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BrooklynRider
August 24th, 2005, 05:20 PM
Pat Robertson, CBN Anchor and host of the wildly popular and factually inaccurate 700 Club, called for the assassination (i.e. MURDER) of the president of Venezuela. What makes his issuance of this "fatwa" different than any muslim extremist? How do we differentiate him from the definition of "terrorist" that our government has issued? Should he be sent to Gitmo? Or, would you prefer Abu Guhraib?

If there was a Crusade today who would win, Christians or Muslims?

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August 24, 2005
Robertson Suggests U.S. Kill Venezuela's Leader
By LAURIE GOODSTEIN

Pat Robertson, the conservative Christian broadcaster, has attracted attention over the years for lambasting feminists, "activist" judges, the United Nations and Disneyland.

Now Mr. Robertson has set off an international firestorm by saying on his television show that the United States should kill the Venezuelan president, Hugo Chávez, a leftist whose country has the largest oil reserves outside the Middle East.

"If he thinks we're trying to assassinate him, I think that we really ought to go ahead and do it," Mr. Robertson said Monday on his show, "The 700 Club." "It's a whole lot cheaper than starting a war. And I don't think any oil shipments will stop."

Yesterday Mr. Robertson's statements were denounced by both the State Department and by Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld. In Caracas, he was criticized by the vice president of Venezuela, and in Havana by President Fidel Castro.

Vice President José Vicente Rangel of Venezuela said: "This is a huge hypocrisy to maintain an antiterrorist line and at the same time have such terrorist statements as these made by Christian preacher Pat Robertson coming from the same country."

Mr. Rumsfeld dismissed Mr. Robertson's remark on assassination, saying: "Certainly it's against the law. Our department doesn't do that type of thing." He added, "Private citizens say all kinds of things all the time."

Sean McCormack, a State Department spokesman, called Mr. Robertson's comments "inappropriate."

Mr. Robertson, who is 75, ran for president as a Republican in 1988. He has often used his show and the political advocacy group he founded, the Christian Coalition, to support President Bush.

Bernardo Álvarez, the Venezuelan ambassador in Washington, said: "Mr. Robertson has been one of the president's staunchest allies. His statement demands the strongest condemnation by the White House."

Some of Mr. Robertson's allies distanced themselves from his comments. The Rev. Rob Schenck, president of the National Clergy Council, released a statement saying Mr. Robertson should "immediately apologize, retract his statement and clarify what the Bible and Christianity teaches about the permissibility of taking human life outside of law."

The Rev. Richard Cizik of the National Association of Evangelicals said he and "most evangelical leaders" would disassociate themselves from such "unfortunate and particularly irresponsible" comments.

"It complicates circumstances for foreign missionaries and Christian aid workers overseas who are already perceived, wrongly, especially by leftists and other leaders, as collaborators with U.S. intelligence agencies," Mr. Cizik added.

But other conservative Christian organizations remained silent, with leaders at the Traditional Values Coalition, the Family Research Council and the Christian Coalition saying they were too busy to comment.

A spokeswoman for Mr. Robertson said yesterday that he was not giving interviews and had no further comment.

The Rev. Jesse Jackson called for the Federal Communications Commission to investigate, just as it did when Janet Jackson's breast was exposed in the Super Bowl broadcast in 2004. "This is even more threatening to hemispheric stability than the flash of a breast on television during a ballgame," Mr. Jackson said.

One liberal watchdog group, Media Matters for America, sent a letter urging the ABC Family network to stop carrying Mr. Robertson's show. Another group, Americans United for Separation of Church and State, asked Mr. Bush to repudiate Mr. Robertson personally.

Mr. Robertson's show is broadcast by ABC Family, which agreed to televise it as part of the deal it made in 2001 to buy Fox Family Worldwide, which previously broadcast it.

In a statement yesterday, ABC Family said the company was "contractually obligated to air 'The 700 Club' and has no editorial control over views expressed by the hosts or guests." It added, "ABC Family strongly rejects the views expressed by Pat Robertson."

