One 57 - 157 West 57th Street - 1003 feet - by Christian de Portzamparc

[ZippyTheChimp]

I don't expect much from this building, other than it'll be tall.

[lofter1]

Derek2k3: Yea, that building is rubbish, why acknowledge it?
But I must admit C57 looks like bigger 2011 version of that same chintzy theme.
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The 21-story Nippon Club Tower (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nippon_Club_Tower&action=edit&redlink=1), which was erected by the club at 145 West 57th Street, between Seventh Avenue and the Avenue of the Americas in mid-town Manhattan. The club facilities encompasses a restaurant and tea room, banquet facilities, a ballroom, classrooms, and an exhibition gallery; however, unlike many similar clubs in Manhattan, overnight hotel accommodations were not included. The modern structure, designed by Norboru Uenishi (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Norboru_Uenish&action=edit&redlink=1), is faced with glass and granite.[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nippon_Club_(New_York)#cite_note-nyt1989-3) The facade is meant to be an abstract rendering of the Manhattan street grid, complete with the diagonal interruption of Broadway.

[futurecity]

With this new building, it is really a nice feeling to know that NYC hasn't abandoned the supertall skyscraper and it still has an interest in going beyond the box. However, it is not a vary unusual building that could really evoke wows. I hope to see more innovative scrapers built with more unusual shapes but I fear that NY's rigid structure and rigid development process will preclude such innovation. However, what is worrying is how quickly a city, primarily known for skyscrapers, has fallen behind upstart cities like Mumbai, for example, and countless others.

Mumbai!!! FFS. Out of nowhere, Mumbai has 15 supertalls either U/C or proposed. In a 5-10 year span, Mumbai will exceed the overall height of NYC top towers, a skyscraper collection that has taken decades to build. A city recently known for its slums and poverty, will suddenly be on the fast track to becoming a taller, more design innovative NYC. Some of them are real stunners too that would eclipse anything manhattan has outside of its collection of classic scrapers, and of course some are banal too. However, the whole rise of Mumbai and the speed is really jaw dropping!

I really think NYC needs to build a stunning tower far more radical and odd than this one, something that breaks the design mold of NYC, and paves the way for a new design paradigm that embodies a more playful approach to design. I think of London's Gherkin that paved the way for a modernistic revolution (shard, pinnacle, etc, etc). Although NYC would never go down that route, we need to do something better than build boring boxes that go 450m high.

I really would love to see a tower that just makes people say, 'what the bleep'n hell is that'. This city has gone far too conservative for my liking. Needs more quirky style in its buildings, something to show the world that NYC isn't all button-down-joe. We must begin to bring some style back into our buildings just like what Seoul has achieved with its collection of playful and provocative buildings that has had that city named by many onlookers as the 'new tokyo', or Asias style city.

Since NYC can never again be known for its daring audacious technological skyscraper design that pushes envelopes in height and size, it must at least innovate in design and show that it can indeed be more than canyons of cliff-like glass faces. We have seen far too many banalities built recently that are just disgusting and make you want to shake your head.

[BrooklynLove]

I don't expect much from this building, other than it'll be tall.

I love this comment.

[ZippyTheChimp]

Why?

I think I once said that about a date.

[BrooklynLove]

It so simply and effectively captures a sentiment that seems impossibly absurd - that someone would build something exceptionally tall that is unexceptional.

[lofter1]

Drum roll in preparation for the slap down (http://wirednewyork.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5465&p=374598&viewfull=1#post374598) for such a collection of insensitive opinions.

"LOL"

:confused:

[stache]

Perhaps we can blame this on change of season...

[Alonzo-ny]

I couldn't agree more, Zip/BL.

[ASchwarz]

Mumbai!!! FFS. Out of nowhere, Mumbai has 15 supertalls either U/C or proposed. In a 5-10 year span, Mumbai will exceed the overall height of NYC top towers, a skyscraper collection that has taken decades to build.

This is nonsense. Mumbai barely has any highrises built or proposed.

Obviously a skyline is the sum of its thousands of parts, not some cherry-picked 15 proposals. And no city has all (or even the strong majority) of proposals actually get built.

[futurecity]

An impressive skyline can develop very quickly, especially if it is using 300m+ buildings as a foundation just like Dubai. Also, this is India, which is entering its adolescent stage of growth and its discovery of the supertall. I would predict that most of these proposals go up given the boom age India is now entering, just like Manhattan boomed in the early 20th century and 60/70s.

As of now, yes Mumbai has few tall buildings but if you check out the status, many are now U/C all at once. I believe they have around 5+ supertalls U/C already with another 5+ proposed. It is trending the Dubai route now (which has 20+ supertalls). However, in Mumbai, you will see density due to the structure of the population and the shape of the landmass. The only problem is the risk of overbuilding like Dubai. However, the population and the growing economy of India means that Dubai and Mumbai are nothing a like.

Most of the proposals are for the most part much more modern (i.e, design adventurous using curves more liberally) and taller than the average NYC skyscraper and given Mumbai's rapid development, it will surely have more and more proposals as time goes on. Some are practically art, like the Namaste or India towers. I'm not saying NYC doesn't have great scrapers (Ghery, WTC2, etc), just that Mumbai's proposals are far more interesting to the eye than the average NYC box. Also I'm not comparing Mumbai and NYC as cities, just skycraper development here.

Anyway, when you think of the shape of the Mumbai area the fact that it is one of the most dense cities in the world (most dense metro), it is only natural that we will be seeing the birth of the next Manhattan (albeit not in the same structure) or Dubai in terms of # of tall buildings. The density of Mumbai is staggering. Try fitting the entire NYC metro area into 1/4+ of the land area. It is only natural that as India becomes the #1 GDP economy in the world in 2050 as predicted by Citibank, Mumbai will become the NYC of India, and will most likely be a prime candidate for the tallest overall city in the world given its extreme population and lack of space. Think HK on steroids. Overall, it is a city that is known for its slums and poverty, is on track to surpass the mother of skyscraper cities and one of the richest world cities in height and modern design in a mere 10 years of development if the current trend holds. It just shows you that you can't rest on your laurels in the architectural world, you can easily become a has-been if you don't keep innovating. I fear NYC lacks innovation in design and will fall behind the emerging markets in terms of modern design.

[stache]

Mumbai is already the NYC of India.

[futurecity]

Mumbai is already the NYC of India.

Yes it is, and it is on track to becoming a city of immense skyscrapers clustered together in a small area with interesting designs. I'm concerned that Manhattan and US design is rather dull compared to these emerging markets. It is almost like we are resting on our laurels design wise. It seems that most of the interesting design is done in developing countries with a few exceptions (London, etc). It is sad that NYC boomed in such a horrible time for buildings (60's, 70's). Same with Tokyo. I despise boring boxes and instead I look up to the amazing designs we see coming out of Seoul, Mumbai, and Shanghai, rather than the boxes of midtown manhattan or tokyo.

[stache]

Manhattan's first boom was in the 1920's.

[ZippyTheChimp]

India has huge problems that won't be solved by building skyscrapers.

[lofter1]

Cleats are up quite a ways on the 58th Street floorplates. Facade panels to start soon?

[futurecity]

India has huge problems that won't be solved by building skyscrapers.

When did I ever mention that skyscrapers are a panacea?



Skylines cant solve problems of mumbai, but they do indicate growing wealth which is the first stage in addressing these problems.

Anyway, for a city like NYC, a building like this one is quite on the adventurous side compared to what we have gotten recently, so I'm pleased. Perhaps we'll be moving towards a more interesting residential skyscraper design in the future. However, I'm worried that the Drake Hotel site will be a major downer.

[ZippyTheChimp]

See your post 761. I could find others, but what's the point.

Or did you expect me to find the word panacea?


Skylines cant solve problems of mumbai, but they do indicate growing wealth which is the first stage in addressing these problems.That's not generally true in the developing world. More often it masks underlying social and economic problems, and intensifies those problems by increasing the gulf between rich and poor.

And if you're talking skylines, you have to include boxy buildings. As economic machines, which are more efficient, curvy or boxy buildings?

[stache]

Please don't bother him with details.

