Moving to New York

[fishermb]

...With moving to New York. I'm 17 and still in high school, I want to move to New York after graduation, but I'm not sure if I want to go to college. Do you guys think that I could make a decent living without going to college?? Anyway, what I need to know is where is a cheap, but safe area in the city? I want to live in the city. Umm, I also need a job. I want to live in a loft if that helps. Please help.:)

I hope I don't sound too much like a parent (I'm actually only 22), but go to college! I just graduated in December and moved up to Manhattan for a great job with one of the biggest cable TV companies, but the pay is nowhere near what I really need to survive in this city with anywhere close to the lifestyle I lived during college. I'm starting a part-time masters program in fall while still working full time, because I've learned that more education will NEVER hurt you. The competition for good-paying jobs is already tough enough, I can't imagine that any decent sized company would look at 2 applicants - one with a high school diploma and one with a college degree, and give the job to the former.

And as far as living in the city, this is a great place to be when you live comfortably, but you don't want to be struggling,constantly surrounded by great restaurants and theater and nightlife that you can't afford. Rent is ridiculous. Just really weigh out your options. I know you're antsy to get to the city, but it's an extremely important decision to make...

[milleniumcab]

^^^ I agree; College, College, College

[lofter1]

Whether or not to go to college entirely depends upon where your interests lie.

To a great extent a college experience will be of great help as you move on through life.

Any college degree can help you to get better employment (employers seem to be wary of folks who haven't shown that they are willing to punish themselves for four years before entering the job market ;) ).

On the other hand, I had a sociology professor who said his biggest success would be to convince as many students as possible that college was the worst track to take and the best thing to do would be to get out and do real life -- but this was back in the dark ages when far fewer people were fast tracking themselves starting at age 16 along a prescribed path :cool:

[lofter1]

... this is a great place to be when you live comfortably, but you don't want to be struggling ...

Struggling is part of the NYC experience. I've been here forever and the struggle is on-going. Sometimes it eases up -- and sometimes it just hits you in the face over and over. But that is part of the greatness of the City. It challenges you.

[fishermb]

Struggling is part of the NYC experience. I've been here forever and the struggle is on-going. Sometimes it eases up -- and sometimes it just hits you in the face over and over. But that is part of the greatness of the City. It challenges you.

Maybe it's just me, but there are already enough challenges in life without needing to think about if you'll have enough money at the end of the month to pay rent and bills...

[JournalistJessica]

I'm a 19 year old junior in college in Florida. I'm a journalism major, who for as long as I can remember, has been waiting to get my feet wet in the big city. So, I've decided that I want to move as soon as I graduate (or at least a year after).

I've been reading this sticky for a long time now, but have never posted my own questions. There's been some AWESOME advice given here, and from reading the posts I have an idea of areas I'd like to live in I'd prefer Manhattan, but who wouldn't? I'm thinking about Brooklyn Heights (yeah, I know, still pricey), or another cool, SAFE area in Brooklyn. Heck, maybe even Astoria, Queens.

My main concern, is not space, as I am a 19 year old (will be 20 or 21 when I move) without any furniture, just living with family right now. Basically, all I need is a space big enough to sleep. I've done some research on craigslist and I think I can get a studio for <$1200 (hoping)!

Again, I don't care about size, just SAFETY. I definitely want my own place. I've lived with people my whole life and never have had a place of my own, so I want one now.

My question is, I have saved up $15,000; Do I need to save more? Again, I am all about safety, even, and esp., when it comes to finances. I have no family to rely on, so if something happens, and I run out of money, well, you might see me in a cardboard box in Times Square. I don't want that to happen. :eek:

I'm not a big spender. I'm actually an extremely frugal girl. Do you think this would be ample enough savings to make my big move? How long do you think it could last? Would it be safe for me to move, and then, find a job? Do you think I will still need a grantor (I have no one)?

Thanks and sorry for the long post,
Jessica:D

[fishermb]

I'm a 19 year old junior in college in Florida. I'm a journalism major, who for as long as I can remember, has been waiting to get my feet wet in the big city. So, I've decided that I want to move as soon as I graduate (or at least a year after).

I've been reading this sticky for a long time now, but have never posted my own questions. There's been some AWESOME advice given here, and from reading the posts I have an idea of areas I'd like to live in I'd prefer Manhattan, but who wouldn't? I'm thinking about Brooklyn Heights (yeah, I know, still pricey), or another cool, SAFE area in Brooklyn. Heck, maybe even Astoria, Queens.

My main concern, is not space, as I am a 19 year old (will be 20 or 21 when I move) without any furniture, just living with family right now. Basically, all I need is a space big enough to sleep. I've done some research on craigslist and I think I can get a studio for <$1200 (hoping)!

Again, I don't care about size, just SAFETY. I definitely want my own place. I've lived with people my whole life and never have had a place of my own, so I want one now.

My question is, I have saved up $15,000; Do I need to save more? Again, I am all about safety, even, and esp., when it comes to finances. I have no family to rely on, so if something happens, and I run out of money, well, you might see me in a cardboard box in Times Square. I don't want that to happen. :eek:

I'm not a big spender. I'm actually an extremely frugal girl. Do you think this would be ample enough savings to make my big move? How long do you think it could last? Would it be safe for me to move, and then, find a job? Do you think I will still need a grantor (I have no one)?

Thanks and sorry for the long post,
Jessica:D

Jessica-

It never hurts to save as much as you can before moving to a new city. It seems that most landlords want your income to be 40x your rent, though you can use a tri-state guarantor in most cases...few seem to take an out-of-tri-state one. My advice is to line up a job of some sort before you consider making the move. In fact, I'd suggest basing the move on when your job starts.

By the way are you at UF, or another school in Florida? I was born/raised in Miami and just graduated UF in December. Good luck!

[JournalistJessica]

Jessica-

It never hurts to save as much as you can before moving to a new city. It seems that most landlords want your income to be 40x your rent, though you can use a tri-state guarantor in most cases...few seem to take an out-of-tri-state one. My advice is to line up a job of some sort before you consider making the move. In fact, I'd suggest basing the move on when your job starts.

By the way are you at UF, or another school in Florida? I was born/raised in Miami and just graduated UF in December. Good luck!

Thanks for the reply! I'm going to continue to save, but don't really think I'll be able to save much more up (don't have a job, just going to school).

Congrats of graduating! I was thinking about going to UF, but didn't want to move away, as I wanted to go to school nearby so that I could live with relatives and save my $ for the BIG MOVE!

I'll take your advice and spend some time over the next year tweaking my scarce resume.

[Schadenfrau]

Your obsession with SAFETY seems a bit misguided, JournalistJessica. Crime travels- it's up to you to take actions to protect yourself. Staying in supposed "safe" neighborhoods is a start, but the safe neighborhoods are frequently magnets for people looking to commit random crimes.

[JournalistJessica]

Your obsession with SAFETY seems a bit misguided, JournalistJessica. Crime travels- it's up to you to take actions to protect yourself. Staying in supposed "safe" neighborhoods is a start, but the safe neighborhoods are frequently magnets for people looking to commit random crimes.

Yeah, I know I kind I'm a little obessed about safety, but I actually live the "Murder Capital of Florida." The only factor that makes me not want to run from here right now, is that I live in a fairly safe neighborhood. There's neighborhoods here where shootings occur all the time. I could NEVER stand to live in an area like that. The neighborhood where I live, hardly ever sees crime, esp. murder.

So, all in all, I want to live in an area, where I don't have to be scared to death to maybe poke my head outside the door at night. There are neighborhoods here, where that is a concern.

From my limited research and reading through these threads, I gather that most parts of the Bronx is not for me, neither is certain parts of Brooklyn. Right now, I'm thinking Park Slope or Brooklyn Heights (I know, pricey).

[Schadenfrau]

Honestly, you won't be able to afford anything in those areas for $1,200 a month. You would do much better to find roommates, though that's not what you're looking for right now.

Also, if you plan on being a journalist, you're not likely to be able to afford that much rent with an entry-level job. Are you graduating with a BA?

I'm 31 years old, work in publishing, and have lived in the Bronx for the past seven years. Keep that in mind when you're thinking about moving to NYC.

[JournalistJessica]

Thanks for the replies. I'm starting to look into other possible neighborhoods, but most of the landlords want you to make at least $40k.

What do you guys think my chances are for finding a $40k job (any job will do), being a journalism major straight out of college (just a regular state univeristy, no Ivys)?

I don't really have any experience yet (19), hopefully I'll gain some by the time I graduate next year. Basically, I'm kind of hoping to just leap in anywhere (anywhere at all) in the journalism field. I don't care if the job isn't glamorous. I don't really care if it isn't a journalism job. I just want to move. I can advance, or switch jobs later on. I just need something that will pay my rent.

[OmegaNYC]

What about working for ABC or NBC? Just throwing some ideas out.

[Schadenfrau]

Sorry to ask again, but are you graduating with a BA? 20 is very young to be graduating from college.

[fishermb]

What about working for ABC or NBC? Just throwing some ideas out.

My advice is that if you're in college, you should be thinking about internships right now (and I hope you plan to finish college). I can't imagine a bigwig name like ABC or NBC hiring a writer right out of college with no experience, unless of course you know someone...I did 3 internships during college, 2 of which were paid (they do exist!), and 1 which offered me a great full-time job here in the city. Nearly every single company offers internships, and a site like entertainmentcareers.net or Variety's Career section might give you an idea of what kind of stuff is available. It's always easier to move up from within a company, especially in the entertainment business. I'd be happy to talk to you more if you want to PM me.

[JournalistJessica]

What about working for ABC or NBC? Just throwing some ideas out.

Both great ideas! I'd love to work at either.

[JournalistJessica]

Sorry to ask again, but are you graduating with a BA? 20 is very young to be graduating from college.

Yes, I will be getting a Bachelor's degree, actually a BS in Mass Communications.

I started taking community college classes while I was in high school, so while I graduated HS last May, I already had 1 1/2 yrs. of college done. So, I spent the summer doing CC and graduated with an AA degree. Now I'm in big kid's college. And, yes, if all goes well, and my university offers all my J classes when I need them, I should graduate at 20.

