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Law & Order
June 30th, 2005, 05:11 PM
What type of cameras do you use? Are they any good, and how much did they cost?

June 30th, 2005, 05:30 PM
Canon. B&H.

June 30th, 2005, 07:51 PM
I use a Sony Cybershot, it does alright, Its just a 5MP.

Jimbo Holland
July 1st, 2005, 04:59 PM
i use always my Olympus D560, 3.2 mp, it was 230 euro, so 200 dollar. i want now a canon d300

July 1st, 2005, 08:17 PM
I used Canon Power Shot S60

July 2nd, 2005, 12:27 AM
I use an Olympus D-565 (4MP) and in accordance with night photography I use a Digital Concepts tripod. Both work well, although not exceptionally, for my purposes they work so well that I do not see myself updating for years to come. I bought my camera several years ago, I think for $300 and a printer was included with it. Today you should be able to get the same or comprable camera for much less. Here’s some recent photos I took with my baby, I don’t photograph as much as I used to when I had a website to put them, I lost my dream weaver when my old computer crashed.

http://img65.imageshack.us/img65/8141/bloomberg1vf.th.jpg (http://img65.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bloomberg1vf.jpg)

http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/1286/carnegie27ns.th.jpg (http://img136.imageshack.us/my.php?image=carnegie27ns.jpg)

July 2nd, 2005, 02:44 AM
2.0 MP FujiFilm something. I don't really pay much attention to it. I might be getting a 3.2 MP soon.

July 3rd, 2005, 05:51 PM
Nikon D70 (6.1 MP) with 18-70mm and 70-300mm lenses. It just had it's first test during a trip to Paris a couple of weeks ago, the real test will be in about 4 weeks, in NYC :)

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July 4th, 2005, 06:29 PM
Maybe I'll change my stance on not updating for years to come.

July 20th, 2005, 09:36 PM
Are there any good places to buy good cameras, well they dont have to be that good, in Manhattan for under $200.00? Film or Digital. The camera I have now is alright. You can't attach zoom lenses, it can't zoom in, the pictures it takes makes everything look much farther, so it is hard to see detail sometimes. Its not just the camera, I need good film.

Are there any good film brands that anyone knows that take good pictures? Does anyone know a good spot to develop alot of film in Manhattan, for a good price? Or are the Wallgreens and places like that actually good. Which I doubt.

I thought you didn't live in Manhattan? So why buy in Manhattan? It will be cheaper to buy elsewhere.

July 20th, 2005, 10:11 PM
I dont, when I am there, I plan to take alot of pictures.

Good. But if you're looking to purchase a camera you'll probably find a cheaper one outside Manhattan. And NEVER EVER buy one from the small camera shops you see all over TXSQ and Manhattan.

July 20th, 2005, 10:59 PM
Nobody is cheaper or more reputable than B&H.

In --- Manhattan.

That's what they say. I've been to B&H and you can get better deals in the burbs.

July 21st, 2005, 08:37 AM

All depends on what burb you are in and what shop.

You can also get them MUCH cheaper online, but you have to be more careful about Grey Market or Foreign products (japanese manual anyone?)

July 21st, 2005, 01:38 PM
Any suggestions online, or in Manhattan?


3 sites that will help you:

www.pricegrabber.com - A price listing and so-so rating place.
www.resellerratings.com - A "store" ratings place. Check the store you may be buying from.
www.dpreview.com - Excelent camera review site.

There are also sites like:


For deals and coupons and the like.

September 5th, 2005, 07:12 PM
I use Canon D20

Gregory Tenenbaum
September 26th, 2005, 09:19 AM
Here's my perennial fav-rit which I pull out at my family weddings and what not.


It's canomatic. Very frikkin important.

September 28th, 2005, 12:48 PM
I use a Minolta Dimage X. It's about 3 years old and cost about $400. It has a digital zoom which really drains the rechargeable battery. It takes really burnt-out images of buildings.


sample image taken.

What I want is a camera that takes good pictures of buildings (bot with burnt skies), with an optical (non-digital) zoom so that I can use it without depleting my battery.

Perhaps the Olympus D-565?

Supercool Dude
September 30th, 2005, 09:36 PM
My Dad found a Kodak DC210 CCD digital camera back in 1995, but I never got it to download to PC.

The CCD chips are the same used on Mars Pathfinder/Sojourner Truth.

I also have a 1998 Panasonic Palmcorder VHS-C with CCD's.

November 10th, 2005, 08:16 AM
Nikon releases new DSLR...D200

I checked out a Nikon D2X some time ago, just to see what it was like. The best DSLR I ever had my hands on, but too big, too expensive, and too heavy (twice the weight of my D70) for my uses.