Mr. Chávez, who won office in 1998, has become the Bush administration's most vocal antagonist in Latin America, accusing Mr. Bush of terrorism for the Iraq war and of trying to impoverish developing countries by pushing market reforms. Mr. Chávez has often accused the United States of trying to assassinate him. The White House welcomed a coup against him in April 2002, but Mr. Chávez quickly regained power.

Yesterday, Mr. Chávez was visiting Mr. Castro in Havana, and shrugged off Mr. Robertson's comments. But Mr. Castro said of the Robertson remark, "I think only God can punish crimes of such magnitude."

Mr. Robertson's comments immediately followed a segment about Venezuela. Speaking live in the studio, Mr. Robertson said Mr. Chávez had "destroyed the Venezuelan economy" and was turning the country into "a launching pad for communist infiltration and Muslim extremism."

"We have the ability to take him out," he said, "and I think the time has come that we exercise that ability. We don't need another $200 billion dollar war to get rid of one, you know, strong-arm dictator."

Mr. Robertson's television show has an audience of about one million people, according to his Web site.

Mr. Robertson has a history of getting attention for inflammatory remarks. In May he said the threat to the United States from activist judges was "probably more serious than a few bearded terrorists who fly into buildings." In 1998, he warned that hurricanes and other natural disasters would sweep down on Orlando, Fla., because gay men and lesbians were flocking to Disney World on special "gay days." And he has often denounced the United Nations as a first step toward a dangerous "one world government."

Juan Forero contributed reporting from Bogotá, Colombia, for this article.



Copyright 2005 The New York Times Company

lofter1
August 24th, 2005, 07:04 PM
Robertson is a pathetic opportunist, playing to American's most base instincts.

Now he is trying to claim that he never said what the recording shows he said ("I didn't mean assassinate Chavez, I meant kidnap him"). Either course would be illegal, but Robertson seemingly has no regard for the law.

Someone should change his diaper and put him to bed.

Ninjahedge
August 25th, 2005, 08:35 AM
Someone should "Take HIM out".

Oh, I didn't mean assasinate, there are other ways to take someone out besides killing them....

:rolleyes:

bobby fletcher
August 25th, 2005, 03:12 PM
Robertson is a pathetic opportunist, playing to American's most base instincts.

Now he is trying to claim that he never said what the recording shows he said ("I didn't mean assassinate Chavez, I meant kidnap him").
Either way it's a Fatawa from him, ain't it?

NYatKNIGHT
August 25th, 2005, 03:36 PM
What would Jesus do, assassinate Chavez or just kidnap him? Just send Pat your money and he'll pray for either, just like when he prays for more openings on the Supreme Court (read: that liberal judges die).

There's those conservative "values" again.

BrooklynRider
August 25th, 2005, 05:18 PM
I love hearing someone rail for the murder of world leaders on the ABC Family Channel.

ryan
August 25th, 2005, 05:52 PM
War and violence are cool for kids to learn about - especially black/white us/them violence where the good guys (us, duh) win and you don't have to see the dirty results. Look at GI Joe, transformers, etc. This is far from the most child-damaging thing Robertson has spewed, though the direct corrolation to Osama is particularly satisfying.

Christianity has been used to justify many wars. I can't think of one war that Christianity ended.

lofter1
August 29th, 2005, 01:18 AM
Venezuela to seek legal action against Robertson
29 Aug 2005 02:34:50 GMT
Source: Reuters

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N2886425.htm

By Matthew Robinson

CARACAS, Venezuela, Aug 28 (Reuters) - Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez said on Sunday his government would take legal action against Pat Robertson and potentially seek his extradition after the U.S. evangelist called for Washington to assassinate the South American leader.

Robertson, who later apologized for the remark, said he was expressing his frustration with Chavez's constant accusations against the administration of President George W. Bush.

"I announce that my government is going to take legal action in the United States ... to call for the assassination of a head of state is an act of terrorism." Chavez said in a televised speech.

The fiery left-wing critic of Bush's foreign policy who frequently charges the U.S. government is plotting to kill him, called Robertson "crazy" and a "public menace."

