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August 21st, 2005, 07:24 PM
I've said I would do this ever since I joined these forums. But finally I'm presenting the many, many projects that have popped up recently, with some commentary. I won't have to worry about updating this thread because very few projects will probably be built in the future b/c of new zoning.

I want to start with my favorite one.....Bay Ridge's first, only, and probably last glass tower.

Project #1 - 6917 Shore Road

6 Floors/60 Feet
10 Units
19,193 sq. ft.
Sears Tambasco Architects
Completed 2004-2006

Replaced: A 1 family house, but it was literally crumbling.

I talked to a guy on the street while I took the pic.....he said units were 700,000 with the penthouse being 1.5 mil. It has a hell of a view though. I love this one.

Project #2 - 6915 Shore Road

6 floors/60 Feet
15 Units
24,279 sq. ft.
Fifield Piaker and Associates Architects
Completed 2001-2003

Replaced: I believe a couple of old, small houses.

This building lacks continuity. It's just pieced together. Not terrible, though. Along with #1 and the pre-war building on the corner, it creates a nice wall on this curved section of Shore Road.

Project #3 - 6833 Shore Road/9 Bay Ridge Ave

6 Floors/60 feet
20 Units
41,960 sq. ft.
Sears Tambasco Architects
Completed 1998-2000

Replaced: An ugly, decaying gas station and garage.

This building fits its corner nicely. Annoying Fedders aside, it's a decent building.

Project #4 - 14-48 Bay Ridge Avenue/6902 Narrows Avenue

3 Floors/32 Feet
73 Units
67,058 sq. ft.
Tambasco Architects
Completed 2000-2002

This site stood empty for years, after foiled plans, including a movie house with a parking garage, were foiled. These are very well done. They are inviting on street level, parking is confined to the rear, and they have a modern look.

Project #5 - 219 68th Street

3 Floors/30 Feet
6 Units
10,594 sq. ft.
Bricolage Designs
Under Construction 2005-2006

Replaces: A beautiful old, large house, that was most recently used as a boarding house, but admittedly, began to fall into disrepair lately. Still a shame to lose this house for another Bricolage box.


Project #6 - 20 Oliver Street

6 Floors/60 Feet
4 Units
7,000 sq. ft.
K.T. Seung, P.E. Architects
Under Construction 2004-?

Replaces a large, old, one-faily victorian.

I don't know what's going on with this lot. The permits for new construction have expired and no work has been going on for quite some time. The house, however, has been torn down awhile ago.


August 21st, 2005, 07:54 PM
Project #7 - 420 Senator Street

3 Floors/32 Feet
6 Units
9,325 sq. ft.
Bricolage Designs
Completed 2004-2005

Replaced: 2 small houses. There was one house on the street, and another in back of it. It was a neat little quirk, but the houses themselves were nothing special.

This actually looks good, for 3 reasons. No fedders, one entrance accessed without a lot of steps, and built-in balconies.

Project #8 - 445 Senator Street

3 Floors/32 Feet
3 Units
3,255 sq. ft.
Urban Engineering Architects
Completed 2001-2002

Replaced...I'm not sure. There are no demolition permits, so it may have just been an empty lot.

This firm makes Bricolage look like Norman Foster. As bad as it gets folks, as bad as it gets. THe poor house next to it, too.

Project #9 - 538 67th Street

3 Floors/32 Feet
3 Units (?)
3,792 sq. ft.
Urban Engineering Architects
Completed 2002-2004

Replaced a 1 family. Surprised?

Damn you Urban Engineering

Project #10 - 577 77th Street

3 Floors/32 Feet
6 Units
5,475 sq. ft.
R.I.P. Construction Consultants
Under Construction 2004-2006

Replaced a single family, medium-sized house.

This building promises to be terrible. Behold the Fedders!

August 21st, 2005, 08:32 PM
#1 is a pleasant surprise. I thought it would be something similar to #2, which I hate - especially those contrasting AC vents.

August 21st, 2005, 08:41 PM
This next group of projects is ~8 block area between 86th Street, 92nd street, the Gowanus, and Dyker Golf Course. Many old, old houses were taken down, some were just empty lots. This area is excluded from Bay Ridge's special zoning so they were allowed to exceed 3 floors. Some don't consider it Bay Ridge, but I do, it just seems isolated b/c of the highway. I dont have exact dates on any of these since I rarely walk this area, but it's safe to say they were completed within the last few years.

Project #11 - 76 Battery Ave

4 Floors/48 Feet
6 units
11,832 sq. ft.
Bricolage Designs
Completed 2001-2004

Replaced: I believe nothing

For some reason this doesn't look so bad.

Project #12 - 107 Dahlgren Place

3 Floors/35 Feet
9 Units
11,193 sq. ft.
Bricolage Designs
Completed 1994-1995

Replaced: 1 family detached

Almost all of the developments in this immediate area have medical offices on the ground floor.

Project #13 - 113 Dahlgren Place

3 Floors/45 Feet
12 Units
18,480 sq. ft.
Bricolage Designs
Completed 1999-2001

Replaced: 1-family house

Henry Radusky you've done it again.

Project #14 - 129/133/135 Dahlgren Place

3 Floors/35 Feet
9 Units (3 Units Each)
4,720 sq. ft. (Each)
Bricolage Designs
Completed 2001-2002

Replaced: An old house and some empty land.

You know there is a low budget when there's no elevator. The old "walk-up"

Project #15 - 118 Battery Ave

4 Floors/55 Feet
17 Units
32,700 sq. ft. (inc. medical offices)
Bricolage Designs
Completed 2002-2004

Replaced: 2 or 3 small houses. The remaining houses in this neighborhood are very old, part of the original Fort Hamilton settlement.

Project #16 - 77 Dahlgren Place

3 Floors/35 Feet
6 Units
11,011 sq. ft.
Simino Architects
Completed 2003-2005

Replaced: 1 family detached

Two things on this one; I expect better from Simino, and, this one looks so old, it could pass off being an 80s building.

Digest these, I'll post the remaining 25 or so projects tomorrow. I've been uploading pics all weekend!

August 21st, 2005, 11:35 PM
You're crazier and more thorough than I ever was...

#1 is lovely except for the side wall. I've been meaning to look for its address; every time I see it I'm like, "whoa." The one next to it isn't thet bad, at least it has lots of windows. #3 is kind of bland but the corner acknowledges its location by the water.

Most of the rest, though... I just won't say anything.

#2 is
Pier 69
6915 Shore Road
6 floors
16 units
Architect: Fifield Piaker Associates

Lovely #1 is

6917 Shore Road
6 floors
10 units
Architect: Sears Tambasco

This might be #4
14-48 Bay Ridge Avenue/6902 Narrows Avenue
3 floors, 32 ft
73 units
Architect: Sears Tambasco (then, Tambasco Architect)

August 22nd, 2005, 01:33 PM
Do you have contact info (telephone number or website) for Project #1?

August 22nd, 2005, 06:14 PM
What Utterly Disgusting Crap!!

August 23rd, 2005, 12:22 AM
Couldn't have said it better. Nice job sfenn1117.
The city should implement some kind of design rules, downzoning shouldn't always the solution. A 3 story ugly is not that much better than a 5 story ugly.

August 23rd, 2005, 09:49 AM
Well, they kept one thing traditional - Brooklyn landscaping - cement and more cement. (It gives the old men in black socks and Guinea T's something to hose down every morninng).

I see they haven't put a single "Mary in a Tub" or plastic red, white and blue flowers up at any of these homes yet.