I've taken into account that while this seems like an advantage, I do lack the experience (jobs, ect.) that most 22 yr. olds have when they graduate. However, due to pror family responsibilities, and my dream of NYC, I'm glad it worked out this way. I guess I'll just have an extra yr. or so to gain some life experience and resume fillers. Hoping the odds aren't against me in NYC...:rolleyes:

[JournalistJessica]

My advice is that if you're in college, you should be thinking about internships right now (and I hope you plan to finish college). I can't imagine a bigwig name like ABC or NBC hiring a writer right out of college with no experience, unless of course you know someone...I did 3 internships during college, 2 of which were paid (they do exist!), and 1 which offered me a great full-time job here in the city. Nearly every single company offers internships, and a site like entertainmentcareers.net or Variety's Career section might give you an idea of what kind of stuff is available. It's always easier to move up from within a company, especially in the entertainment business. I'd be happy to talk to you more if you want to PM me.

Yep, finishing college quickly is priority #1. I will be completing my required internship next Fall or Spring, right before that I graduate.

Because I've gone the fast track route to my education, it didn't leave much time for work experience. I did, however, do an internship for a local company in HS. I realize that I probably won't get a very prestigious internship next year. In fact, I'll probably do what most students here do, intern for our local paper.

Because of my age when I graduate, I think I'll have plenty of time for getting experience the year or two after college. Right now I just want/ have to finish so I can really start my life. I'm tired of freeloading on relatives, and really can't get great experience in my city, so I need to go somewhere else. That said, I did think about maybe completing my required school internship in Miami, NYC, or D.C., but don't really want to spend the money, since I'm saving it up for the big move.

What do you think about my route? Just finishing college quickly with a good GPA and a few college newspaper clippings (and I mean few, since I haven't really been here that long), interning here wherever I can, just to meet my requirement, then moving to NYC to really get my career (and more importantly, life) started?

Is this even realistic, figuring in the high cost of living? Thanks for all the info.

[Schadenfrau]

I think that rushing through your education would be a big mistake. Take advantage of the relatively looser schedule college allows you, and do these internships that you're planning. If anything, I think that being so young would put you at a disadvantage in the job market.

[fishermb]

I definately agree with Schadenfrau. While it seems like an advantage to have more time to find a job, I don't think too many decent publications would want to hire a 20-year old with little work experience. I graduated in 3 1/2 years, and that was with 3 full-time internships. If I had only graduated with my BA in English in say 2 1/2 years, I don't think I'd have had any decent job offer coming out. Most of my friends seriously don't understand the trouble that they're in when they graduate in 2 months or so because they don't have any relative work experience to the field they want to be in. You're obviously ahead of the game, but I say that you should stretch out your college career until you're 21, take less classes and leave your extra time to finding an internship or job. It also seems like anyone who enjoys writing is running a blog or contributing to an e-zine, so scope out those options as well.

[JournalistJessica]

I definately agree with Schadenfrau. While it seems like an advantage to have more time to find a job, I don't think too many decent publications would want to hire a 20-year old with little work experience. I graduated in 3 1/2 years, and that was with 3 full-time internships. If I had only graduated with my BA in English in say 2 1/2 years, I don't think I'd have had any decent job offer coming out. Most of my friends seriously don't understand the trouble that they're in when they graduate in 2 months or so because they don't have any relative work experience to the field they want to be in. You're obviously ahead of the game, but I say that you should stretch out your college career until you're 21, take less classes and leave your extra time to finding an internship or job. It also seems like anyone who enjoys writing is running a blog or contributing to an e-zine, so scope out those options as well.

Thanks for the advice. I definately see your point, and I enjoy the whole college experience, but my my need to get done quick is actually a valid need, as I'm staying with family right now, and due to family obligations (helping care for elderly members and such), am not able to work. With that said, as much as I would love to stay in college another 2 1/2 years, it's really not realistic. I'd end up blowing my savings by getting a place of my own (and I would have to get a place of my own).

My priorities are 1) Surviving [keeping food and shelter], 2) Finishing my degree. And, while I do have scholarships that pay my tuition, everyday I spend here, in school, is costing me more (in the present time, which is all that matters right now) than me actually working full-time because I'm not able to save much.

Also, there's hardly no good journalism opportunities here, so I'd be wasting time here just taking a non-j related job.

I'm the first in my family to ever go to college. I have to support, motivational or finacial, so it's all up to me, and to tell you the truth, I'm sick of this city anyway. While I would love to move to NYC (and think I have the $ to do so), almost any other East Coast city suit me better than here.

I'll take your advice and start looking into internships here. I actually did one around 1 1/2 yrs. ago when I was in HS. As for streching out school, I may very well be 21 when I graduate (does age really matter that much, or just experience, anyway?), as my university tends to slow us journalism majors down a due to certain courses not being offered in the summer (one reason why I had contemplated on getting the more accessible English degree).

[JournalistJessica]

I think that rushing through your education would be a big mistake. Take advantage of the relatively looser schedule college allows you, and do these internships that you're planning. If anything, I think that being so young would put you at a disadvantage in the job market.

Thanks for replying. I agree that with most college kids this is true, but my schedule is already so jam packed as it is, with school and family, that I'm not really able to work right now (will be able to maybe this summer or next semester). I am a little worried about the age thing, although it is looking like I may very well be 21 when I grad (uni. slows us J majors down).

[fishermb]

Also, there's hardly no good journalism opportunities here, so I'd be wasting time here just taking a non-j related job.



Not sure if you ever said what part of Florida you're in...but the Miami New Times? Miami Herald? Sun-Sentinel? St. Petersburg Times? Ocean Drive Magazine? What about radio stations? Local TV news? Surely there must be some opportunities worth looking into ...

[Lolita88]

I dont think she lives in miami, I was getting ready to tell her a couple of options I thought of, but I think I read she would love to work in Miami...so i dont think she's from here. If she were than I believe the oppurtunities would be endless. :p

[JournalistJessica]

Not sure if you ever said what part of Florida you're in...but the Miami New Times? Miami Herald? Sun-Sentinel? St. Petersburg Times? Ocean Drive Magazine? What about radio stations? Local TV news? Surely there must be some opportunities worth looking into ...

I'm in Jacksonville. We have the Florida Times-Union, which is a good, conservative newspaper--definately a start. However, they offer very view opportunities to new grads. I'll def see if an internship is avaliable, though. There are some good local stations, and I do have some contacts through those, so that's also a definate possibility for an internship. In the long run, though, I just want to get out of here. I don't want to get stuck in a career here.

Miami is really nice, great career opportunities, too. So, I'll also see about maybe doing my internship there. Ultimately, I think my longing to move is more based on my sanity than career opportunities (lol).

I made a list of cities I would "consider" moving to. Miami is the only one in the south on there (I've heard mostly good things about Atlanta, too.) I just want to leave this region, see new things, meet to people. I think up north would suit me well, if not NYC, then maybe DC or Boston, but you can tell I've got my heart set on the Big Apple.

[JournalistJessica]

I dont think she lives in miami, I was getting ready to tell her a couple of options I thought of, but I think I read she would love to work in Miami...so i dont think she's from here. If she were than I believe the oppurtunities would be endless. :p

You're right, the opportunities in Miami are endless. In fact, if I lived in Miami I probably wouldn't even be talking about moving. It's beautiful there, and I have considered moving there (It's so much more trendy and friendly than here), but I kinda want to leave the south, nothing against this region; There are parts that I truly love and it is my home, but I want to experience more than is here. We live in our own culture down here, as I'm sure you guys do up there. I just want to experience the NYC life for a while.

[Lolita88]

Well I live in Miami and I wanna leave so dont feel bad lol :p

[JournalistJessica]

Well I live in Miami and I wanna leave so dont feel bad lol :p

You're lucky. Miami is my favorite place in Florida. It's so hip, and the nightlife is amazing. Jacksonville will always hold a special place in my heart, but I definately think it's about time I spread my wings and start living my own life.

And it's so great to hear that another Floridian wants to move to New York. Everyone here thinks I'm crazy. They all say, "You won't last a winter up there." Call me the eternal optimist, but I actually think that snow could be fun as long as you know how to dress. Yeah, I'm looking forward to it all...lol:D

[Bojangleman]

Don't worry; it hardly gets cold at all in New York.

Of course, I've spent five of the last six years in Montana. :cool:

[212]

I'm in Jacksonville. We have the Florida Times-Union, which is a good, conservative newspaper--definately a start. However, they offer very view opportunities to new grads. I'll def see if an internship is avaliable, though. There are some good local stations, and I do have some contacts through those, so that's also a definate possibility for an internship. In the long run, though, I just want to get out of here. I don't want to get stuck in a career here.


Hi, Jessica. The most important thing for you, I think, will be getting that first professional internship. Once you do well at that, you'll climb the ladder quickly. Employers value experience. Stay with the field you like. You'll do better work when you enjoy it -- and when you do better work, you'll be promoted and be better paid.

Many schools can set you up with a good local internship for college credit. It's true that you're paying for the privilege of working, but believe me, in the long run it pays off a hundredfold. You gain critical experience and professional allies who can help you down the line. If your current school doesn't offer many chances for internships in your field, then consider transferring to a school that does -- in a city where you'd like to be.

In the meantime, I hope you're working at the college paper, radio station or TV station. Employers like to see that kind of experience, too.

[fishermb]

You're lucky. Miami is my favorite place in Florida. It's so hip, and the nightlife is amazing. Jacksonville will always hold a special place in my heart, but I definately think it's about time I spread my wings and start living my own life.

And it's so great to hear that another Floridian wants to move to New York. Everyone here thinks I'm crazy. They all say, "You won't last a winter up there." Call me the eternal optimist, but I actually think that snow could be fun as long as you know how to dress. Yeah, I'm looking forward to it all...lol:D

I just moved from Miami up here...in the middle of winter...I could be playing golf right now, but I'm loving every moment here so far. Definately glad to be here and try this lifestyle out for a few years, though a little while down the road if a good job opens back up down south, I'll be there in a flash.

[lofter1]

Yeah, I'd say it wouldn't be such a good sign if you just moved here and all you could think about is golf ...

[fishermb]

Yeah, I'd say it wouldn't be such a good sign if you just moved here and all you could think about is golf ...

I think you're missing the point of my post...