[RoldanTTLB]

Maybe more concentration of wealth than growth. That's certainly been the case in NYC, and I would put money on it being the case elsewhere.

[londonlawyer]

Roldan, have you seen the progress, if any, on the demolition at 220 W58th? How about 221 W57th? Has demo started on the floors above Morton Williams at 225?

[RoldanTTLB]

Have to admit, I'm not in town this week! That said, the water tower was gone from 221 last week (so demo has definitely started). The school had scaffolding up, but no netting yet, so no exterior demo yet. All this is as of last, eh, Wednesday. I'll probably swing by next Tuesday.

[londonlawyer]

Thanks.

[lofter1]

School is now completely netted / scaffolded; Demo imminent. Nothing happening above Morton Williams as of yet.

[londonlawyer]

Thanks, Lofter.

[Brian Dino Vabec]

MIDTOWN—Following our One57 consruction update last week, a tipster tells us the building is just starting to get its skin from the ground up. Progress! Anyone got pics? We'll take 'em. [CurbedWire Inbox]
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[Derek2k3]

Didn't see any panels.

Such an unassuming place for a building this tall. Hard to believe this will be about as tall as 1 WTC's current height.

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Does any other city have an infill supertall like this? Most towers of this height have at least 3 sides fronting a street. In fact almost all supertalls rise from a superblock consisting of a large retail podium/ plaza. Glad we do things differently here, creates a much more interesting cityscape.

Too bad those kinds of blockbusters are planned for the West Side.



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Though this pic doesn't do it justice, I think the NW corner of 7th and Central Park South is one the most architecturally fulfilling moments in the city (at least when high-rises are concerned). Will be exciting to see how this tower will become part of it.

[RoldanTTLB]

They're moving the crane over to the setback!? That's awesome. Maybe the facade will wait until the current crane is removed (assuming it goes).

[DKNY617]

September 30th, 2011

I took these shots from the 14th floor of Hunter College on 68th street and Park Avenue. :) I work there, but not on that floor, luckily no students were in classes today due to a holiday and I could take the shot! :D (Sorry they are a bit hazy, I had to take the shots through windows which were dirty. :P)

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[Brian Dino Vabec]

2nd crane is up..

[RoldanTTLB]

The weather was beautiful this morning. On top of that, there's just something about this building. I feel quite moved standing under it. Not sure why, yet, although I love the leaning columns all over the place (take a look at the north side as we curve towards the first edge...

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[londonlawyer]

Roldan,

Can you post some photos of 221/225 W57th?

[RoldanTTLB]

I didn't really take any pics today, since there hasn't been much action over there. Do we have a separate thread for it? I think it'd be better to post stuff there if we do. I can do some hunting.

[londonlawyer]

I didn't really take any pics today, since there hasn't been much action over there. Do we have a separate thread for it? I think it'd be better to post stuff there if we do. I can do some hunting.

THanks. You live in that area, right? I used to.

[RoldanTTLB]

Which area? Midtown? No. Manhattan? Yes. I'm up in Washington Heights, but I commute down to Wall St. every day, so I have to go past this stuff no matter. I just like taking walks otherwise.

[LeCom]

Does anyone know if the lobby will feature any sort of public access, or, better yet, a mid-block walkthrough to connect with the rest of the Holly Whyte Way?

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[RoldanTTLB]

Nothing about what they're doing so far suggests that it does, but I've never seen news one way or the other.

[stache]

I don't think they would push that through a two way street.

[LeCom]

Good point, but pedestrian midblock crossings exist over some two way streets, like the one on 42nd between 7th and 8th. Granted, that area has a higher pedestrian volume, but these are long blocks that the city has been trying to fracture for a few decades by now (in the form of Holly Whyte Way arcades, for instance). Don't forget that Lexington and Madison were inserted into the New York street grid for that same exact purpose.

[stache]

I understand what you're saying but that would expose the city to potential lawsuits unless they put in a mid block pedestrian traffic signal.

[LeCom]

Those are already planned for the existing arcade, which will be officially dedicated with a parade this Saturday. If One57 goes through with this, and the Jumeirah Essex House makes its lobby more publicly available, a pedestrian could walk a midblock trail from the Rockefeller Center all the way to Central Park.

[stache]

I just don't see the point to this.

[Peteynyc1]

There are a few glass panels going up on the North side of the building. You have to look on an angle from across 57th Street.

[antinimby]

Did you mean the south side?

[Peteynyc1]

Ooops, I mean on the West Side of the building. In that last picture above, its in the center all the way down, just above the smaller building. hard to see with that existing building next to the little one. Looks like your standard blue glass so far. I could not see the quality.

[stache]

Construction still seems slow on this but maybe that's just me.

[scumonkey]

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[DKNY617]

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[antinimby]

Barnett talks about his favorite architects, the rental boom and the art of assemblage


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Gary Barnett, president of Extell Development, gives a presentation at the Center for Architecture


October 28, 2011 (http://therealdeal.com/newyork/articles/gary-barnett-of-extell-development-talks-about-his-favorite-architects-the-rental-boom-and-the-art-of-assemblage) 12:00PM
By Katherine Clarke

In the lead up to receiving his 2011 Heritage Ball award Thursday, honoree and Extell Development President Gary Barnett made an appearance the night before at the Center for Architecture on LaGuardia Place to speak about his past and present projects. It being an architecture event, Barnett revealed how he chooses which architects to work with, the cost of design in the current market and why it's taking longer to get projects built.

"We like to spread the business around, but we do have some favorite architects," said Barnett, who has worked with a slew of big name architecture firms including SOM, Christian de Portzamparc and SLCE on his New York City projects. Extell's preoccupation with layouts means that the projects often design themselves from the inside out, he added, making the architect's role slimmer and more challenging.

"We were thinking, 'what can he do with this?'" Barnett said of giving the specifications for his new development One57 at 157 West 57th Street to de Portzamparc, with the footprint, setbacks and floor plans already established. The developer said he was amazed by what de Portzamparc was able to do with the design, coming back with various proposals for the building. In the end, Barnett chose one of the most affordable options, He said. Meanwhile Barnett is asking sky-high prices for the units, with presale prices ranging from $3,000 to $8,285 per square foot.

While One57 is a condominium development, Barnett said the rental market is where the action is at the moment. "Right now, it seems like there's unlimited demand for rentals and it's all happening when the economy is not even doing so well," he told The Real Deal. "What happens when there's a boom? We could really see a spike in asking rents. We're doing a 600,000-square-foot building which will be a rental product."

When The Real Deal asked Barnett for more information on his new rental building after the event, he declined to comment.

Architecture also brings tourists to the city, which is a boost to the economy, Barnett said during the event. "New York City is becoming like Disney Land a little bit, which is a good thing," he told the audience. "Tourists enjoy seeing new exciting modern design. This is what makes life better for everyone in the city."

Challenges for developers operating in this economy come mainly from getting financing, he added, limiting the size of buildings that are breaking ground.

"Small projects are getting done because they don't cost a lot of money. Demand is there but the question is, how do you get these things built? There is a tremendous desire to build new, but in the last six months financing has actually gone backwards… Construction timing has also gone up given the city restrictions over safety. It's slower. Buildings are taking longer to build, maybe 20 to 30 percent longer."

In a shocking admission, Barnett said it had taken him almost 13 years to get One57 off the ground.

"[One57] was really truly a challenge to get done. I've been working on it really since 1998. It's an interesting assemblage story. At one point in the process, I decided I wanted the building next door [to where the building currently is]. I offered the owner five times what it was worth and they turned it down. So I said 'that's it' and threw in the towel."

Later, when construction had already begun on One57, the owner came back and said he would sell after all.

"I was very happy to say 'no, we're not interested anymore,'" Barnett recalled. "I probably shouldn't say that."

© 2011 The Real Deal

[antinimby]

So now we know that Portzamparc probably had other more stunning designs for this project but Gary Barnett cheaped out on this one.

No surprise.

[Derek2k3]

This happens on almost every project. Architects don't work in a vacuum with an unlimited budget.
Perhaps you can donate some money to Barnett for a better design.