August 23rd, 2005, 03:40 PM
I'm on my brand new laptop making the uploading process 10 times faster (wireless internet). I'm so busy, I leave for school early Saturday, so let me get these done and over with.

Project 17 - 433 & 435 80th Street

3 Floors/32 Feet
6 Units (3 Units Each)
4,345 sq. ft. each
Simino Architects
Completed 2003-2005

Replaced: A large one-family detached.

This is the one that stopped the rest. This building caused such an uproar that immediately new zoning was called for, and 18 months later, the neighborhood got it. As for the building, it's not great, I'd expect better from Simino.


Project 18 - 9481 Ridge Blvd

3 Floors/31 Feet
8 Units
11,963 sq. ft.
Kirshenbaum Tambasco Architects
Completed 1996-1998

Replaced: A large old victorian

Typical Tambasco work...it's decent and presentable.

Project 19 - 125 95th Street

3 Floors/32 Feet
13 Units
23,926 sq. ft.
Sears Tambasco Architects
Completed 2000-2002

Replaced: I believe a barn or some building related to the Farrel House, a landmark directly adjacent to this building.

One thing Tambasco does is keep parking confined to a garage or a lot in the back, out of view, leaving the sidewalk area to be landscaped, beautifying the neighborhood. As for the building....they are capable of better. At the very least, the building is presentable.


Projects 20&21 - 266/268 80th Street

2 Floors/27 Feet
2 Single-Family Detached Houses
3,064 sq. ft. each
M. Bazac Architect
Under Construction 2005-2006

Replaced: One large victorian

Well Bay Ridge, here is your new zoning. You didn't save the old house (it was nice, actually), but you have prevented a big Fedders building from Being up. Bravo. The developer must have been pissed when he found out he'd have to build a couple of houses, lol. Let's see how they turn out.


Project 22 - 320/322/324 77th Street

3 Floors/35 Feet
9 Units (3 each)
5,360 sq. ft. (each)
Bricolage Designs
Completed 2004-2005

Replaced: 2 detached, single-family houses, that were fixer-uppers. I thought it had more units...


Project 23 - 364/366/368/370/372 90th Street

3 Floors/30 Feet
15 Units (3 each)
4,400 sq. ft. (Each)
Bricolage Designs
Under Construction 2005-2006

Replaced: Weeds. It was an empty lot.

The exact same thing as #32, just with more units! Proof that designs are recycled, at least this one isn't bad.


August 23rd, 2005, 03:55 PM
Project 24 - 7826 Colonial Road

3 Floors/32 Feet
1 Family Detached
3,850 sq. ft.
Bricolage Designs
Completed 2003-2005

Replaced: An older 1 family. I'm not sure why it was taken down for this crap.

Bricolage even butchers regular houses! It is hideous!!

Project 25 - 351/353/355/357/359/363 91st Street

3 Floors/32 Feet
18 Units (3 Each)
5,361 sq. ft. (each)
Bricolage Designs
Under Construction 2005-2006

Replaced: Weeds, and an old dilapidated auto repair shop.

I'm happy to see this ugly empty lot go away, but the design of this is awful. I walked by this at night recently (January) and it is, in my opinion, an insult to our neighborhood. I'll go back during the day and show you the uglyness. There's a lot of crap on this thread, but believe me, this tops them all.


Project 26 - 366 91st Street

3 Floors/32 Feet
9 Units
13,300 sq. ft.
Kirshenbaum and Tambasco Architects
Completed 1994-1995

Replaced: One family on a fairly large lot.

I didn't realize this one was over a decade old. But it does show wear....already. Sadly cheap. Like I said before, like the sidewalk greenery though.


Project 27 - 373 91st Street

3 Floors/32 Feet
9 Units
11,000 sq. ft.
Bricolage Designs
Completed 2001-2003

Replaced a semi-large, one-family, detached house

This building is ugly as hell, it's cheap as hell, the condos....expensive as Hell. I don't get it. Do you?


Project 28 - 378 92nd Street

3 Floors/31 Feet
9 Units
12,040 sq. ft.
Bricolage Designs
Completed 2003-2005

Replaced: The neighborhood lost an old, tiny farmhouse for this. It wasn't a beautiful building, but it was "charming." Certainly not the adjective to describe this replacement.

Yeah, it is the same exact thing just 1 block over. Come on!


August 23rd, 2005, 04:05 PM
If someone were to say to a realtor, "I want to live in a new building, but it must be one of the ugliest buildings in New York City" - I imagine Bay Ridge would fit the bill.

August 23rd, 2005, 04:06 PM
Project 29: 378 93rd Street

6 floors/54 Feet
9 Units
10,555 sq. ft.
Bricolage Designs

The whole retro look these buildings aim for just does not work. Compare this one to the pre-war building next to it. No comparison.


Project 30 - 423 95th Street

3 Floors
Completed 1988-1990

I included this one even though it's older, because it's one of the best modern condos in Bay Ridge. I think it's "cozy."


Project 31 - 447 95th Street

3 Floors/35 Feet
12 Units
Strange Haskopolous Vella Architects
17,160 sq. ft.
Completed 2000-2001

Replaced: Old, old single family detached

Not great, Not terrible

Projects 32 & 33 - 442 97th Street/9718 Fort Hamilton Parkway

3 Floors/32 Feet
28 Units
28,425 sq. ft.
Urbitran/Rosenbloom Architects and/or Tambasco Architects
Completed 2001-2004

3 Floors/32 Feet
36 Units
49,260 sq. ft.
Urbitran/Rosenbloom Architects and/or Tambasco Architects
Completed 2001-2004

Replaced: Empty lot, was a nursery sometime back.

Separte buildings but obviously related. These look good, no Fedders, and good, quality materials. Has a huge garage underneath, and sidewalk greenery.


As you can see FHP is u/c

That's it, I thought there was more, there's a lot of projects I didn't even get to. I wanted to get to Bensonhurst and Bath Beach but it's just not going to happen. Hope you enjoyed.

August 23rd, 2005, 04:07 PM
What did they do? Bulldoze Bay Ridge and start from scratch?

August 23rd, 2005, 04:12 PM
If someone were to say to a realtor, "I want to live in a new building, but it must be one of the ugliest buildings in New York City" - I imagine Bay Ridge would fit the bill.

The pathetic thing is that they are marketed as luxury and few sell for under 700,000. I'd be embarassed to say to my family and friends, yeah, I just bought a new luxury condo, come check it out!

But In reality every neighborhood is getting its share of hideous buildings. Just check out my Sunset Park thread, the Prospect Hts thread, Williamsburg, etc. Some of the infill in ENY and Brownsville is also hideous. It's really unfortunate.

33 projects in this thread; 1 is exceptional, maybe 3 are very good, maybe 8 are acceptable, the remaining 2/3 are ugly. Not a good ratio at all

January 3rd, 2006, 10:41 PM
Project #5
68th between Ridge and 3rd. (219 68th)
Empty lot for now, no permits on site (other than demolition). A big boarding house was demolished recently, and I'm not sure what the developer can do with the land now, because of the new zoning. We'll wait and see.


Walked by today, new permits, well, from October. Looked online....bad news. 3 story, 6 unit building; the architect: Henry Radusky of Bricolage Designs. It actually was first proposed as 8 units but then lowered. Remind me to never walk down this block again. I don't understand though, isn't the new zoning supposed to stop this?

Address is 219 68th street

January 7th, 2006, 11:48 PM
I have gone through and completely redone this thread. Details for each project are now included.

I also removed projects older than 10 years old. All the crap looks the same I didn't realize some of it is over a decade old. I have more projects to post, which I will do, this week. I don't have pics for most of them though, but I will when I come home for Spring. This break flew by, I didn't have the time! Back to Vermont tomorrow!

