View Full Version : Beautiful Boston

June 3rd, 2005, 06:16 PM
I moved to Boston back in January (for muzak school) and having lived in rural areas all of my life, I'm now situated halfway between Fenway Park and the Prudential Center, and my architectural mind has been blown. This is my first time posting images so I apologize if I screw up the linking.

Starting with the familiar, here's Mr. Hancock looking shiny
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Mr. Prudential and his plump three year old daughter, 111 Huntington Ave
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The formidable skyline...
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Old State House in front of a beautiful Darth Vader style box
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Quincy Market
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Kings Chapel at the end of Beacon Street (P.S. I LOVE sepia!)
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Christian Science Campus
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and the Mother Church
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Some quiet residential streets
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View from my apartment after a Red Sox game; Fenway is the source of the bright light in the distance
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And here's a few artsy-fartsies for ya
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If you like these, I have hundreds more to share.

June 3rd, 2005, 07:27 PM
One camera, a friend's, don't even know the brand, but it's a 3.2 MP. I'm saving up for the Sony CyberShot DCS-W7...it has nothing but great reviews so why not.
Oh and I'll get some more up once I have like another 2 hrs to do the whole damn process, thanks Law. Is it wise to post them in here, or clutter up the board with "part two, part three" type installments?

June 3rd, 2005, 07:34 PM
Oh, and what is up with those two pictures? The Campus shot didn't show from the beginning, there were two of them in my image folder, so I deleted one, now the shot of the church won't show. Oh well I'll just post them again and cross my fingers....

Christian Science Campus
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and the Mother Church
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June 3rd, 2005, 10:58 PM
Since you're using thumbs instead of full images, post them here.

Gotta be kind to the folks on dial-up.

June 4th, 2005, 04:16 PM
Since you're using thumbs instead of full images, post them here.

Gotta be kind to the folks on dial-up.

Gracias Zip, I cant stand to even see Ablarcs NYC II thread its so painfully slow! :-\

June 30th, 2005, 05:28 PM
Alright time to put some life back into this thread.

Welcome to Boston!
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Some semi-aerial shots...in this one it looks like Boston extends out forever
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That's my school (Berklee) in the center
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And now for something completely crazy, check this out -
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I call it Staple City since it's a fake city made of - you guessed it - staples. I start out by drawing a fake city grid (loosely based off a real city's) and then I pencil in buildings, starting from the mid 1800s working my way up to the present. Next comes time to actually start placing staples, and again I work up chronologically, watching the city grow. This one is based off of Buffalo - the open area is Niagara Square (city hall is discernible in the bottom right of the second picture), with the main clusters of towers lining Main Street. I don't make cities much since I don't use glue and as a result are very easy to be demolished by the slightest breeze or vibration, but when they're done it's freakin' awesome to have a physical city model to move all around and add or subtract whatever I want. Hooray for low tech toys!

June 30th, 2005, 11:10 PM
Correct, it's on the block somewhere between Exeter and Fairfield, across from Lord and Taylor.

July 1st, 2005, 01:44 PM
Ha...Dunkin Donuts as landmark. Good eyes, though.

July 8th, 2005, 05:14 PM
Boston is a beautiful city. I still take NYC over Boston anyday, but Boston is beautiful.

August 2nd, 2005, 06:56 AM
Gracias Zip, I cant stand to even see Ablarcs NYC II thread its so painfully slow! :-\
Fix a sandwich while it's opening.;)

August 2nd, 2005, 09:14 PM
Haha, You should see all the new stuff Ive got to come. I got my Ipod saturday, so I feel more like a New Yorker now than ever, haha.

August 4th, 2005, 10:17 AM
kz, are you on or near Hemenway? The photos are great. My son was in Boston two years ago and lived along the fenway. He walked into the sox games, around the third or fourth inning. Never paid. I lived in N.E. for five years. Nice experience, but I too prefer to explore NYC. Boston is a great "town." Easy-going, laid back compared to Manhattan. Now that I am back in PA, I thrive on Museum Mile.

August 10th, 2005, 10:01 AM
ameriKen, I live on Boylston Street in between Hemmenway and Mass Ave. It's practically in the center of everything I need to concern myself with - I love it. Although this big town may be a tad too compact for some, I like how many different feeling neighboorhoods I can access by walking a half hour in any direction. Is it possible to still get into Fenway halfway through the game for free? I'd gladly take up on that, even though I am a Yankees fan (some of my friends would probably shoot me for flirting with the enemy).