What brings prices down is the narrow price difference between two models. The gap between the D70 and D2X is so large that very few potential D70 buyers would consider "might as well step up to the better model," and those in the market for a pro D2X would never consider a D70.

The D200 splits the gap nicely. Magnesium body. I don'tknow why the flash sync is only 1/250,half my D70.

Hopefully, as they enter the market, prices will start to drop.


Jim Koeleman
November 11th, 2005, 10:48 AM

December 8th, 2005, 07:47 AM
December 8, 2005
David Pogue
A Camera That Has It All? Well, Almost

AT a recent technology conference, an executive from an electronics company was waxing snarky about her rivals. "And then there's Sony (http://www.nytimes.com/redirect/marketwatch/redirect.ctx?MW=http://custom.marketwatch.com/custom/nyt-com/html-companyprofile.asp&symb=SNE)," she said in a conversation cluster between seminars. "Their approach is to bring to market every product they dream up and see what sticks."

That's supposed to be an insult? Some people might call Sony's approach a key to innovation - and a strategy far more likely to advance the industry than Ms. Snarky's.

This month, for example, Sony has begun shipping a $1,000 digital camera, the R1, that shatters a longstanding law of digital photography. Understanding its significance requires reading four of the techiest paragraphs you'll read all day, but it's worth the slog.

Until the R1 came along, digital cameras fell into two categories: compacts and digital S.L.R. (single-lens-reflex) models. Compacts are wonderful because they're cheap, convenient and pocketable. But digital S.L.R.'s, like the Canon Digital Rebel and the Nikon (http://www.nytimes.com/redirect/marketwatch/redirect.ctx?MW=http://custom.marketwatch.com/custom/nyt-com/html-companyprofile.asp&symb=NINOY) D50, take far superior pictures. The light sensor inside these bulkier models is gigantic - 10 times the size of a typical compact's sensors, for 10 times the light sensitivity. You get sharper detail, more accurate color and less grainy shots in low light.

Unfortunately, that design also deprives you of a great joy and advantage of digital photography: framing your shots using the camera's screen. On a compact camera, this screen essentially displays the photo before you snap it. But on a digital S.L.R., you must hoist the camera up to your eye and peep through the little optical viewfinder. The screen remains dark while you're taking pictures. (In fact, you don't even use the screen except when playing back photos.)

NOW, before the letter-writing campaign begins, it's important to acknowledge that many photographers actually prefer composing shots using the optical viewfinder. After all, pure glass offers a clearer view of the subject than any L.C.D. screen alive.

But there are certain digital shutterbugs who have wondered about this law of digital photography. Why can't a camera with a big sensor also offer a live preview screen?

That mammoth sensor is to blame. To supply a live video preview to the screen, the sensor would have to be turned on full time, wolfing down battery power, heating the camera interior and demanding high-horsepower circuitry.

"But we're the world's largest electronics company - heck, we design sensors for some of our rivals," Sony must have said. "Surely we can find a solution to this problem."

And Sony did. It redesigned the sensor from scratch, with power and heat considerations at the top of the priority list. This new component can remain powered up full time without ruining your day, because it consumes only one-tenth the electricity that would be required by a standard sensor at that size.

The resulting camera, the R1, is a hybrid. Like a compact, its screen remains live while you're shooting. But like an S.L.R., it has a huge sensor inside, 21.5 x 14.4 mm. (For those scoring at home, a typical compact-camera sensor measures 5.7 by 4.2 mm.) The R1 captures 10.3-megapixel photos, easily good enough for poster-size prints at high resolution.

The photos are spectacular. As you can see (http://javascript<b></b>:pop_me_up2('http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2005/12/07/technology/20051208_POGUE_SLIDESHOW_index.html',%20'750_630', %20'width=750,height=630,location=no,scrollbars=ye s,toolbars=no,resizable=yes')) from the samples, the detail and color are breathtaking. You can easily pull off that professionals' trick of blurring the background (or foreground) while keeping the subject in sharp focus, something that's difficult to do with compact cameras. And except in low light, this camera is free of shutter lag, the annoying delay between the press of the shutter button and the snap of the picture.

Now that you've practically earned a Ph.D. in camera design, you're ready to read about the next breakthrough: on a true S.L.R., peering through the viewfinder actually lets you see out through the lens, thanks to a mirror-and-prism contraption inside. When you take the photo, the mirror flips out of the way momentarily so that the light hits the sensor instead of your eye.

But R1's screen always shows you what the lens is seeing - in fact, its display even incorporates the exposure, white balance and other characteristics of the finished photo - so none of that apparatus is necessary. By eliminating the mirror and prism, Sony was able to slide the lens barrel inward to within two millimeters of the light sensor.