January 8th, 2006, 05:20 PM
Project 34: 9935 Shore Road

8 Floors/90 Feet
24 Units
47,800 sq. ft.
Bricolage Designs
Completed 2003-2005

Shore Road has always been the gold coast of Bay Ridge. Magnificent, and extremely expensive apartment buildings line much of it, especially south of Fort Hamilton High.

This building looks good. Pre-Fab? Yes. Could be better, but it does look good. I like the way the bottom floors are treated. Sorry I was only able to go out to see it at night, I had no time. I tried to fix the pics the best I could.


Project 35: 9917 Shore Road

9 Floors/80 Feet
23 Units
31,488 sq. ft.
Karl Fischer Architects
Under Construction 2005-2007

Sorry, the pic of the house to be demolished didn't come out, but it is in terrible shape. I will gladly sacrifice it for another large condo, especially by Fischer. This is where higher density should take place, not in the middle of the side streets!

This will be immediately next to the previous project.

This is the view these two projects have!!!


January 9th, 2006, 11:27 PM
Project 36 - 509 68th Street

3 Floors/39 Feet
4 Units
7,500 sq. ft.
Bricolage Designs
Completed 2002-2004

Replaced: Empty Lot

Like the rest.


Project 37 - 334 93rd Street

3 Floors/30 Feet
9 Units
14,400 sq. ft.
Bricolage Designs
Completed 2001-2002

Replaced: One family detached

Perhaps the worst in the neighborhood. No attempt at design whatsoever


January 10th, 2006, 09:33 AM
Bricolage is designing some very ugly buildings.

January 10th, 2006, 10:42 AM
They must just have a basic template to regurgitate the same garbage over and over again. Brick color is probably decided by a mood ring.

January 10th, 2006, 11:49 AM

Quoins !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Quaint, eh ?

June 30th, 2007, 01:39 AM
Home Depot developer stands there and takes it from CB10

Standing room only: Developer
Andrew Kohen (left) pitches a
packed crowd at Community
Board 10 on his plan to build
a Home Depot — and
residences — on Eighth Avenue.

By Matthew Lysiak
The Brooklyn Paper
June 30 – July 7, 2007 (http://www.brooklynpaper.com/stories/30/26/30_26homedepot.html)

Developer Andrew Kohen — who wants to build a new Home Depot and hundreds of units of lucrative housing along a vacant Bay Ridge rail yard — was forced to stand silently for an hour as members of Community Board 10 committee slammed him as greedy on Monday night.

And then, in the end, the committee voted against Kohen’s request for a zoning change on the commercial land in the rail yard at 62nd Street and Eighth Avenue. The developer has already cleared the land, but needs the rezoning so he can build the profitable residential units in the complex, which would consist of an 11-story building with 216 apartments (43 of which will be below-market-rate), office space, and the 100,000-square-foot Hoe Depot.

The vote by CB10’s land-use committee came after board members took their best shots at the developer, who was asked to stand by silently.

The two main points of contention were the height of the building, and the cost of the so-called “affordable” housing. Kohen said a three-bedroom affordable unit would cost $1,700 per month.

One member called that rent market rate.

“That’s what we are paying now, [so] how is that affordable?” one member asked. “This is nothing except for you trying to make a profit.”

Kohen will be eligible for a tax abatement, a government subsidy for developers who include low-income housing in their buildings. He defended his right to make a profit.

“I am walking on thin ice,” Kohen said. “At the end of the day, if there is no profit, what is the incentive for me?”

Making a profit is one thing, but committee members accused Kohen of greed.

“Isn’t that what this is all about?” asked board member — and former congressional candidate — Steve Harrison. “You are going to be getting subsidies when my constituents will not. This looks like a win for you and a loss for the community.”

Harrison also complained that Kohen ignored the board’s earlier request for a decrease in the building’s height.

“I just have to say, I am baffled by you,” said Harrison. “Two years ago, you came to us asking for approval and we told you to do something about the size, then you come back again without making any changes.”

To add insult to insults, Kohen also found himself attacked by Community Board 7 Chairman Randy Peers, who stopped by to offer his disapproval.
“All the feedback I am getting is very negative,” said Peers.

It wasn’t all bad. Land-use committee Chairwoman Joanne Seminara offered kind words — then withheld her support.

“You are a quality developer who builds good buildings,” said Seminara. “I know you are disappointed. But when I look at traffic, overcrowding, and the height of this building, I cannot give my support top this plan.

When the exasperated Kohen was finally allowed to speak, he offered a compromise — though it didn’t appease the beast.

“I have heard the wishes of this honorable committee and I will take a floor off the building,” Kohen said, before being interrupted by one angry board member.

“Yeah, take off the penthouse,” said board member Ron Gross.

Kohen soldiered on. “Nothing in the law compels me to ,” said Kohen, as some members rolled their eyes. “I took a big chance and volunteered to do this.”

Kohen’s one ally in the room, CB10 Chairman Dean Rasinya, warned that if the board didn’t work with Kohen, the city could rezone the land anyway, giving CB10 no negotiating power.

“Listen, this is a hole in the ground,” said Rasinya. “If the city changes the zoning, we will have no control, and the truth is, we can always use the jobs and housing.”

Community Board 10 will have one more meeting on the subject, on July 11, at a location to be determined. Call (718) 745-6827 for information.

[I]©2007 The Brooklyn Paper

June 30th, 2007, 11:07 AM
EVERYONE is against this in the neighborhood. I'm not sure I'm even for it, who needs another Home Depot in Brooklyn and the odds are high for a fugly design.

June 30th, 2007, 07:21 PM
Well, I'm FOR this proposal. First, this plot is zoned for commercial uses. Even without the residences on top, there could still be a Home Depot or another big box tenant.

Would you rather see another HD with a parking lot all around with no other uses on it instead? In fact,that is one of my biggest gripes with these big box stores in the outerboroughs, the land use is inefficient just like they would be out in the suburbs. So at least in this case, they are remedying that.

If they're going to have a commercial tenant anyway, I'd rather they also have residences also. Besides, as much as I hate Home Depot's, I believe we should let the market decide if there are indeed too many of them in Brooklyn. When they've reach saturation, there is always a chance that they'll close this store and another business can move in, so in a way, HD will not necessarily be a permanent fixture here.

Lastly, these community board people are being extremely hypocritical. On one hand they are claiming they need more affordable housing in the community but then they are rejecting this proposal which will have a sizable affordable component. By rejecting this development and have it developed into another strip mall, guarantees that there will be no affordable units whatsoever.

July 10th, 2007, 08:53 PM
I changed my mind. I found these renderings on Greenberg Farrow's website, and it's not a bad looking building at all. While I hate the idea of another Home Depot in Brooklyn, the housing units and the development of derelict property make up for it. Not to mention, this building really bridges a gap into linking Sunset Park and Bay Ridge, divided by the open cut subway, which has a stop adjacent to the development (seen in first rendering).

Sadly this will never get approved, community opposition to this is rampant to say the least.



Aerial of the site

July 10th, 2007, 10:17 PM
Sadly this will never get approved, community opposition to this is rampant to say the least.That's where you come in.

Whatcha doin' tomorrow (Wednesday)?

Go to that meeting and enlighten those community boneheads. ;)

July 10th, 2007, 10:42 PM
THIS is how big boxes should be developed in New York. Although, I do think this developer should include affordable units that are actually affordable.