Law, the door sound's gotta be a sound effect, most likely used in hundreds of other TV shows and movies before and after it. Today still I'm noticing sound effects in random places that I recognize as being from the original Star Wars movie, and for all I know, they existed for years before that too.

Also, expect more photos some time sooooon.

August 10th, 2005, 10:54 AM
OK more photos!

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She's so purrrdy
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August 10th, 2005, 10:58 AM
So there's a 10 photo limit now (someone mentioned it before but I didn't pay that much attention)

Green Blue Red
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This is one of my personal favorites (!)
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August 10th, 2005, 10:59 AM
And the last mini-installment

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TLOZ Link5
September 14th, 2005, 10:20 PM
Exceptionally pretty. Boston's a great city; I see no reason why there has to be such an intense rivalry between Boston and New York. Outside of baseball, that is.

September 15th, 2005, 12:00 AM
Boston is a beautifull city... I haven't yet figure it out why I haven't been there yet. Almost all the the biggest Northeast cities I have visited.

I have been to Province Town, Masachusets though.

Anyway thanks for the photos!

September 15th, 2005, 10:08 AM
Outside of baseball, I never felt there was a rivalry. Maybe from Bostonians' perspective, but then lots of cities feel that way about New York.

If anything, I always thought of Boston as being one city to which New Yorkers actually show some respect. Maybe it's the similarities; liberal, historic, northeastern port cities; big sports towns; tough, streetfighting image and interchangeable mafia families; both have their own accents, subways, chowder....

At least that's my experience - whenever I have lived elsewhere it seems the northeasterners definitely gravitate toward each other, and despite the fact that they worship the f***ing Red Sux we all seem to "get" each other and get along the best. Love Boston, and yes, it's beautiful.

September 15th, 2005, 10:25 AM
Boston isn't a bad city at all. I've spent weekends there and had some good times. Like another poster said, there are a lot of similarities. I agree too, that the rivalry is more from a Boston persepective. I think it's envy more than anything.

But I prefer Philly to Boston hands down. I don't think Philly gets nearly the respect it deserves. I know we have another thread about Philly, but I feel that in the "cities of the northeast" discussion, it's always Boston/New York, and Philly doesn't get nearly the mention that it merits. It's got everything Boston has, only better. The ethnic enclaves, the diversity, architecture, it's becoming world class as far as dining, and it's history goes without saying. Couple all this up with a plummeting crime rate, the fact that real estate still hasn't shot throught the stratosphere yet, and you have a nice package; a livable city or a helluva nice place to spend a weekend.

September 15th, 2005, 11:25 AM
Being from New York City, I can independently say that Boston is incalcuably superior to Philly in every way, except for the colder climate.

- Far more prosperous.
- Much better, safer parks.
- Better sports teams and venues that are within walking distance from everything.
- Better neighborhoods.
- Infinitely better city to walk/bike about.
- Better nightlife.
- Much cleaner.
- Far less poverty/crime-stricken neighborhoods.
- The country's best colleges and universities.
- It's nowhere near Camden, NJ
- etc., etc.,

Philly has the potential to reach Boston's heights, but it will take a lot of improvement.

New York is still the Capital of the World and ranks significantly above even Boston. Needless to say, NYC towers over Philadelphia.

September 15th, 2005, 11:50 AM
In the spirit of debate, I'd like to address your points if I may:

- Far more prosperous.
Boston is more prosperous, true, but Philadelphia has shown marked improvement in this field. It's world class as far as medical and legal fields are concerned

- Much better, safer parks.

Fairmount Park is the biggest urban park in the US, it's become much safer than it was. Philly has squares that rival London's, the best of which is Rittenhouse Square.

- Better sports teams and venues that are within walking distance from everything.

Better sports teams is a cyclical thing, before last year the Red Sox hadn't won in 86 years and have been laughing stocks especially to us New Yorkers. Philly's sports fans are as avid as anyones, and they have two brand new stadiums with easy subway and highway access.
- Better neighborhoods.

Residents of Fishtown, Mount Airy, and Germantown, among others might disagree with you.
- Infinitely better city to walk/bike about.

A matter of opinion; Center City, Old City, Queen Village are all walkable. A stoll down South St is akin to a stroll in the West Village. Boston has no neighborhood comparable to this.
- Better nightlife.

