginative thinking.

"Ideas are sorely needed," said Paul Bentel, a partner in the Locust Valley-based architectural firm of Bentel & Bentel. "I agree with Suozzi that we're at the threshold of a new era and we can't go into it with an old set of ideas. Wouldn't it be wonderful if the Hub were a physical manifestation of that rhetoric?"

To prevent the creation of a generic herd of boxes, Suozzi should immediately obligate Wang to do two things to boost the creativity factor. The first is to organize a charrette -- a workshop lasting several days, in which experts and citizens bat around ideas that could range from proposals for a full-scale model of the Eiffel Tower to debate of the design of lampposts. (For more details on how this can work, see www.charretteinstitute.org.) These real-estate revival meetings can provide cover to developers who solicit input they intend to ignore, but they also allow ideas to ferment and passions to emerge.

Second, the county should launch an architectural competition. Neither politicians nor developers can possibly know all of Long Island's needs, or have the solutions to all its problems. Postponing design to a later stage will merely narrow the options.

Depending on how it's run, a competition can attract freelance visionaries, global architects, crackpots and young geniuses looking for a break. The proposals that would come gushing in might be maddeningly impractical or offensively radical, but that is no reason to avoid soliciting ideas.

A jury would pick a single winner, but legislators and developers could spread the wealth and award concurrent contracts to various other teams. One current model for such an organized brainstorming session is "Urban Voids," a competition run by the Van Alen Institute (www.vanalen.org) to drum up inventive uses for Philadelphia's pox of empty lots.

Architecture is not just a pretty veneer pasted on after the important stuff is done. It shapes the way people move through space and how we feel about it. As builders in super-heated real-estate markets like Manhattan have begun to understand, good architecture may cost more, but it makes financial sense.

"Developers know that if they bring in a name-brand architect, a 2 to 5 percent up-front investment in design can yield returns of 10 to 25 percent," said Peter Slatin, publisher of the online real-estate newsletter The Slatin Report. "This is an opportunity to take Long Island to another level and show what's possible."

Suozzi, Wang and Reckson will have to navigate deftly between the need to promote their vision and the perception that they are jamming a large chunk of real-estate gristle down the public's throat. Long Islanders, with their traditional focus on the private house, have been historically averse to large-scale planning, which is why the Pilgrim State site in Islip remains a field of ruins.

Robert Bruegmann, a professor at the University of Chicago and one of the few academic defenders of suburban growth in his book "Sprawl," said that the danger is that the Hub will be laid out with high-handed thoroughness instead of being allowed to grow organically.

"As we've gotten more and more planning, the chorus of complaints has been growing louder and louder," he said. "The biggest fiascoes in planning have been done because of the perception that the market wasn't working, but they almost always backfire."

The example of Ground Zero should give everyone pause. Four-and-a-half years after the World Trade Center fell, the project has been stalled and all idealism eviscerated by turf battles, greed and myopia. And that project is only one-fifth the size of the Hub.

The future of Nassau depends on the antidotes to those toxins: flexibility and collective aspiration. The time has come to tweak the suburban dream.

Copyright 2006 Newsday Inc.

Scruffy88
April 5th, 2006, 09:54 PM
damn i really wanted that 62 story tower. with a few shorter towers around it. but nassau county is so flat you would have been able to see that spike from glen cove on the north shore to jones beach on the south. it really needs a monumental landmark like that i think

billyblancoNYC
May 2nd, 2006, 05:25 PM
Wang and Co. are also trying to develop another "town" on LI, and it looks pretty damn nice...

www.oldplainview.com

Kris
June 30th, 2006, 03:32 AM
June 30, 2006
Garden City: Coliseum Development Moves Forward
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

A $1.6 billion proposal to develop a 77-acre area around the Nassau Veterans Memorial Coliseum inched closer to reality yesterday when the Nassau County executive, Thomas R. Suozzi, signed a "memorandum of understanding" with the project's developers. The memorandum allows the developers to seek zoning approval for the project from the Town of Hempstead. In addition to renovating the sports and concert arena, the proposal calls for a housing, office and retail complex.

Copyright 2006 The New York Times Company

NIMBYkiller
January 7th, 2007, 11:06 PM
I still feel this plan is deeply flawed. There is no planned transit service, and buses are not going to cut it for such a large development.

Pandadoll
January 20th, 2007, 05:43 PM
I'm not sure if any of you are aware of the fact, that Nassau County no longer has an Office of Cultural Development.

Cultural activities are the heart of civilization. They include music, dance, theater, and Visual Arts like sculpture, painting and the like. Cultural activities are also a very good source of revenue. It can bring participants in from surrounding areas or even surrounding states.

Nassau County should turn THIS area....near the Coliseum into a CULTURAL HUB. It would greatly ease the tax burden and increase interest into the area. We would no longer have to stand int he shadow of "stupid" Manhattan.

There is so much talent available right here on Long Island. We could stake OUR claim as the Cultural Place to be.

antinimby
January 21st, 2007, 12:04 AM
We would no longer have to stand int he shadow of "stupid" Manhattan.Why so much hate for Manhattan?

What has Manhattan ever do to prevent cultural advancement on LI?

Pandadoll
January 22nd, 2007, 12:36 PM
Sorry, you misunderstood....it is not..."hate". It's just, that, we need our own IDENTITY here....