July 13th, 2007, 02:03 PM
Update: CB10 backs Home Depot

By Matthew Lysiak
The Brooklyn Paper
July 14, 2007 (http://www.brooklynpaper.com/stories/30/27/30_27cb10depot.html)

A developer’s plan to build a new Home Depot and 214 units of housing along a vacant Bay Ridge railyard got a big thumbs up from Community Board 10 late Wednesday night, despite weeks of controversy over the proposal.
The board vote was 30–11.

The vote came only a week after CB10’s Zoning and Land-Use Committee not only rejected developer Andrew Kohen’s request for a zoning change on the commercial land in the railyard at 62nd Street and Eighth Avenue, but also made him stand for two hours while members berated him.

The developer needs the rezoning so he can build the profitable residential units in the complex, which would consist of an 11-story building with 216 apartments, office space, and the 100,000-square-foot Home Depot (see rendering above).

On Wednesday night, CB10 members again complained about the project’s size, but the majority of members supported the project.

Board member Steve Harrison, an outspoken critic of Kohen’s, even flipped his vote, in part due to a strong call to action by Councilman Vince Gentile (D–Bay Ridge).

“This project will bolster the area, spruce up the surroundings and provide significant employment and housing,” Gentile said.

Kohen, who sent several minutes before the meeting praying quietly near the entrance, was gratified by the news.

“Unless people stop having babies and looking for jobs, then we need development,” said Kohen.

©2007 The Brooklyn Paper

July 13th, 2007, 02:25 PM
I'm shocked....great news!

July 13th, 2007, 02:27 PM
Well thats great to hear. The building looks very nice and like sfenn said it will fill that gap that the parking lot has left on the area.

July 25th, 2007, 04:04 PM
A parking garage? Accommodating cars and drivers? Talk about getting it all wrong, these idiot community people.

Century 21 parking lot approved by CB10

Century 21 architect David
Nicholson shows off the store's
plans for a parking lot on 87th
Street, the site of the former
Mark Lanes.

By Matthew Lysiak
The Brooklyn Paper
July 21, 2007 (http://www.brooklynpaper.com/stories/30/28/30_28century21lot.html)

The parking lot that claimed the life of a much-loved bowling alley on 87th Street is one step closer to reality.

Community Board 10 signed off on Century 21’s plan to build a six-story parking garage capable of accommodating 279 cars on the former site of the Mark Lanes bowling alley.

The lot could help ease parking congestion during daytime shopping hours and also at night, as Century 21 has promised to allow local restaurants to use the lot for valet parking, freeing up space on the street.

“There is a lot of congestion caused by cars circling around the block looking for parking spaces,” said Melanie McMurray, a company representative who spoke at CB10’s July 11 meeting.

Parking would not be free, unless shoppers buy something at Century 21 and get their parking ticket validated, according to McMurray.

In addition to the parking garage, Century 21 hopes to add a level of retail space on 87th Street and plant six trees on the roof, according to architect David Nicholson.

Despite the overwhelming community board support, the extra parking was condemned by at least one constituency: bowling fans.

“The bowling alley was here for 50 years and my heart was destroyed when they tore it down,” said local bowling fanatic Tom Brice.

©2007 The Brooklyn Paper

I'd bet you that if someone had proposed housing on that site instead, the community would be up in arms. :rolleyes:

July 26th, 2007, 04:35 PM
^I know. Another local landmark gone and for a parking garage.

Here's a new development. Even after the downzoning, people still complain. A couple of nice houses will be demolished for this, but being on 4th ave with a subway stop literally in front of the building, I'm in favor. There's also a 6 story apartment house across the street. Please just don't be a Fedders!

No Time for Capsule in Bay Ridge by Brooklyn Eagle (), published online 07-26-2007
http://www.brooklyneagle.com/images/1x1.gifControversy Over New Development
Overshadows Piece of Local History
By Sarah Tobol
Brooklyn Daily Eagle

BAY RIDGE — Something is amiss in Bay Ridge. Controversy surrounds the property at 7614 Fourth Ave., where a developer is seeking to demolish the Bay Ridge Funeral Home to make way for a seven-story condo building.

Residents are up in arms about the height of the building, which would be three stories taller than those surrounding it. Less noticed, however, is the fate of the Bay Ridge time capsule, which was buried in the front lawn of the funeral home four years ago.

The time capsule, put together in celebration of the sesquicentennial (150th) anniversary of the naming of Bay Ridge, appears to have been moved. Some are not sure if it actually has been moved, and no one is revealing where it is.

Bay Ridge was originally called Yellow Hook, but yellow fever gave the name a negative connotation, and the founding fathers responded by changing the name in 1853. The new name was inspired by the Upper New York Bay and a ridge running along what is now Ridge Boulevard.

Amidst other celebrations for the 150th anniversary, Ted General came up with the idea to create a time capsule for Bay Ridge, which would hold various items from the present day and be opened in 50 years for the 200th anniversary. Peter Killen and George Fontas also participated in the project.

“We reached out to different schools, community organizations and businesses,” said General. “They each contributed significant items, which we put in the capsule.”
400 Pounds of History

Among the objects in the capsule are photographs of homes, streets, avenues, schools and parks; books written about Bay Ridge autographed by the authors; and dollar bills and badges from local Boy Scouts, according to George Fontas.

“We had street fairs and festivals, and we brought the capsule to them,” Fontas said. People took pictures at the fairs and put them into it; “everybody got into the act.”

With all the collected items, the box weighed more than 400 pounds, said Fontas. It is a large wooden box lined with zinc, which was sealed. The wood was then sealed and another layer of zinc was sealed around the box to keep its contents safe.

The next step was to find a home for the time capsule. Peter Killen explained, “Ted General and I scoured Bay Ridge for a very long time.” They came upon the Bay Ridge Funeral Home, then at 7614 Fourth Ave., which had a “beautiful lawn” in front.

Alex Marchak, director of the home, agreed to bury the capsule on his property and put a marker on the grass above signifying its location. He was given the Civic Award by the Bay Ridge Community Council in part for his work with the time capsule.

Killen added that they put up a security camera constantly aimed at the ground over where the time capsule was buried, to protect against thieves.
Capsule Was Moved … Or Not?

All was presumably well with the time capsule, until last week, when a neighbor was walking by 7614 Fourth Ave., recently sold by Marchak, and saw that the marker was missing. Upon inquiry, a passer-by told him that the capsule was in the garage.

When asked of the whereabouts of the time capsule, Marchak replied, “We took it out for the time being while the building is being redone. We’re discussing where it should go.”

While Marchak said the capsule was moved, General and Fontas expressed no knowledge that it had been disturbed. “The funeral home itself did relocate, but the time capsule is still there as far as I know,” General said.

“I heard recently that they moved the stone because the property was being sold,” Fontas said. He said that to his knowledge, the time capsule remains in place, and surmised that it would be pretty difficult to move, given its weight.

However, when asked where the time capsule is now, Killen said, “We have secured the capsule and the marker.” He said the capsule was indeed moved, but would not disclose its current location, insisting, “It’s safe. We’re waiting to see what happens with the owners of the building.” Councilman Vincent Gentile, a supporter of the capsule, said that to his knowledge, the capsule wasn’t moved, it was the marker that was put in the garage. Though, “once in the ground, no one wants to see a time capsule prematurely unearthed,” he said.
Condo Controversy Prevails

Chris Kasler, a former owner of the property, said that though he was not involved with the time capsule at the time, he “would find it inappropriate if the time capsule was buried with the knowledge that the property was being sold.”

Kasler lives directly behind the property, and his main concern is about what is going to be built there. He is “opposed to a seven-story condo complex at that location,” and said that it should be four-stories to match the surrounding buildings. He explained that he heard City Planning has put the developing on hold, but the reason has not been made public.