Philly is improving here too, Northern Liberties is an example of a neighborhood like this. Both cities are "college towns" so bars are always going to abundant.
- Much cleaner.

No argument, but Philly is improving
- Far less poverty/crime-stricken neighborhoods.

See Above

- The country's best colleges and universities.

I think both Philly and New York can arguably take claim to this title.

- It's nowhere near Camden, NJ

Absolutely no argument here
- etc., etc.,

Just to be clear, I in no way compared Philly to New York, only to Boston. In my opinion, the two are very comparable. Thanks for your input though, I hope you'll take the time to consider mine.

September 15th, 2005, 12:03 PM
I like Philly too, but the points you addressed, redhot00, don't really show how Philadelphia is better. No doubt Philadelphia has shown lots of improvement, but that doesn't mean it's better. Certainly not "hands down". They are comparable in many ways, and both have pros and cons, but I think Boston is a cut above.

September 15th, 2005, 02:06 PM
Iīll take Philly over Boston any day. The funk factor.... Philly could produce the "Philly sound"....nothing like that will ever come out of Boston. Philly is not as polished or sophisticated as Boston or NYC, but itīs not hicksville either... and thatīs why I find it still interesting.

TLOZ Link5
September 15th, 2005, 02:46 PM
In recent years, however, murders in Boston have been fluctuating wildly since 1999. There have been some years where there's been almost 70, and other years where there are fewer than 40. Some have even speculated that the much-vaunted "Boston miracle" is over.

September 15th, 2005, 02:54 PM
I tell my friends from New England all the time that New York's crime rate is lower than Boston's and they don't believe me till I show them the numbers. They still have this bias against NY, and this false belief that it is more dangerous than their city when in fact the opposite is true

TLOZ Link5
September 15th, 2005, 02:57 PM
It's not like Boston is horribly dangerous. But I suppose that if a stereotype is that far ingrained in their systems, it's hard to convince certain people that it's really not as safe as they think.

At the same time, however, Boston is remarkably clean.

TLOZ Link5
September 15th, 2005, 06:04 PM
Old article, but it's still relevant.

New York Times

Killing of Girl, 10, and Increase in Homicides Challenge Boston's Crime-Fighting Model


BOSTON, July 12 — They called it the Boston miracle.

Using innovative strategies, law enforcement agencies here helped reduce homicides 80 percent from 1990 to 1999, the sharpest drop in the nation. For two and a half years in the late 90's, not a single juvenile was killed with a handgun.

The police and prosecutors from around the country flocked here to study the "Boston model," and it has been incorporated as a crucial component of President Bush's main crime-fighting strategy.

But in the last two years, the number of homicides has doubled, a trend accentuated by the death this month of a 10-year-old, Trina Persad, who was struck in the head with a shotgun blast in a park in Roxbury. The police say she was shot by gang members cruising in a car in search of rivals, the type of random killing the Boston model was supposed to prevent.

Trina's death and the sudden increase in homicides have raised an angry question: What went wrong with the vaunted approach to reducing crime?

Among law enforcement officials, politicians and experts on criminal justice, it is a risky issue, because the Boston model, emphasizing creative partnerships among agencies like the police force and probation agencies, offers a distinct contrast to the other most successful crime-fighting strategy of the 1990's, that of New York City.

The New York strategy, fostered by Police Commissioner William J. Bratton and Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani, was more aggressive, going after small quality-of-life crimes like panhandling and subway-turnstile jumping and holding police commanders responsible for reducing crime in their precincts.

To explain the homicide increase here, Police Commissioner Paul F. Evans and Mayor Thomas M. Menino point to trends outside their control like the downturn in the economy, meaning fewer jobs for young people; an increase in the number of inmates leaving jail and prison; and the growth of the teenage population.

But those factors exist in many other parts of the nation, and other officials and experts involved in creating the Boston strategy say the city may have become complacent, a victim of its success.

In part, said Donald K. Stern, who as United States attorney in Boston in the Clinton administration helped develop the Boston plan, "the numbers were pushed down so low they eventually had to go up."

Homicides fell, to 31 in 1999, from a high of 152 in 1990, at the height of the epidemic of crack cocaine, gangs and handguns.

Last year, the number of homicides jumped, to 66. This year, through July 10, the number is 29, identical to the total for the same period last year, according to the Boston police.

