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Asian-American
June 3rd, 2005, 06:10 AM
Greetings!

As an American-born Asian, I've noticed many double standards with regards to racism: certain behaviors that are considered racist when done by one group is considered morally okey, even desirable, when done by another:

What is Racism?

Everyone talks about "racism" but no one ever defines it. AR's assistant editor has given it a try.

By Thomas Jackson

There is surely no nation in the world that holds "racism" in greater horror than does the United States. Compared to other kinds of offenses, it is thought to be somehow more reprehensible. The press and public have become so used to tales of murder, rape, robbery, and arson, that any but the most spectacular crimes are shrugged off as part of the inevitable texture of American life. "Racism" is never shrugged off.

For example, when a white Georgetown Law School student reports that black students are less well qualified than white students, it sets off a booming, national controversy about "racism." If the student had merely murdered someone he would have attracted far less attention and criticism.

Racism is, indeed, the national obsession. Universities are on full alert for it, newspapers and politicians denounce it, churches preach against it, America is said to be racked with it, but just what is racism?

Dictionaries are not much help in understanding what is meant by the word. They usually define it as the belief that one's own ethnic stock is superior to others, or as the belief that culture and behavior are rooted in race. When Americans speak of racism they mean a great deal more than this.

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Complete article is at http://www.amren.com/917issue/9107issue.html#cover

Regards.

Ezra
June 3rd, 2005, 01:28 PM
Well i guess us white folk are just too daggum generous with our cultural identity i reckon... ;)

That article just seems like it was written by an overly sensitive white person offended by an unoriginal black stand-up comedian.

it also seems like complete B.S.

Asian-American
June 3rd, 2005, 10:23 PM
Well i guess us white folk are just too daggum generous with our cultural identity i reckon... ;)

That article just seems like it was written by an overly sensitive white person offended by an unoriginal black stand-up comedian.

it also seems like complete B.S.

A fascinating analysis of the dynamics of modern ethnocentrism. Thank you.

ZippyTheChimp
June 3rd, 2005, 10:46 PM
A fascinating analysis of the dynamics of modern ethnocentrism. Thank you.
And your User ID is...what?

Asian-American
June 3rd, 2005, 11:07 PM
And your User ID is...what?

I am an open-minded and purely objective Asian-American. So, I can look at things like the article I posted without taking it personally or getting offended.

ZippyTheChimp
June 3rd, 2005, 11:09 PM
That wasn't my point.

Asian-American
June 3rd, 2005, 11:21 PM
That wasn't my point.

What was it?

ZippyTheChimp
June 3rd, 2005, 11:34 PM
You come to a forum, choose an Id that identifies your ethnicity, and post one topic - on racism. I am guessing that you have been hippity-hopping all over the internet, posting the same thing in other forums.

You exhibit ethnocentrism, an overriding concern with race.

I'm not passing judgement on the trait, but you were the one who brought up the term in description of another.

The article, by the way, is simplistic and agenda driven.

Asian-American
June 4th, 2005, 12:01 AM
Okey, thanks.

thomasjfletcher
June 8th, 2005, 03:22 PM
racism is a problem in all of us though. I guess it's natural. I find myself horribly racist and I try constantly to work against my base thoughts and generalisations (to little avail).

Ninjahedge
June 9th, 2005, 09:39 AM
racism is a problem in all of us though. I guess it's natural. I find myself horribly racist and I try constantly to work against my base thoughts and generalisations (to little avail).

You damn afro-jew-polish-asian-hipppie.....what the hell are you?

You have to be at fault for something? ;)



The whole thing is ludicrous. The fact is that people keep trying to categorize people by race in order to delineate their general behavior and market groupings.

It may be true that there are more blacks that score poorly on standardized tests than whites (percentage wise) but that does not mean that BEING black is the reason for this.

Unfortunately, when you say "blacks scored lower" on something, most people cannot seperate that statement from their own categorization and lumping of all blacks into a somehow genetically inferior group.

If all these studies would just focus more on demographics rather than racial profiling, maybe we would get somewhere. Leave the racial categorization to genetic/hereditary maladies such as Sickle Cell and stop trying to say that being Asian means you will be better at math or being black means you can dance.

:P

Gregory Tenenbaum
July 16th, 2009, 10:05 AM
Here is a story about a recent incident Downtown which I find pretty disturbing.
(http://sleepny.lefora.com/2009/07/16/race-wars-downtown/page1/)
I find it incredible that people still describe themselves as Asian American, "Korean", "Japanese" or whatever. Does that make me "Indo European tribesman mixed in the 5000 BC waves of migration with last remnants of NW European Hunter Gatherer-Man American"? I dont think so.

Give me a break. Wouldnt it be better just to say "New Yorker" or "American"?

What is happening here?

OmegaNYC
July 16th, 2009, 10:42 AM
Racism is stupid. Nuff' said.

Ninjahedge
July 16th, 2009, 01:59 PM
Racism is stupid. Nuff' said.


Here's the barbed question though Omega.

I know which is morally worse, but which is dumber?

Being racist, or behaving like a racist stereotype?

When you dress like a "gangsta", how do you think people will react?

Now where that is turned into racism is unilateral association. I really don't like it when EVERY member of a race is relegated to the few that seek to ruin its name.

Dressing like a gangsta should get you treated like a criminal, but others of the same skin tone should not have to suffer the same treatment because of Mans associative memory.

Luca
July 17th, 2009, 09:28 AM
When you dress like a "gangsta", how do you think people will react?