[kliq6]

I just moved from Miami up here...in the middle of winter...I could be playing golf right now, but I'm loving every moment here so far. Definately glad to be here and try this lifestyle out for a few years, though a little while down the road if a good job opens back up down south, I'll be there in a flash.

why waste your time if youd be gone in a flash and thinking of golf, dont think your NY material!

[bob_az]

hello there! i am moving to NYC in 2 months, and am trying to figure out where in manhattan i want to live. i have been and visited numerous times and seen neighborhoods i really liked, but it's hard to know what it's like to live there 24/7 and know all those little things that affect daily life (noise issues, crime issues, etc).

i have been lucky to get a well-paying job and have some serious savings, so at this point price isn't the biggest issue, although i'm no millionaire. im thinking about renting to begin with, until i get to know manhattan much better and figure out where i'd want to settle at.

here's what i am looking for in a neighborhood. im 25, young professional, fun guy in general. i like living near the great restaurants, bars, etc., but don't want to live right in the middle of it. i also want to avoid the whole post-college scene - id want to live in an area of young professionals who are sophisticated and enjoy nice things, not beer guzzling frat boys (no offense to anyone! been there, done that, ready to move on). though i one day want a family, im not anywhere near that time yet, and don't want to be surrounded by strollers and moms (again no offense, just want a different demographic).

during my time visiting manhattan, i loved tribeca and parts of the west village. soho was great but i think it's way too in the middle of a pedestrian foot mall. i have been on related's rentals website, and they have some great offerings in tribeca, including www.tribecatower.com. what areas in tribeca are nice, what areas are not so nice. any corner's or areas in tribeca to avoid? i work hard and want peace when i get home, and i live in san francisco now so i understand the makings of a big city, the fact that nothing is ever quiet, etc. i also saw a nice rental just behind the time warner center that seemed pretty well put together. and another great one in gramercy. the problem is there are so many options and locations! based on what you think my preferences are by what i have written, can you steer me in the right direction. i am a homebody a lot of the times and my home is my sanctuary, so i really want to do the best job possible finding a great living situation.

enough of my ramblings - what do you all think? locations, any suggestions on best places to avoid, best places to look? please help! there are so many options, i get confused easily. as much detail as possible would be great.

thank you so very much in advance - i really appreciate all of your help. NYC'ers are the nicest people i have ever encountered no matter what anyone else has said!

[Schadenfrau]

Gramercy Park or Tribeca sound perfect for you. The West Village is frequently overwhelmed by the frat types and strollers.

[kliq6]

homebody wanting to move to NYC, another interesting chartacter. id look on the UWS and UES if your into less actvity and staying in. Where do yo ulive now?

[bob_az]

klig - maybe i misspoke. i love to go out and have fun, am very social, etc. but when i mean homebody, i mean that i really value and cherish my home surroundings. i like the comforts of home, etc., and am subsequently willing to invest a lot of time, energy and money. i love to have a great time, but i also love coming home and just totally chilling out. forgive me if i made it sound differently. do you have any suggestions? i lived in san fran right now but am born and raised for the most part in phoenix.

schadenfrau - thanks for your input! any good ideas on buildings in these neighborhoods? corners to avoid, best places to go for living accomodations, etc.? there are tons in tribeca and gramercy!

[Schadenfrau]

I wouldn't be much help with specific buildings, but you seem like the sort of person who would probably appreciate pre-war buildings as opposed to the new luxury sort. For the most part, the construction is better, and you won't hear so much of your neighbors.

Look for units that don't face avenues- side streets are going to be more peaceful, and garden-facing units will be even more quiet. At the prices you're suggesting, you should go with Corcoran or Elliman. They generally have a lock on the nicest rentals at those price points.

[Front_Porch]

I work downtown and Tribeca would not be my first choice for a single 25-year-old guy; I think you'll find it's Strollerland, full of Wall Street families.

The good news is that it's the most expensive area in the city, so for the $4,700 a one-bedroom at Tribeca Tower will cost you, you can easily be in any other neighborhood. I would say the West Village near the Meatpacking District would offer a quiet apartment near a lot of nightlife, or the nicer areas of Gramercy -- it somewhat depends on whether you want to be near the East or West side trains, and whether you want to try to congregate near other people of a similar occupation (there are a lot of hospitals/med centers on the east side, so Gramercy might be fun if you're a young doctor.)

SoHo would also be a good choice, though it's crowded on weekends, and I just placed my last client with a similar profile to yours in Chinatown, where he got a two-bedroom, two-bath for under that price, but feels like it's a hop and a skip to SoHo and NoLita.

ali r.
{downtown broker}

[fishermb]

why waste your time if youd be gone in a flash and thinking of golf, dont think your NY material!

The fact that I moved here for a great job, to experience the city for a few years and I also happen to enjoy playing golf...if that doesn't make me NY material, umm...sure then I'm not NY material. But I guess you being on this forum telling someone who is or isn't NY material makes you fit the bill right?

[Schadenfrau]

Lord, I've got a weakness for so many Americana-esque things that are not readily available in NYC- in fact, after some time, these things grow to grand proportions in my mind. Strawberry soda? Fries that automatically come with tartar sauce? Cheap oysters? Roadside attractions? Still, I'd venture that I'm New York material at this point.

[ablarc]

The fact that I moved here for a great job, to experience the city for a few years and I also happen to enjoy playing golf...if that doesn't make me NY material, umm...sure then I'm not NY material. But I guess you being on this forum telling someone who is or isn't NY material makes you fit the bill right?
Sure, you're NY material, fishermb; New York welcomes all types and works its magic. Certainly, staying for a few years is as sound a plan as hanging around forever. And anyway, you might end up trading in Plan A for Plan B.

[Front_Porch]

Cheap oysters?

Arthur Avenue in The Bronx.

[Schadenfrau]

Sorry, but no dice, Front Porch. Anytime I've tried they've had a weak selection and high prices, at least compared to the Pacific Northwest versions I'm used to.

[Front_Porch]

Wow, when we went last year I think we got six blue points for $3 off a sidewalk vendor . . .must have gotten lucky.

My other suggestion was going to be that I heard the Magic Johnson theater in Harlem has strawberry soda, but I've never been.

[Schadenfrau]

That is a great, albeit suspicious price, FrontPorch. Thanks for your tips here.

[kaitlynt]

hi everybody,

i was just in the city last week for a number of interviews (is it usually that bitterly cold?? yowza!), and have received an offer from my top choice. yay! they would prefer me to be there in about a month, which i can understand ... but whew, what a whirlwind this is going to be. for you experienced new yorkers, i have two questions:

1) my salary will be in the neighborhood of 75k. i plan to spend 1200/month on rent, and would like to still contribute from every paycheck to my roth ira, 401k and general savings. based on these financials, what sort of financial "comfort" does it look like i'm facing? i'm not extravagant, though i still appreciate some creature comforts (tivo, a nice pair of shoes every now and then, high speed internet, saturday at the moma). i know that some months will be better than others, and of course, the city will slap me around every once and a while (that challenge is what i'm looking forward to!), but i'd like to be in a state of at least mild personal comfort. thoughts?

2) my parents are going to help me for the first year or two, until i get a feel for the city and cultivate a network from which i can more comfortably find a roomate (rather than blindly on craiglist or whatever), and match whatever i contribute for rent (read: 2400/month). i'd like to find a doorman studio in midtown west/clinton or the lower half of the UWS. does this sounds possible, and if so, any suggestions for lovely buildings to look at? in the next month?

thanks all. catch you on the flip side in the city!

[Gothamite]

Ok, me and 4 other people (5 in total) are looking for a 3 bedroom apartment in New York. We were looking at the following places: Brooklyn, Bronx, and Queens. I bascially need to know if these areas are decent and clean areas to live in. Are the pretty close to Manhattan or a Subway, and are they safe?

I have heard bad things about Bronx and Queens, is that just paranoia or are they really bad? If they are in what ways? We aren't high maintence people at all, we just want to be in a decent and safe area.

We are looking in the $1,500 - $2,000 price range.
Thanks for any help!!!

[Schadenfrau]

Is that $1,500 to 2,000 each?


ETA that the Bronx and Queens are large areas. You're going to need to be far more specific if you want to know what different neighborhoods are like.

[Gothamite]

Is that $1,500 to 2,000 each?


ETA that the Bronx and Queens are large areas. You're going to need to be far more specific if you want to know what different neighborhoods are like.

No, thats all together. 3 bedroom with 5 people splitting rent.
Well, I dont really know the names of areas so if you can, could you give me some names of areas to avoid?

[Schadenfrau]

Sorry, but I won't. It seems pretty clear that you haven't done your homework on this subject at all.

For the prices you're talking about, you're not likely to find anything remotely near a subway, much less in a neighborhood that you would consider "clean" or safe.

I realize that you're very young, but if you're going to live on your own, you need to take responsibility for doing some research and making logical plans.

[Gothamite]

Sorry, but I won't. It seems pretty clear that you haven't done your homework on this subject at all.

For the prices you're talking about, you're not likely to find anything remotely near a subway, much less in a neighborhood that you would consider "clean" or safe.

I realize that you're very young, but if you're going to live on your own, you need to take responsibility for doing some research and making logical plans.

I didn't ask you to judge me. I have been looking and researching for months and I HAVE found some in Brooklyn, Queens, and Bronx for those prices. You have no idea who I am so don't act like you do.

I asked a simple question because there isn't going to be an apartment website that is going to say DON'T LIVE HERE, so I thought I may ask someone that is willing to help. I may be "uneducated" but rather that than rude. Why are you here if you aren't willing to help, isn't that the point?

[Schadenfrau]

If you've found these apartments, why don't you tell us which neighborhoods they're in instead of demanding that people rattle off an irrelevant list of which neighborhoods are "bad"?

That certainly makes a lot more sense than taking someone who condemns an entire borough with any sense of seriousness.

[Gothamite]

If you've found these apartments, why don't you tell us which neighborhoods they're in instead of demanding that people rattle off an irrelevant list of which neighborhoods are "bad"?

That certainly makes a lot more sense than taking someone who condemns an entire borough with any sense of seriousness.

Well, I'm sorry, I wasn't aware there was a criteria I had to follow. Thanks for the help.

[Schadenfrau]

So, what are the neighborhoods?