He said Venezuela could seek Robertson's extradition under international treaties and take its claim to the United Nations if the Bush administration did not act.

Robertson, the founder of the Christian Coalition and a leader of the Christian right that has backed Bush, said on Monday that if Chavez "thinks we're trying to assassinate him, I think that we really ought to go ahead and do it."

U.S. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said political assassination was against the law and was not U.S. policy.

Relations between Chavez and the United States, the top buyer of the OPEC nation's oil, have deteriorated since Chavez survived a brief 2002 coup he says was backed by U.S. authorities. Washington says it is not plotting to kill Chavez and denies involvement in the coup.

Chavez said on Friday Bush would be to blame if anything happened to him. In the past, he has said Venezuela, the world's fifth-largest oil exporter, would cut sales to the United States if he was assassinated.

A close ally of communist Cuba, Chavez presents his self-proclaimed revolution as an alternative to U.S. policies in the region.

Washington says Chavez is a negative influence who uses oil profits to fund anti-democratic groups in South America while becoming more authoritarian at home.

U.S. civil rights activist Jesse Jackson, visiting Venezuela on Sunday, called Robertson's remarks "immoral" and rejected U.S. government claims against Chavez. (Additional reporting by Tomas Sarmiento)
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Ninjahedge
August 29th, 2005, 09:39 AM
^ Funny.


Thing is, I think we probably DID have something to do with, or at least some tacit knowledge of, the attempted coup.

It would not surprise me in the least. I am not saying that Chavez is a nice guy or anything, but that is one big dirty pool of fish there. Just about every one has something in its gut that should not be there.

BrooklynRider
August 29th, 2005, 09:59 AM
The US was totally behind the coup. When they held new elections, the US government had "polls" predicting Chavez had lost by a landslide. He, in fact, had won by a landslide and, if everyone remembers, there was a very long general strike by the people to make the country accept the election results.

We need some Venezuelans in Ohio or Florida.

lofter1
August 29th, 2005, 10:08 AM
On the day of the coup I saw Republican pollster / linguist / Orwellian-double-speaker Frank Luntz on the TV cheering the coup. The reporter asked him how he had so much info, and Luntz basically said "If I gave you that info then I'd have to kill you", the standard CIA-type of repsonse meaning "I know a lot, but not gonna tell".

The coup was backed by our tax money and was an utter failure.

The reason for the desired coup: oil (and possibly the "war" on cocaine, although cocaine is always the excuse used to cover up some other reason).

ZippyTheChimp
August 29th, 2005, 10:17 AM
Chavez and Robertson should be assassinated.

BrooklynRider
August 29th, 2005, 10:40 AM
I like Chavez. I guess its my socialist leanings...

Ninjahedge
August 29th, 2005, 10:57 AM
Hey, lets get them both in the Octagon....


I think Pat has a chance...... IN HELL!!!!

TLOZ Link5
August 29th, 2005, 03:07 PM
So when is Robertson going to be deported?

lofter1
October 9th, 2005, 06:53 PM
Robertson: Disasters point to 2nd Coming


Evangelist observes quakes, hurricanes 'starting to hit with amazing regularity'


By Joe Kovacs
October 9, 2005
© 2005 WorldNetDaily.com

http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=46737


This weekend's catastrophic earthquake in South Asia in the wake of recent U.S. hurricanes and December's tsunami is catching the eye of televangelist Pat Robertson, who says we "might be" in the End Times described in the Bible.

"These things are starting to hit with amazing regularity," Robertson said on CNN's "Late Edition."

Robertson, a former GOP presidential candidate and host of the "700 Club" daily Christian TV show (http://www.cbn.com/), noted, "If you read back in the Bible, the letter of the apostle Paul to the church of Thessalonia, he said that in the latter days before the end of the age that the Earth would be caught up in what he called the birth pangs of a new order. And for anybody who knows what it's like to have a wife going into labor, you know how these labor pains begin to hit. I don't have any special word that says this is that, but it could be suspiciously like that."

"What was called the blessed hope of the Bible is that one day Jesus Christ would come back again, start a whole new era, that this world order that we know would change into something that would be wonderful that we'd call the millennium," he continued. "And before that good time comes there will be some difficult days and there will be likened to what a woman goes through in labor just before she brings forth a child."