Long Island is a great place & it gets a bum rap.

Lots of folks complain about "how it's changed".....well, the answer, isn't to leave......the answer would be to STAY.....and maintain the area that you love so well. It's like, when Great people die....they are no longer with us, to influence. This happens on a regular basis.... It is a fact, that life=change....but SOME things are nice.....we want to keep them. So, in order to have them change, yet stay the SAME, in some respect, you need to remain in the game. Long Island is a wonderful place.....space is limited. Over development needs to be STOPPED if the quality of life is to be maintained in any form.

Economic growth is really unnecessary....grow-grow-grow......how annoying is that? You need to be able to support yourself. The heck with growing....whatever.

Yeah, well grow this!

I just feel that you have to be in it to win it....and if you aren't part of the solution...you're part of the problem. Talk is cheap! (wow, could I have gotten any more cliches into that statement?)

antinimby
January 22nd, 2007, 07:25 PM
That's all fine but why did you have to say something bad about Manhattan.

I don't see what Manhattan has anything to do with LI getting cultural and arts institutions.

No one is stopping you guys from getting your own identity.

Pandadoll
January 23rd, 2007, 12:07 PM
Actually, that is NOT true...

The Long Island Arts Alliance is working to try to carve out an IDENTITY for LONG ISLAND and the cultural arts.

Maybe.....you should check your facts.....it isn't easy living in the shadow of Manhattan looming overhead......

Nassau County doesn't even have an OFFICE OF CULTURAL DEVELOPMENT, so it is difficult to get everyone on the same page....for support for each other.....

Also, Long Island is a vast area....diverse cultures, spread out all over the 115 mile long stretch. So many cultural arts groups....unbelievable.....

They all need to get on the same page to support each other....they all do different things in different places....but, they step on each others toes.....accidentally, sometimes.

meer
January 23rd, 2007, 03:21 PM
You don't need to make negative statements about Manhattan in order to dicsuss the positive statements about what LI should be. Each place has pros and cons.

Panda, I see you are an artist and feel strongly about this issue. What steps are you taking to make a difference?

NIMBYkiller
January 24th, 2007, 09:22 PM
Development is inevitable, especially in the Nassau Hub as well as at Pilgrim. Using the area around the Nassau Coliseum SOLELY for culture is insane. The space is huge. Also, if you want a large cultural center for ALL of Long Island, it should not be so close to NYC. It should be more centrally located, like at Heartland Town Square(the proposed development at Pilgrim in Deer Park).

There is plenty of space for expansion of cultural places on museum row in the nassau hub by NCC. Why seperate culture from museum row?


And just for the record, I'm strongly against development on the north fork. The south fork is screwed(though I dont want to see high rises go up), but the north fork still has a fighting chance of keeping its uniqueness.

antinimby
January 25th, 2007, 01:08 AM
Actually, that is NOT true...
The Long Island Arts Alliance is working to try to carve out an IDENTITY for LONG ISLAND and the cultural arts.
Maybe.....you should check your facts.....it isn't easy living in the shadow of Manhattan looming overheadThat kind of rationale is seriously retarded.

So how is that Manhattan's fault?

Is Manhattan suppose to strive to be terrible just so LI doesn't have to look up to it???!!!

You sound just like Cinderella's ugly step sister, who hates Cinderella just because she is prettier than her.

I'd be worried my own psyche if I were you Pandadoll. :rolleyes:

Pandadoll
January 25th, 2007, 06:47 PM
The idea of having it by the Coliseum is so that it is by the Museums.....and colleges. The center would also cater to education.

Design.....is.....art. Everything anyone has ever touched.....
had to go through the mind and hands of an artistic person.

Don't insult the craft.......it isn't attractive.

I am against development on the North Shore....well...anywhere. But, we should be able to have "smart" development in the areas that are already cursed to that fate.

We aren't BLAMING Manhattan.....you still don't get it.

We don't want to be "closer to New York City".....yuk! The idea is to be HERE.......Ooooph! Forget about it....you just don't understand.

There are more important things than what we do immediately.......

There is the FUTURE of forever!

antinimby
January 25th, 2007, 11:33 PM
No Pandadoll, you're the one that's not getting it.

Instead spouting childish insults like "yuk" or "stupid," why don't you just explain things in a more intelligent manner?

I understand perfectly what you were trying (albeit crudely) to say the first time around, just didn't care for your unnecessary put-downs of Manhattan.

NIMBYkiller
January 25th, 2007, 11:39 PM
Drugs are bad

BTW, having it at museum row will put it closer to the museums and NCC than at the coliseum. So, yes, museum row is a better location. And smart development is what is being proposed for the hub, though they kind of need a bit more transit for the area, not just buses.

Pandadoll
January 26th, 2007, 10:03 AM
Yes, well....yuk & stupid are appropriate terminology when used in the context....

I'm not a naive person....and I don't appreciate the disrespect that you portray to folks you don't even know.

I spend my life explaining things in an intelligent manner....sorry, you can't tell.

I am not the only one that has a passion for these things.....I see that you do not understand that.

There are unified people....many, of whom are CEOs and Executive Directors of some of these aforementioned museums......that are banding together to create something wonderful........The Long Island Arts Alliance is a powerful force.