[antinimby]

Actually, it vindicates Portzamparc, who seem to have gotten a bad rap for the current lukewarm design.

I would've like to see what his other proposals looked like.

[antinimby]

Derek - Are you on his payroll or something?

Is there any part of my statement about Barnett cheapening out that isn't true?



The developer said he was amazed by what de Portzamparc was able to do with the design, coming back with various proposals for the building. In the end, Barnett chose one of the most affordable options, He said. Meanwhile Barnett is asking sky-high prices for the units, with presale prices ranging from $3,000 to $8,285 per square foot.

And you think he needs my donation?

[Derek2k3]

Yep, architects in this city do their best to work around tight budgets, high construction costs, tight zoning regulations and sometimes greedy developers.
Why most design firms produce their best work elsewhere. Any tower that goes up in NY is not really a reflection of the firms design skill but rather how well they can juggle various regulations and tight budgets to still produce competent design. Kaufman & Poon are among the few I’ve seen with no aesthetic sensibility, but surely if Renzo Piano had McSam as a client with a McSam budget, he’d be pressed to produce something much better.

[Derek2k3]

I don't think he's cheaping out, I think he can't afford to produce something better.

[futurecity]

The developer chose the most suitable design that makes the best business sense. That's all there is to it. Development is a business, and just like when Apple or Sony start a new project, a building product is developed with costs and return on investment as the #1 priority so that the business can remain profitable, pay its staff and continue to operate for years to come.. Don't just automatically assume that he was greedy and took the cheap way out. You don't even know if he could have chosen the more elaborate design without harming his ability to continue with future projects. People sometimes astound me here. If you want to blame someone, blame NYC and its strict zoning regulations and high construction costs. Hell, why not blame the overall layout of the city itself.

I'm sure he could have gone to town with an amazing design, but who knows it such a risk would have destroyed his business down the road or not, nobody here knows.

[stache]

We're so glad you do.

[antinimby]

Don't just automatically assume that he was greedy and took the cheap way.Umm...no one assumed, it was clearly stated in that article as such:


The developer said he was amazed by what de Portzamparc was able to do with the design, coming back with various proposals for the building. In the end, Barnett chose one of the most affordable options, He said. Meanwhile Barnett is asking sky-high prices for the units, with presale prices ranging from $3,000 to $8,285 per square foot.

Can you read?

So in essence, he picked the cheapest build option and then turn around and charge sky-high prices. Yeah, that isn't greed at all.:rolleyes:

[econ_tim]

i'm sure it would have been cheaper not to hire portzamparc, not to have setbacks, etc.

[antinimby]

He wanted Portzamparc's name, for marketing purposes. This is really Extell's first foray into this ultra luxury market here in Central Park South.

Kondylis wasn't going to do.

Also...since when did a couple of setbacks became expensive to do? It's actually advantageous to include setbacks so one can build higher.

[NoyokA]

At the end of the day this will be a gorgeous building. The glass and shape is already turning out far better than the renderings suggested. And 1.3 billion dollars for a building, especially a residential is not thrifty.

[antinimby]

Like I said before, that's more of a testimony to Portzamparc talents than Barnett's altruism or whatever you want to call it.

[DKNY617]

November 9th, 2011

(Sorry for the hazy images. Today wasn't the clearest of days and add that with a dirty window and you get these beauties! :D )

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[stache]

It's filling in that skyline gap pretty nicely.

[RoldanTTLB]

This building is going to fill it in, then kick the crap out of it. It's one thing to talk about how tall this is on paper, but the fact that it is effectively an essex house on top of either of the buildings it is rising next to remains mind boggling to me. It's right up there with watching the WTC from the train in Jersey. It's just killing it and there's still so much to go.

[Gulcrapek]

11/10/11

South & east

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[londonlawyer]

Beautiful!

[MidtownApt]

Don't get too close. The glass being used is unbelievably ugly.

[londonlawyer]

I've seen it up close and like it.

[Sid]

Any word about how much/what kind of retail it will have in the base?

[DKNY617]

November 12th, 2011

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[stache]

How do they correct those colors from the inside, or would you be looking through different color panes in the same room? :confused:

[infoshare]

That facade is Similar to the look of the 'blue condo' building in the east village - that type of faceted, multicolored curtain wall is very attractive. Nice!

[Derek2k3]

Looking towards the Midtown mountain range, captured 2 days ago.

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[stache]

This has been the prettiest fall I can remember for a long time.

[Tectonic]

I thought it was just me, seemed extra pretty this year.

[Pinkie]

It was due to all of the rain we had since the end of the summer.....

[Tectonic]

Ahhh that would have been my first guess.

[kz1000ps]

An hour ago:

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[Merry]

^ That last pic's a beauty :).

\/ WOW!

http://ny.curbed.com/uploads/one57render_12_11.jpg

http://ny.curbed.com/archives/2011/12/05/midtowns_massive_one57_officially_launches_sales.p hp

[infoshare]

First class glass!

Thanx for the fine photos.

[londonlawyer]

This is turning out to be quite nice.

[lofter1]

Check out the crazy VID at the One57 website (http://www.one57.com/#!/watch) ...

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[londonlawyer]

Magnificent! Nonetheless, I anticipate something even taller and better at 225!

[NoyokA]

I like this building a lot. One little pet peeve though - the window at the top show be intended, ala Citicorp Center instead of protruding as it currently is.

[DKNY617]

December 8th, 2011

(Pictures taken through a dirty window! SORRY! :D)

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t263/DKNY617/IMG_3090.jpg
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[antinimby]

Did a screen grab from Extell's website (http://www.extelldev.com/extell_development.html).


http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/7249/one57.jpg

[lofter1]

The pool is snazzy: Pic #5 -- http://www.extelldev.com/extell_residential_157west57th.html

[HoveringCheesecake]

That night picture is particularly nice.

[lofter1]

Big V for Vendetta shining high in the sky :cool:

Just to keep the 1% inside on their toes.

[lofter1]

I never liked that boxy top. So I adjusted it ...

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[antinimby]

Nah, now that looks like 80's PoMo.

[lofter1]

Better than the NYC version of the walkie talkie, though ... yes?

[BrooklynLove]

Man, this building is totally squashing the central park views from the two highrises just to the south.

[lofter1]

From many points in Central Park the bulk of One57 has risen just tall enough to form a complete backdrop for the old illuminated Essex House sign facing the park. Given the alignment of the towers along 57th (http://g.co/maps/nrzdz) it seems that some folks in the Carnegie tower will still have good views of the park to the NW. And the slant of the Metropolitan will still offer views past One 57 to the NE. But, even with the setbacks at One57, almost all direct north views from either tower are definitely blocked. And I can only imagine the glare that One57 will offer to its neighbors to the south when the glass rises.

[antinimby]

Sunday 12/18/2011

This thing is already huge especially when you are standing underneath it and looking up. I know the multi-color glass is not a very popular thing here on this forum (see the heat the Westin-Times Square gets) but I like it here.

My poor picture quality does not do it justice.


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[londonlawyer]

I pass this tower frequently and like the glass.

Did you notice that most of the site for 225 W57th has been razed?

[HoveringCheesecake]

I like the glass as well. That dorm building Chicago ended up looking pretty good and it had the alternating glass colors.

[lesterp4]

I walked past the 225 site on 58th and there were two bulldozers diggin away

[londonlawyer]

Good news!

[londonlawyer]

I like the glass as well. That dorm building Chicago ended up looking pretty good and it had the alternating glass colors.

Cool. Have you seen the tower in Chicago in person?

[lofter1]

The north facade above West 58th, today around noon: No stripes or checker board here ...

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/Midtown/Carnegie 57 - 157 West 57th Street/111219_One57_North58th_1.jpg

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/Midtown/Carnegie 57 - 157 West 57th Street/111219_One57_North58th_2.jpg

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/Midtown/Carnegie 57 - 157 West 57th Street/111219_One57_North58th_3.jpg

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/Midtown/Carnegie 57 - 157 West 57th Street/111219_One57_North58th_4.jpg

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/Midtown/Carnegie 57 - 157 West 57th Street/111219_One57_North58th_5.jpg

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/Midtown/Carnegie 57 - 157 West 57th Street/111219_One57_North58th_6.jpg

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/Midtown/Carnegie 57 - 157 West 57th Street/111219_One57_North58th_7.jpg

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/Midtown/Carnegie 57 - 157 West 57th Street/111219_One57_North58th_9.jpg

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/Midtown/Carnegie 57 - 157 West 57th Street/111219_One57_North58th_8.jpg

[londonlawyer]

I think that the south facade will have stripes, the north facade will have clear glass, and the east-west facades will have the checkerboard glass.