When asked if the world was approaching that moment, Robertson said, "It's possible. I don't have any special revelation to say it is but the Bible does indicate such a time will happen in the end of time. And could this be it? It might be."

Hurricane Katrina left more than 1,200 people dead in the Gulf Coast region of the U.S., while the rising death toll from this weekend's earthquake in Pakistan, Afghanistan and India is in the 30,000 range. Dec. 26, some 275,000 people lost their lives from a tsunami sparked by an undersea earthquake in the Indian Ocean.

Some New Testament verses often cited by Christians regarding signs of the end of this present age before the return of Jesus to Earth include:

"For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. All these are the beginning of sorrows." (Matthew 24:7-8) (http://www.blueletterbible.org/tmp_dir/popup/1128886723-4913.html#6)
"And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;" (Luke 21:25). (http://www.blueletterbible.org/tmp_dir/popup/1128887013-8125.html#24)Robertson isn't the only one raising the End Times issue, as author and WorldNetDaily columnist Hal Lindsey (http://worldnetdaily.com/news/archives.asp?AUTHOR_ID=12) has weighed in.

"It seems clear that the prophetic times I have been expecting for decades have finally arrived. And even worse, it appears that the judgment of America has begun," Lindsey said on the Sept. 9 broadcast of the "International Intelligence Briefing" on the Trinity Broadcasting Network. "I warn continually that the last days lineup of world powers does not include anything resembling the United States of America. Instead, a revived Roman Empire in Europe is to rule the West, and then the world. "

As WND reported last month, Robertson suggested the assassination of Venezuelan leader Hugo Chavez (http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=45916).

"We have the ability to take him out, and I think the time has come that we exercise that ability," he said, but later backed away from the suggestion of assassination after an uproar of criticism.

But he revisited his concerns about Chavez today, telling CNN, "The truth is, this man is setting up a Marxist-type dictatorship in Venezuela, he's trying to spread Marxism throughout South America, he's negotiating with the Iranians to get nuclear material and he also sent 1.2 million dollars in cash to Osama bin Laden right after 9-11."

"I apologized and I said I will be praying for him, but one day we will be staring nuclear weapons and it won't be [Hurricane] Katrina facing New Orleans, it's going to be a Venezuelan nuke," Robertson said. When asked where he got the information about cash going from Chavez to bin Laden, Robertson said it was from "sources."

"That's what I was told. And I know he sent a warm, congratulatory letter to Carlos the Jackal. He's a friend of Moammar Gadhafi. He's made common cause with these people who are considered terrorists."

ryan
October 10th, 2005, 12:16 AM
I like to check the rapture index (http://www.raptureready.com/rap2.html) after the weather each morning. You know... is today an umbrella day, or a holy water and rosaries day?

BrooklynRider
October 10th, 2005, 12:17 AM
It's time for someone to take this guy out....


TV evangelist renews Chavez attacks
From correspondents in Washington
October 10, 2005

PROMINENT US TV evangelist Pat Robertson has accused Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez of giving Osama bin Laden $US1.2 million after the September 11 attacks and of trying to obtain nuclear material from Iran.

Mr Robertson caused uproar in August when he called during his televised religious program for the US government to assassinate Chavez. He later was forced to apologise to the leftist leader.

But the conservative preacher issued a new denunciation of Chavez yesterday, local time, in an interview with CNN.

"The truth is, this man is setting up a Marxist-type dictatorship in Venezuela, he's trying to spread Marxism throughout South America, he's negotiating with the Iranians to get nuclear material and he also sent $US1.2 million in cash to Osama bin Laden right after 9/11," Mr Robertson said.

"I apologised and I said I will be praying for him, but one day we will be staring nuclear weapons and it won't be (Hurricane) Katrina facing New Orleans, it's going to be a Venezuelan nuke," Mr Robertson said.

"So my suggestion was, isn't it a lot cheaper sometimes to deal with these problems before you have to have a big war," he added.