We aren't putting Manhattan down, and I don't think IT needs defending.....by YOU.

meer
January 27th, 2007, 04:23 PM
The way you are expressing yourself, in words and in colors, is not helping this cause that you seek. It's obvious that we are trying to discuss this with you intelligently and maturely. But you keep coming back with defensiveness. Can't we all discuss this like adults?

When you say "we", who are you referring to? The LIAA or Long Islanders in general? I hope you're not suggesting that all Long Islanders feel this much jealousy and anger about Manhattan. It's just not so.

I'd like to ask you again - what are you doing for your cause, besides coming here and making negative statements about Manhattan?

Pandadoll
January 27th, 2007, 04:57 PM
Sorry, about the colors, but....they are there to use!

It just shows how fun and expressive these forums COULD be.

I am trying to reinstitute the Office of Cultural Development....here....in Nassau County.

Sorry, about the expressiveness......I am not a sheep. I like to express....I like to be in it.

meer
January 27th, 2007, 07:04 PM
I am trying to reinstitute the Office of Cultural Development....here....in Nassau County.

How exactly?

Pandadoll
January 27th, 2007, 11:22 PM
Do you want me to delineate the entire thing here?

meer
January 28th, 2007, 10:24 AM
Are you really going to make you ask a third time?

Pandadoll
January 28th, 2007, 12:04 PM
Alrighty then...

We are getting together a petition.

I'm not exactly sure "who" you are, so I am apprehensive about discussing this.....here.

We are serious about the need....so many good things happening in the cultural arts area.....we just want everyone to benefit....and participate.


Sorry.....I do like playing with the colors.

They are so expressive :cool:

meer
January 29th, 2007, 09:10 AM
You don't seem apprehensive about telling everyone else that they don't get it and they're wrong. But when it comes to talking about your actions, not just spouting words, you have a problem with that.

With all this talk, I thought you would be doing more besides getting together a petition. But I guess it's just that. Talk.

Thanks for clarifying.

Pandadoll
January 29th, 2007, 05:13 PM
Mmmm...."doing more than just getting a petition together"?

Ok....got any ideas? It is so mired in POLITICS.....it is pathetic. If you know something, I don't ......tell me.

We worked so hard on putting a sort of group together to try to save some of the old Historic buildings....and a group took control and......where are they? Poof! I don't have any power other than.....numbers. That's why we were going to try a petition, but, if you have information......please, let me know. I have tried writing a letter......no answer......so, I thought maybe it would be harder to ignore a lot of us.:cool:

JCMAN320
February 9th, 2007, 01:20 PM
Any new news or renderings of any of the plans for and around the Coliseum?

BrooklynRider
February 9th, 2007, 06:48 PM
I lived on Long Island - in Nassau County - for 32 years. It cannibalized itself. It is not a cultural hotbed of anything except racially divided communities and drive-thru everything for pear-shaped fat house wives. The only thing Nassau County has going for it is its beaches and Suffolk County to the east and Jersey to the south have better beaches.

Nassau is bereft of anything cultural and anything remotely worth venturing to from anywhere - other than a relatives home (and then you have to deal with finding parking because there are so many illegal basement and garage apartments.)

Nassau was the first true suburb in the country and it is the most perfect example of what happens when crooked politicians get into office and make deals to benefit their buddies. The place is over-crowded, poorly planned, ugly to look at, and was rated as one of the most racist and racially divided counties in the country.

It's a crummy county of cheaply built, poorly designed, and overly illuminated McMansions. I'm from there, but I'm not proud of it. There is no drive more unpleasant than a drive into Nassau County.

Pandadoll
February 11th, 2007, 04:57 PM
:cool: Oooo...ha ha ha....you better not tell all of the folks involved with the tremendous amount of "cultural" things that are happening on Long Island, that they aren't creative....

I don't think they would appreciate your cynicism......LOL

I AM an artist, and I must tell you there are so many things going on......you may not realize it, unless, you particpate in them....

The Long Island Arts Alliance is and is becoming even more....of an influenctial force. Don't be so sure to write us off.......:cool:

BrooklynRider
February 17th, 2007, 10:09 PM
I only hit three art shows on Long Island: Huntington and Roslyn. Both exhibit quality artists and, unfortunately, there's a lot of overlap. The other isthe Long Beach craft fair - lots of crap - but great beach setting.

tmg
February 20th, 2007, 12:46 AM
Herald Community Newspapers
Hub plan headed to Hempstead
By Doug Miller February 08, 2007

The Nassau Legislature voted 16-2 on Monday to give Lighthouse Development Group its blessing to begin the process of negotiating with the Town of Hempstead over the future development of the 77-acre Nassau Hub site.

But the approval came with a terse admonition from legislators on both sides of the aisle, who warned that many of the existing conditions of the memorandum of understanding between County Executive Thomas Suozzi and Lighthouse were unacceptable, and that not enough had yet been done to alleviate the concerns of the surrounding communities.

The Legislature approved a resolution that would authorize Suozzi to execute an agreement with Lighthouse Development Group, a consortium made up of Islanders owner Charles Wang and his partners, which include Reckson Real Estate Corp., to redevelop the land around the Nassau Coliseum into a multi-use sports, residential, commercial and retail facility that would include several more hockey rinks for public use, a minor league baseball team and a mix of high-end and affordable housing.