[HoveringCheesecake]

Cool. Have you seen the tower in Chicago in person?

Yes, actually. For some reason I think that the blue glass buildings work better in Chicago than in NYC.

Still, I think One57 will be quite nice once it is complete.

[BrooklynLove]

And I can only imagine the glare that One57 will offer to its neighbors to the south when the glass rises.

that's going to be awful.

[londonlawyer]

Yes, actually. For some reason I think that the blue glass buildings work better in Chicago than in NYC.

Still, I think One57 will be quite nice once it is complete.

One57 is coming out really nicely. Have you walked by it lately?

[HoveringCheesecake]

One57 is coming out really nicely. Have you walked by it lately?

Hah. I wish. Perhaps this summer.

[londonlawyer]

Hah. I wish. Perhaps this summer.

By the summer, it should be very impressive. Where do you live, HC?

[HoveringCheesecake]

By the summer, it should be very impressive. Where do you live, HC?

North Dakota. The greatest Dakota.

Just kidding. My foolish Norwegian and Danish ancestors thought that this place would be a nice analogue for their homeland. After all, it is cold, right? That is the only logical explanation that I can derive from their decision. Let us ignore the fact that there the state is landlocked and there are neither fjords nor water.

Saying that it is boring here is an understatement.

Over the last ~40 years, the vast majority of young people have decided to leave the state. Please have mercy on us. I would say that Ed Schultz is a good example of my state, but to be quite frank the majority of the citizens dislike him. I think he is OK, but I believe that he needs to calm down.

This has been your North Dakota educational post. Please run away as fast as you can.

[oquatanginwan]

I bet Asiate has a pretty good view of this tower going up. Anybody willing to take one for the team and get some overpriced hooch and pictures at their lounge?

[Sherpa]

Great Post - Off Topic, yet awesome!

[lesterp4]

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[londonlawyer]

North Dakota. The greatest Dakota.

When I was in college, I knew two women from North Dakota, and they were hot!

[BrooklynLove]

there's certainly a scandanavian contingent of hotties in those northern midwest states. absolutely smokin.

[londonlawyer]

I agree. Have you ever been to Minnesota?

[HoveringCheesecake]

I agree. Have you ever been to Minnesota?

Me? Yah, you betcha. That's where the other half of my family lives. Minneapolis is another great city that deserves more credit than it gets.

ANYWAY! Back to One57!

[BrooklynLove]

I agree. Have you ever been to Minnesota?

i have not, but i've met many minnesotans - so fully understand where you're going with that question.

[londonlawyer]

This will be my last comment on our subtopic, since not everyone shares our obvious passion for buxom, golden-haired, babes of Scandinavian-descent, but I feel compelled to add my signature image in connection with this discussion (not the Taliban one, of course):

http://www.theatrepeople.com.au/sites/default/files/images/yeah-baby-austin-powers.jpg


Austin Powers: International Man of Mystery (1997)
Alotta Fagina: Some sake, Mr. Cunningham?
Austin Powers: Sake it to me baby!

Alotta Fagina: In Japan, men come first and women come second.
Austin Powers: Or sometimes not at all.

Austin Powers: Come again?
Alotta Fagina: Alotta Fagina
Austin Powers: Oh, I'm sorry, I'm just not getting it, it sounds like you said your name was a lot of um... never mind!

Alotta Fagina: How dare you break wind before me.
Austin Powers: I'm sorry I didn't realize it was your turn.

[futurecity]

North Dakota. The greatest Dakota.

Just kidding. My foolish Norwegian and Danish ancestors thought that this place would be a nice analogue for their homeland. After all, it is cold, right? That is the only logical explanation that I can derive from their decision. Let us ignore the fact that there the state is landlocked and there are neither fjords nor water.

Saying that it is boring here is an understatement.

Over the last ~40 years, the vast majority of young people have decided to leave the state. Please have mercy on us. I would say that Ed Schultz is a good example of my state, but to be quite frank the majority of the citizens dislike him. I think he is OK, but I believe that he needs to calm down.

Merry Xmas

This has been your North Dakota educational post. Please run away as fast as you can.

This is what happens when one lives in a low density country. Sometimes I dream of the US having mini-NYCs everywhere. I.e, Euro cities. Many are tiny in population figures compared to US metros, but they feel so much bigger when you are there. I.e, Dublin or Manchester, etc.. they are small cities, but have the energy in the central core that no where outside NYC and perhaps Chicago could best.

[Tectonic]

12.25.11

http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/8909/dsc2713sn.jpg

http://img805.imageshack.us/img805/6513/dsc2727sn.jpg

©tectonic

[BBMW]

Because they developed hundreds of years before cars (or even trains) they had to be dense because walking was the main form of transportation. Now everything spreads out.


This is what happens when one lives in a low density country. Sometimes I dream of the US having mini-NYCs everywhere. I.e, Euro cities. Many are tiny in population figures compared to US metros, but they feel so much bigger when you are there. I.e, Dublin or Manchester, etc.. they are small cities, but have the energy in the central core that no where outside NYC and perhaps Chicago could best.

[BBMW]

At one point they were talking about giving ND back to the buffalo. Now everyone is rushing there to drill for oil.


North Dakota. The greatest Dakota.

Just kidding. My foolish Norwegian and Danish ancestors thought that this place would be a nice analogue for their homeland. After all, it is cold, right? That is the only logical explanation that I can derive from their decision. Let us ignore the fact that there the state is landlocked and there are neither fjords nor water.

Saying that it is boring here is an understatement.

Over the last ~40 years, the vast majority of young people have decided to leave the state. Please have mercy on us. I would say that Ed Schultz is a good example of my state, but to be quite frank the majority of the citizens dislike him. I think he is OK, but I believe that he needs to calm down.

This has been your North Dakota educational post. Please run away as fast as you can.

[HoveringCheesecake]

At one point they were talking about giving ND back to the buffalo. Now everyone is rushing there to drill for oil.

They probably should have. There are quite a few bison farms around now, though so hopefully we can undo some of the damage. Plus they don't taste half bad either. ;)

And yep. The economy here is booming. My hometown of Minot near the Canadian border and Williston in the west are absolutely insane. They are now drilling oil 7 miles from the family farm on my mother's side, so I may see some piece of that pie in the near future. They did exploratory drilling on the farm back in the 60s and found oil, but they told my grandfather that it was too expensive to get at.

Anyway, I really apologize for the derail guys. Perhaps the North Dakota stuff can be split off into a different thread in the Social Club? I doubt anyone has any questions about the state, but if they do I'd be happy to answer them.

[lesterp4]

isn't this about 157

[HoveringCheesecake]

isn't this about 157

I don't know, can you read? I apologized and asked for the discussion to be split off.

E: My apologies, that comment was a bit harsh. Like I said I'm sorry for the derail and hopefully the mods can excise the posts in question.

[londonlawyer]

Can someone post photos showing the progress of the demolition at 225 W57th? Two weeks ago, 217/221 W57th and 220W58th were all gone, and work progressed on 225. I'm curious how much progress on removing the top five floors of 225 has occurred. Since Barnett seems to have some leverage with 220 CPS due to his lease-interest in a garage there, I wonder how he's negotiating with Vornado to preserve views at 225.

[lofter1]

I was by there a few days ago and it doesn't look like any exterior demo has taken place at 225.

[lesterp4]

thanks, i just wanted to deal with the bldg. i love it.

[londonlawyer]

I was by there a few days ago and it doesn't look like any exterior demo has taken place at 225.

Thanks, Lofter.

[antinimby]

Check out this webcam (http://www.instacam.com/showcam.asp?id=NWTHC&size=L).


Should be around 600 feet right now.