"We also have to be honest and admit that some of the missionary zeal of the original players was hard to sustain with the success we achieved," said Mr. Stern, now a lawyer with Bingham McCutchen here. "The people coming later may not feel the urgency in their bones as much."

That is particularly true for a critical part of the plan known as Operation Cease-Fire, Mr. Stern said. Cease-Fire involved calling in young men with criminal records for meetings with unusual teams of law enforcement officers, including representatives from the police, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the Drug Enforcement Administration and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, as well as the United States attorney's office and the district attorney's office.

The men, often gang members or suspected drug or gun dealers, were warned that they were being watched and were told they would face serious prison time if they committed violent crimes with guns. In one publicized incident, a gang member with a felony conviction who ignored his warning was given a 10-year federal prison sentence for possession of a single bullet. It is a federal crime for a convicted felon to possess a gun.

"Part of the secret of Cease-Fire was that you have to follow up," Mr. Stern said. "You have to keep warning people, and if they commit more violence, you have to get them and give them long sentences to make an example of them."

One problem is that teenagers now have no memory of how tough Operation Cease-Fire was at its inception, Mr. Stern said, and they have no friends who were sent to prison as a result.

There is also a question about how effective the warnings have become. One of the two men arrested in the shooting of Trina Persad, Marquis Nelson, 23, was released from the Suffolk County prison in April after six months in custody for the illegal possession of a firearm.

Before his release, Mr. Nelson was warned by a team of law enforcement officers working in the prison as an offshoot of Operation Cease-Fire. A Cease-Fire team warned Mr. Nelson again six weeks before the shooting, Commissioner Evans said.

Asked about Mr. Nelson's case, Mr. Evans said, "There is no 100 percent guarantee that the warnings will work."

David Kennedy, a lecturer at the Kennedy School of Government at Harvard who helped formulate the Boston plan, said the answer was that the Cease-Fire program had lost its way. "As it existed in 1996 or 1997, Cease-Fire is entirely gone," Mr. Kennedy said.

Instead of focusing on the most dangerous suspects, the warnings have been watered down and are being given indiscriminately to large groups like schools, Mr. Kennedy said, "like old-fashioned police work."

Mr. Evans strongly denied that.

Mr. Kennedy said he had been told that his participation was no longer welcome, as a result of envy by some law enforcement officers who wanted to claim credit for Boston's success.

Mr. Evans said the finger-pointing missed the larger point. Overall violent crime here is at its lowest level since 1971, and even the 66 homicides last year were fewer than in any year in the 70's or 80's.

"The Boston model still works," Mr. Evans said. "We just have to keep tweaking it."

Copyright 2005 The New York Times

TLOZ Link5
September 15th, 2005, 06:07 PM
And more recently...

New York Times

Triple Murder in Boston Points to Unsettling Rise in Homicides
by Fox Butterfield
October 12, 2004

BOSTON, Oct. 11 -- It was Boston's first triple homicide in a decade --three young men shot to death as they sat in a parked van near a housing project in the city's Dorchester section.

In a city that prides itself on the "Boston miracle," a drastic reduction in homicides since 1990, that shocking incident last month has driven home an unsettling statistic: killings have suddenly begun to climb. So far this year, there have been 53 homicides in Boston, well ahead of the 39 total for all of last year. The high-water mark was 152 in 1990.

An informal survey of police departments in 25 large cities shows some other trouble spots. Homicides have jumped this year in 10 cities, including Boston, Denver, Detroit and Los Angeles, particularly killings by young people.

Even some cities whose murder rates are holding steady belie an underlying youth surge. So far this year, 21 juveniles have been killed in Washington, up from 12 for all of 2003. (Washington's overall homicide rate is on track to be its lowest in two decades, said Charles Ramsey, the police chief.)

Though the number of homicides has held relatively steady across the nation as a whole for the last several years, law enforcement officials and academic criminologists worry that these patches of youth violence hint of something not seen since the crack cocaine epidemic in the late 1980's and early 1990's.

"I am concerned that we are going to see a major increase in youth homicides," said Delbert Elliott, director of the Center for the Study and Prevention of Violence at the University of Colorado.

While reasons for the uptick are varied and some city officials seem hard-pressed to offer simple explanations, there are several likely contributing factors, including a growing youth population, shifts in police efforts and cutbacks in spending for after-school programs, as well as the persistence of gang activity.

Professor Elliott said the police in many cities succeeded in getting guns out of the hands of many young people, leading to the decline in homicides over the last decade, but not in changing other teenage behavior. Now, police may be shifting their attention to other areas, he suggests, setting the stage for more shootings.