Why do you care? Because this positioning grants you a wider-angle slice of the horizon when you're zoomed out. The R1 offers something that's never before been possible on a large-sensor camera: a wide-angle (24-mm) equivalent on the basic lens, capable of recording bigger family groupings, wider room interiors or more of the Grand Canyon. Yet without switching lenses, the R1 also zooms in 5X (a 120-mm equivalent). Unlike the focal-length measurements of other digitals, these are true 35-mm camera equivalents that don't have to be multiplied by, say, 1.5.

True to its S.L.R. heritage, the R1 is big, black and very heavy (two and a quarter pounds); makers of camera cases are already licking their chops. But it doesn't look much like its rivals. Instead, the hand grip is unusually widely separated from the body - a supremely comfortable arrangement, though weird looking.

The screen is mounted on the top, not the back. To open it, you have to flip it upward and rotate it to face you, which is a drag. But the payoff is that you can fold or rotate the screen to almost any angle - even flat against the camera's top - making it easy to shoot over crowds (for parades) or at ground level (pets and babies). The huge body permits easy access to the buttons and controls, and provides room for a big battery (500 shots, complete with "minutes remaining" display) and memory cards of two different formats: Memory Stick and Compact Flash.

If that were the whole story, the R1 would be an important candidate for anyone considering a digital S.L.R. But as the saying goes, you can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs - and you can't whip up a
new high-end camera design without sacrificing a few perks.

Lost Perk No. 1 has to do with the lens: the R1's is permanently attached. It's a heck of a good lens, but you can't remove it and swap in a telephoto, macro or even wider-angle lens, as you can with a true S.L.R..

Lost Perk No. 2 has to do with that rotating screen; it's not Sony's best work. In this era of 2.5- and 3-inch digital camera screens, it somehow feels dinky (2 inches diagonal). Its clarity and motion smoothness are disappointing, too.

And don't try to get smart by looking through the eyepiece viewfinder instead; on this camera, you'll see only a second electronic display, not a clear glass window to the front. Besides, you feel guilty peering through the viewfinder; isn't the live preview screen one of the main reasons you bought the R1 in the first place?

You also sacrifice a movie-capture mode, which Sony omitted for no good reason, and a good close-up mode; the closest this camera can get to its subject is 13 inches. You'll also be crestfallen to learn that the R1's burst mode - where it keeps capturing shots at high speed for as long as you press the shutter, a useful trick for sports or uncooperative children - snaps a measly maximum of three shots in a burst.

Finally, Sony was awfully miserly with its mode dial. It offers settings for advanced controls (aperture and shutter priority, for example), but few
presets for common scenes like sports, landscape and macro.

Yes, you could argue that anyone who'd spend $1,000 on a camera probably knows how to use the camera's beautifully designed manual controls, without requiring such presets. But then again, anyone who'd spend $1,000 probably expects a better burst mode and interchangeable lenses. In this regard, the R1 sends out mixed signals, as though it's not just a hybrid camera, but one designed for a hybrid photographer.

But never mind that. Even if you don't buy the R1, you may well buy its grandchild in 2008 or 2010. For that reason, even Sony's sniping rivals should be grateful for Sony's "see what sticks" philosophy. The core breakthrough of the R1 is a radically rethought, low-power chip that brings you truly brilliant photographs. And you know what? That'll stick.

E-mail: Pogue@nytimes.com


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December 8th, 2005, 11:30 PM
Abusive New York Camera Store

Forwarded from a NYC blogger:

Abusive New York Camera Store Threatens to Break Customer's Neck

Posted:2005-12-07 23:02

Precision Computing - Customer Service at WaWaDigital – “I’m going to break your neck.” "You better not pick up, bitch. I’m gonna to come down there and break your god damn neck. You heard me, alright? Kid, you better hear me, bitch. Do you hear me, BITCH? Yes, you’d better believe it. You’re in biiiig trouble, my friend."

This was the voicemail reportedly left on a customer's voicemail after he refused to buy overpriced accessories and instead wanted to cancel his order when he was abused by a salesperson at WaWa Digital in Brooklyn, New York.

Of all of the horror stories that I heard from others who had similarly bad experiences to my own recent run in with PriceRitePhoto, this one takes the case. Hey, at least I was only threatened with a lawsuit and arrest by PriceRitePhoto camera store manager / attorney Steve Philips.

Lee Holmes, a blogger who works for Microsoft, was at work a few weeks back when a co-worker of his was allegedly threatened by this sleazy Brooklyn camera outfit, WaWa Digital.