Before the vote, the agreement was amended to include language designed to smooth the ruffled feathers of certain North Shore legislators, who had complained that, by giving the Town of Hempstead full authority to regulate the zoning of the project, the deal excluded North Hempstead and Oyster Bay residents from participating. The amendment requires Lighthouse to hold community outreach meetings in those two towns also, and authorizes the supervisors of each to appoint a member to the project's oversight committee.

And Scott Rechler, chairman and CEO of Reckson, made himself available to the legislators before the vote for public questions. "This project will enable Nassau County to be more competitive," he said. "It will drive jobs here."
He estimated the project would create 15,000 construction jobs and, once completed, $50 million to $60 million annually in additional property taxes.
He also revealed that, as part of their partnership, Reckson and Wang had pooled all their resources, in essence making each other partners in all aspects of the Hub project. It also means Reckson is now a co-owner of the New York Islanders.

Rechler said he planned to meet with Town of Hempstead officials "immediately" to begin negotiations on the scope of the process. He said he was hopeful that public hearings on the matter could begin to take place in six to seven months. Once begun, the process is expected to take at least a year.

Once Lighthouse has all the approvals from the Town of Hempstead, it must return to the Legislature for final approval of the lease, since Nassau County is the owner of the land. A rider in the agreement between Wang and the county would transfer ownership of the land to Lighthouse at the completion of what is likely to be a 99-year lease.

When the matter was before the finance committee Jan. 22, concerns were raised that if the Legislature votes down the plan ultimately worked out between Wang and the Town of Hempstead, the deal allows the Islanders to break their lease at the coliseum, which is due to expire in 2015.

But the Legislature's minority leader, Republican Peter Schmitt, announced on Monday that he will vote against the final lease if it still contains the clause about transferring ownership of the property. "I'm voting to approve this, to move it along," Schmitt said. "But when the lease comes back I will not be able to support it."

His comments were echoed by Legislator Francis X. Becker, a Republican of Lynbrook, who also voted in favor of the resolution.

The 19th member of the Legislature, Democrat Craig Johnson, recused himself from all Hub-related votes because he is an associate of a law firm that represents the Coliseum management.

Voting against were Republicans Vincent Muscarella, whose district includes Garden City and West Hempstead, and Richard Nicolello, whose district includes several North Hempstead communities on the north side of Old Country road. Both expressed frustration that, as the owner of the property, the Nassau County Legislature would not have enough say over what is built there. "To put this before the Town of Hemsptead is an abdication of our responsibility," Muscarella said.

Nicolello warned that the future Legislature would feel too cowed by the magnitude of the project to vote against it, no matter what the repercussions. "There is no way we will be able to say no to such powerful developers as these," he said. "There is no way we will be able to say no to organized labor. There is no way we will be able to say no to the Islanders. We are losing our ability to influence this development."

Punzie
February 20th, 2007, 03:58 PM
Those poor people -- some literally, some figuratively -- who live near this hub. First Nassau County (somewhat surreptitiously) moved many of its government offices from Mineola to Uniondale. Now this.

The area already has so much traffic congestion that I wonder what Nassau County Executive Tom Suozzi is thinking. Is he getting a kickback? Promised funding for his next political campaign? Does he want to regain his former glory from when he financially rescued Nassau? Is he being blackmailed? Or is he just an idiot when it comes to real estate matters?

What ever it is, Suozzi will most likely be in some other (higher) political office when the project becomes a mess and a pollution problem for the neighbors. The next Nassau County Executive will have to deal with it.

NIMBYkiller
February 21st, 2007, 09:26 AM
This is why the area needs better public transportation than just crappy Long Island Bus. There needs to be public transportation that actually gets people with cars OUT of their cars. Direct rail service, coach bus service from towns across the island, something. Not this stupid light rail loop that some have suggested connects to the train station. Forcing people to transfer is not going to get riders. Atleast the county planning commission seems to be on the right track with rail service, with some flaws, but they've got the idea. Wang is talking about some sort of underground rail service as well as a trolley on the surface. The underground train will probably be gone from the plan VERY quickly. The trolley will just be within the hub. Sorry, but that's not going to help stave off traffic jams.

Punzie
February 21st, 2007, 03:43 PM
The amendment requires Lighthouse to hold community outreach meetings in those two towns also, and authorizes the supervisors of each to appoint a member to the project's oversight committee.
Oooh... hot bed, hot bed!

What will the criteria be for the these two members?

Can the two members be ANYBODY -- say, NIMBYs from Kings Point and Massapequa Harbor?

Or will there be some site-proximity residency requirement?

In my opinion, the Town of North Hempstead member should have live in Leg. Nicollelo's district; the Town of Oyster Bay member should live in the district that is closest to Eisenhower Park.

BrooklynRider
February 24th, 2007, 02:18 PM
This is why the area needs better public transportation than just crappy Long Island Bus. There needs to be public transportation that actually gets people with cars OUT of their cars. Direct rail service, coach bus service from towns across the island, something. Not this stupid light rail loop that some have suggested connects to the train station. Forcing people to transfer is not going to get riders. Atleast the county planning commission seems to be on the right track with rail service, with some flaws, but they've got the idea. Wang is talking about some sort of underground rail service as well as a trolley on the surface. The underground train will probably be gone from the plan VERY quickly. The trolley will just be within the hub. Sorry, but that's not going to help stave off traffic jams.