[RoldanTTLB]

They grow up so fast.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7142/6616362537_293efda917_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/7799907@N05/6616362537/)

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7024/6616366073_b4342c0490_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/7799907@N05/6616366073/)

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7153/6616371471_f427a15b06_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/7799907@N05/6616371471/)

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7024/6616376411_e4049a6dbb_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/7799907@N05/6616376411/)

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7160/6616380025_760a579a08_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/7799907@N05/6616380025/)

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7034/6616384673_c746286787_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/7799907@N05/6616384673/)

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7145/6616389629_29f9b97d99_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/7799907@N05/6616389629/)

[James Kovata]

I love the coloring of the glass. The coloring itself (in addition to the height) will make a nice impact on the skyline.

[RoldanTTLB]

If you're ever in town, go see it in person. I've yet to see a photo that does it justice. I'll be trying with a better camera when I buy one this year, but I just don't know.

[James Kovata]

If you're ever in town, go see it in person. I've yet to see a photo that does it justice.

I know what you mean. It's difficult to capture all of varying hughes in the context of a photograph. A very good camera, a little more high, better lighting, and more of a panoramic shot of the building should help one realize the impact it will have. I really just think it's an striking building.

I'll be in town within the next few months. I am just not certain as to when. I may skip out on Mardi Gras this year and get away for the weekend

[Merry]

At the risk of being flamed, I think it spoils that gorgeous CPS streetscape. Hopefully it looks better than that rendering, at least.


Christian de Portzamparc Shares New One57 Renderings

by Sara Polsky

http://ny.curbed.com/uploads/One57render1-thumb.jpg (http://ny.curbed.com/uploads/One57render1.jpg)
[Click for big!]

Another day, another reveal (http://ny.curbed.com/archives/2011/12/16/another_one57_rendering_peek_1brs_as_holiday_gifts .php) of new renderings for pricey (http://ny.curbed.com/archives/2011/12/30/one57_penthouse_now_asking_110_million_thanks_to_1 5_cpw.php) Midtown behemoth One57. International Business Times (http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/274947/20111231/building-new-york-de-portzamparc-s-one57.htm) sits down with the building's architect, Christian de Portzamparc, and while de Portzamparc was distracted by questions, grabbed some renderings from his filing cabinets. The architect sees the building as "a tribute to the great scene of Central Park." And also, apparently, as a practical structure, since he tells IB Times that "every gesture, every shape must be justified by various reasons that would reinforce their reason to be, their use, and will give more sense to their beauty." Wonder if he finds the pricing similarly justified?

http://ny.curbed.com/uploads/One57render2.jpg

Building New York: de Portzamparc's One57 Towers Over the City (http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/274947/20111231/building-new-york-de-portzamparc-s-one57.htm) [IB Times]

http://ny.curbed.com/archives/2012/01/03/christian_de_portzamparc_shares_new_one57_renderin gs.php#more

[James Kovata]

Fantastic. It will be in pinnacle in a forrest of 700-800 footers.

[GordonGecko]

Not a fan of the Xanadu vomit / leprosy look

[DKNY617]

January 6th, 2012

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[stache]

Second time I've been in this area recently and ONCE AGAIN I forgot to look at this building...
:rolleyes: <- directed at myself -

[antinimby]

No worries. It'll still be there the next time. ;)


BTW, this will be the tallest cluster of buildings (this tower added to the Carnegie-Metropolitan-City Spire trio) in the city outside of the WTC.

[NoyokA]

Carnegie Hall Tower, Cityspire, Metropolitan Tower, and One 57 remind me of the trees of the rainforest each tries to grow higher than the other to get that precious resource - the sun, in this case the sun is views of Central Park.

[RandySavage]

At the risk of being flamed, I think it spoils that gorgeous CPS streetscape. Hopefully it looks better than that rendering, at least.

Point of clarification: that first rendering is of 57th street, not CPS. The CPS (59th) streetscape won't be affected... Maybe you mean you don't like it on the CPS skyline?

[Merry]

^ Yes, I know ;). And, yes, you're right, I did mean it spoils the CPS skyline :).

[DUMBRo]

^
After 9 W 57th, what could possibly be out of bounds in that neck of the woods -er "rainforest"?

[bill schintler]

January 19: The Carnegie Hall Tower is 757 ft, so it looks like One 57 is about 2/3 of it's final height.


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[Peteynyc1]

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[lofter1]

From CURBED (http://ny.curbed.com/archives/2012/01/20/one57_gets_wavy_glass_waterfall_panels_on_its_faca de.php):

One57 Gets Wavy Glass Waterfall Panels on Its Facade (http://ny.curbed.com/archives/2012/01/20/one57_gets_wavy_glass_waterfall_panels_on_its_faca de.php)

Friday, January 20, 2012
by Dave Hogarty (http://ny.curbed.com/authors/dave-hogarty)

http://ny.curbed.com/uploads/untitled-196-Edit.jpg

Workers are installing some of the first undulating glass panels that will make up
the facade over the main entranceways to One57 ...

http://ny.curbed.com/uploads/untitled-195.jpg

· One57 coverage (http://ny.curbed.com/places/one57) [CurbedNY]

[antinimby]

Very dramatic.

Too bad more of the facade isn't like that.

[stache]

Kind of Disney -

[arcman210]

It's quite blue

[mariab]

Why wouldn't they undulate it all the way up...money?

[Alonzo-ny]

Looks absolutely horrid.

[lofter1]

Why wouldn't they undulate it all the way up...money?

A little of that wave goes a long way.

It's certainly not your classic NYC style building. It's screaming for attention (as if it will need it at that height).

But no doubt the flash will appeal to all those foreign investors with lots of $$$.

[scumonkey]

But no doubt the flash will appeal to all those foreign investors with lots of $$$.
...and absolutely no taste.

[kz1000ps]

It's quite blue

Yes, the blue and white reminds me of the contrasts we see over at Toren. Jarring, to say the least.

[futurecity]

I'm surprised at all the hate. I find it rather fun actually.

Horrid? I think not. That's going a bit too far.

NYC is a very straight-laced city of boxy brick, stone, glass and steel structures. A little colorful whimsy that breaks the strict geometric formula is a welcome sight. This new type of ornamentation is better than another flat glass facade that is bereft of any detail whatsoever.

[infoshare]

I'm surprised at all the hate. I find it rather fun actually.

Horrid? I think not. That's going a bit too far.

NYC is a very straight-laced city of boxy brick, stone, glass and steel structures.

I think those there 'undulations' are a nice touch too: this is going to be a very attractive looking building - so far, so good.

you and me gotta have a beer some day bud (lol)..".....

[futurecity]

I think those there 'undulations' are a nice touch too: this is going to be a very attractive looking building - so far, so good.

you and me gotta have a beer some day bud (lol)..".....

"those there"... well, I guess you've started on those beers early:eek:

[bigchet]

I agree with both of you guys. Ever body complains about the straight up boxy designs then they get something different and they complain about that too.

[infoshare]

"those there"... well, I guess you've started on those beers early:eek:
Cheers!

[arcman210]

The one thing I'm not so sure about is how that shade of blue will work out... at least I'm not sure just yet anyway.

[ZippyTheChimp]

It's quite blue


Yes, the blue and white reminds me of the contrasts we see over at Toren. Jarring, to say the least.


The one thing I'm not so sure about is how that shade of blue will work out... at least I'm not sure just yet anyway.

LOL. We always fall for this. [See WTC Memorial Pavilion].

Are the people that like it relieved or disappointed that the blue and white film will be peeled off?

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/3051/one5701ch.jpg

[arcman210]

I'm relieved (and embarrassed). Duhhhhh.

[ZippyTheChimp]

http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/5332/one5702c.th.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/11/one5702c.jpg/) http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/5381/one5703c.th.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/9/one5703c.jpg/) http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/607/one5704c.th.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/17/one5704c.jpg/) http://img855.imageshack.us/img855/2334/one5705c.th.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/855/one5705c.jpg/)

[Tectonic]

Is it just coincidence that 4 of the tallest skyscrapers in Midtown were built in this bunch. Zoning maybe?