From Lee's blog:

"Somebody I work with recently tried to buy a camera from an internet retailer called “WaWaDigital.” He was telling me about the low price they had it listed for, when the guy called him to confirm the order.

At this point, I recognized what was going on. For some reason, there is an entire cottage industry (in the little cottage called Brooklyn, New York) that sells the camera for below cost, but cancels the order on you unless you buy hundreds of dollars of over-priced accessories.

As the phone call progresses, it’s like watching a really cheesy horror film play out. It’s bad, but funny in its predictability.

“No, thanks, I have all of the storage cards I need.”

Mumble mumble on-the-other-end-of-a-cell-phone-mumble

“The batteries only last for 2 pictures, do they? No thanks, I have all the batteries I need.”

Mumble mumble don’t be so damn cheap mumble mumble

At this point, he’s walking into my office, with the expression on his face of, “You wouldn’t believe the phone call I’m on right now.” I can pretty much hear both sides of the conversation now, and the next thing I was expecting to hear was that the order was canceled. Instead, it continues…

“Don’t be cheap? Listen. That is ridiculous customer service. Cancel my order and goodbye.”

“Cancel your order? You really want to pay the 30% restocking fee for canceling your order?”

“What restocking fee? There is no order, and you’re not going to charge me one.”

“Oh yes I will.”

“Go ahead, and I’ll dispute the charges on my card and it’ll cost you even more.”

Then, my jaw literally drops, as I scramble to help him record the phone call.

“Don’t you even dare. You do that, and I’ll break your neck. You hear me? I’ll come there and break your f-----g neck. I’ll …”

“Goodbye.”, and he hangs up.

Even worse, this sleazy camera salesperson actually called back and left the death threat on the guys voicemail.

Of course, like PriceRitePhoto, WaWa Digital also has an abysmal record with the New York BBB who rates their record as unsatisfactory. The number one type of complaint against WaWa Digital? Yep, you guessed it, selling practices.

By the way, the BBB reports the parent company of WaWa Digital as Starlight Cameras at 295 Avenue O, Brooklyn, NY. 866-621-1697. They also do business as Accessories Land, I.N.S. Digital World, Stargate Photo, and The Camera Whiz.

So the question is, when is New York State Attorney General Spitzer going to get off his duff and clean up this mess in his own backyard? I mean we were first warned about these bait and switch guys over two years ago by PC World. How hard would it be to find the lowest price camera stores and have a few cops call them as a mystery shoppers and then balk at the accessories. If a store then said they were out of stock they could then be fined for deceptive advertising. Hopefully at some point I will receive a response back from Spitzer's office to the complaint that I formally filed with them about PriceRitePhoto. It's shameful that here in the U.S. our law enforcement lets these Brooklyn camera outfits get away with what they do.

December 9th, 2005, 09:15 AM
Lesson learned?

Get the name of your salesman BEFORE he tries to tell you anything.

If a guy calls up and threatens to 'break your F'n neck', I believe you can call the cops directly on that. This is not a laughing matter here.

Besides, it is always good to know exactly who you are dealing with in a situation like this.

Gregory Tenenbaum
July 7th, 2006, 09:25 AM
Digital is convenient - and great for happy snaps

If you are into more artistic photography, dont forget film - the artists and pros still use it

For 200 dollars I would buy a Yashica Mat 124 (not the 124G model as the 124 had better tooling and was more consistently made).

Make sure that you get one with a YASHINON lens as its a Tessar design and is right up there with the best german lenses (dont get one with a Yashikkor lens - theyre not as good)

The camera will allow you with readily available BW or Color film to take 6x6 cm negatives - what they are still using for travel mags and centrefolds. You have 12 frames per roll of film.

Each frame of film works out to be about 80 cents (or less depending on the film you use)

Getting each frame developed costs about another 80 cents

You then look at the frames and decide which ones you want printed - I often get mine printed to 80 x 80 cm - which is expensive. But a normal print is about a dollar each.

So if you are taking 1000s of photos, this camera is expensive. Therein lies the primary benefit of digital cameras (as well as the fact they can be more compact).

The Yashica is more portable than my Hasselblad or any other medium format 6x6 or 6x7 system and takes fantastic pictures.

The lens is fixed at 80mm which for that format is how your eyes see the world. No zoom.

But trust me, if you get one

1. You will instantly get attention from a lot of girls

2. You will develop your skills as a serious photographer

3. You will never look back

4. You will have high quality film frames that are easily archivable and will last 100 years or more without further storage or transfer being necessary

I occasionally use 35mm now. Mostly Large and Medium Format. Its a pain to lug around a Hasselblad but the Yashica is quite ok. Of course a bulky pro Nikon 35mm can be as bulky esp if you are using zoom lenses or telephoto lenses.