You got this exactly right. Nassau is not suburbia any longer and the business and shopping hub of Uniondale, Mineola, Carle Place, Westbury needs light rail at the very least. Why can't anyone build a monorail like Disney? It's the one part of Disney, after all these years, that still amazes me in its simplicity and its effectiveness. You'd think the country would have emulated that brilliance. Nassau certainly should. On the flip side, my last 10 years in Nassau were spent in Long Beach and I got rid of my car when I moved there. The public transit was that good (and the community sufficiently supported by the kind of retail I needed to live).

NIMBYkiller
February 24th, 2007, 06:35 PM
Yeah, Long Beach is really one of the few parts of the island you can live without a car. They have the City of Long Beach bus system, which I believe operates every 30 mins, the N15 which also is every 30 mins, and a lot of times more frequently, and the N33. Also, the LIRR service there is pretty good. Even then though, you're limited by distance, because once you start throwing in connecting bus services then you're gonna start running into problems.

And the thing with monorails is that people feel they are not an efficient mode of public transportation. I whole heartedly disagree, and think that a monorail line down the Meadowbrook to Freeport would be great.

Pandadoll
February 26th, 2007, 09:59 AM
Nassau County – A Future for Us All :cool:

It wasn't long ago that Nassau County had an Office of Cultural Affairs. During its tenure, Nassau County allocated 2-4 times more money in support of cultural organizations than did Suffolk County. Today the Suffolk County Cultural Affairs Department is flourishing, while in Nassau we have no governmental partner in this area. Now that Nassau County has turned the corner and is on firmer fiscal ground, we believe that it is time to renew our commitment to the arts.

The amount of creative energy here in Nassau County is unmatched; the air is alive with it. The area where we lack enthusiastic participation is in the role that our County government plays in supporting the creative community. The position should be a proactive one, providing guidance and assistance for the myriad organizations in our daily lives that promote culture with little or no assistance from our local officials. With the reestablishment of the Office of Cultural Development, these groups would have a place where answers could be found to the many questions and problems they face today. It is not only financial assistance that is needed, but a supportive and promotional agency that can raise the image of this cultural community.

Let’s not forget to mention the role that Public Arts projects can play in the overall enhancement of the quality of life in the localities in which they are welcomed. This aspect of our social structure is an integral part of a healthy, vibrant and economically sound community with a low crime rate. When the residents of an area take pride in their surroundings and are being productive members of society, there is a natural propensity for the population to be focused on their well being and less likely to participate in inappropriate social behavior. A safe and sound community alive with cultural activities is attractive for visitors to the area and a benefit to all. This added influx of temporary visitors can provide added revenue for the area as well as creating a more positive image for the County as a whole.

NIMBYkiller
April 1st, 2007, 08:34 PM
I took a walk today around the Nassau Community College east campus. The place just screams rail. It'd be so easy to extend the rail line that runs through Garden City the little bit to the plaza on east campus. While I don't know how many people attending the college live along the Hempstead line or in NYC, the county has proposed rebuilding the rail line to Mineola from Country Life Press, which will open the floodgates of opportunity.

Also, not only will it serve students, but folks who work in the area would benefit greatly as most of the bus connections that would be available do NOT run to either Mineola or Hempstead. So what is now a three seat ride would be a 2 seat ride, and much faster than the bus. Together, it makes public transportation to the hub FAR more attractive.

In the future, you have a straight, clear shot to the Nassau Coliseum(which is the center of a major development proposal). After that, another clear shot to Hofstra University.

It's so easy, and it makes so much sense. I can't understand why the county has not done this yet

Pandadoll
October 5th, 2007, 09:58 AM
Still think it would be a great idea to elaborate on the Cultural Arts Academy.

Long Island Living Museum of Fine Art....LILMOFA

Designed with idea that if you are going to encourage ARTS in SCHOOLS you need to give the FUTURE inhabitants a FUTURE job in the field.

Highlighting LIVING ARTISTS that actually work, as their occupation. Studios at the Museum where they work, create. People could come in, look around, watch the artists as they create. Sculpture, painting, pottery, dance, literature, every aspect of the culture that surrounds us.........

:cool:

Pandadoll
October 8th, 2007, 12:48 PM
The artistic community of Nassau County really WANT a representative for the "arts" here in NASSAU COUNTY. We don't care what you want to call it....Department of Cultural Affairs, Cultural Development, the title isn't that important to us. We don't know how to go about forming such an entity.....the arts are not political.....they are for everyone, everywhere. Artistic ability & interest cross all economic & intellectual boundaries. When "they" take these activities out of our educational institutions they are CHEATING everyone out of the ability to express & vent their opinions, emotions, in a non violent way.

We are looking for the support we need, in the public eye.

Help us get back this needed institution for our COUNTY.

:cool:

BrooklynRider
October 9th, 2007, 01:38 PM
I had the misfortune of being on the Meadowbrook Parkway and saw a sign for "Museum Row" just north of Eisenhower Park.

Museum Row in Nassau? C'mon.