[stache]

There's a thread on this somehere. The black building was first, then Cityspire built over the legal limit. Carnegie tower was built I believe as of right. Being a two way street, they can go taller than usual. Anyone please correct me if I'm wrong.

[londonlawyer]

LOL. We always fall for this. [See WTC Memorial Pavilion].

Are the people that like it relieved or disappointed that the blue and white film will be peeled off?

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/3051/one5701ch.jpg

It looks very impressive in person.

[scumonkey]

depends on whose looking at it;)

[lesterp4]

i LOVE IT. It is very impressive to me, also.

[Sherpa]

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[scumonkey]

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb276/scumonkey/IMGP1944webbed.jpg

[RoldanTTLB]

The crane for this is clearly visible from the njtpk. Also, I'm finally back in NYC. Expect some new pics of something on Thursday. Not sure what yet. Though.

[londonlawyer]

The crane for this is clearly visible from the njtpk. Also, I'm finally back in NYC. Expect some new pics of something on Thursday. Not sure what yet. Though.

Roldan, if you're in the area, can you snap some photos of 225 W57th? I walked by 140 W57th the other day to see if Morton Williams started constructing the new store, but it had not.

[DKNY617]

January 28th, 2012

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[Sherpa]

Hall of Mirrors

[infoshare]

Yes, fun-house mirrors. I am reminded of these Perry street photos here - http://wirednewyork.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14928&page=2&p=238960&viewfull=1#post238960

and here - http://wirednewyork.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14928&page=2&p=234983&viewfull=1#post234983


http://wirednewyork.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14928&page=2&p=238960&viewfull=1#post238960

[ramvid01]

A few pictures I took on Saturday.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v499/kilahace/Architecture%20and%20Construction%20Pictures/2012-01-28163912.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v499/kilahace/Architecture%20and%20Construction%20Pictures/2012-01-28163923.jpg
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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v499/kilahace/Architecture%20and%20Construction%20Pictures/2012-01-28164136.jpg

[Jeffreyny]

does anyone have any diagrams of the impact of this building on the skyline from the east?

[JFK-CDG]

...and absolutely no taste.

Yea and I guess you're bearer of good taste in your shabby nondescript walk up.

New York is too conservative and needs more flash. The more glamour, flamboyance, money and flash in NYC the better. So yes, I welcome the high flying oligarch and their appetite for beautiful and glamorous things. They know how to live.

I hope this building sells out quickly and developers take note. More beautiful and flashy buildings please!! Don't stop until all the poors with their alleged good taste are pushed out and Manhattan is Monaco.

[scumonkey]

Yea and I guess you're bearer of good taste in your shabby nondescript walk up.
I made no mention of the good or bad taste of this building (that's a personal choice).
Made no personal observations about your taste or where you live either.
But since you opened that can of worms...
I wouldn't consider my 2000 sq ft open loft, with multiple terraces, in a keyed elevator building- shabby, nondescript, or a walk up.
(pics could be produced upon request)
But after reading this from you:

New York is too conservative and needs more flash. The more glamour, flamboyance, money and flash in NYC the better. So yes, I welcome the high flying oligarch and their appetite for beautiful and glamorous things. They know how to live.

I hope this building sells out quickly and developers take note. More beautiful and flashy buildings please!! Don't stop until all the poors with their alleged good taste are pushed out and Manhattan is Monaco.
It's become quite obvious that you have no taste, and an extremely poor since of judgment
Too bad you can't afford plane tickets, NY has enough of ignorant s with alleged good taste, that hail from that fly over town known as Ohio.:rolleyes:

[stache]

Monaco? Seriously??? 1963 called... :p

[Fabrizio]

New York is too conservative and needs more flash.

Don't stop until all the poors with their alleged good taste are pushed out and Manhattan is Monaco.

Monaco? A swoopy reflective glass skyscraper like this one could never be built in Monaco.

Architecturally speaking, Monaco is a permanent tribute to the mid 60's.

[ZippyTheChimp]

Don't stop until all the poors with their alleged good taste are pushed out and Manhattan is Monaco.With one post in a year, couldn't you have worked on it and come up with something not quite so silly.

[Tectonic]

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[JCMAN320]

Very nice Tectonic; especially the last one!

[JFK-CDG]

Monaco in demographic, not buildings obviously.

And as far as we're concerned, scumonkey, I'm the God of style and taste. Anything I utter in relation to the subject is the gospel. K? Amen.

[ZippyTheChimp]

Monaco in demographic, not buildings obviously.Where does that leave you?


I'm the God of style and taste.

All hail.

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[futurecity]

I made no mention of the good or bad taste of this building (that's a personal choice).
Made no personal observations about your taste or where you live either.
But since you opened that can of worms...
I wouldn't consider my 2000 sq ft open loft, with multiple terraces, in a keyed elevator building- shabby, nondescript, or a walk up.
(pics could be produced upon request)
But after reading this from you:

It's become quite obvious that you have no taste, and an extremely poor since of judgment
Too bad you can't afford plane tickets, NY has enough of ignorant s with alleged good taste, that hail from that fly over town known as Ohio.:rolleyes:

The last part of your post is disgusting and an insult to most Americans.
A very snobby and uncouth post, sorry to say...especially after boasting about your residence that most Americans from 'flyover country' could hardly even imagine, let alone own.


I agree with the other poster that more flash and color is necessary in NYC, because the city tends to be a little brown/grey especially in dull weather. I'm very impressed with the slenderness and the presence of this tower on the street. Very nice facade too.

[scumonkey]

The last part of your post is disgusting and an insult to most Americans.
A very snobby and uncouth post, sorry to say...especially after boasting about your residence that most Americans from 'flyover country' could hardly even imagine, let alone own.
Funny I find most of what you post disgusting, snobby, and uncouth (not to mention just plain clueless). :rolleyes:
And I was not boasting about where I live, but rather refuting JFK- CDG's post claiming I lived in a "shabby nondescript walk up".
If a personal attack hadn't been launched against me- no insulting reply would have been necessary

Futurecity-If you don't like what I post...I suggest you make use of the ignore list button
I do, and your on mine;)

[futurecity]

Funny I find most of what you post disgusting, snobby, and uncouth (not to mention just plain clueless). :rolleyes:
And I was not boasting about where I live, but rather refuting JFK- CDG's post claiming I lived in a "shabby nondescript walk up".
If a personal attack hadn't been launched against me- no insulting reply would have be necessary

Futurecity-If you don't like what I post...I suggest you make use of the ignore list button
I do, and your on mine;)

My God, are you from another planet? You call me clueless after what you said?... boy oh boy.

The insulting remark you made is obviously what you feel about most of America. It has nothing to do with being provoked by an insulting remark into saying such words. You had no reason to reply in that manner, unless you gave no thought to what you were typing. In other words, you must believe it and you don't give a rats if you proclaim it openly and proud. That just shows what kind of person you really are. Also, your overuse of emoticons is rather childish. :rolleyes:

This has nothing to do with your opinions on my ideas about design and cities, but a basic insult to 100+ million people, many of whom are hard working honest folks. Many of whom are on this forum right now. I think you should show a little humility and respect for the folks who are the backbone of the country that you call home in this time of economic turmoil, the middle class of the post-industrial mid-west, the majority of which live in such 'flyover country' , no matter how dull or boring they may be perceived by yourself, Sir! Hmph...

[scumonkey]

Future I suggest if you have a personal problem with me, you communicate that via PM's. This is not the place for your petty and ongoing bickering.
PM sent to you...now back to one 57 please!

[futurecity]

I think someone should stand up against the abuse of that term. It has nothing to do with bickering, but it has to do with standing up for the good folks of an entire portion of this country that you just lambasted. It has nothing to do with political affiliation, race, or anything else.

Yes, i'm adult enough to know that sir. Save your angry insulting PM's, because I won't dare open any more of those howlers for fear that my nose will be bitten off. They were enlightening, to say the least.

Good day Sir.

[ZippyTheChimp]

but it has to do with standing up for the good folks of an entire portion of this country that you just lambasted.Please watch your step dismounting from the high horse.