Trust me on this, once you use a square format 6x6 camera you will never look back . You can still use 35mm or other formats, but the quality of 6x6 is astounding!

At the end of the day, it does depend on your skills as a photographer but having this camera will force you to become good if not great.

If you have a few more dollars get the Rolleiflex (essentially the same camera as the Yashica Mat 124) but in terms of lens quality and operation the Yashica is the second choice - I use it. A good Rolleiflex will cost at least 2 or 3 time more, but there is a marginal difference in lens quality between the two cameras. This is because the Japanese have been recruiting great german glass engineers since the late 19th Century (and hence the tradition of good cameras, Nikon, Canon, Yashica, Minolta, Tachihara, etc)


Heres a link with photos taken with the 124G. Essentially the same camera as the 124. The 124 was made in the late 60s and early 70s, the 124G was made after that.

But as I say, the 124s are better because Yashica used better tooling.

Hope this helps. But trust me, if I was down to my last 200 dollars and had to make a choice, this would be my camera.

The Benniest
February 19th, 2008, 03:19 PM
Just wondering what kind of camera everyone has, since there is some amazing photography in this thread. I'm stuck with my skinny 'ol digital camera until I can build up enough money to buy a nice, SLR camera like this one (http://www.thedigitals.com/content/uploads/2006/12/samsung-pro815.jpg).

But for now, this one is mine. The Sony Cybershot.


P.S.: If this thread is on the wrong forum, can a moderator please move it? Thanks.

February 20th, 2008, 08:38 PM
Canon S3 IS 6.3mp.


The Benniest
February 28th, 2008, 10:38 PM
Currently looking into buying this camera. Canon 10.1 MP Digital Camera. (http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=5238362)

http://i.walmart.com/i/p/00/01/38/03/06/0001380306609_500X500.jpg http://i.walmart.com/i/p/00/01/38/03/06/0001380306609_AV3_500X500.jpg

March 1st, 2008, 10:01 AM
^Now i like the look of that (although adittedly i'm not being much of an expert on cameras). I'm thinking of buying a new camera soon, so i may have a look around for this one.

March 9th, 2008, 07:19 PM
My prof recommended a Leica D-Lux 3, 10mpix about 600$. Looks good and he swears by it. Does anyone has experience with these cameras?

The Benniest
March 9th, 2008, 07:22 PM
I need some opinions. I'm stuck between both of these cameras:
Nikon 10.2 MP D40x Digital SLR Camera (http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=5716388)
Canon 10.1 MP Digital Rebel XTi SLR Camera (http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=5238362)Has anyone ever used these kinds of cameras or knows someone that does and really likes it? I really would like to get a camera before coming to NY City, which is exactly 2 weeks from today.

Thanks for any and all comments,

- - - - -

My prof recommended a Leica D-Lux 3, 10mpix about 600$. Looks good and he swears by it. Does anyone has experience with these cameras?
Very interesting camera. From the pictures I saw on Google, it looks like a normal (http://www.letsgodigital.org/images/artikelen/25/leica_dlux3_zoom1.jpg), digital camera (nothing special). According to other articles I found, it seems to be a very nice looking camera.

March 12th, 2008, 10:46 AM
This is what you need, you can even call Dr Spock if you need to!:D

Was this post edited by a mod? Image missing.


March 12th, 2008, 12:27 PM
Has anyone tested new Nikon D60?

The Benniest
March 17th, 2008, 08:45 AM
Purchased this camera last night at Best Buy for New York:


Canon Rebel XTi 10.1 MP

I love it. :D

Gregory Tenenbaum
April 11th, 2008, 02:19 PM
I need some opinions. I'm stuck between both of these cameras:
Nikon 10.2 MP D40x Digital SLR Camera (http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=5716388)
Canon 10.1 MP Digital Rebel XTi SLR Camera (http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=5238362)Has anyone ever used these kinds of cameras or knows someone that does and really likes it? I really would like to get a camera before coming to NY City, which is exactly 2 weeks from today.

Thanks for any and all comments,

- - - - -

Very interesting camera. From the pictures I saw on Google, it looks like a normal (http://www.letsgodigital.org/images/artikelen/25/leica_dlux3_zoom1.jpg), digital camera (nothing special). According to other articles I found, it seems to be a very nice looking camera.

I would say both are OK but many prefer the Nikons for 2 reasons

1. Build quality

2. Optics (lenses) - although you have to be Superman to see the difference.

The Canon has less expensive optics.

Both cameras would do you for the next 10 - 25 years assuming the shutters and sensors dont give up. Seriously.