[lofter1]

Schadenfrau wasn't being rude -- just pointing out that your questions were far too general. Tell people about specific neighborhoods that you are curious about -- you mention 3 entire boroughs that are larger than most cities in the US. If you've done the research as you've stated then share it. People here are very welcoming to inquisitive posters and offer great and specific information -- but less welcoming when it is put upon them to write a book in reply.

ps: Welcome to NY!!

[Gothamite]

Schadenfrau wasn't being rude -- just pointing out that your questions were far too general. Tell people about specific neighborhoods that you are curious about -- you mention 3 entire boroughs that are larger than most cities in the US. If you've done the research as you've stated then share it. People here are very welcoming to inquisitive posters and offer great and specific information -- but less welcoming when it is put upon them to write a book in reply.

ps: Welcome to NY!!

There is still a better way to ask than to judge me on my age and supposed nieveity.

[ryan]

We aren't a service; we're just random people giving out advice. It's annoying when we're asked to do all of the work figuring out someone else's plans. If you had read this entire thread before you posted - and then asked a more informed question - you would have received a much better reply.

[UNC_Convert]

Hey all, I'll be moving to the big M in late August, and I was wondering how much time I should give myself to look for an apartment. I have the bar exam in late July, so I was hoping to do the apartment search immediately after that (giving myself 3-4 weeks to find an apartment). I don't know if this would help your advice, but I'm looking for a studio apartment, about $2500/mo, preferably in the Hell's Kitchen/Gramercy/Chelsea/Murray Hill areas (as they're closer to work); am I narrowing my search too much within the month-long timeframe? Any help would be immensely appreciated; you guys are the best!

[Front_Porch]

I am happy to help you, although chances are your hiring firm has a relocation firm that they work with -- check with your H/R people, they might already have a broker they pay for that services the whole firm.

Since your expectations are realistic -- thanks in advance for not wanting a two bedroom -- you can find an apartment in two days. It's probably better that you give yourself a week, so you can get a little bit of the feel for the different neighborhoods. If you don't want to pay a broker's fee (negotiable, but typically 12 to 15% of a year's rent) you'll have to go direct to landlords in small buildings, so give yourself two weeks.

Also realize that August is vacation time, so the most successful brokers are at the beach -- and not showing properties -- on weekends. Try to leave yourself some weekend days to hunt around.

ali r.
{downtown broker}

[ryan]

Aw, we've got you scared to ask anything! I found my apt the first day I went looking, but I don't think that's typical. Certainly many people do just fine in your timeframe. I'll defer to front_porch on how far your budget will go specifically, but it doesn't seem unreasonable to me.

[ryan]

She's too good.

[Front_Porch]

No, I just like renters . . . you cruise around in cabs, make friends, and then, boom! onto the next thing.

Buyers and sellers move at a stately (and less fun) pace .. .

ali r.
{downtown broker}

[ablarc]

ps: Welcome to NY!!
Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.




Howdy, Gothamite; don't go away.

[Lolita88]

People here are very welcoming to inquisitive posters and offer great and specific information


I could not agree more.

Seriosly without really reading anything, just looking at adds and pics, you'd be amazed at how much info you'd find.

BTW and this is not to be rude, just real, dont be so lazy, the people on here are great, just work with them!:p

[Lolita88]

Oh and the last part of that post was meant for Gothamite, I dont think I made that clear. :p

[wstreetbiz]

Hello,

I would like to move to new york city this summer. I am from southern California and love driving. Would it be very difficult to live in new york city and drive? Also, do most apartment buildings offer parking as long as I'm willing to pay for it?

Thanks in advance.

[bronzenine]

Yes, everyday driving in new york is ridiculous.. after a day driving in new york you probably wouldn't like driving much anymore. most people take cabs/subway/walk and cars are really just for vip celebs to roll in on.

[ablarc]

Almost the whole time I lived in New York I owned a car. I wouldn't recommend it for transportation, but you can take some lovely joyrides evenings and weekends.

If you can afford to garage it ($$$), why not?

[ManhattanKnight]

Hello,

Also, do most apartment buildings offer parking as long as I'm willing to pay for it?


Some apartment buildings in Manhattan have garages; most don't. Most are within a short walk from one or more garages that are open to the public, for a fee. A big fee.

[Schadenfrau]

If you love driving, don't move here. That's the end of the story.

[daydream nation]

Hi,

I'm a 23 year-old girl, considering moving to the city. I've lived in L.A. and London previously-- I moved to L.A. with just $300 in savings and London with $450, so I've been cash-poor in the big city and still made it work etc etc etc.

Anyway, my situation is a little bit unusual. I own a condo in CA worth about $400,000 with no mortgage or outstanding loans, but I have almost no cash. My condo is rented out for $1,450 a month so I have regular income from that. My tenants have been living there for seven years, so it's a very stable arrangement.

However, I would be moving to New York without a job. I have a BA in English, and I'm a musician. In the past, I've worked all kinds of different jobs to pay the bills, but I have never (and probably will never) have a professional vocation that pays tons of money.

I'm looking to share an apartment with people. Ideally, I would like to have my own room, but if I need to share a room with one or two other people for a while, that's fine too. I've done that before and didn't mind.

I've read a lot about Williamsburg, and it seemed like it might be a good fit for me. But (and I feel ridiculous asking if there are enough hipsters somewhere..) I'm worried it might not be indie enough. I've been living in Hoxton for the past three years, and I really need an area with lots of performance spaces, bars with live music licenses, creative young people, and an indie rock bias.

This is totally critical to me-- the dearth of that sort of thing was why I left L.A. I've stayed with friends of mine who live in Austin and in the Mission District of S.F. and both areas have a rep for that sort of thing but when I got there there was just nothing going on.

As an American citizen, visa issues are making it very difficult for me to continue to pursue a career as a musician in London, and I need to move somewhere where I can put a new band together (I play electric guitar) and there is a decent local music community to make contacts within.

Is Williamsburg where I should go? Is it still a dynamic place, or is it starting to splinter? If I can pay about $850-$900 in rent a month, including bills, will I be able to afford a single room in a shared apartment there?

Cheers!

[ryan]

$850-$900 is plenty of $$$ for a share - which I'm sure you'll be able to find on craigslist. Williamsburg is actually a pretty big area - the northside neighborhood around Bedford avenue is just a small corner - which you probably won't be able to afford. Hipsters live all the way out on the L now, so I'm sure you'll find an area that's indie enough for you. Or you can live in Greenpoint like me and just walk across McCarren park.

I'm sure you could live anywhere though - a lot of the performing will probably be in Manhattan - everyone commutes.

[ryan]

If you love driving, don't move here. That's the end of the story.

Can't say it in so few words, but unless you have someplace specific to drive to (summer place, etc) there's not anywhere really worth driving to. If there is, someone please tell me as I'm pretty used-up as far as daytrips go.

Save your money to fly somewhere.

[Schadenfrau]

I got the impression that WStreetBiz was talking less about day trips and more about NYYankee-style driving from door to door.

[fishermb]

While on the topic of Williamsburg...I am trying to figure out where I'll move when my sublease is up on May 1st. I really want to try and find a studio, and I am finding that while there are options in Manhattan in my price range of $1500/month, they seem to be in areas I'm not interested in (UES, Harlem and above, etc.).

So I'm considering Brooklyn, as I much prefer having my own place than sharing (although if it becomes necessary to share, I'll do what I have to do, location is more important to me right now), and I too like the creative, indie-type of atmosphere of Williamsburg. Is my budget reasonable to find a decent place there? I'm not looking for square footage, I'm looking for a decent space to sleep and have some sort of kitchen to cook dinner. Any other suggestions in BK with a similar atmosphere to Williamsburg that might also be in my range?

Grazie-

[ryan]

I still like Ft. Greene. The architecture is so beautiful, the park is nice, and it's on the upswing. I would live almost anywhere in Brooklyn before the UES or north Manhattan. Where are you commuting to?

[fishermb]

I still like Ft. Greene. The architecture is so beautiful, the park is nice, and it's on the upswing. I would live almost anywhere in Brooklyn before the UES or north Manhattan. Where are you commuting to?

My office is on Bryant Park, so BDFV or anything that goes to Times Sq. is closest to me. Can you tell me a bit about Ft Greene? I suppose I'm a bit uneducated when it comes to Brooklyn...as far as what's important to me, I'm looking for a young community, things like a quality (natural/organic) supermarket and good restaurants, but also an area that is not crazy loud (I have trouble sleeping, I need to get out of midtown). Location and quality also mean a lot more to me than square footage, I'm 22, single and don't have any pets.

[ryan]

I don't think you'll find a good grocery store in any "hip" part of Brooklyn - outside of Red Hook. Northside Williamsburg has tops, which is decent. Greenpoint avenue Greenpoint has The Garden, which is a really great store. From there you'd be 25-30 minutes (G to the V) from Bryant Park. But there's only a few pretty blocks in Greenpoint - otherwise it fits your criteria, and you'd get a nice place for $1500.

Ft. Green/Clinton hill might not have the groceries, but it is the neighborhood I'd choose if i were just moving to NYC. Still a bit sleepy, but a nice strip of restaurants...can walk to BAM... and it's very, very pretty.

http://www.nyc.gov/html/dcp/gif/neighbor/neighl.gif

[fishermb]

I didn't necessarily mean a super market...there's no hip area in brooklyn that has a small organic market? I'm planning to take the subway over to different parts this weekend (assuming the snow lets up) and see what interests me, thanks for the info ryan.

[wstreetbiz]

I got the impression that WStreetBiz was talking less about day trips and more about NYYankee-style driving from door to door.

I just want to drive everywhere I go; school, market, out, etc. Even if I'm going 5 mph in the city, I'll still have a good time because of such a nice setting. Mainly, I'm wondering if it's possible. As in, is there parking available at markets, movie theaters, restaurant, etc.? I am aware of the traffic and the costs.

Thanks,
WstreetBiz

[lofter1]

I didn't necessarily mean a super market...there's no hip area in brooklyn that has a small organic market?