Not everyone is opposed to the new development. Killen thinks it’s a good thing, because “the neighborhood is going to thrive,” with more people coming to live there.

“If you fight every building that goes up and try to keep people out, your neighborhood can slowly decline,” he explained. “It’s just the way of the world.”

Because of the demolition sought to be done on the property, knowledge of the safety of the time capsule is paramount. Community Board 10 District Manager Josephine Beckmann said, “as long as it’s safeguarded to be opened in 50 years, then it’s not a problem.”
© Brooklyn Daily Eagle 2007


July 30th, 2007, 09:19 PM
Can someone tell me how parking is in Bay Ridge? I found an apartment there that I'm looking at tomorrow. Is it easy, hard, various? The apartment is on 70th street, if one part is better to park than the others. Thanks!

August 19th, 2007, 11:33 PM
Project 34: 9935 Shore Road

8 Floors/90 Feet
24 Units
47,800 sq. ft.
Bricolage Designs
Completed 2003-2005

Project 35: 9917 Shore Road

9 Floors/80 Feet
23 Units
31,488 sq. ft.
Karl Fischer Architects
Under Construction 2005-2007
^^^This is to the left of the one above. The house has been demolished but no building activity yet. Meanwhile, these houses on 3rd Ave between 99th and Shore Rd are zoned R7A still so they will go someday.

Also, thanks Commerce Bank for shutting down a neighborhood landmark. They are even giving us drive-thru service. :rolleyes:

August 20th, 2007, 01:00 AM
Although I like the bank itself, I have a strong dislike for their choice of putting up large parking lots. There are quite a few in Queens two of which stand on major boulevards that could have been a nice 6-8 story building but instead is a one story POS with a giant parking lot.:mad:

January 22nd, 2008, 08:41 AM
10002 4th Ave. (@ the SW corner of 100 St.), 16 units by Bricolage on what was an open lot.

For some crazy reason, they just love this crummy firm in southern Brooklyn and in return, the borough gets rewarded from them each time with more ugliness.

Hey, at least there's no Fedder AC vents, right? Hurray!

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2094/2207373955_e2bc2064ef.jpg (http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2094/2207373955_bfcb6773c3_o.jpg)
AllWaysNY (http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=2207373955&size=m&context=pool-18964236@N00)

January 27th, 2008, 01:46 AM
Does a building like this really require a name. Cento...:rolleyes:

April 25th, 2008, 05:50 PM
Church's condo deal stirs grave concerns

Friday, April 25th 2008 (http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/brooklyn/2008/04/25/2008-04-25_churchs_condo_deal_stirs_grave_concerns.html), 4:00 AM

A holy row has broken out in Brooklyn after more than 200 graves were dug up to make room for luxury condos.

Protesters gathered Thursday as the remains of 211 Methodists were moved from their resting places at a soon-to-be-demolished church to Cypress Hills Cemetery.

"This is outrageously disrespectful," said Kathleen Walker, a preservationist working to save the landmarked Bay Ridge United Methodist Church.

"I call it the church of greed," Walker railed. "The church isn't concerned about desecrating the bodies of its own congregants so long as they get their cash."

Parishioners who support the church sale and grave relocation bristled at the demonstrators, all of whom are not members of the church, as disrespectful.

"This was a solemn moment for us and to have these irrational people screaming at us is an absolute disgrace," said church pastor Robert Emerick, who held a prayer service over the remains.

The church is being shuttered because of the crippling expense of maintaining it and its crumbling limestone foundation, he said.

Developers plan to replace it with a smaller church and an apartment building in the next four months.

Demolition is expected to begin next month.

© Copyright 2008 NYDailyNews.com

April 25th, 2008, 05:55 PM
Here's some more info and a pic from brownstoner (http://www.brownstoner.com/brownstoner/archives/2007/05/green_church_up.php) from last May on the Bay Ridge Methodist Church proposal:

May 22, 2007

Green Church: Will LPC Be The Deus Ex Machina?


The situation is getting quite desperate at the United Methodist Church, aka the Green Church, on 4th Avenue in Bay Ridge. The congregation has forsaken the turn of the century structure and is reportedly already in contract with a developer for $12.5 million—or about $200,000 per congregant. When the deal closes, the developer plans to tear down the entire structure, which, Forgotten NY points out, is notable for being the only serpentine stone facade in New York City. Here's how we wish the whole thing had played out: The congregation (which has dwindled to about 60 souls) could have put an easement on the church, sold it to a developer to rehab and preserve, donated the proceeds to a worthy religious cause of its choosing and then started spending Sunday mornings at a different church. Barring divine intervention, the only way the destruction can be averted at this point is if the Landmarks Preservation Commission steps up to the plate pronto. For some reason, LPC hasn't exactly been tripping over itself to help out though. The group Save the Green Church is holding a meeting tonight at 7 o'clock at 7027 Ridge Crest Terrace to marshal a last-ditch effort. For more information, contact SaveTheGreenChurch AT yahoo DOT com.

April 25th, 2008, 05:59 PM
That's just terrible that they would do that to a very old, yet attractive church and all for what?

50 measly units in another Fedders brick box? Ugh...

This is what happens when you downzone, more sites are needed to build and meet housing demands than would have if it wasn't downzoned.

People in this city thinks that downzoning deters new development, but it doesn't. It just spreads it around, causing more sites to be disrupted than would have.

April 25th, 2008, 07:49 PM
That is a true shame and Antinimby I totally agree with you on the comment about downzoning. Increase the density of the area so places like this don't have to be sacrficied. This is senseless to lose such a beautiful, important piece of architecture.

I fear we might lose a beautiful church here in Jersey City, St. John's Episcopal, but not for the same reason. It is just threatened by age and neglect. To quote the text from the site of the Jersey City Conservancy:

"Built in 1870, St. John's Episcopal Church is perhaps the City's best example of Gothic Revival Architecture. Designed by John Remsen Overdonk II, the church's design reflects the philosophy of "ecclesiology" that played an important role in mid 19th century church design.

St. John's was originally built as a church for a rural parish in the City of Bergen. As the community developed and grew, the Church became the largest Episcopal Congregation in the State of New Jersey. St. John's became known as the "Millionaire's Church," as it catered to Hudson County's wealthies professionals."


It's a shame United Methodist can't be saved. Something just as a fan of unique architecture I bemoan.

April 26th, 2008, 01:00 PM
I have been in that church, attended a wedding there a few years back and it is gorgeous. What a shame.

I lived in Bay Ridge for 7 years back in the 80's. It is or was at least a wonder ful neighborhood and a great place to live. Slowly, however, I understand many of the places I used to frequent are being torn down or converted. Griwalds, an old fashion pub on 78th street that was probably there for at least 30 years, is or has been converted to .. .you guessed it a bank. Makes me sad.

May 23rd, 2008, 07:47 PM
Bay Ridge’s Atlantic Yards?

By Ben Muessig
The Brooklyn Paper

May 24, 2008 (http://www.brooklynpaper.com/stories/31/21/31_21_bay_ridges_atlantic.html)

A developer’s controversial plan to build a Home Depot above a railyard on the border of Sunset Park and Bay Ridge has been abandoned until the economy rebounds.

Developer Andrew Kohen told The Brooklyn Paper this week that he can’t move forward with his 11-story building — which includes the 100,000-square-foot superstore, 216 apartments and office space — until the market recovers.

“We are waiting and hoping for the economic environment to improve,” said Kohen, whose project initially faced opposition from Community Board 10 because of its size.