April 11th, 2008, 06:12 PM
Purchased this camera last night at Best Buy for New York:


Canon Rebel XTi 10.1 MP

I love it. :D

I've had one for about a year and I love it. I also use a Canon EOS-1 and a Mamiya 645, but I'm doing more and more digital these days.

April 16th, 2008, 12:46 PM
I just got a Sony Cybershot DSC-H3 (8.1 MP, 10x zoom) for $250. I haven't had a chance to try it out a lot yet, so we'll see how good it is!

The Benniest
April 17th, 2008, 09:59 PM
I just got a Sony Cybershot DSC-H3 (8.1 MP, 10x zoom) for $250. I haven't had a chance to try it out a lot yet, so we'll see how good it is!
I've had a Sony Cybershot for about a year and a half now (7.1 MP) and I'm still using it rather than my expensive Canon Rebel ^^^ I even took the Cybershot to NYC in March when I visited. <pictures here> (http://wirednewyork.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17528)

However, the camera is starting to get old and I plan on getting a "point-and-shoot" camera sometime this summer before I make a return trip to NYC in July.

April 22nd, 2008, 11:35 PM

I got this one, 7.2MP, 6x Optical. Great camera for the price.

May 21st, 2008, 07:00 PM
I am considering purchasing the Nikon D80 with a 18-135mm lens kit.

Anyone know the camera or have any comments?



May 21st, 2008, 11:43 PM
I known someone who has a D80.

More compact and lighter than my D70. Very comfortable to handle, even for a Nikon. Big LCD. Looks solid, well made. I was told the body is weather sealed (that's NOT waterproof).

My only criticism is the kit lens. They are typically inexpensive to keep the price low, but at 18-135mm, I think it tries to be too much. Not a big deal really, but not up to the camera. I'd invest in a lens upgrade.

Mechanically, the lens is fine. AF is very fast.

May 22nd, 2008, 04:18 AM
Thanks Zippy.

At my age, Image Stabilization is important, and I understand there is no such function on this camera or lens. (The small Canon I have at the moment has this function built into the camera.)
I have read somewhere (I think) that the 18-70mm lens which is about the same price as th 18-135mm has some stabilisation built into the lens ?????
The cheapest lens in this range would be the 18-55mm version.

Prices here in the UK. For instance the D80 body is about $900 to $1,000.
The 18-55mm lens would be around $150 and the other two would be about $325 to $350.

May 22nd, 2008, 07:55 AM
Vibration Reduction is built into the lens.

You want a VR lens if you have the yips. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yips)

May 22nd, 2008, 01:04 PM
I don't know if I have the Bernhard Langer yips or the John Daly shakes.

June 23rd, 2008, 11:57 PM
So did you get that camera with the anti-yip lens.

June 24th, 2008, 05:20 AM
Strange that you should ask.

The D80 is due for delivery today.

I went for the package deal inclusive of the 18 x 135 lens which I shall use mostly with a tripod so I have ordered a remote wire as well.

I just thought this lens will be OK while I get used to the camera.
I can get a better one later.

I wish I was buying it in New York. Cost here for Camera and Lens about $1200.

June 24th, 2008, 08:29 AM
Over here, for $1200 you could have gotten the kit lens plus the 70-300 VR lens. Allows about a 3-step slower shutter speed.

June 24th, 2008, 02:19 PM
I know the prices are much better there.

I bought my Canon Powershot last year at J & R, saved myself qiute a bit of money.

Of course it counted for nothing when I had my accident and smashed it.
I had to buy another at full UK price.

Oh, by the way the Nikon arrived on time, I am now filling out the forms for about $100 cash back.

June 24th, 2008, 02:38 PM
Couldn't wait to try it out, so I just set it to Auto and popped out to the front of the house..

My neighbour with her Falabella miniature horse and a puppy that she recenty bred.




The Benniest
June 24th, 2008, 02:52 PM
That puppy is adorable. :eek:

Nice pics Brian.

July 6th, 2008, 06:49 PM
Guess this is semi-off topic, but hope you'll bear with me..

I need a decent digital camera for moving, friends and family will be expecting to get a good bit of photo documentation of life in the big apple - would a camera like Canon Powershot G9 be sufficient to take pretty good pictures of buildings and stuff? Or does it take a SLR camera to get good enough quality? The architecture of NY is obv one of the main things I want to capture.

July 6th, 2008, 07:05 PM
If you want professional quality and can afford it, then go with Digital SLR. Will allow you to take great daytime pictures, as well as night time, which most regular digital cameras have trouble doing.