Green Markets (http://www.ny.com/dining/green.html) (aka Farmers Markets) in Brooklyn:

Borough Hall
Court & Remsen St
Tues, Sat 8am-6pm

Albee Square
Fulton & Dekalb Ave
Wed 8am-3pm
July to October

Grand Army Plaza
Entrance to Prospect Park
Sat 8am-4pm

Windsor Terrace
Prospect Park West & 15th St
inside park entrance
Wed 8am-4pm
May to November

Bedford-Stuyvesant
Nostrand & Dekalb Ave
Sat 8am-3pm
July to October

Williamsburg
Havemeyer St & Broadway
Thurs 8am-5pm
July to October

McCarren Park
Lorimer & Driggs Ave
Sat 8am-3pm
June to November


Food Coops, Natural Food stores, Health Food stores for organic food and health food (http://www.organicconsumers.org/foodcoops.htm)

• DOWNTOWN NATURAL MARKET (http://www.organicconsumers.org/linkpage.cfm?memid=4306) - FULL SERVICE HEALTH FOOD STORE. (Brooklyn)

• EatRaw (http://www.organicconsumers.org/linkpage.cfm?memid=4107) - Raw, Wild & Organic Foods & Information to help You Detoxify, Cleanse & Revitalize Your Life!. (Brooklyn)

• Flatbush Food Co-op (http://www.organicconsumers.org/linkpage.cfm?memid=186) - a full-line whole foods grocery store with a strong emphasis on organic products.. (Brooklyn)

• Imhotep's Health & Living Food St (http://www.organicconsumers.org/linkpage.cfm?memid=6486) - Full service natural food store and restaurant. (Brooklyn)

• Leaf of Life Health Food Shoppe (http://www.organicconsumers.org/linkpage.cfm?memid=18580) - Leaf Of Life Vitamin Shoppe. (Brooklyn)

• Park Slope Food Coop (http://www.organicconsumers.org/linkpage.cfm?memid=183) - Brooklyn's largest coop grocery - members only. (Brooklyn)

• Perelandra Natural Food Center (http://www.organicconsumers.org/linkpage.cfm?memid=18414) - Full service natural foods supermarket specializing in organics & serving Bklyn Heights since 1976. (Brooklyn)

[fishermb]

Gracias lofter.

[lofter1]

da niente

( thank google ;) )

[ablarc]

I just want to drive everywhere I go; school, market, out, etc.
Unless you have a chauffeur, you'll find this impossible; parking is both difficult and expensive. In next to no time you'll be taking the subway.

Even if I'm going 5 mph in the city, I'll still have a good time because of such a nice setting.
Maybe...right up until it comes time to park.

Mainly, I'm wondering if it's possible.
Not really possible.

As in, is there parking available at markets, movie theaters, restaurant, etc.?
No.

But as I said, you can have pleasant joy rides at off hours.

Don't know if those will compensate for the hassle and expense.

If I were doing it, I'd not own a car and rent one on weekends; you'd still come out ahead, and you'd always have a nice, clean car.

[wstreetbiz]

So the best way to do it is chauffeur and car for joyriding but you can't park. Is there even valet? What does someone like donald trump do? Chauffeur?

Thank you very much for your help.
WstreetBiz

[ablarc]

Is there even valet?
Only a few places.

What does someone like donald trump do? Chauffeur?
I guess.

Thank you very much for your help.
Sorry it wasn't what you wanted to hear.

[Schadenfrau]

So the best way to do it is chauffeur and car for joyriding but you can't park. Is there even valet? What does someone like donald trump do? Chauffeur?

WstreetBiz

Lord help us all.

You do understand that Manhattan doesn't have parking lots, right? There is most certainly not valet.

[lofter1]

You can call a car service -- let them drive you around.

[fishermb]

Can someone give me a general idea of what lifestyle in Brooklyn Heights is like? I'm afraid my only exposure to this area is in the movie Heights...a friend of a friend is subletting a room by Schermerhorn St at Court St and I don't really know much about the neighborhood, young crowd? good places to eat? quiet? etc. Merci-

[Front_Porch]

I think of Brooklyn Heights as young Wall Street couples on their first kid, but maybe that's just me.

ali r.
{downtown broker}

[ryan]

Brooklyn Heights is pretty but boring. The promenade is nice, but there are few restaurants or bars. What is there is frumpy. People are UES-ish. It's an easy walk to Smith/Court/Atlantic, though, where you'd find lots of life. Personally I'd just live over in Cobble/Boerum/Carroll Gardens and save the promenade for the occasional walk.

[fishermb]

So I just got back from wandering around a bit...I walked around Cobble Hill which I liked a lot (Smith/Court St.), Boerum, BK Heights which was nice but definately a bit quiet, parts of Atlantic Ave seemed interesting but when it crossed into Flatbush it got a bit too hectic for me. I started off on 9th st and 4th ave which I'm pretty sure is Park Slope and worked north from there...are there nicer parts of Park Slope? Are the better parts closer to Prospect Park? I did realize I'll need a few more days like today to check out other areas before taking the next step. Thoughts?

[ryan]

You didn't see Park Slope at all. 5th ave and 7th ave are the primary commercial strips and it gets prettier the closer you go to the park. You could start at the same spot and walk over to the Botanical Garden. I like Cobble/Boerum hill too. To get to Ft. Greene you would have continued down Atlantic past flatbush and made a left turn. You'd be surprised how quick it turns tranquil and residential.

[fishermb]

Checked out Park Slope, definately not for me. I met a friend for dinner in BK Heights last night and I'm starting to like that area more and more, I'm looking for quiet and the location is ideal. Will try to get over to Williamsburg/Greenpoint next weekend just to see what the area is like.

[Schadenfrau]

If Park Slope isn't quiet enough for you, don't even bother with Williamsburg. Ryan's advice for you is spot on, and I'd think that Brooklyn Heights would be your ideal location.

[trdcarlos]

Hmmm, Awesome, just an awesome section you guys put up in here.

Well here's my situation:

Right now, I'm living in Orlando, FL. I'm currently debating between two places, Miami and New York City, in which I lived in for the first 15 Years of my life.

Getting to the point, however, in in the I.T Field. I'm right now at my first ever I.T Job at a call center. I'm about to finish my A.S in Computer Info Science, and have no certs, but I am working towards a A+ before I move.

My Questions are:

Currently, adding basic necessities & financials together, New York Comes out winning because I would not need a car. Based on your opinions, is this assumption correct?

Second, my current salary is $13/hr. With approx. 1 Year of Real World Experience and 4 to 5 Years of Independent Experience in I.T, how much would I be looking to earn? Assuming that I'm going for a Help Desk Position, non Managerial Position?

Third, For a 24 Yr Old, would New York be a better overall choice, Financially and in Practicality?

Thank you very much for the input!

[fishermb]

Hmmm, Awesome, just an awesome section you guys put up in here.

Well here's my situation:

Right now, I'm living in Orlando, FL. I'm currently debating between two places, Miami and New York City, in which I lived in for the first 15 Years of my life.

Getting to the point, however, in in the I.T Field. I'm right now at my first ever I.T Job at a call center. I'm about to finish my A.S in Computer Info Science, and have no certs, but I am working towards a A+ before I move.

My Questions are:

Currently, adding basic necessities & financials together, New York Comes out winning because I would not need a car. Based on your opinions, is this assumption correct?

Second, my current salary is $13/hr. With approx. 1 Year of Real World Experience and 4 to 5 Years of Independent Experience in I.T, how much would I be looking to earn? Assuming that I'm going for a Help Desk Position, non Managerial Position?

Third, For a 24 Yr Old, would New York be a better overall choice, Financially and in Practicality?

Thank you very much for the input!

I've only been living in New York for about a month, but I spent the first 22 years of my life in Miami, so I can give you some advice. I'd imagine the same will be said about NY, but $13/hr will not get you too far in Miami. Most likely you'd be looking at sharing an apartment in areas of West Kendall or Coral Gables, that will be pretty high traffic and not the nicest of buildings. You might also consider areas just outside of Miami, like Doral, Hialeah, and Homestead which will be cheaper but a 20 or so minute drive into Miami.

The disadvantages? Gas is up near $3 a gallon right now (my parents were complaining to me a few days ago about this), insurance is higher in Miami than in most parts of the country, though once you turn 26 it drops a bit. Traffic has become so bad that I'd try to avoid US1 anytime between 8AM and 8PM. Going out can be expensive - nice restaurants and clubs on South Beach regularly charge $15 for a drink - though there are many places to eat and drink that are much cheaper. It's advantagious to know Spanish as you will go many places where people don't speak English, it can be frustrating, but I learned over time and don't really mind now.

The good - You can be on the beach and the golf course about 360 out of 365 days of the year (there is usually a week or 2 sprinkled here or there in the 40s/50s). The culture is diverse and amazing, a great new Performing Arts Center (ballet/opera/orchestra) was just built downtown, we have the Heat, Dolphins, Panthers and Marlins, Miami Hurricanes, no city or state income tax.

Since you have easy access to Miami right now (3-3.5 hour drive on the Turnpike), I'd say try to line up some interviews, see what's available in your field and maybe you'll find the pay higher or lower, and then better be able to make a decision.

[econ_tim]

Wow! This site, and this thread in particular, sure has a lot of good information. (Yes, I did read the whole thread.)

I'm 26 and live in Cambridge, MA, and I just accepted a job in Manhattan. The start date is flexible - I'm thinking about moving in August and starting work in September.

I've been researching apartments, but I'm still very early in the process. My base salary will be 150k, and I was hoping to spend around $2,500 for a 1BR apartment in Manhattan. After reading the posts, it seems like a more realistic range is $2,750-$3,000. I did find a number of what seemed to be good 1BRs on the nytimes listings for $2,500. Are these fake, or otherwise undesirable?

I don't expect to live in the poshest areas, but I would like good subway access. I'll be working in midtown, so most lines should be fine. The neighborhoods I've been looking at so far are Hell's Kitchen, Chelsea, Financial District, and - to a lesser extent - UWS and UES. I'm trying to avoid broker fees, and I read the thread here on no fee apartments, so I will be contacting a lot of landlords and management companies directly. I have also looked at the websites for several "luxury" buildings built in the past 5 years and concluded that they cost more than I would like to spend.

Anyway, some of you seem to have very good information. Am I right in thinking that I can find somewhat more affordable apts with decent amenities (e.g. 63 Wall St.) in the financial district? And how much can I expect to save by living in 15-20 year old highrises vs. the new construction luxury buildings? I realize my questions are fairly general at this point, but I still have a lot to learn. I'm sure I'll have more questions later.