Save your angry insulting PM's, because I won't open any more of them.The unprovoked comment that started the argument - "shabby nondescript walk up" - had nothing to do with you; yet you decided refer to it, and start another argument.

Give it a rest.

Would the people that like (or dislike) this building please stop taking it as a personal insult if someone disagrees.

[stache]

I know. It' s dweeb central around here.

[lofter1]

It' s dweeb central around here.

Are you calling me a 'dweeb'?

Stewardesses usually have better sense. Even the crabby ones ;)

[stache]

We are the non-dweebs.

[mariab]

Nice view. No idea why the other pics didn't post, but there are some stunning renderings in the bottom link.

Lap of luxury: One57’s cheapest apartment is ONLY $7.35 million

By Jason Sheftell
Thursday, February 2nd 2012, 9:20 PM


http://bestplaces.nydailynews.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/content_main_image/images/2012/02/02/extell%20view.jpg Marchmade

Forget bold-name celebrities and clean-up hitters. Dignitaries, princesses and prime ministers are the first to tour the sales office of ONE57, Manhattan's newest luxury condominium, the News has learned.
And the penthouse of the residential tower -- a $115 million, 10,923-square-foot duplex on the 89th and 90th floor -- is poised to become New York City real estate’s new top prize
The luxe pad has 23-foot ceilings and nearly 58-foot windows overlooking Central Park from its perch between Sixth and Seventh Aves.

Wrapped in marble slabs, master bathrooms in the upper floor apartments sport two commodes, as well as floor-to-ceiling, custom-made Walnut cabinetry and flat screen televisions. And the bathrooms are as large as studio apartments on Central Park South renting for $2,500 per month.
"This was built to be bigger and better than anything else in the world," says ONE57 developer Gary Barnett, President of Extell Development Corporation, who walks the global dignitaries through the recently opened sales office himself. "You have to take advantage of every opportunity to build the highest quality. I like to build big, beautiful things. That's what people want."

According to Barnett, three New York City real estate brokers have already earned $3 million in commissions at the building, which is 30 % sold in just three months. Home prices are already averaging $6,000 per square-foot, higher than most resales at 15 Central Park West or any nearby property.
"This building fundamentally changes the highest of high-end markets," says Corcoran Sunshine Marketing Group president Kelly Kennedy Mack, a sales consultant on the project. "And I don't just mean here in New York. It raises the bar all over the world. Buyers are walking in, taking one look and writing checks. They aren't even asking questions."
RELATED: Prices of Manhattan apartments surge 80% in 10 years (http://bestplaces.nydailynews.com/stories/prices-manhattan-apartments-surge-80-10-years)

The sales office is by appointment only -- and even the pitch is dramatic. After watching a two-minute film about the building set to classical music, potential buyers view architectural models of the site. Then floor plans light up a curved IMAX-sized screen in a library area accessorized with a giant aquarium.
In the model area, two kitchens -- one dark with Macassar ebony, the other hand-painted white -- come with the latest Miele appliances and hidden, built-in chairs. White Onyx, one of the most expensive stones in the world, line powder room walls.
Extell is on a roll. The Rushmore -- an Extell project on Riverside Boulevard where Yankee Alex Rodriguez recently sold his apartment (http://bestplaces.nydailynews.com/voyeur/rod-flips-uws-apartment-major-league-profit) for a $2.5 million profit eight months after he bought it -- is 90 % sold.

http://bestplaces.nydailynews.com/stories/lap-luxury-one57%E2%80%99s-cheapest-apartment-only-735-million

[Fabrizio]

For all of the money this building cost (and will be making), it's a shame it did not go the Robert Stern classic-limestone route... or maybe something like Gehry's Beekman.

[mariab]

In that area limestone is better.

[lesterp4]

I wonder how the Drake site is taking this news. I guess we are seeing how many really rich perople there are in this world. 7 mil to start. wow!!!

[Peteynyc1]

14846How many more floors to go?

[DKNY617]

February 10th, 2012

(Sorry about the haziness, shooting through dirty windows sucks. Also this is my older/not so good camera haha. But hey look, you can see people on top! :D)

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[stache]

It looks very large from that angle because of the L shaped footprint.

[Peteynyc1]

Have they gotten to that point where it gets smaller in the final floors yet? What is the estimate on how many floors to go?

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[MidtownApt]

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[ZippyTheChimp]

Have they gotten to that point where it gets smaller in the final floors yet?The Carnegie Hall Tower is 757 feet. That's about the height of the setback.

[lofter1]

Xanadu on 57th Street--Governor Christie would plotz


Metropolitan & Carnegie Tower inhabitants must be thrilled. Imagine seeing that out your window every day.

From Central Park it might end up appearing very very very pushy.

[stache]

Isn't that the point?

[lofter1]

twue.

[ASchwarz]

I'm not quite getting why some posters are comparing it to Xanadu.

Folks realize that the glass isn't blue, right? That's protective covering.

[Peteynyc1]

this is why....
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it is more so because of the patterns on the East and West sides of the building.

[futurecity]

It is meant to look like a waterfall. Also, the cladding is far and away superior to Xanadu (which is being changed anyway) and I think it looks interesting. NY is the city of contrasts after all. I'm sure it will be dazzling when the light highlights the different shades within the pattern.

[MidtownApt]

It is meant to look like a waterfall. Also, the cladding is far and away superior to Xanadu (which is being changed anyway) and I think it looks interesting. NY is the city of contrasts after all. I'm sure it will be dazzling when the light highlights the different shades within the pattern.

What it's meant to look like is not what it actually looks like. What it looks like in the rendering is not what it actually looks like. From the ground, which is how almost everyone will see it, it looks worse than the current version of Xanadu.

[ZippyTheChimp]

It looks like this?

http://www.cpexecutive.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/Xanadu-exterior.jpg

[lofter1]

Ouch! Even with these on :cool: that hurts.

[stache]

But it's so cheery, set in the swamp...

[JCMAN320]

I can't wait till the new deveilopment group changes the exterior. I pass the complex everyday on my way to work and I have seen zero work being done. They want to try and get that elephant up and running in time for the Super Bowl. Well see...

[DUMBRo]

Ugh. Ciudad Juarez wants its megamall back.

[TREPYE]

http://www.cpexecutive.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/Xanadu-exterior.jpg


I would really like to see exactly who's brain child this color scheme was, for they will represent a tasteless inept that has subzero artistic taste.
I would love to have a visual representation of such a person.

[scumonkey]

I would love to have a visual representation of such a person.
Not "THE" person but here is a pic of someone very much like SUCH a person...
http://ny.curbed.com/uploads/2010_5_gene.jpg

[TREPYE]

Hmmm... Kauffman is bad, but I must say that that Xanadu disgustingness is a few notches below anything he has ever done.

[futurecity]

This building looks nothing like Xanadu, give ma a break :rolleyes:

[ZippyTheChimp]

I think one person who has a big issue with the building has gone over the top with the Xanadu comparison.

Anyway, I've only seen the street level facade, and that's covered in protective film. Can anyone give us an objective appraisal, maybe a snap, of the tower glass?

[londonlawyer]

I walk by twice per week, and it's stunning.

[Fimiak]

It looks like a generic glass building from the North, but the crown is really the draw of the North side of this building, and we wont be seeing that for a year still. From the South the wavy glass and the normal glass both look great. When you look at this building you don't see all four sides at once, so it doesn't matter that the North side doesn't match the South.

[Merry]

The Rhythm of a City Block

By ROBBIE WHELAN

In the last few years, brand-name architects have made their mark on New York in an unusual way: by building apartment buildings.

In generations past, it was far more typical for big architects to design office buildings for pricey corporate clients, while residential developers focused on floor plans and finishes, rather than buildings that make major statements on the skyline.

One57 is set to be the tallest residential building in New York City.

But residential developers increasingly are hiring star architects to make bolder statements, like the apartment houses on Manhattan's West Side designed by architectural darlings such as Jean Nouvel and Annabelle Selldorf. With prices and rents floating up into the stratosphere, the selling power of these names clearly hasn't been lost on developers.