An annual survey of high school seniors known as Monitoring the Future, done for the Federal government by the University of Michigan, found that these teenagers reported carrying out the same number of assaults and robberies throughout most of the 1990's.

James Alan Fox, a professor of criminal justice at Northeastern University here, said the Bush administration had cut Federal money for programs that helped reduce youth violence, including after-school programs for poor and minority students, and reduced spending for the Clinton administration's effort that put more than 100,000 new police on the streets.

Census Bureau data show that the number of men between 18 and 24, those most likely to commit violence, began increasing in the year 2000 by 1 percent a year nationwide, while the number of black men in the same age group started to rise 2 percent a year.

In Boston, the juvenile population has soared 20 percent in the last five years, said Kathleen M. O'Toole, the police commissioner.

The sample of homicides in 25 cities is far from definitive. The national homicide rate for 2004 will not be released by the Federal Bureau of Investigation until next fall as part of its final Uniform Crime Report.

A few cities said they were continuing decade long declines in murder, notably New York and Chicago. And some cities, including Seattle and San Diego, said they had seen little change from last year.

In New York City, homicides were down nearly 10 percent for the year through September from the comparable period in 2003, Police Commissioner Raymond W. Kelly said. Despite a police force that has shrunk by 5,000 officers over the last five years, Mr. Kelly said, the city has instituted a program that teams up police recruits with veteran officers and puts them in crime hotspots.

But in Denver the number of homicides this year has already surpassed its total for 2003. Murders are up almost 10 percent in Detroit. And in Los Angeles, where William J. Bratton, the police chief, had pledged to bring homicides down by 20 percent this year, after a heartening 22 percent drop last year, they have actually risen 3 percent.

Detective John White, a spokesman for the Denver police department, said that an increase in gang-related homicides could be partly responsible, along with a cutback in police officers because of budget problems. But Detective White said, "I'm not sure you can point your finger at any one reason."

In Los Angeles, Chief Bratton said, deeply entrenched street gangs are his top problem, accounting for two-thirds of all homicides there in the last year. He has brought CompStat, the computer- and statistics-driven system to hold police commanders responsible for crime in their districts, from his previous post in New York to Los Angeles. He has also flooded gang spots in South Los Angeles with extra officers, as he did with trouble spots in New York.

The gang problem may be increasing. From 1999 to 2002, street gang homicides rose 50 percent nationwide, Professor Fox found, even as other killings declined.

Detroit's spike in murders seems to evade easy explanations. James Tate, a police spokesman, said, "We are just trying to figure out what the heck is going on."

The city's 10 percent increase in homicides this year follows 361 murders in 2003, the lowest total since 1967. Mr. Tate suggested the jump may be connected to more drug-related disputes, job losses in Detroit or what the police call "hip hop" killings in which young people fire their weapons wildly till empty.

The increase in youth shootings is all too familiar to Will Dunn, a street worker at the Ella J. Baker House in Boston, which works with some of the city's poorest youths. Mr. Dunn, 29, grew up as a gang member not far from where the still unsolved triple homicide took place last month. The shooting is believed to have been part of a feud between two local youth gangs.

"I see the kids doing the same stuff today as we used to," said Mr. Dunn, who spent five years in prison first awaiting trial on murder charges and later on a conviction for possessing the murder weapon. "If you ain't got no parents and you ain't going to school, all it takes is for some older person to show you the wrong things to get into."

The Rev. Eugene F. Rivers III, president of Baker House and president of the National Ten Point Coalition, a group of ministers, said he had heard that many released inmates were getting into the gun-running business, driving to places like Alabama with lax gun control laws and bringing back semiautomatic guns to sell to juveniles.

In the early 1990's, Boston developed a program to stop the flow of illegal guns to young people, combining the resources of the Boston police, the F.B.I., the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms and the United States attorney's office. The number of guns recovered by the Boston police did fall to 741 last year, well below the 1,851 recovered in 1994. But it is unclear whether this was because of less activity by law enforcement or because there were fewer guns on the streets.

Ms. O'Toole, the Boston police commissioner, has recreated the coalition as Operation Neighborhood Shield. Now, every evening, the trouble spots in Roxbury and Dorchester are brimming with cruisers, each carrying two local police officers and two Federal law enforcement officers, Ms. O'Toole said. No one has been killed here in almost two weeks.