July 6th, 2008, 07:22 PM
Aye, I can afford it, the only thing that is an issue is that it's suddenly a considerable item you have to take with you, unlike a compact P&S you just stick in your pocket, sort of.

July 6th, 2008, 07:29 PM
You won't be along carrying a big bulky camera around NY, but you'll have great pictures in return.

The Benniest
July 6th, 2008, 07:48 PM
I went to New York in March with this (http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41RMVesTAcL._SL500_.jpg) dinky little thing and got excellent pictures with it. Although I'll be returning in a week with a Canon Rebel XTi (http://calebfackler.com/images/Canon%20rebel%20xti.jpg), the Cybershot will still be with me. :)

Gregory Tenenbaum
July 6th, 2008, 10:00 PM
The G9 is enough - really. If you want to make a mark buy a sensor with the highest bit depth - pixels don't really matter unless you are shooting the Grand Canyon and want to print to the size of your wall.

If you want to take stunning photos on some nice saturated color emulsions/black and white through some of the best lenses ever made - then use a Yashica or Rollei TLR or if you have the cash, Hasselblad V or Rollei 600x series.


6x6 is a nice looking format.

At the end of the day its the photographers brain and not the camera that's important.

Actually what am I thinking?

You need the biggest most heavily marketed Canon DSLR ever made and of icourse you must have an Apple iHaveTheiMostiArtiCred computer otherwise your images will just look like crap.

Nuff said.

July 7th, 2008, 12:20 AM
i too need a good camera for when i move. right now i have a crappy kodak point and shoot. i'd like a canon dslr but i dont wanna spend that much money because i'm saving it for school in ny :p

so some suggestions in the $400~$500 range would be good :)
edit: this thread was merged? anyways i like the one benniest posted, the canon eos rebel . is that good/bad ?

and i found this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16830113037
the nikon d40

Gregory Tenenbaum
August 25th, 2008, 11:52 PM

For that money buy either a used Fuji S2 or S3 if you want something that you could use forever and never have to upgrade or a Canon G9 if you want something small.

You can get a Nikon lens for your Fuji used but good quality for about 50 dollars.

August 27th, 2008, 02:01 PM
Typical. I bought the D80 two months ago.

And here comes the D90.


The new Nikon D90 prosumer DSLR camera builds upon the D80, and will ship with a 12-megapixel CMOS sensor and a 720p HD movie recording mode.

Nikon today announced the Nikon D90, a digital single lens reflex (SLR) camera that aims to redefine the creative boundaries of digital photography allowing photographers to create still images as well as High Definition (HD) movie clips with sound - with the same camera. A host of Nikon core technologies were leveraged to develop the Nikon D90 (specs (http://reviews.infosyncworld.com/digital-cameras/compare/?name1=Nikon+D90)).

Whether consumers are graduating from an advanced compact digital camera or are a seasoned DSLR enthusiast, the Nikon D90 promises great image quality and versatility with its advanced Scene Recognition System, creative controls and the ability to create HD movie clips at 720p in the new D-Movie mode.

Inspired by Nikon's flagship DX-format DSLR, the Nikon D300, and building on the D80, the Nikon D90 sports a 12-megapixel CMOS sensor combined with Nikon's EXPEED image processing system. The latter claims to provide smooth tones, bright colors and low noise across a broad ISO range.

Photographers can compose images using the Live View Mode on the 3-inch VGA LCD screen. The 11-point auto focus (AF) system utilizes Nikon's Scene Recognition System and Face Detection to help make the best shot in a variety of environments. Matched with the new AF-S NIKKOR 18-105mm VR image stabilization lens, and continuous shooting up to 4.5 fps, the Nikon D90 is claimed to capture fast action as they unfold.

For shooting in a variety of lighting conditions, the Nikon D90 has a sensitivity range of ISO 200 to 3200 (expandable to Lo 1 ISO 100 and Hi 1 ISO 6400). The camera also employs an Image Sensor Cleaning function that works to free image-degrading dust particles from the sensor's optical low-pass filter.

The Nikon D90 is the most affordable camera to include Nikon's Scene Recognition System and adds newly-developed advanced Face Detection technology. The former interprets color and brightness information of each individual shot from the 420-pixel RGB sensor, and applies changes to AF, auto exposure and auto white balance. The Nikon D90 can also detect up to five faces. Additionally, Nikon's 3D Color Matrix Metering II aims to ensure accurate exposures, especially during difficult lighting conditions.

Evaluating each scene, input data from the system's sensor is automatically referenced against an internal database of over 30,000 scenes derived from actual photographs to calculate correct exposure values. The Nikon D90 also offers variable center-weighted metering and spot metering centered on the active focus area, as well as exposure compensation and auto exposure bracketing.