[fishermb]

Am I right in thinking that I can find somewhat more affordable apts with decent amenities (e.g. 63 Wall St.) in the financial district?

One of my best friends lives in 63 Wall St., she is in a Studio+Home Office and pays $2850 a month. It's a nice apartment, the kitchens and bathrooms are well done, and it's nice to have a doorman and gym in your building. The financial district gets kind of dead at night, but if you're looking for quiet that can be a positive. I'd imagine that other FD luxury buildings are in the same price range, I'm sure you can find a studio (without home office) for under $2500 if you want to be in a luxury building.

[kliq6]

Wow! This site, and this thread in particular, sure has a lot of good information. (Yes, I did read the whole thread.)

I'm 26 and live in Cambridge, MA, and I just accepted a job in Manhattan. The start date is flexible - I'm thinking about moving in August and starting work in September.

I've been researching apartments, but I'm still very early in the process. My base salary will be 150k, and I was hoping to spend around $2,500 for a 1BR apartment in Manhattan. After reading the posts, it seems like a more realistic range is $2,750-$3,000. I did find a number of what seemed to be good 1BRs on the nytimes listings for $2,500. Are these fake, or otherwise undesirable?

I don't expect to live in the poshest areas, but I would like good subway access. I'll be working in midtown, so most lines should be fine. The neighborhoods I've been looking at so far are Hell's Kitchen, Chelsea, Financial District, and - to a lesser extent - UWS and UES. I'm trying to avoid broker fees, and I read the thread here on no fee apartments, so I will be contacting a lot of landlords and management companies directly. I have also looked at the websites for several "luxury" buildings built in the past 5 years and concluded that they cost more than I would like to spend.

Anyway, some of you seem to have very good information. Am I right in thinking that I can find somewhat more affordable apts with decent amenities (e.g. 63 Wall St.) in the financial district? And how much can I expect to save by living in 15-20 year old highrises vs. the new construction luxury buildings? I realize my questions are fairly general at this point, but I still have a lot to learn. I'm sure I'll have more questions later.

Unrelated question, how is the job market in Boston, I heard the town is slipping a bit?

[trdcarlos]

I've only been living in New York for about a month, but I spent the first 22 years of my life in Miami, so I can give you some advice. I'd imagine the same will be said about NY, but $13/hr will not get you too far in Miami. Most likely you'd be looking at sharing an apartment in areas of West Kendall or Coral Gables, that will be pretty high traffic and not the nicest of buildings. You might also consider areas just outside of Miami, like Doral, Hialeah, and Homestead which will be cheaper but a 20 or so minute drive into Miami.

The disadvantages? Gas is up near $3 a gallon right now (my parents were complaining to me a few days ago about this), insurance is higher in Miami than in most parts of the country, though once you turn 26 it drops a bit. Traffic has become so bad that I'd try to avoid US1 anytime between 8AM and 8PM. Going out can be expensive - nice restaurants and clubs on South Beach regularly charge $15 for a drink - though there are many places to eat and drink that are much cheaper. It's advantagious to know Spanish as you will go many places where people don't speak English, it can be frustrating, but I learned over time and don't really mind now.

The good - You can be on the beach and the golf course about 360 out of 365 days of the year (there is usually a week or 2 sprinkled here or there in the 40s/50s). The culture is diverse and amazing, a great new Performing Arts Center (ballet/opera/orchestra) was just built downtown, we have the Heat, Dolphins, Panthers and Marlins, Miami Hurricanes, no city or state income tax.

Since you have easy access to Miami right now (3-3.5 hour drive on the Turnpike), I'd say try to line up some interviews, see what's available in your field and maybe you'll find the pay higher or lower, and then better be able to make a decision.Thank you very much on the advice.

I do in fact plan to send resumes to both locations, after my A.S of course which should be in little less than a Month from now.

However like I said, Money is an issue and I'll take all the Savings I can get, and right now, New York Comes out winning due to the fact that Unlike Miami, I would not need a car. I can hop on the Subway into Manhattan to get to my job, and really, I do plan on going for my bachelors up there as well, same with Miami.

But thanks, greatly appreciate the advice. Anymore is always welcome

[econ_tim]

Unrelated question, how is the job market in Boston, I heard the town is slipping a bit?

I had two comparable job offers in Boston, but chose the one in NY because I want to live there at some point in my life, so why not now? I don't know how the job market is in general here, but things don't seem down. In fact, we're having a bit of a building boom right now. Of course we can't compete with NY on that front.

[kliq6]

I had two comparable job offers in Boston, but chose the one in NY because I want to live there at some point in my life, so why not now? I don't know how the job market is in general here, but things don't seem down. In fact, we're having a bit of a building boom right now. Of course we can't compete with NY on that front.

Thanks, native Bostonian? Enjoy NYC when you get here, maybe youll become a lifer unlike most that try it for a few years and leave

[econ_tim]

Thanks, native Bostonian? Enjoy NYC when you get here, maybe youll become a lifer unlike most that try it for a few years and leave

I'm originally from TN, but I've been in Boston for almost 5 years now for graduate school.

[kittygirl]

Don't worry; it hardly gets cold at all in New York.

Of course, I've spent five of the last six years in Montana. :cool:

Hi,

I'm new to this post - but as I was reading through I noticed that you said you have spent five of the past six years in Montana. Where? I am currently in Bozeman. I just accepted a professorship at Hunter College in NYC for this fall. So my husband and I will be moving in July. I'm guessing this will be quite the culture shock for me! But I am really excited and this is something that I've wanted to do for a long time. I would appreciate hearing how another person made the transition!

Thanks,
kittygirl

[fishermb]

Can anyone comment on www.nofeenycrentals.com (http://www.nofeenycrentals.com) ? They charge $80 to access contact information. I'm checking out other no-fee sites and am ready to go out and find my studio, but I dont want to just throw away money if these sites aren't too legit.

[laslilangel]

So I've looked through a lot of this site and know similar questions have been answered already, so sorry asking again.

I'm about the graduate this May and for the past few years planned on moving to NY. Finally I was able to find a roommate and she just recently got us an apartment in Manhattan, I'm not an expert on the city and what all the neighborhoods are like, but for the location and size, it's an amazing price. Anyways, I was just wondering how most people actually move everything to their NY apartments. Since it's only my stuff I'll be moving, it won't be a whole lot, mostly just my bedroom furniture, a couch, and some other random things. Is it worth it to pay a mover to do this all?? I'll be moving from about 6-7 hours away, so it's in driving distance, I've just never actually had to drive in the city before and wasn't sure how it would be if my family rented a small moving truck and took everything ourselves.

Also, this isn't as important, but can anyone give me an estimate for what to expect for monthly bills...gas, electric, basic cable/internet, all that kind of stuff. I don't want an exact answer, but I'm just trying to get an idea of a budget started, especially since I still don't have a job yet lol.

[ryan]

Can't help you with bill estimates, but I can assure you that it's fine to have your family move you into your new place.

In NY we tend to hire out a lot of work that people in other parts of the country do themselves (like laundry, cooking and moving). So most NYers would tell you to just hire movers - and it would of course be a nice luxury to do so - but if you don't want to pay for it, you don't need to.

[fishermb]

Also, this isn't as important, but can anyone give me an estimate for what to expect for monthly bills...gas, electric, basic cable/internet, all that kind of stuff. I don't want an exact answer, but I'm just trying to get an idea of a budget started, especially since I still don't have a job yet lol.

You should check into if any utilities such as gas are included in your rent. Verizon and Time Warner both offer "triple play" packages that include a local phone line, digital TV and hi-speed internet for around $100-125 a month.

[Front_Porch]

If you are in an apartment at an "amazing price," you might not have a large freight elevator at your disposal.

Make sure your couch fits in the passenger elevator and/or won't get stuck on the stairs.

Otherwise, you'll have to get your couch cut in half and reassembled. There are a number of different services that do this -- it tends to run around $125.

ali r.
{downtown broker}

[rincony]

Sorry but I am looking for an apartment less than $800 in NYC. Dont' mind to live where ther are other latinos. I am from Venezuela and I speak spanish and english well. I lived in Philadelphia and I hate that city so much. Please tell me where i can move for that price. I dont want to live in queens because I know some people there that I dont want to see that they live there. I want to explore in brooklyn or the bronx. I know Manhattan is too expensive but if there is $800 apartment I move there too.

Thanks you for your help. :)

[kliq6]

Bronx and Queens for that price, nothing in manhattan for less then 1000

[rincony]

Dont want queens now. So bronx you thiink I can get a two bedroom for $800? I want to rent one room to another friend too. So we both pay the rent. Thanks.

[Schadenfrau]

Try in the middle and far-eastern areas of the Bronx. You're priced out of anything too close to Manhattan.

[rincony]

Thank you. do you know what trains are close to the areas you told me. I want to live closer to train to come to manahttan.

[Schadenfrau]

Check a subway map, check Craigslist for rentals, pick some neighborhoods you can afford, then ask questions about the neighborhood.

[rincony]

:confused: craglist? where is that?

[Schadenfrau]

Dont want queens now. So bronx you thiink I can get a two bedroom for $800? I want to rent one room to another friend too. So we both pay the rent. Thanks.

Sorry, but you won't be able to find a 2-bedroom for that price.

[rincony]

Ok 1 bedroom and friend can sleep in living room. We do that. ;)

[laslilangel]

If you are in an apartment at an "amazing price," you might not have a large freight elevator at your disposal.

Make sure your couch fits in the passenger elevator and/or won't get stuck on the stairs.

Otherwise, you'll have to get your couch cut in half and reassembled. There are a number of different services that do this -- it tends to run around $125.

ali r.
{downtown broker}

luckily we're on the first floor, so no stairs/elevator to worry about, and my roommate is almost positive it should fit through all the doorways fine...but she's going back to take measurements next week.

thanks everyone else for the advice about moving and bills tho!

[lofter1]

NYers always think about the high cost of moving -- that's one reason so many of us stay in the same place once we find something we like. Not so easy here to rent a U-Haul, pull it up and load everything on.

[davlai3]

I want to start off by saying that this is a wonderful resource for anyone considering a move to NYC. I am thrilled that I have come across this thread.