Copyright 2005 The New York Times

TLOZ Link5
September 15th, 2005, 06:10 PM

September 15th, 2005, 06:40 PM
A positive trend for Philadelphia


TLOZ Link5
September 15th, 2005, 08:53 PM
Compared to last year...

Murders in Philly are still down by 30%.


Select County: Philadelphia; Jurisdiction: Philadelphia City; year: 2005; click YTD (Year To Date)

Meanwhile, murders in Boston are up by 4% (i.e.: one murder) as of June compared to 2004, but up by 53% compared to 2003.


Murders in New York are down by 5.7%, though earlier in the year they were down by as much as 16%. It was a rough summer, but the total for the year is still down.


And murders in DC are down by 2.9%.

http://www.mpdc.dc.gov/mpdc/cwp/view,a,1239,q,543308,mpdcNav_GID,1523,mpdcNav,|.as p

TLOZ Link5
September 15th, 2005, 09:57 PM
With all of this information you must consider the populationand size of the cities. Per capita.

New York: 8.1 million
Boston: 580,000
Philadelphia: 1.47 million
Washington DC: 550,000

Last year, New York had 572 murders, so that's a murder rate per 100,000 of (572/81 = ) right around seven.

Boston had 55 murders, so that city's murder rate is around (55/5.8 = ) 9.5.

Philly had 330 murders, so its murder rate is (330/15 = ) just about 22.

And DC had 198 murders, so that's a rate of (198/5.5 = ) 36. (New York's record high murder rate in 1990, by comparison, was 30.66)

September 15th, 2005, 11:24 PM
So the murder rate in Boston is up 4%, but what is more important is that the lead in the AL East is down 40%.

September 15th, 2005, 11:51 PM
~}8? ('3

September 16th, 2005, 11:53 AM
You make good points and I'm happy to hear Philly is improving... there is definitely a lot to like about Philly and its future looks promising. The skyline will be great (better than Boston's) when the Comcast Center is finished.

I'm not trying to rip on Philly, but in the last ten-twelves years, while Boston, NYC, San Fran, Miami, D.C., and Chicago have been flourishing, Philly has been... languishing.

Now things are starting to turn around for Philly, but it has a decade of improvements to make before it reaches Boston... still, if I had the cash I would invest in real estate in Philadelphia. Boston and New York are too inflated right now, and Philly seems a bargain in comparison.

September 24th, 2005, 06:38 PM
In defense of Philadelphia I would have to ask, what the hell does Camden have to do with the city of Philly? Once you cross that bridge its a whole different ballgame. Its the year 2005, its time to forget about the 90's.
Before philly, Ive lived in Boston for 12 years and I have to say that there is no place more snobby and provincial as that place. I hated it! Sure its beautiful but thats about it.Boston is a little munchkin compared to philly. Philadelphia has distressed areas I cant argue there, but it has neighborhoods that blow most places away.Its is also a very large city that takes up a very large area so even the distressed places are limited.I also like the people of Philly.I find them to be down to earth which is unusual because its in the northeast. Philadelphia is a city that has to grow on you albeit there are some people who love it at first sight.I know I did.
Center city is booming like no other and all of the development is flowing into North philly. University city is booming ....every place I can think of. I frikkin love this place!
It also doesnt surprise me that most people from New York know nothing about this fair city because theyre so damn closeminded. Do us all a favor and leave that wonderful place of yours and check out different places. Stop relying on the NYtimes because 90% of the time, its articles are skewed and send the wrong messages.Check out the city of philly. I think youll be pleaseantly suprised. Well... you may or may not be. but give it a try anyway.
I appreciate you Redhot00 for showing to these naysayers that philly is not a shithole and that it deserved at least a little respect for being the birthplace of this country.

TLOZ Link5
September 24th, 2005, 10:28 PM
Rita, relax. Most of the people on this forum have nothing but good things to say about Philly. Very few people here, if any, would unequivocally bash it. There's no need to get so defensive.

September 24th, 2005, 10:45 PM
Whoa, my thread came back to life ten days ago and I just found out now (shows how much attention even I've been giving it). However, I see it's been reincarnated as a good ol' SSP city vs. city fight to the death. Sometime soon I'll do my part to get this thread back on track with some fresh pics.