Pandadoll
October 12th, 2007, 10:47 AM
Yeah....and your point?

:cool:

antinimby
November 10th, 2007, 12:13 AM
Plans due for Wang's $2-billion Lighthouse Project



BY ELIZABETH MOORE
9:45 PM EST, November 8, 2007 (http://www.newsday.com/news/local/nassau/ny-bzdev1109,0,3788431.story)

Plans for the "Lighthouse Project," the redevelopment of the Nassau Coliseum and its surrounding 77 acres are expected to be filed with the Town of Hempstead next week, sources familiar with the process said Thursday.

The complex $2-billion proposal, which is to include a bigger, better home for the New York Islanders as well as a mixture of housing, offices, a five-star hotel and retail development along a grand canal, is viewed by County Executive Thomas Suozzi as the keystone of his "New Suburbia" plans for central Nassau. The plans also feature a minor-league baseball stadium, conference and exhibition facilities, an athletic complex and sports technology center.

Charles Wang, owner of the hockey team, and Scott Rechler, chief executive and chairman of Uniondale-based RexCorp Realty, were selected by Nassau County to redevelop the county-owned property under a 99-year lease that has not been finalized. Hempstead must first evaluate the plans proposed by Lighthouse Development Group, a joint venture of Wang and Rechler to redevelop the arena.Baltimore-based Development Design Group Inc. and The Spector Group of Woodbury are the master planners for the redevelopment project.

The aged, obsolete Coliseum has been a chronic source of frustration for the Islanders, who say Wang is losing $20 million a season and that fans and talented players are harder to attract because of it. Wang has been working to redevelop the arena since 2003.

The redevelopment proposal sites the new Coliseum within what the developers envision as a vibrant "24/7" center of entertainment and cultural events that might draw game spectators, other visitors and its own residents to come early and stay late to stroll, browse and dine.

The Lighthouse Group has formed a steering committee of community, business and government leaders to provide feedback and advice as traffic, environmental and other reviews proceed.

Copyright © 2007, Newsday Inc.

ramvid01
November 10th, 2007, 06:02 PM
Judging from the renderings it seems to be pretty well planned out but the reality is that the project is missing an important factor and that is transportation. I really think that if this project is to succeed some kind of light rail should be built to connect the many points of interest in the area but I highly doubt that would ever happen as many but not all LIers will see this as an invasion of their suburban rights. :rolleyes:

investordude
November 10th, 2007, 06:05 PM
Except for travelling to Manhattan, the infrastructure for public transit just isn't there. People are only willing to take public transit if its reasonably convenient. How do you get from Great Neck to this place on public transit in any reasonable path. Even from Brooklyn and parts of Queens, public transit would be a major hassle.

ASchwarz
November 10th, 2007, 06:12 PM
The LIRR has an unused line adjacent to this development.

Couldn't it be revived and integrated with existing passenger service?

ramvid01
November 10th, 2007, 06:16 PM
Investordude I did not mean LI as a whole but the area itself. What i had in mind was more a light rail connecting Roosevelt Field to Hofstra and Nassau Coliseum.

investordude
November 10th, 2007, 06:32 PM
I'd imagine most people in LI will balk at anything that results in higher taxes unless its absolutely essential.

antinimby
November 10th, 2007, 10:15 PM
They're fools then. Light rail would do wonders for the "Island" in reducing traffic. People need to get out of their driving culture and embrace mass transit more.

Long Islanders are even worst than city residents in being backwards thinking sometimes.

JCMAN320
November 15th, 2007, 08:59 PM
Just saw it on the Islanders pre-game show tonight; the Lighthouse porject is revamped an alive apparently. They are saying construction will start in 08. Here is new site:

http://www.lighthouseli.com/

antinimby
November 16th, 2007, 04:04 AM
Anyone else feels underwhelmed by the latest design? Needs light rail to be successful, otherwise it'll feel just like another residential area surrounding a mall.

From Newsday (http://www.newsday.com/business/ny-bzlh-sg,0,3307582.storygallery):

http://www.newsday.com/media/photo/2007-11/33751488.jpg
Rendering of the Ice Rink

http://www.newsday.com/media/photo/2007-11/33751486.jpg
Rendering of the Celebrity Plaza

http://www.newsday.com/media/photo/2007-11/33751485.jpg
Rendering of the residential area

http://www.newsday.com/media/photo/2007-11/33751484.jpg
Rendering of the retail area

http://www.newsday.com/media/photo/2007-11/33751490.jpg
Rendering of the Canal for Long Island

http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/8628/lighthouseaerialpn5.png
Aerial rendering of the project

Dynamicdezzy
November 19th, 2007, 03:47 PM
This project seems very promising. It could definitely use public trans. If there was light rail in this area and maybe a LIRR shuttle between Jamaica and/or Penn, this place would be an even hotter spot.

Jim856796
July 6th, 2008, 02:43 PM
As part of the renovation project, I hope somebody increases the seating capacity to over 17,000 (the arena currently seats 16,234), puts in some luxury boxes, and redesigns the exterior of this Coliseum.