The most recent example of this phenomenon is developer Gary Barnett's marquee project, a 90-story condo tower called One57 that is rising opposite Carnegie Hall on 57th Street. Set to be the tallest residential building in the city, One57 will surpass in height Frank Gehry's 870-foot twisted tower on Spruce Street, the city's reigning beanpole of a residential tower in the Financial District.

One57 also is going to standout in another way: selling some of the most expensive units in the city with penthouse price tags at nearly $100 million. In all, the condos in One57 have a combined price tag of about $2 billion.

That has posed quite a challenge for the architect Mr. Barnett enlisted, Pritzker-prize winner Christian de Portzamparc. Mr. de Portzamparc, a modernist who has been acclaimed for the sculptural forms of his skyscrapers, needed to walk a fine line on 57th Street with a building that signified wealth and cutting-edge architecture, but was still respectful of the city around it.

In the end, he has succeeded in some ways. Renderings of the project show he has stitched his trademark beauty and elegance, in the form of a shimmering, waterfall-shaped tower.

But the building's main shortcoming is that it tries to draw too much attention to itself on a stretch of Midtown street that is an anachronistic mishmash of design styles. There are Beaux-Arts office buildings, a postmodern skyscraper and a neo-gothic church; in other words, pure New York. A sculptural tower would work in this setting but, like a spoiled kid, One57 wants to be the center of everything. It focuses heavily on exterior texture, and in doing so creates for itself its own, self-contained rhythm; a smooth, watery groove that, when completed, will override the rhythm of the block.

One57, with its top that curves to a point and vertical lines of glass dividing windows, will resemble a Swiss Army knife at its highest heights, with mullions that look as though they could be folded out and turned upward like steel blades. Farther down the building, its massing spreads out, creating a structure with multiple roof spaces set back from the street.

These Mr. de Portzamparc has smoothed over with layers of glass that, according to renderings of the finished project, will make the building look like a waterfall, with the edge of each setback resembling cascading water shot on a camera with slow film, so the lines are blurred and frozen in time. The effect is precious and still, as though the building were covered in a fine frost or caked with crystals.

But this touch becomes problematic closer to ground level, where, the design calls for long, ribbon-like vertical panels of undulating blue glass. These panels, which speak more loudly than anything else on the front of the building, seem a garish addition to the building's already-loud appearance.

What is otherwise an elegant sculptural structure will take on a kind of whimsical tone at street level that hogs too much of the air on 57th.

Mr. de Portzamparc, who in New York is best known for designing the headquarters building of luxury goods manufacturer LVMH, says he wanted the building to mirror the long vertical lines of light that appear at the end of New York's east-west running streets.

"The light of the sky is driven to the horizontal in the city. This is very unique to New York, and it allows there to be a very tall tower along the street that does not overpower the street," he says.

Mr Portzamparc says he spent time as a student, in the mid-1960s, exploring New York's neighborhoods and examining the street grid, which influenced the One57 design. At street level, he says, the rippling ribbons of glass on the buildings south side reflect the curved corners of the setbacks dozens of floors above.

"Sometimes at street level, you are not conscious of what's happening in the sky. A tower only exists from afar in the city, and on the street, you have street life," Mr. Porzamparc says.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204909104577235652690569584.html?m od=WSJ_NY_RealEstate_LEADNewsCollection

[ZippyTheChimp]

In generations past, it was far more typical for big architects to design office buildings for pricey corporate clients, while residential developers focused on floor plans and finishes, rather than buildings that make major statements on the skyline.

But residential developers increasingly are hiring star architects to make bolder statements, like the apartment houses on Manhattan's West Side designed by architectural darlings such as Jean Nouvel and Annabelle Selldorf. With prices and rents floating up into the stratosphere, the selling power of these names clearly hasn't been lost on developers.I think statements about a company through the appearance of its building - Woolworth is a prime example - are no longer as important as they were in a time when there was much less media.

Today, a company can project an image of itself through the virtual world.

While office design is driven by efficiency and the bottom line, there seems to be few constraints in high-end residential development.

[DKNY617]

March 4th, 2012

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[londonlawyer]

Beautiful. I hope, however, that Extell pursues an even more unique design for 225.

[TallGuy]

The glass/facade looks amazing.

[antinimby]

This tower is very polarizing. People either love it or hate it. There is no middle ground.

[RoldanTTLB]

I think the height helps that some. If it were some short thing, it'd be easy to write off, to be indecisive about it, since it really will just kind of disappear. Because there will be no way whatsoever to miss this one, though, you almost have to love it or hate it. Who's only so so on the ESB? You either love it or it's a tall, boring building on a hill that took the place of one of the most beautiful hotels ever built in NYC. I think polarizing is a good trait for a building.

[futurecity]

Actually, not true. I'm so so on it. Although I love organic modernism/futurism, this building leave me wanting. However, there is no way I could hate this building, given how it has some whimsy and fun to it.

[lofter1]

Seeing as how the west face of One 57 basically lines up directly with the west face of the Carnegie Tower across 57th to the south, the two together are going to create a massive wall when viewed from the west -- and from the SW area of Central Park. Could result in a brutal and abrupt sight.

[Peteynyc1]

NY Post reported today that they are up to Floor 63! This is going to be sooo tall!

[LeCom]

Actually, not true. I'm so so on it. Although I love organic modernism/futurism, this building leave me wanting. However, there is no way I could hate this building, given how it has some whimsy and fun to it.

This building IMO has a very organic form, in a sense that it pays great homage to the urban context. The streetwall is treated with utmost respect and setbacks pay direct homage to adjacent buildings. This specific form would not have worked on any other site in the city. However, perhaps your definition of "organic" represents a building that takes on its own form like an independent organism as opposed to being an essentially shiny, tall, yet contextual infill tower.

[LeCom]

Seeing as how the west face of One 57 basically lines up directly with the west face of the Carnegie Tower across 57th to the south, the two together are going to create a massive wall when viewed from the west -- and from the SW area of Central Park. Could result in a brutal and abrupt sight.

Those who would consider this "brutal and abrupt" were probably already spitting in anger at the "inappropriately tall" Carnegie Hall cluster, so this won't change things, perhaps only entrench the naysayers' views. They are the same CB5 members who chopped Tower Verre's head off, found Cityspire's slight height intrusion so offensive that even a community center didn't satisfy their desire for revenge, and keep lobbying for suburban development in order to block "Hong Kong on the Hudson". What if *gasp* New York dares to build skyscrapers? We'd be merely imitating Asian cities!

[lofter1]

It's not the height or size on their own. Its the alignment, where we'll have basically a wall 2 blocks long (450 + feet) from 56th <> 58th in practically a straight line from north to south that rises hundreds of feet above the older classics at the corners of Seventh.

Not much to be done about it. And not objecting, just observing.

[LeCom]

Well, the observation is correct. Of course, some will find the effect aesthetically appealing, some won't. Personally, I find this cluster to be one of the most spatially exciting urban formations on the planet, or at least in the US.

[stache]

Cityspire was unique in that it built above the legal limit.

[BrooklynLove]

jesus this building is going to be huge

[nykid17]

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[babybackribs2314]

Cladding of the base is moving up... the first minor setback is almost fully glassed. I'd expect rapid rising once that part is done...

Full update: http://newyorkyimby.blogspot.com/2012/03/construction-update-315-one57.html

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[infoshare]

Good photos on the yimby site: also the graphics on 432 Park are something special too.

Up with yimby, down with nimby....LOL

[babybackribs2314]

Good photos on the yimby site: also the graphics on 432 Park are something special too.

Up with yimby, down with nimby....LOL

thanks, :)

I've been reading WNY for years but only just registered. I'll keep you guys posted! One of my favorite things to do when bored is go through the DOB listings and see what's going on that other outlets have missed... 432 Park was a big one!

[infoshare]

looking forward to seeing more.....glad you Finally, posted.
cheers.

[scumonkey]

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[scumonkey]

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[ramvid01]

The curved glass looks amazing. I was on the fence with this building, but the building is growing on me with the quality and the nature of the glass.

[babybackribs2314]

Yesterday--

Full update, new twitter:

http://newyorkyimby.blogspot.com/2012/03/construction-update-one57-250-west-55th.html#more

https://twitter.com/#!/newyorkyimby

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