For the first time, Nikon introduces the addition of the D-Movie mode, allowing consumers to create HD movie clips (1280 x 720 pixels / 720p) with sound. Movies are shot at 24 fps, and D-Movie clips also take advantage of Nikon VR image stabilization, which is automatically activated during recording. Users can record movie clips onto an inserted SD / SDHC card, created as Motion JPEG AVI files. The Nikon D90 also features an HDMI output.

A mode dial with advanced scene modes on the Nikon D90 aims to make it easier for novice users as well as photography enthusiasts to shoot creative shots. There are many options, such as Picture Control settings to provide an assorted palette of color effects that optimize color, saturation and hue through user-selected choices of Standard, Neutral, Vivid, Monochrome, Portrait and Landscape. Editing tools such as D-Lighting and image trimming, image overlay, and an assortment of color filters can also be applied to images after capture.

The Nikon D90 also provides new options for in-camera image enhancements, including Distortion control (adjusts lens aberration), Straighten (helps to correct linear inclination of an image for straight horizons and landscapes) and Fisheye Effect (in-camera filter produces optical effects similar to a fisheye lens).

The Nikon D90 offers compatibility with Nikon's selection of NIKKOR lenses, including DX NIKKOR lenses, which are designed for optimum performance with Nikon DX format DSLR cameras. When used with the Nikon GP-1 GPS unit (available separately beginning November 2008), the Nikon D90 provides geotagging to images with latitude, longitude and altitude data imprinted on the images' metadata.

The Nikon D90 will be available throughout the United States beginning September 2008 at an MSRP of $1000 for body only and $1300 for body and lens outfit that includes the new AF-S DX Zoom-NIKKOR 18-105mm f/3.5-5.6G ED VR lens.


Gregory Tenenbaum
August 28th, 2008, 10:07 AM
Theres nothing wrong with the D80 but I get your point, they keep improving the models at all levels every 6-12 months.

The D90 has improved performance at high ISO which is great for sports shooters and night shooters, a few more pixels and thats about it.

Flash sync would be the same I expect. No PC sync socket?

And still 12 bit AD.

Get the Fuji S2 or S3 used. They have 14 bit processors and much better color. Dynamic range is much better too because of the two types of sensors they use.

They will outlast any new model that comes out with 12 bit standard CCD processors, or even 14 bit ones.

Spend the change on lighting. Amateurs worry about cameras, masters worry about the lighting.

August 31st, 2008, 02:20 PM
I am trying to look for the perfect camera in my budget that will last me for 10 years or so, its either this

http://cgi.ebay.com/pentax-k1000-w-lens_W0QQitemZ280261752086QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item 280261752086&_trkparms=39%3A1|66%3A3|65%3A15|240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14 (http://cgi.ebay.com/pentax-k1000-w-lens_W0QQitemZ280261752086QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item 280261752086&_trkparms=39%3A1%7C66%3A3%7C65%3A15%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14)



If I buy the Canon, I will be broke and have no money for film and development lol.

Edit: I need flim, otherwise Id get digital

September 26th, 2008, 01:45 PM
I shoot with Canon and shop for gear at B&H Photo Video (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/). They are very reliable, which can be rare in the camera and photo biz.

Gregory Tenenbaum
September 29th, 2008, 03:17 PM
I am trying to look for the perfect camera in my budget that will last me for 10 years or so, its either this

http://cgi.ebay.com/pentax-k1000-w-lens_W0QQitemZ280261752086QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item 280261752086&_trkparms=39%3A1|66%3A3|65%3A15|240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14 (http://cgi.ebay.com/pentax-k1000-w-lens_W0QQitemZ280261752086QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item 280261752086&_trkparms=39%3A1%7C66%3A3%7C65%3A15%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14)



If I buy the Canon, I will be broke and have no money for film and development lol.

Edit: I need flim, otherwise Id get digital

Both are good.

Film and digital are different.

Digital means you can shoot a whole lot more for less and play around with it on your pc or mac.

Which way did you go?

September 30th, 2008, 09:47 AM
Both are good.

Film and digital are different.

Digital means you can shoot a whole lot more for less and play around with it on your pc or mac.

Which way did you go?

I went film, I got a canon EOS elan 2-e 1995 model. It's great I am using it mostly on manual mode, it is a hassle going to the camera shop to get my pictures developed but honestly,i dont mind. Its not that expensive like 6 dollars a roll. the guy that sold it to me gave me a 30-80 zoom lens with it, so its awesome.

Gregory Tenenbaum
October 2nd, 2008, 10:57 AM
Nice choice.

Try feeding it:

Velvia 50

Delta 400
Delta 3200