NIMBYkiller
July 30th, 2008, 11:53 PM
Supposedly, the N58 used to run to Hempstead. There you'd just transfer to the N70/N71/N72. With LRT perhaps there could be a line to Great Neck from the hub. After all, a lot of the LIMP ROW is still available for use

Also, I'd still prefer if Glen Curtis Blvd extended through the site to Quentin Roosevelt Blvd like in the Suozzi plan

Here's my plan: http://maps.google.com/maps/mm?ie=UTF8&hl=en&ll=37.0625,-95.677068&spn=40.307679,73.828125&z=3
Light green: Residential
Dark green: Park
Dark Blue: Office buildings
Orange: College
Red: Museum Row
Brown: Marriott Hotel
Baby Blue: Coliseum
Purple: Arcade/Movie Theatre/other entertainment
Pink: Stores/Shops with a canal running down the center
Yellow: Industrial
Yellow lines: new streets
Black line: new railroad tracks

Matter of opinion, perhaps they could have apartments geared towards students for NCC students. Many of them want to be out of their parents homes and would greatly appreciate a location close to campus. With the cost of transportation going up across the board, having a home within walking distance would be of great value to these students and would add to the vibrance and excitement of the community

Pandadoll
August 6th, 2008, 10:48 AM
I'd like the CULTURAL ACADEMY here in NASSAU COUNTY.


:cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool:

JCMAN320
November 29th, 2010, 07:04 PM
In the Region | Long Island
Differing ‘Visions’ for Nassau Coliseum Site
By MARCELLE S. FISCHLER
Published: July 23, 2010

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2010/07/25/realestate/25lizo/25lizo-articleInline.jpg
Barton Silverman/The New York Times
Edward P. Mangano, the Nassau County executive, called Hempstead’s proposals for the site near the coliseum “economically unviable.”

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2010/07/25/realestate/25lizo2/25lizo2-articleInline.jpg
Chester Higgins Jr./The New York Times
Kate Murray, the town supervisor, said the plan is to keep the “suburban character.”

IN unveiling smaller-scale plans earlier this month for the 77 acres surrounding the Nassau Veterans Memorial Coliseum, Kate Murray, Hempstead’s town supervisor, cited a desire to keep the “suburban character of surrounding communities.”

Describing her alternative as “on a scale we can all live with,” she said it was needed to “jump-start the stalled Lighthouse,” the $3.8 billion mixed-used plan championed by Charles Wang, the owner of the Islanders hockey team, and the developer Scott Rechler as a way to finance a makeover of the coliseum.

The plan as proposed, Ms. Murray said, is “not workable” and dense enough to be a “mini city.”

But the Nassau County executive, Edward P. Mangano, and the Lighthouse Development Group responded in a joint statement that although they had not yet reviewed the town’s “new vision” for the coliseum site, it appeared to be “economically unviable” for both the developer and the county, which owns the site.

That in turn set off talk of the Islanders’ possibly relocating to Queens, or of a casino on the site by the Shinnecock Indian Nation of Southampton.

“Our priority is keeping the Islanders in Nassau and moving forward with an economic development project that has the potential to create jobs and put people back to work,” Mr. Mangano said in a separate statement. Beverly Jensen, a spokeswoman for the Shinnecock, said recently that both Nassau and Suffolk Counties had approached the tribe about land for a casino.

According to an April report in Newsday, Mr. Mangano described a casino on or near the Nassau Coliseum site as “a very viable alternative” and a way to fix the county’s budget shortfalls.

Should a casino come to pass, it would not be subject to local zoning codes. “Hempstead would have no authority,” Ms. Murray said.

Lance Gumbs, a senior trustee for the Shinnecock, said that the tribe had been “looking at all the land pieces that are available to us,” and that those who had approached them “understand the benefits” to the surrounding area “as far as improving the infrastructure and the amount of revenue to come into the locality.”

He also said a casino would include “an entertainment facility, a convention center and a destination resort” as well as retail.

Randy King, the chairman of the Shinnecock, added that the resort would be a family-friendly destination but “would only go in a community that wants it.”

Finding a community may be a challenge. Stuart Rabinowitz, the president of Hofstra University, which is adjacent to the site, said that a casino would be “counterproductive to everything every college is trying to do” and that with 50,000 students in the area, there would be “tremendous opposition to a casino.”

With a medical school set to open at Hofstra next year as well as a ramped-up School of Engineering and an emerging biotechnology hub, Mr. Rabinowitz said Hofstra had been an early cheerleader for the Lighthouse.

“We see a need for office space near us, for workforce housing for the scholars and the students to live in,” he said.

Calling the prospect of a casino “awful,” Mr. Rabinowitz added that “casinos are not the miracle drug that municipal economies pretend they are, and they clearly create negative impacts.” He also said scholars and researchers “would not be attracted to live and work in an area where there were busloads of New York City people coming to gamble.”

Ms. Murray says her plan is “half the size and density” of the $3.8 billion mixed-use Lighthouse proposal but allows for many of the same features: convention facilities, hotels, retail, restaurants, offices and entertainment uses as well as renovating the Nassau Coliseum.

With traffic a major stumbling block in this town of nearly 800,000 that is 98 percent developed, the plan also provides for traffic mitigation, streets with bike paths, pedestrian walkways and green building technologies. “We want to create a human-scale, walkable, workable development,” Ms. Murray said, that will “become a destination.”

The town board will consider the new plan at a future public hearing.