My boyfriend and I are considering a move to the city. We currently live in Erie, PA and the job market isn't very appealing. I am 24 and he is 23. We both have college degrees (BA in Communications and a BA in Math) with minimal experience in our fields (1-2 years) and have approximately $10K-12K saved for a move in August of 2007. I have read a great deal of this forum and have picked up a lot of great tips, but I do have a few questions.

The most important aspect of our move is clearly focused on career opportunity. Is it reasonable that we could find entry-level positions in our fields in the ballpark of $28-30K per year? I figure that $60K combined would certainly be enough to afford a $1000-1200 moderate one bedroom apartment in one of the surrounding areas (we will not have a car). We want a safe area that is close to the subway and no more than 40 minutes from Manhattan.

I have looked at apartments.com and found these three apartment complexes. I would certainly appreciate any feedback or information that you would have regarding these managed properties in Brooklyn. Are the areas safe and what is their approximate commute time to Manhattan? Anything reason I should avoid these places? Thanks in advance for the info! :) Also feel free to suggest any places that you feel would be a good fit based on our situation.

Flatbush Gardens
1403 New York Ave.
Brooklyn, NY 11210
http://www.apartments.com/summary.aspx?property=164931.3&srank=2&state=ny&helicon=0&rgn2=78&area1=y&area2=y&area5=y&rent_minimum=900&rent_maximum=1500&am49=0&page=summary&prvpg=7&srt1=0.29&srt2=0.87&srt3=0.53 (http://www.apartments.com/summary.aspx?property=164931.3&srank=2&state=ny&helicon=0&rgn2=78&area1=y&area2=y&area5=y&rent_minimum=900&rent_maximum=1500&am49=0&page=summary&prvpg=7&srt1=0.29&srt2=0.87&srt3=0.53)

Patio Gardens
580-590 Flatbush Ave.
Brooklyn, NY 11225
http://www.apartments.com/summary.aspx?property=129003.1&srank=6&state=ny&helicon=0&rgn2=78&area1=y&area2=y&area5=y&rent_minimum=900&rent_maximum=1500&am49=0&page=summary&prvpg=7&srt1=0.29&srt2=0.87&srt3=0.53

Ebbetts Field
1720 Bedford Ave.
Brooklyn, NY 11225
http://www.apartments.com/summary.aspx?property=129003.2&srank=7&state=ny&helicon=0&rgn2=78&area1=y&area2=y&area5=y&rent_minimum=900&rent_maximum=1500&am49=0&page=summary&prvpg=7&srt1=0.29&srt2=0.87&srt3=0.53

[Schadenfrau]

I don't know those particular buildings, but is there any reason you're looking for apartment complexes? You'd spend a lot less money renting in a regular old apartment building.

[naturalized]

NYers always think about the high cost of moving -- that's one reason so many of us stay in the same place once we find something we like. Not so easy here to rent a U-Haul, pull it up and load everything on.

On the contrary. Uhauls can be rented for same day service for 19.99 (for a cargo van) plus gas and .99 cents a mile. I recently moved from Union square/gramercy area to the financial district for about $50... the only real trouble was picking up and returning the van at 103rd and Lex - a small price to pay.

[davlai3]

I don't know those particular buildings, but is there any reason you're looking for apartment complexes? You'd spend a lot less money renting in a regular old apartment building.

Really? I just guessed that it would be easier to live in a managed property. I have always lived in apartment complexes with things like 24 hour maintenance, etc. I would be open to a regular apartment building, but isn't that more risky. I would think it would be easier to be taken advantage of (but that is a naive guess because I don't know).

Are there any reasons that you might suggest avoiding a managed complex as opposed to a regular apartment? Are they anyless safe? Btw we are a gay couple, but I wouldn't think discrimination would play a factor in securing an apartment.

Thanks again for your info. :)

[Schadenfrau]

The vast majority of apartments in NYC are not in large apartment complexes, so you'd really be limiting yourself to an unreasonably small number of properties- probably less than 10% of what's available.

[JD Ariza]

Hi, I'm 19 years old and have had my heart set on moving to NYC ever since I was 13. I'm transferring to Brooklyn College. I'm staying with either one of two friends for free, which is a blessing.
Can anyone suggest to me where I can get a job of some sort?

[bmc]

:confused: craglist? where is that?

Check the NYC Apartments section (http://newyork.craigslist.org/about/apts.html) on Craigslist (http://newyork.craigslist.org).

[ManhattanKnight]

Just a few thoughts, davlai3 --

You guys are 23 and 24 and about to move to one of the most exciting places in the world; please try to excise "risky," "24 hour maintenance," and "anything less safe" from your inventory of fears and must-haves. This is NYC, not Erie, PA! ;)

I'm not familiar with the 3 buildings/housing projects that you mention. To me, though, they look suffocatingly dull (and ugly), and I'll venture a guess that the average age of their residents is closer to 85 than 25. You can do a lot better. Something less mausoleum-like and closer to the physical and energetic heart of the City.

Since I'm a gay man living in one of the City's historically most gay-congenial neighborhoods, housing discrimination based on sexual orientation hasn't been a factor in my life, but I think that it would naive to believe that it has disappeared entirely or evenly throughout the City. If you have gay friends or friends of friends here, by all means ask them about their own experiences and knowledge of different neighborhoods.

And last, spend a weekend or a few here before your move, getting a feeling for the City, its neighborhood and people, and before you decide where in this vast and varied place you'll make your home. There's no finer season in NYC than Spring (unless it's Fall). Come, enjoy, thrive!

[ryan]

ditto manhattanknight. I actually think my landlord liked me and my partner more b/c we are gay (he's not, by the way, I just think he likes the cache). You'll find lots of young gays along the L train in Brooklyn - especially Williamsburg - and in Astoria (maybe that's just my circle?). Jackson Heights has a long history as a gay Latino neighborhood. NYC is one of the most gay friendly places in the world, so you won't have to worry about being discriminated against in the same way any more.

Stop looking at apts on apartments.com and get on craigslist. You'll find something much, much better.

[Front_Porch]

Housing discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation is capital I Illegal in New York City.

If you think you are turned down for an apartment just because you are gay, call 311 and ask to be directed to the city office where you can file a complaint.

ali r.
{downtown broker}

[JournalistJessica]

All of you have given me such great advice and I am looking forward to making my big move from Florida to NYC (or maybe Hoboken or JC) sometime between May-August 2008, after college.

Anyway, there's one thing I hadn't really thought about. I'm a fairly conservative Christian. With that said, I have friends of all beliefs and social values, but as you can guess, here in the Deep South, I also have a large percentage of people around me who share my values. Anyway, I'm just wondering what good neighborhoods would be in NYC for a Christian with traditional values. I don't mean to sound close-minded. I'm not. It's just that I was raised with certain values, wouldn't be able to shake them off now, so it would be really nice to be around a few others that shared my beliefs.:p

I started thinking about this yesterday when a liberal friend and I were in a debate. He said, "You are going to have such a culture shock when you encounter all those liberals in NYC." Now, I'm having second thoughts about even moving. I mean, part of the reason I want to go is to experience the Northern culture for a while, but I also can't leave me own fairly conservative beliefs behind.

Please tell me I won't be the only republican in NYC.:confused:

[ryan]

I know a republican. She felt "outnumbered" or something to that effect. Most of us move here to stay away from conservative christians. I'm sure you won't be the only one, but you won't find a neighborhood full of yourself. Hope you don't mind the gays or the jews...or people who aren't white or born in this country.

[JournalistJessica]

I know a republican. She felt "outnumbered" or something to that effect. Most of us move here to stay away from conservative christians. I'm sure you won't be the only one, but you won't find a neighborhood full of yourself. Hope you don't mind the gays or the jews...or people who aren't white or born in this country.

Sorry, I didn't mean to sound offensive. On the contrary, I have gay friends, and well as those of other religions. The only thing is that here, I also have many friends, if not most, who share my own values. Really, I'm not too conservative, just a Christian, and what I probably just need is to get into a really good non-denominational church wherever I move in the NYC area. That would probably fullfill my need to have a group Christian friends.

[212]

Sorry, I didn't mean to sound offensive. On the contrary, I have gay friends, and well as those of other religions. The only thing is that here, I also have many friends, if not most, who share my own values. Really, I'm not too conservative, just a Christian, and what I probably just need is to get into a really good non-denominational church wherever I move in the NYC area. That would probably fullfill my need to have a group Christian friends.

NYC is big enough that anyone can find friends with similar values here. ;)

Your current church might be able to recommend one in NYC. Or, you could turn to a free social networking site like Meetup.com, where people with like interests plan get-togethers. Just now I did a search for "Christian" on Meetup and found several active groups in town.

[lofter1]

No matter your denomination it is most likely that you will find a congregation to serve your needs. I suggest you try a google search. That could steer you in the direction where you're looking to go.

[Schadenfrau]

All of you have given me such great advice and I am looking forward to making my big move from Florida to NYC (or maybe Hoboken or JC) sometime between May-August 2008, after college.

Anyway, there's one thing I hadn't really thought about. I'm a fairly conservative Christian. With that said, I have friends of all beliefs and social values, but as you can guess, here in the Deep South, I also have a large percentage of people around me who share my values. Anyway, I'm just wondering what good neighborhoods would be in NYC for a Christian with traditional values. I don't mean to sound close-minded. I'm not. It's just that I was raised with certain values, wouldn't be able to shake them off now, so it would be really nice to be around a few others that shared my beliefs.:p

I started thinking about this yesterday when a liberal friend and I were in a debate. He said, "You are going to have such a culture shock when you encounter all those liberals in NYC." Now, I'm having second thoughts about even moving. I mean, part of the reason I want to go is to experience the Northern culture for a while, but I also can't leave me own fairly conservative beliefs behind.

Please tell me I won't be the only republican in NYC.:confused:


Honestly, you shouldn't bother moving here if you expect anyone to rally around your "beliefs." If you're looking for a group of cheerleaders to rally around what you already know, stick where you are. You're obviously much more closed-minded than you consider yourself to be, because the whole that's-the-way-I-was-raised BS just sounds like an excuse for narrow-minded thinking.

NYC isn't going to conform to you, so either prepare yourself or abandon ship. If you're taking a count, I vote for the latter option. If you can't tell the difference between believing as a Republican and being raised as a born-again Pentecostal, go back to square one and spare everyone but yourself and those who taught you. Children absorb their lessons; adults learn their lessons. You pick your option, JournalistJessica.