In the end, though, the board last July approved Kohen’s plan for the corner of 62nd Street and Eighth Avenue.

But then, the economy slowed.

Kohen’s development joins a number of higher-profile projects that have stalled in the aftermath of the sub-prime mortgage crisis.

Bruce Ratner has struggled to save his ailing Atlantic Yards project near Downtown Brooklyn. The cost of the basketball arena has more than doubled to $950 million, an anchor tenant has not come forward for the iconic Miss Brooklyn tower, and the developer now says only one of his original 16 skyscrapers remains in the once $4-billion plan.

And this week, developer and mayoral candidate John Catsimatidis announced that he had eliminated affordable units in his 660-unit project on Myrtle Avenue in Fort Greene because of the credit crisis.

Nonetheless, Kohen is confident that the market will recover and he will build the Home Depot.

“I’m an optimistic person,” he said. “I always see the glass as half full.”

©2008 The Brooklyn Paper

May 28th, 2008, 09:56 PM
I have been in that church, attended a wedding there a few years back and it is gorgeous. What a shame.

I lived in Bay Ridge for 7 years back in the 80's. It is or was at least a wonder ful neighborhood and a great place to live. Slowly, however, I understand many of the places I used to frequent are being torn down or converted. Griwalds, an old fashion pub on 78th street that was probably there for at least 30 years, is or has been converted to .. .you guessed it a bank. Makes me sad.

My dad used to work in Bay Ridge for years and always considered it one of the better neighborhoods in the entire city. I checked it out last week - took a long walk up 18th ave. from 86th up to 66th. There were a few banks, yes...but the overwhelming majority of retail I saw was small-time, independently owned. Unfortunately though, there were more than a few vacant storefronts.

May 28th, 2008, 10:14 PM
You were walkin' in New Utrecht.

May 28th, 2008, 10:21 PM
I'm a moron. I mixed up Bay Ridge with Bensonhurst. I guess that's what happens when the only time you're in the borough is on the way to the airport.

May 28th, 2008, 10:34 PM
Yeah, you were closer to Bensonhurst, to the east.

The French Connection car-chase scene was filmed under the El on 86th St.

May 28th, 2008, 10:36 PM
18th Avenue isn't even close to Bay Ridge.

You were in Bensonhurst.

May 29th, 2008, 07:48 AM
You were walkin' in New Utrecht.

where is the border with dyker heights?

May 29th, 2008, 09:56 AM
I don't think too many people call it New Utrecht.

I think the commonly accepted general border between Dyker Heights and Bensonhurst is around 15th or 16th Avenues, or the D train elevated.

September 9th, 2008, 11:44 PM
And they thought that a downzoning would preserve the character of Bay Ridge.

How wrong they were. It only spreads the development around more (as I have said elsewhere before) because it is all common sense (except to the NIMBYs and City Planning).

When you can only build a smaller structure on each plot, more plots has to be redeveloped in order to meet the same demand for more new condos.

For instance, before the downzoning, one can build, say 8 stories on one plot. After the downzoning, those 8 stories has to be shaved down to 4. Four is built on one plot and another four has to be built on another. Two different plots has to be redeveloped in order to do the same job as one before the downzoning, thus hastening the change in the neighborhood character.

Instead of fighting for better, more contextual designs, they went after height and density thinking that was the problem. Bet you these people still don't get it though.

The Local: McCondos in Bay Ridge

by Lysandra Ohrstrom | September 9, 2008 (http://www.observer.com/2008/real-estate/local-bay-ridge)

It's been over three years since the city passed a contextual rezoning of Bay Ridge to limit "out-of-character development" in the low-rise neighborhood, but tensions between nostalgic residents and developers who continue to squeeze three- and four-story apartment buildings into plots once occupied by single-family homes show no signs of abating.

The "Green Church" looks like it is slated for demolition despite the last ditch-effort of local activists; a seven-story apartment building will soon rise from the site of the Bay Ridge Funeral Parlor; and the board of the Bay Ridge Jewish Center is shopping for a buyer.

To Bay Ridge lifers like Steven Diahy, these developments and the squat, tightly packed generic brick buildings scattered among the rowhouses off Third and Fourth avenues signal the neighborhood's transition from a sleepy, suburban community into a mini-Manhattan, and, equally important, make finding a parking spot nearly impossible.

Mr. Diahy still lives with his mother Lorraine in the house he grew up in on 77th Street between Third and Fourth avenues, which she bought from her mother 49 years ago.

He used to know everyone on the block, he said, but over the years his elderly neighbors have passed away and their homes have been sold. A gleaming, nine-unit McCondo has replaced two single-family homes down the street that had fallen into disrepair, but still sold for upward of $900,000 so they could be demolished, Mr. Diahy said. Though he doesn't fault the sellers or the young couples who have moved in, he is "not very happy" about the building itself.

"It's an eyesore, first of all," Mr. Diahy said on Sunday evening. "And, if you take down two houses and put nine in their place, you don't have parking for all of them."

Whether or not the apartment buildings are to blame, Mr. Diahy, like many other people born and bred in Bay Ridge, misses the smalltown of his childhood.

"We were just telling my brother's kids about how all the kids in the neighborhood used to play stickball in the street when we were young," Mr. Diahy said. "Now all the kids are inside playing those electronic games. The whole neighborhood thing is really changing."

OTHER LOCALS FOCUS ON the quality of life issues the condo development boom has exacerbated. In an incident heavily covered in the local media last September, the Basile Group enraged residents of 74th Street when it reneged on its pledge to restore three century-old Victorian homes on the block, and demolished them to make way for five three-unit townhouses occupying nearly every inch of the subsequent site's16,200-square-feet of usable space.

The Basile Group owns seven other condo buildings in Bay Ridge, according to The Brooklyn Eagle, which locals have dubbed "Feders" because their most distinctive architectural attribute are the Feders, air conditioning units jutting from the windows.

A 28-year resident of 74th Street accused the construction crews of placing buckets of cement or building materials in parking spots in front of the construction site at 318-334 74th Street to block other cars from parking, and endangering the safety of the multiple elderly and disabled residents of the block by obstructing the sidewalk with exposed building material.

She would not allow her name to appear in this story because she "did not want to get in trouble with the contractors" at the site and provoke a "flat tire" or something.

Her neighbor, John, said he had called 311 early Sunday, because the fence surrounding the construction at the Basile Group's site had collapsed. By Sunday night, it had not been repaired.

Joseph Cerrano, a project manager at Basile, was reluctant to comment, but did say that “nine times out of 10 we have permits from the [Department of Transportation] to occupy spots in front of our projects.”

The Corcoran broker for the 74th Street condos would not comment. Though the McCondo boom has certainly strained Bay Ridge's infrastructure, some preservationists are loath to compromise to accommodate the needs of a new population drawn by the boom.

Nancy Morgan, who lives on 80th Street between Fifth and Sixth avenues with her husband, the Reverend Craig Miller of Our Saviour Lutheran Church in Bay Ridge, played a leading role in the neighborhood rezoning a few years ago. She appears to have distanced herself from local preservationists since then.

"There is a delicate balance of needing to supply housing so that the local population is not priced out of the city, versus making sure that a neighborhood's buses, subways, and parking can accommodate more people," she said on her front porch.

"A lot of the activists in the neighborhood don't want things to change, which is impossible; but I don't see anyone working to find solutions to ease the pressure, like building new parking garages."