The Lighthouse project includes a hotel, a convention center and a refurbished coliseum; it calls for 8.8 million square feet of buildings with two 35-story towers. Town officials describe it as having a floor-area ratio of 4.0, although the Lighthouse Development Corporation puts the number at 1.75. (Floor-area ratio is a measure of density.)

Ms. Murray’s plan allows for 5.4 million square feet of construction; she says it has a floor-area ration of 1.6 — a greater density than previously allowed in the town. The plan allows for a nine-story hotel, the same height as the Marriott nearby. Buildings for retail, office space and residential uses, as well as research and development, can be up to four stories.

Pearl M. Kamer, the chief economist of the Long Island Association and formerly an economic consultant to the Lighthouse, said that “when you cut density on any project, you cut revenue.” Development, Ms. Kamer said, has to generate enough money to renovate the coliseum and make transportation improvements.

Ms. Murray’s alternative “would certainly make it more difficult,” she said, and might even make it impossible.

But Gary Hudes, a town councilman from East Meadow, said that residents wanted the project “scaled back where they could continue to enjoy the suburban lifestyle.” He added, “A plan like this gives residents that lifestyle.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/25/realestate/25lizo.html?_r=1

Newarkguy
November 30th, 2010, 08:28 PM
LOL!! from 30 story office towers to 4 story? What is Ms.Murray smoking?? She wants a "human scale,walkable,workable development" We already have that.....its called Manhattan island,NYC!!!!! The dumb suburbanites want to pour a city gallon into a suburban pint!! HA! I hope the Islanders DO go to Queens!

JCMAN320
August 2nd, 2011, 07:00 PM
NY official seeks new ideas for hockey arena site

By FRANK ELTMAN, Associated Press
1 hour, 50 minutes ago

MINEOLA, N.Y. (AP)—A day after voters soundly defeated the idea of borrowing $400 million for a new arena, NHL Commissioner Gary Bettman said Tuesday that the league would strive to keep the New York Islanders from leaving town when the team’s lease expires in 2015.

Meanwhile, Nassau County officials announced plans to open the 77-acre parcel to any developer interested in proposing new ideas for the site.

Voters, in a rare midsummer referendum, rejected a plan that would have replaced the 39-year-old coliseum, as well as develop a nearby minor league ballpark and possibly an indoor track and field facility. According to unofficial results from Monday’s vote, the referendum failed 57 percent to 43 percent.

Nassau County residents pay some of the highest property taxes in the country, and although supporters of the referendum claimed tax increases would average $14 to $58 a year, most voters opted against spending public money to benefit the privately owned sports franchise.

The county is currently under the thumb of a state-appointed fiscal watchdog after citing a budget deficit of more than $100 million earlier this year. In late June, 128 county workers were laid off in a budget-cutting measure.

County Executive Edward Mangano backed the referendum as a way of keeping the hockey team from leaving as well as to spur economic development and job growth. He said he would welcome proposals from Islanders owner Charles Wang and anyone else.

Wang, whose 2003 plan for a multibillion-dollar private development of the property foundered amid community opposition, was expected to issue a statement on Wednesday, a team spokeswoman said.

After the vote Monday night, Wang said he was heartbroken but did not want to make any immediate pronouncements about the team’s future. He promised to honor the team’s lease through 2015.

Bettman said in a statement Tuesday that the league would work with the Islanders “to explore whatever options still may be available in light of what obviously is not a positive development. Our goal is for the team to remain on Long Island and we still hope that objective can be realized.”

Mangano said he wants to keep the hockey team in the county but was willing to listen to alternate ideas for the land.

“I encourage all those with a plan to contact the county immediately,” he said. He set a deadline of Aug. 12 for developers to submit proposals but conceded he would extend the time period if necessary.

The Association for a Better Long Island, a real estate group that opposed the referendum, issued a conciliatory statement after Mangano’s announcement.

“He has appropriately challenged the private sector to present to him innovative ideas and options that achieve the strategic objective of a new coliseum and synergistic development,” said ABLI board member Vincent Polimeni. “We accept that challenge.”

Because Wang has said he would have to consider his options for the team’s future should the referendum fail, some have speculated he could either sell the franchise or move to another city. The computer software mogul said last week he has lost nearly $240 million since buying the team 11 years ago.

Some have suggested the team could move to the new basketball arena being built in Brooklyn. One Suffolk County politician lobbied Wang last week to consider moving to eastern Long Island.

Veteran hockey broadcaster and writer Stan Fischler said Monday’s vote is not the final chapter in the Islanders’ story in Nassau County.

“There are reasons to be optimistic about them staying,” Fischler told The Associated Press in a telephone interview, citing cities that said no to new arenas and stadiums only to get them later.

“What happened last night is not going to be the Great Wall,” he said. “It’s an obstacle that they’ll surmount some way or other.”

Despite having the lowest average attendance and finishing with the second fewest wins in the league last season, he predicted better results in the future.

“The team is one of the most promising teams in the NHL. You can ask any hockey expert. They’ve got a young core,” he said. “It’s very easy to say they’re going to leave and go to Brooklyn or they’re going to leave and go to Flushing and Suffolk County. But this is a prime spot that they’re in now.”

http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/news?slug=ap-nassaucoliseumredevelopment