[JournalistJessica]

NYC is big enough that anyone can find friends with similar values here. ;)

Your current church might be able to recommend one in NYC. Or, you could turn to a free social networking site like Meetup.com, where people with like interests plan get-togethers. Just now I did a search for "Christian" on Meetup and found several active groups in town.

Thanks. That's a really good idea. I'll check it out!

[JournalistJessica]

Honestly, you shouldn't bother moving here if you expect anyone to rally around your "beliefs." If you're looking for a group of cheerleaders to rally around what you already know, stick where you are. You're obviously much more closed-minded than you consider yourself to be, because the whole that's-the-way-I-was-raised BS just sounds like an excuse for narrow-minded thinking.

NYC isn't going to conform to you, so either prepare yourself or abandon ship. If you're taking a count, I vote for the latter option. If you can't tell the difference between believing as a Republican and being raised as a born-again Pentecostal, go back to square one and spare everyone but yourself and those who taught you. Children absorb their lessons; adults learn their lessons. You pick your option, JournalistJessica.

Thanks for the reply. You certainly made me evaluate myself for a moment. First off, I am a born-again Pentecostal/non-denominational, and secondly, I am Republican. If this alone makes classifies me as being close-minded, then I guess I am. But I don't think it does. I keep my opinions to myself, unless anyone joins a friendly debate with me. In all truth, I much more likely to argue about religion than politics, as I do know my Bible, but am just beginning to understand the government (just started voting).

I embrace people of other cultures and value systems, but like people from other groups, I would just like to have some friends around me that share my own values (who doesn't?). Sorry if I didn't make it clear. I do not want to start a rally, and am not endowing myself with the responsibility of bringing Christianity to NYC.

Although there are things I love about the South (i.e. South Beach, fried foods, the way my accent fits in with everyone elses), the thing I am most looking forward to getting away from for a while is the segregation. The city where I live is greatly segregated and while I think this is somewhat unintentional, nevertheless there are entire sides of town encompassed by just blacks, and others by just whites. This has created a HUGE social gap here, and I believe it is definately one of the reasons why we have such a large murder rate. I definately want to get away from this for a while (if not forever. lol. ) I want to live in a city that is full of diversity. I just think I am getting cold feet, and am probably just over worried.

I googled some churches in the NYC area and came up with quite a few non-denominational ones.

[JournalistJessica]

No matter your denomination it is most likely that you will find a congregation to serve your needs. I suggest you try a google search. That could steer you in the direction where you're looking to go.

Thanks. I just did a search and found a number of churches that seem great!

[212]

Although there are things I love about the South (i.e. South Beach, fried foods, the way my accent fits in with everyone elses), the thing I am most looking forward to getting away from for a while is the segregation.


Jessica, have you seen WNY's South Beach thread? The very insightful ablarc narrates a tour:
http://www.wirednewyork.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11820


Anyway, if you love South Beach, I doubt you'll have a religious problem with NYC. Per capita, they sin more in South Beach than we do here.

[ablarc]

JournalistJessica, welcome to the forum. It’s obvious you’ll make great contributions; your mature, level-headed response to a bigoted attack is proof of that:

Thanks for the reply. You certainly made me evaluate myself for a moment. First off, I am a born-again Pentecostal/non-denominational, and secondly, I am Republican. If this alone makes classifies me as being close-minded, than I guess I am. But I don't think it does.
Nor do I. I’m sorry you got whacked.

Don’t think that’s typical of New Yorkers.

The rest of your post is equally wise, forgiving, open minded and grown up.

Go to it, girl; I’m sure you’ll be one of our most cherished contributors.

In my book you already are.

[ablarc]

I just think I am getting cold feet, and am probably just over worried.
Not a reason in the world for you to feel this way. You’re certain to make out OK. You've clearly got what it takes. In your heart.

He mocks proud mockers but gives grace to the humble.

[fishermb]

Jessica, have you seen WNY's South Beach thread? The very insightful ablarc narrates a tour:
http://www.wirednewyork.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11820


Anyway, if you love South Beach, I doubt you'll have a religious problem with NYC. Per capita, they sin more in South Beach than we do here.

As someone who grew up just outside of South Beach (man I'm missing my Miami right now), I think it would be impossible to enjoy SoBe culture and have a problem with NYC.

[JournalistJessica]

JournalistJessica, welcome to the forum. It’s obvious you’ll make great contributions; your mature, level-headed response to a bigoted attack is proof of that:


Nor do I. I’m sorry you got whacked.

Don’t think that’s typical of New Yorkers.

The rest of your post is equally wise, forgiving, open minded and grown up.

Go to it, girl; I’m sure you’ll be one of our most cherished contributors.

In my book you already are.

Thanks. I just have a problem with being over worrisome, especially about such a huge move. I've been completely on my own for a while now, but never really felt complete independence, nor fear of the unknown, as I attend college in the same city as I grew up in. But I figure life is about taking chances, and worst case scenerio, I'll just wind up back home. But best case scenerio, I will have a good job, a decent apartment (even if it is the size of a showbox and in Jersey), and a new start to my life.

By the way, I checked out those photos on the other thread. I planned to go to Miami Beach over Spring break, but have decided to X out weekend vacations for the next year in an effort to save cash.

[londonlady]

Hi I am graduating in May and really want to move to New York as I am sick of England!!! What kind of stuff do I have to do? I am completely clueless. I also don't have any idea about the cost of living and housing ect. I know it seems like a hug thing to ask but could a native new yorker answer my queries please?? Thank you!!

[ryan]

Great advice Ablarc, encouraging the Born-again Pentacostal girl to move to NYC. Her concerns were finding a community of people who shared her beliefs and being the only republican in NYC. I notice you didn't say anything about her actual concerns - you're just encouraging conflict. I'm sure that was fun for you, but she is an actual person asking for actual advice.

Jessica, you haven't said anything offensive, but you aren't going to find like-minded people in NYC - at least not easily, and certainly not in large numbers. Schadenfrau isn't going to be the last NYer to give you a hard time. Republicans I know keep quiet and almost seem ashamed of their beliefs. I have strong opinions and I like to talk about them - I wouldn't want to move to a place where I wouldn't find a lot of people to talk politics. If you're ok with that, go for it - just be prepared for culture shock and probably some feelings of isolation.

[Schadenfrau]

Ryan is correct in pointing out that JournalistJessica hasn't said anything offensive, but that's no reason to encourage her to move to a place where she's not likely to find much of anything she seems to be looking for.

Those non-denominational churches aren't likely to be home to many Republicans or born-agains. As someone who actually attends church in NYC, I can tell you that the churches here are generally reflective of the population as a whole, meaning that they have almost nothing in common with traditional, conservative churches. In other parts of the country, "non-denominational" is frequently interpreted as "born-again Pentecostal." In NYC, it generally means "so liberal they can't be a member of a larger church organization." You're way more likely to find an NYC church group protesting the RNC or the Iraq war than you are spotting them protesting an abortion clinic or gay marriage.

Also, the idea of finding a NYC neighborhood teeming with young, middle-class born-agains on fire for Christ is ludicrous. The only neighborhoods I can think of with large born-again populations are poor areas with majority Latino demographics, because that's who is born-again in this city, and I doubt that's what JournalistJessica has in mind.

NYC is alienating enough for anyone who has just moved here alone, but it's likely to be crushing if someone's moving here with the intention of finding a community of people with right-wing values and conservative Pentecostal beliefs. Ablarc can talk about feelings "in your heart" and otherwise, but it should probably be pointed out that he's posting that from the South, nowhere near the places he's referencing.

[Portia1776]

Hi everyone! I tried doing a search for this topic and didn't find results, so please forgive me if this is a redundant question. My husband and I are moving to Greenwich Village this August. One question I do have (I am sure I will have more as time gets closer and nerves kick in) but what banks are most prominent out there? Unfortunately the banks that we currently use are not in NY so we have to switch. What banks have the best access such as more ATMs and branches throughout the city (especially near the village).

I appreciate your help!

Thank you

[conezone]

I would consider telling someone not to move here because they are a Republican or born-again Pentecostal to be closed minded and amazingly self contradicting.

[JournalistJessica]

Great advice Ablarc, encouraging the Born-again Pentacostal girl to move to NYC. Her concerns were finding a community of people who shared her beliefs and being the only republican in NYC. I notice you didn't say anything about her actual concerns - you're just encouraging conflict. I'm sure that was fun for you, but she is an actual person asking for actual advice.

Jessica, you haven't said anything offensive, but you aren't going to find like-minded people in NYC - at least not easily, and certainly not in large numbers. Schadenfrau isn't going to be the last NYer to give you a hard time. Republicans I know keep quiet and almost seem ashamed of their beliefs. I have strong opinions and I like to talk about them - I wouldn't want to move to a place where I wouldn't find a lot of people to talk politics. If you're ok with that, go for it - just be prepared for culture shock and probably some feelings of isolation.

Yeah, I understand. I'm hoping to land a decent entry-level job with a newspaper. Since my ultimate goal is to be a journalist, not a politician, I have to accept the fact that I really can't be too flamboyant with my personal beliefs anyway, no matter where I live, and I'm okay with that. Even here and now, just writing for my college paper, I don't frequently discuss politics on campus because I don't want people to feel as though my news coverage is bias in any way.

[ThisIsntMyRealName]

I moved here from the South as well (I am not religious). Let me say, you're in for a culture shock. Some of the differences that I've noticed, being a journalist, youre going to be POOR, unless your family has got some serious cash. It just doesn't take much to live in an upper middle class neighborhood down south, around here, if you're planning on a family, you really have to be pulling down a lot of change, I would even go so far as to say $300K+ a year for a nice upper/middle class family area (Stamford, Greenwich, Summit, NJ, UES). Being poor, you'll have to live in a questionable area, and I mean some areas in this place would qualify as a real slum down south. This is based on appearances, prescence of housing projects, and so on. Crime happens, its easy to get ripped off. There are a lot of poor people here and a few superrich types. Another thing I've noticed, the people are way, way more openminded. Lets see, I've seen people humping each other on the subway, outside along the street as well. Get used to a lot of gays and a few transsexual types and less families. The people here are