© 2008 Observer Media Group

September 23rd, 2008, 05:24 PM
Brooklyn Daily Eagle

New Markets Also on The Shelf for Bay Ridge

by Harold Egeln (edit@brooklyneagle.net (edit@brooklyneagle.net)), published online 09-22-2008 (livecall:09-22-2008)

New Key Food and Food Co-op in Works

By Harold Egeln
Brooklyn Daily Eagle

BAY RIDGE – Bay Ridge shoppers, who lost a Key Food in June, could be singing “food, glorious food” as they await a new Key Food supermarket, a Bay Ridge Food Co-op and a city Greenmarket. But there will soon be one less Starbucks in Bay Ridge.

Two of these items on the food shoppers’ list were discussed at the Community Board 10 meeting at the Shore Hill Community Room. The proposed Bay Ridge Food Co-op, with much initial fanfare and excitement, is moving along.

More long-range planning is needed with public input, said David Marangio, a co-op spokesperson at the meeting, informing the board that the group “is doing a lot of outreach in a variety of forms for this healthy and affordable option.” About 100 people have become involved, he said, in the three months since the initial meeting.

The fledging co-op plans two informational and outreach tables, with face-painting for children, at the Third Avenue Festival on Sunday, Sept. 28, one in the ‘70s and the other in the ‘90s street blocks. The group meets at the Bay Ridge Public Library, on Ridge Boulevard at 73rd Street, the first and third Tuesdays of the month at 6:30 p.m. through October.

Key Food and Walgreens

After Councilman Vincent Gentile’s report on various issues, Board 10 member Helen Sokoloski asked him about the status of the Walgreens moving into the old Key Food site on Third Avenue at 95th Street. She also asked him if it is true that Fairway Markets was also looking to move into Bay Ridge, at the site of the current Staples on Fifth Avenue at 94th Street.

“I was told that the interior renovation at the old Key Food store will begin in January and finished by June. They’re probably looking to a June 2009 opening,” Gentile said of Walgreens’ plans. The store is now stripped empty and lit up inside night and day.

State Sen. Marty Golden established a community task force which will submit a “wish list” of necessary food items beyond what the pharmacy retail superstore Walgreens’ “Food Mart” section provides to help make up for the loss of Key Food.

The nearest supermarket is Bay Ridge’s largest and the only one with a parking lot, the Foodtown on Third Avenue between 91st and 92nd streets. There are Associated and Food City supermarkets up north on the avenue. Sokoloski also asked when the now overcrowded Foodtown would be expanded.

“Foodtown is still working things out with the city’s Board of Standards and Appeals for its planned 9,000-square-foot expansion. There is a zoning issue involved,” Gentile said. Foodtown owners had purchased the former Loft and Short Ribs restaurant building at the corner of Third Avenue and 91st Street.

As for rumors that were circulating on the Bay Ridge gossip circuit about a Fairway Market or Grand Union seeking to move into the Staples superstore, Gentile squashed the talk. “I called Staples and it’s not going to happen,” said a board member, with Gentile confirming that. A 24-hour Grand Union occupied the site until Staples moved in during the 1990s.
The new Key Food for northern Bay Ridge on Bay Ridge Avenue (69th Street) at the site of a vacant home furnishings store west of Third plans to open within a few weeks. Its manager, who owns a Key Food on Kings Highway, is in charge and his supermarket provides deliveries for Bay Ridge.

There was no news on the proposed city Greenmarket for Bay Ridge, although Greenmarket NYC officials have mentioned that an announcement of a site is imminent. The pastor rejected a site at Our Lady of Angels parking lot.

Who’s on Third? Not Starbucks

Despite a petition campaign by the “Starbucks On Third” group to prevent its closing, the Starbucks at 8414 Third Ave. will be down to its “last drop” on Sept. 26, its last day of operation.

A letter and petition with 247 signatures was submitted to Starbucks corporate headquarters in Seattle opposing the closing. The site is one of 10 to be closed in the city and the only one in Brooklyn.
On the block opposite Starbucks is the popular Caffe Café at the corner of 84th Street, in operation since the mid-1990s. Bay Ridge has other Starbucks on Third Avenue at 75th and 92nd streets, and on 86th Street just east of Fifth Avenue.

© Brooklyn Daily Eagle 2008

September 23rd, 2008, 07:05 PM
Touched by the Hand of God: Green Church is Almost History

Tuesday, September 23, 2008, by Robert
Bay Ridge's Green Church, which has been one of the New York City churches at the center of preservation fights, is nearly done. Demolition permits were issued last week (http://www.bayridgerover.com/2008/09/demolition-approved-no-stay-for-green.html) for the 109-year-old church, which will be torn down and replaced by a 72-unit condo development and a smaller church building. Early demolition work has been covered in detail by Bay Ridge blogs, and the replacement plans—by Bricolage Designs—have not yet been approved by the Department of Buildings. A number of proposals for saving the church were rejected by the congregation. On the bright side, at least St. Brigid's (http://curbed.com/archives/2008/09/12/hold_that_miracle.php) in the East Village and St. Saviour's (http://curbed.com/archives/2008/05/09/and_now_st_saviours_deconstructoporn.php) in Queens made it.
· Demolition Approved: No Stay for Green Church (http://www.bayridgerover.com/2008/09/demolition-approved-no-stay-for-green.html) [Bay Ridge Rover]
· Green Church Bulletin (http://bayridgejournal.blogspot.com/2008/09/green-church-bulletin_22.html) [Bay Ridge Journal]
· 'Hail Mary' for Brooklyn's Threatened Green Church? (http://curbed.com/archives/2008/06/03/hail_mary_for_brooklyns_threatened_green_church.ph p) [Curbed]

September 27th, 2008, 06:29 AM
Bay Ridge

At a Church With No Future, a Memento of the Past

By JAKE MOONEY (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/m/jake_mooney/index.html?inline=nyt-per)
Published: September 26, 2008

SOMEDAY soon, it now seems almost certain, a church will be razed in Brooklyn. Bay Ridge United Methodist Church, on Fourth Avenue, has been empty on Sundays for months, and the demolition permits are in place.

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2008/09/28/nyregion/28church.large.jpgJeremy M. Lange for The New York Times
Embedded in a cornerstone, a possible whiff of better days.

There will be lamentations, and maybe tears, but the controversy surrounding the church has always had a twist: It is the congregants who are most eager to see it go, arguing that maintenance costs for the 108-year-old building are too high and that the money is better spent elsewhere.

Neighborhood activists, then, have always had limited options when it comes to fighting to preserve the church. And now some of them are focused on the much narrower goal of saving a time capsule that is embedded in the cornerstone, according to an 1899 article about the church’s construction in The Brooklyn Daily Eagle.

To some, the pictures and documents in the time capsule are little comfort in the face of the disappearance of a neighborhood fixture.

Others say that even a little preservation counts.

“If we’re losing all this history, I’m just pushing and reaching out so that we can save something,” said Ron Gross, a member of the Senator Street Historic District who lives nearby. “I think we need to focus on what we can save, rather than on what is being lost.”

What would be saved, according to the article in The Eagle, is a copper box containing a Bible, a hymnal, lists of church committee members, a photograph of an early local Methodist pioneer, a church history and pictures of the congregation’s past church buildings.

The Rev. Robert Emerick, the church’s pastor, said congregants were already focused on the church’s next home, one that would be smaller, more environmentally friendly and financed with money raised by selling the land under the current church to a developer.

The tensions from the battle over preserving the church have not disappeared. Mr. Gross, who discovered the article about the time capsule online — and who still thinks the congregants did not give enough consideration to proposals to save the building — wonders why it is outsiders like himself, not church members, who are most intent on preserving the congregation’s history.

Of the newspaper account, he said: “It’s public knowledge. It’s on the Internet and you could have looked for it. It’s just that no one ever did.”