Edit: as for the fight, I'll say I'm pretty sure I'm in love with Boston, but it's almost wierd how clean most places are, compared to just about every other city I've been to. At times things almost feel too clean. The other day I commented to myself while walking through the South End how I wish there was a dirty, frightening alley to go explore, since every one I see looks incredibly tidy and safe. To most this is a good thing, but in the mind it doesn't inspire the imagination as much.
To me, Philly, as Fabrizio brought up, has that gritty funky side to it that can be seen in its people and places. The three times I've been there it has always struck me the right way. This rings especially true right now considering Grover Washington Jr.'s masterpiece "Winelight" has been my favorite album as of late.

September 25th, 2005, 01:24 PM
Rita, relax. Most of the people on this forum have nothing but good things to say about Philly. Very few people here, if any, would unequivocally bash it. There's no need to get so defensive.
Some of the comments I read on here wouldnt exactly qualify as good.

September 25th, 2005, 02:58 PM
So, it's necessary that all comments about Philly be positive, or the tone is bashing?

Your first comment was in defense of Philadelphia, but I doesn't appear to me that the city was being prosecuted. A read of this thread will show pro and con opinions of both Boston and Philadelphia.

One of the nastier comments about ethier city was made by you:

Ive lived in Boston for 12 years and I have to say that there is no place more snobby and provincial as that place. I hated it! Sure its beautiful but thats about it.Boston is a little munchkin compared to philly
TLOZ was correct when he advised you to lighten up, and not be so defensive.

September 25th, 2005, 03:16 PM
Ok let me clear this up. There was a lot of blanket statements. Thats qualifies as bashing to me.

September 27th, 2005, 10:36 AM
There also is this thread: New Yorkers' opinions of Philadelphia (http://www.wirednewyork.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5475&page=1).

October 7th, 2005, 01:18 PM
I have a couple of photos of Beantown (my hometown) on my site:

The first is looking toward Boston from Hull Gut at sunset. The second is in the "flats" of Beacon Hill, one of my favorite parts of Boston.



TLOZ Link5
October 7th, 2005, 01:29 PM

October 18th, 2005, 02:26 AM
Can't get enough...

now just what city is this?
http://img382.imageshack.us/img382/6083/dscf00639dp.th.jpg (http://img382.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dscf00639dp.jpg)

..oh ok.
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http://img357.imageshack.us/img357/5845/dscf00485ix.th.jpg (http://img357.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dscf00485ix.jpg)

A memory of last week's weather...
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October 18th, 2005, 02:35 AM
Some of Cambridge--

http://img357.imageshack.us/img357/6370/dscf00348ou.th.jpg (http://img357.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dscf00348ou.jpg)

http://img357.imageshack.us/img357/8407/dscf00363qy.th.jpg (http://img357.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dscf00363qy.jpg)

http://img357.imageshack.us/img357/3441/dscf00294ce.th.jpg (http://img357.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dscf00294ce.jpg)

http://img357.imageshack.us/img357/8180/dscf00220bp.th.jpg (http://img357.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dscf00220bp.jpg)

Umm....oh! I get it, this is a joke. The red is FUNNY
http://img357.imageshack.us/img357/5379/dscf00573ez.th.jpg (http://img357.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dscf00573ez.jpg)

Another hilarious joke
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October 18th, 2005, 02:45 AM
Almost done--

wow, Mr. Hancock is in a pissy mood
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http://img382.imageshack.us/img382/8673/dscf00703hx.th.jpg (http://img382.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dscf00703hx.jpg)

a Sign of the Times
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Equally breathtaking
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OK, I'm done for now.

October 21st, 2005, 09:27 PM
Nice. Thanks. Love the arch in the second-to-last picture.

Jim Koeleman
November 11th, 2005, 05:23 PM

TLOZ Link5
December 7th, 2005, 08:12 PM
Boston's pastoral image shot down

WITH its leafy streets, red-brick buildings and old-world architectural charm, Boston's tranquil appearance belies its new status as one of America's violent crime hotspots.

But with murders at a ten-year high and gun seizures and shootings both up by a third in 12 months, city officials are launching a clean-up campaign aimed at ending a "culture of indifference and intimidation".

Suspects have yet to be identified or arrested in 70 per cent of the 66 homicides this year and police believe fear of intimidation has stopped many witnesses coming forward.

The first step in the campaign has been taken: ordering a local shop owner not to sell T-shirts with the slogan "Stop Snitching" printed on them.