Dressing like a gangsta should get you treated like a criminal...

Yeh... by the FASHION POLICE!! :D

There was a pciture in the local paper the other day of a local "yoof" all dolled up like he was some kinda "boy in da hood". He had rescued an old lady from a burning house.

How's about we treat people who commit CRIMES like criminals instead of people with dubious style sense.

On the identity thing: most forms in the UK that contain 'ethnic' info now have a number of categories including 'White British', 'Irish' and 'Other white'. I really don't understand why it's important for, say, my local doctor, to have that info...

infoshare
July 17th, 2009, 10:06 AM
Yeh... by the FASHION POLICE!! :D
On the identity thing: most forms in the UK that contain 'ethnic' info now have a number of categories including 'White British', 'Irish' and 'Other white'. I really don't understand why it's important for, say, my local doctor, to have that info...

I am home today nursing a number of small injuries: sprained wrist; also cuts and abrasions on my forehead, right hand, right elbow and left knee.

Two men (one waving a gun in my face) attempted to rob me yesterday near Broadway and 131st street; I saw them just standing on the street, and was a bit suspicious; but did not give it a second thought because they were "nicely dressed" in typical casual attire. Go figure.

I am currently working with detectives in the Harlem precint: we are scouting the area for two armed "nicely dressed" hispanic males. :confused:

cheers

Ninjahedge
July 17th, 2009, 03:35 PM
Yeh... by the FASHION POLICE!! :D

There was a pciture in the local paper the other day of a local "yoof" all dolled up like he was some kinda "boy in da hood". He had rescued an old lady from a burning house.

I bet he left the basket of kittens to die!!!!!!

Um, siting an exception to the rule does not prove anything Luca, you know that! ;)


How's about we treat people who commit CRIMES like criminals instead of people with dubious style sense.

How about YOU get mugged by someone and THEN say "gee, I should have seen that coming!!!"

THAT is the key, and that is what people are going by. When HUMAN BEINGS are taught to react by the way a person dresses and acts before they even meet them, why is it somehow wrong when someone decides to dress in that fasion to be treated as they are presenting themselves?

Why do you wear a suit to an interview? Why do you dress nicely on a first date (in most cases). Why do you not wear a tu-tu to a monster truck rally?

We dress to convey a message. If that message is "I am a tough guy", expecting to be treated differently at first interaction is just plain silly.

If you do not have any plans to deal with someone on a long term basis, and they fit what has been statistically enforced as a person MORE likely to commit crime (based, in my own judgement, attire and demeanor), then why should people get in arms when you cross to the other side of the street?

Now if you are GOING to be dealing with them. They are a relative, buisness connection, friends friend, then you need to suspend those first "survival" instincts and get to know the person. Most people do not do this second thing.....


On the identity thing: most forms in the UK that contain 'ethnic' info now have a number of categories including 'White British', 'Irish' and 'Other white'. I really don't understand why it's important for, say, my local doctor, to have that info...

I never liked putting down "white" on mine. Hell, I never liked putting down "male" for most. I know it is data mining and has nothing to do with my cell phone purchase or other things, but they still ask.

I don't want to have to give my home phone numner to the cashier at Radio Shack for buying batteries. :p

Ninjahedge
July 17th, 2009, 03:38 PM
I am home today nursing a number of small injuries: sprained wrist; also cuts and abrasions on my forehead, right hand, right elbow and left knee.

Two men (one waving a gun in my face) attempted to rob me yesterday near Broadway and 131st street; I saw them just standing on the street, and was a bit suspicious; but did not give it a second thought because they were "nicely dressed" in typical casual attire. Go figure.

I am currently working with detectives in the Harlem precint: we are scouting the area for two armed "nicely dressed" hispanic males. :confused:

cheers

Maybe they are getting smarter.

Just like the whole deal with soldiers in Port Authority. What use is wearing camoflage if you stick out like a sore thumb.

These crooks are wearing camo.


Look at it this way. They were probably NOt into it just for the "fun" if they were dressed nicely. They just wanted your money. There ARE groups that "rob" you that are only looking for someone to beat up. I have never heard of them accessorizing.




REALLY sorry to hear this IS.... Hope you feel well soon and catch these guys!

infoshare
July 17th, 2009, 06:24 PM
These crooks are wearing camo.
REALLY sorry to hear this IS.... Hope you feel well soon and catch these guys!

Thanks, now this (http://www.nypost.com/seven/07172009/news/regionalnews/manhattan/flat_tire_slay_179750.htm) is camo - the 'good sam' ruse. Oddly, this guy got attacked on the same day and also in harlem. Sad coincidence.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/07172009/news/regionalnews/manhattan/flat_tire_slay_179750.htm

correcton: the incident I was involved in took place at about 126th street; near Broadway. Not very far from the location where TLOZ was attacked.

Gregory Tenenbaum
July 20th, 2009, 03:26 PM
Infoshare, that corner looks deserted, overhead rail line, warehouse type buildings left and right, the park etc. Be careful man.

On the topic of the thread:

Read this (http://www.angryasianman.com/2009/07/asian-hottie-wanted-for-car-photo-shoot.html), I saw it here (http://fotopro.lefora.com/2009/07/20/this-guy-brings-new-meaning-to-the-word-ethnocentr/page1/) first (complete with Google Ad for "Find a Thai Beauty today")

Tell me Im crazy for not agreeing with this balkanizing nonsense.:confused:

The guy on the forum said its the Rise of the "Riceban".