Mr. Emerick, meanwhile, described the focus on the capsule as “really more harassment than historical intent,” and said that only church members have a right to dictate a congregation’s policy. “Their engagement with us began with this notion that they were going to tell us what to do and that we were wrong about the building,” he said.

Still, he didn’t rule out the time capsule’s recovery.

“We’ll tell the demolition company that we’d like to see if it’s there,” Mr. Emerick said. “We have a rough idea where it would be, if it’s there. So we’re expecting to be able to look for it. But again, we don’t want folks to think it’s their business. It’s really the congregation’s business.”


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November 3rd, 2008, 04:21 PM
NY Times

A Greenmarket, With a Clock Ticking

Ramin Talaie for The New York Times
Harold Naupari, selling vegetables to a customer at a market that may be gone by the spring.

Published: October 31, 2008

FOR years, residents of Bay Ridge, Brooklyn, have complained about a dearth of fresh produce in the neighborhood, and the problem seemed to only worsen in June with the closing of a Key Food on Third Avenue and 94th Street.

So when word spread that a farmers’ market would open on Oct. 4 in the parking lot of the shuttered Key Food, much rejoicing ensued.

The joy may prove short-lived. Three days before the market opened, an article in The Brooklyn Paper said that come January, the farmers and beekeepers would have to clear out or shut down to make way for a Walgreens drugstore.

Michael Hurwitz, director of the city’s Greenmarket program, is hoping to persuade Walgreens to let the farmers stick around. At the same time, a number of local residents have rallied to save the market.

David Marangio, a real estate agent, offered to help the farmers find a new location in the neighborhood. He has scouted a property on Shore Road, near the Belt Parkway. “Wherever it is,” he said, “it will be the destination.”

Mr. Marangio, a native of neighboring Dyker Heights, moved to Bay Ridge three years ago after a sojourn in the Hudson Valley. Upon arriving, he was disappointed to find that many of the talismans of his Brooklyn childhood — the pork store, the pasta store — had been replaced by supermarkets and one-stop groceries. Like many of his friends, Mr. Marangio often found himself trooping off to the farmers’ market in Union Square.

As the search for a permanent site continued, local residents were relishing what it would be like to have a Greenmarket permanently. On a recent Saturday, Mr. Marangio showed up just before 8 a.m. and bought a rib-eye steak and a bunch of beets. He went home, prepared lunch, and returned a few hours later for buckwheat honey, heirloom tomatoes, buffalo mozzarella, a whole-grain baguette and a minty Peruvian herb called wakatay.
Later, as the last vendors to call it a day stowed away their tables, Mr. Marangio dropped by the market for a third visit. He and his neighbors are trying to form a Bay Ridge food co-op, and some of his associates had been distributing surveys to gauge interest in the project. After picking up a stack of surveys, Mr. Marangio struck up a conversation with Harold Naupari, a farmer who lives in Jackson Heights, Queens, and commutes each day to 10 family-owned acres in Goshen, N.Y.

Mr. Naupari sells tomatoes, corn, squash and beets, among other items. Asked to identify his wares, he began rattling off the names of vegetables. Mr. Marangio chimed in: “Huge, beautiful leeks!”
And he added: “There’s no way this market won’t reopen in the spring. I’ll have the guys come to my house and sell at my house, whatever it is.”

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December 2nd, 2008, 04:13 AM

November 28, 2008

Eminent Domain in Bay Ridge (http://www.brownstoner.com/brownstoner/archives/2008/11/eminent_domain_5.php)


On 4th Avenue in the 80s, the School Construction Authority hopes to put a 480-seat school to help alleviate crowding at PS 104 and 185. Only problem: private citizens own the property. So the possibility of eminent domain is being invoked, the first time many folks can remember it being used for a school (though surely preferable to some than using it for private development). The property owners had other plans in mind. "The possibility of eminent domain - which is typically used for projects that would benefit the public - has put plans for a grocery store and medical center on hold for the swath of Fourth Ave. between 88th and 89th Sts," writes the NY Daily News (http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/brooklyn/2008/11/28/2008-11-28_eminent_domain_cloud_darkens_bay_ridge_n-1.html). Since a grocery store or medical center can be classified as good for the public, too, that clouds the argument that a school is the property's most beneficial incaration. Matthew Brinckerhoff, a lawyer who has worked on eminent domain issues at Atlantic Yards, agrees a school is a "quintessential public use," but says "[the School Construction Authority] should target a spot that doesn't already have another public purpose in mind."

Eminent Domain Cloud Darkens Bay Ridge Neighborhood (http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/brooklyn/2008/11/28/2008-11-28_eminent_domain_cloud_darkens_bay_ridge_n-1.html) [NY Daily News]

January 13th, 2011, 01:03 AM
Should be landmarked.

Building of the Day: 7200 Ridge Boulevard

Flagg Court. 7200 Ridge Blvd, Bay Ridge. Ernest Flagg, architect. 1933-36.

Entrance to the courtyard.

The courtyard at Flagg Court. There are 6 buildings in the complex.

The interior windows, facing the courtyard at Flagg Court.

Another view of the towers of Flagg Court, facing the courtyard.

Address: 7200 Ridge Blvd, between 72nd and 73rd Streets
Name: Flagg Court
Neighborhood: Bay Ridge
Year Built: 1933-1936
Architectural Style: Moderne
Architect: Ernest Flagg
Landmarked: No

Why chosen: Ernest Flagg was one of the early 20th century’s pre-eminent architects. Born in 1857, he lived until the age of 90, dying in 1947. This apartment complex is his last major work, designed when he was 76. It shows the innovation of a man who made his fame and fortune designing mostly Beaux-Arts style buildings for the industrialists and self-made men of the Gilded Age. A cousin by marriage to Cornelius Vanderbilt II, he received his formal education at the Ecole des Beaux-Arts in Paris, sponsored by Vanderbilt. Coming back to NYC, he opened a firm with several partners, and began designing the classically inspired buildings that brought him fame and fortune. Among them, the original St. Luke’s Hospital, two buildings and a mansion for Charles Scribner, book publisher, including the beautiful building at 597 5th Ave, between 48th and 49th St.

He designed the Corcoran Art Gallery in Washington, DC, and designed several important buildings for the Singer (sewing machine) family, including the Singer Building, now demolished, for a while the tallest building in the world, the Little Singer building, still on Broadway in Soho, and the Towers, a huge “castle” for the Singer family on an island in the St. Lawrence, one of the 1000 Islands.

Throughout his career, Flagg was an advocate for intelligent zoning restrictions. He believed that setbacks, and restrictions on height were necessary for light and air to reach all parts of a building. This concept is most excellently illustrated in Flagg Court. The six contiguous buildings in the complex are grouped around a large central court, and every apartment’s large windows either face the street or the courtyard. The apartment windows were designed with reversible fans under each window, and outside window shades that could be drawn against the heat, both long gone. He also designed the apartments with concrete ceiling slabs, now an everyday practice. The complex also had an auditorium of vaulted concrete.

Today, Flagg Court is a very successful co-op, and is still a beautiful example of intelligent urban multi-family living. Flagg's principles have been copied in countless examples since, including in public housing, but these buildings, in spite of their density and repetition, maintain a lightness that public housing, in particular, does not share. Theories?


January 13th, 2011, 06:50 PM
I don't know, Merry -- if this were to be landmarked, no developer would be able to tear it down for the sake of a massive dirt pit, as happened with the Methodist church :rolleyes:

January 13th, 2011, 08:08 PM
And when that pit does eventually gets built upon, it'll be some Fedders eyesore.

What a crappy city this has become.