"It's the right thing to do," admitted the shop's owner, Antonio Ennis, after a meeting with Boston's mayor, Thomas Menino, who claimed that the shirts carry too menacing a message.

After 66 murders this year, the city's police chiefs and religious leaders have also welcomed the clampdown on the T-shirts sales, which reached 400 a month. Not everyone is happy with the mayor's move, however, and the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) has branded it a restriction on free speech.

"It's a form of official censorship inconsistent with the constitutional guarantees of freedom of expression," said John Reinstein, the legal director for the ACLU of Massachusetts.

Yet Mr Menino, backed by church leaders, has vowed to press on with the campaign to persuade other retailers to follow suit. "Teams of clergy will visit the vendors who are selling those shirts," he said. "We will have a private-sector campaign trying alternative language to 'Stop Snitching'."

Critics say that the mayor has been losing the battle against gun culture and gang violence since 1999, when 31 murders were recorded in the city.

Of this year's killings, 42 have not yielded a suspect and although Boston's murder rate is relatively low compared with other US cities, the high number of unsolved crimes is the biggest cause for concern.

Police commissioner Kathleen O'Toole said she needed a bigger budget to reinforce her force of 1,300 officers, down 200 on five years ago. In four of the past five years, at least 60 people have been killed in a city with a population of 570,000.

The latest two shooting deaths last week, both 17-year-olds in separate incidents, prompted Mr Menino to call an emergency meeting of law enforcement and civic leaders to try to forge an effective strategy to deal with the crisis. Police launched citywide sweeps over the weekend that resulted in the arrest of 31 suspects wanted for violence or gun crimes.

One of those detained was a 15-year-old youth caught firing random shots at people at a bus stop.

Other measures will involve police working more closely with local residents to identify the ten "worst" streets in the city and improve community relations to try to prevent future incidents.

"There's so many guns out there. It's so frustrating," Mr Menino said.

But he insisted that it was still a safe city for the vast majority of its citizens and visitors.

"This isn't the Wild West," the mayor said. "This is the city of Boston."

This article: http://news.scotsman.com/international.cfm?id=2350902005

Last updated: 05-Dec-05 01:38 GMT

December 7th, 2005, 11:49 PM
Interesting, the word is getting out. Less than a month ago the headlines were all about the rise in crimes, specifically the amount of incidents involving guns, not just homicides. Personally, I feel fine about my area, but I live in the Back Bay (near the Hynes/ICA stop), not exactly the place where crime will thrive - not yet at least. However, it must be said that in the course of a typical day, I see maybe one Boston Police car, but at least three Prudential Security vehicles even though I'm three long blocks from the complex, and several friends have mentioned how the po-po really are nowhere to be seen. I understand that between the eyes on the street and gentrification that there isn't as strong of a need for them, but when you see next to no patrol cars and absolutely no cops on foot (other than around downtown crossing and the expected areas), your confidence does eventually get undermined a bit.

December 14th, 2005, 05:49 PM
Really nice pics of boston....

I've never been to boston, but i will be there, sometime! LOL :D

January 28th, 2006, 12:39 AM
Ha...Dunkin Donuts as landmark. Good eyes, though.

Yes I noticed that too! I went to Berklee my first year of school. I miss Boston. I lived at 270 Commonwealth and went to Store 24 and CVS all the time.

Do you have any pics at night?

January 30th, 2006, 11:36 AM
Well, I'm not sure if I made it clear before, but I'm at Berklee for drum set currently. I live in between good ol' Costello's Liquors and Jack's Drum Shop on Boylston (convenience at it's finest right there...).

I think your stomping grounds are a bit different from mine, as I frequent the store 24 across from Berklee and the CVS down by the Christian Science Center rather than the ones on Newbury, a street I avoid for the exact same reasons why I avoid Times Square - too many tourists clogging the sidewalks.

And having looked through my stash, I don't have many pictures at nighttime (of your area), primarily because I don't own a tripod, and those I do take are through the aid of some immovable object that happens to allow a good angle. But I will go out, perhaps tonight if I'm not too tired.

Regardless, I think it about time I throw another set of photos up here soon.

February 7th, 2006, 03:31 PM
Regarding the Boston-New York rivalry: I don't think there really is one aside from Red Sox-Yankees. Everyone who I know absolutely loves NYC and tries to go there as much as possible.

The crime is definitely something that Boston needs to work on. The crime is very highly concentrated to a few parts of the city.

Very nice pics btw