Asked how he had obtained information on Chavez giving money to bin Laden, Robertson said: "Sources that came to me. That's what I was told."

"And I know he sent a warm congratulatory letter to Carlos the Jackal, he's a friend of Muammar Gaddafi," he said. "He's made common cause with these people that are considered terrorists."

The Australian 2005

BrooklynRider
October 12th, 2005, 01:55 PM
Here's some more cud for Robertson to chew...


October 11, 2005
Three Alaska Volcanoes Showing Signs of Unrest
By REUTERS
Filed at 9:07 p.m. ET

ANCHORAGE, Alaska (Reuters) - Anchorage residents could see a cloud of steam over the weekend from a volcano 75 miles away -- one of three Alaska volcanoes showing signs of unrest.

The three volcanoes, including two located on remote Aleutian islands distant from any population centers, are setting off frer the weekend.

The volcano has had periodic but minor ash emissions and some debris flow caused by melted snow, said Dave Schneider, a U.S. Geological Survey volcanologist and acting scientist-in-charge at the Alaska Volcano Observatory.

Ash emissions ``are a lot easier to see now than they were in the summer because you have fresh snow,'' Schneider said.

Cleveland Volcano, which comprises the western half of uninhabited Chuginadak Island, last erupted in 2001. The closest community, 45 miles to the east, is Nikolski, an Aleut village of 36 people.

The other volcano showing unrest is 5,925-footTanaga Volcano.

A series of eruptions in 1992 showered Anchorage and the surrounding region with ash, forcing a brief closure of Anchorage International Airport.



Copyright 2005 Reuters Ltd

redhot00
October 12th, 2005, 02:33 PM
I like to check the rapture index (http://www.raptureready.com/rap2.html) after the weather each morning. You know... is today an umbrella day, or a holy water and rosaries day?

Your post is a little innacurate although I know it's in jest...but Catholics don't believe in Rapture, and Protestants don't believe in Holy Water and Rosaries. There is a slight contradiction. No Catholic would take a Rapture website seriously.

ryan
October 12th, 2005, 03:48 PM
As an atheist, it's all a jumble of superstition and bs. Thank you for taking me seriously.

lofter1
November 21st, 2005, 07:03 PM
Pat Robertson Displays Satanic 'El Diablo' Sign During 700 Club Show

So-called Christian voice of America also soft-peddles big brother surveillance society

Paul Joseph Watson & Steve Watson | November 18 2005 (http://www.prisonplanet.com/index.html)
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/november2005/181105eldiablo.htm


Pat Robertson, the so-called voice of Christian America, has again been caught 'El Diablo red handed' flashing occult and satanic hand signals during his show.

During Thursday morning's 700 Club program Robertson could clearly be seen displaying the El Diablo hand gesture towards the end of the broadcast.

To fans of UT football El Diablo simply means 'Hook 'em Horns' but it is also used by Satanists as a form of communication.

The gesture represents the horned devil, also known as the sign of Il Cornuto and Diabolicus and was fully embraced by modern day Satanic cults. It is now seen as a trendy thing to do amongst heavy metal and goth fans. They see it as a sign of rebellion against the establishment, which couldn't be further from the truth.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/images/november2005/181105sign1.jpg

Headlines were made last year during Bush's inauguration when the President and his family repeatedly flashed the sign. US media brushed aside the matter, saying it was in the context of supporting UT Longhorns. However, Europeans were shocked (http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/january2005/210105handgesture.htm) and interpreted the gesture as a salute to Satan.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/images/november2005/181105robertson.jpg

Here is a still of Robertson flashing the signal. Click here (http://www.prisonplanet.com/video/181105robertson.WMV) for a video montage of the show, which includes Roberts' comments on biometric finger scanning to enter schools and the big brother society, an issue we will explore later.

Robertson talks about feeling heat and fire and utters 'Jesus' under his breath moments before he flashes the sign. This is in the context of Robertson trying to relay power from 'his God' to heal his supporters' physical ailments.
First of all it is necessary to remind ourselves of Robertson's previous decidedly un-Christian activities.

In April 2001 Robertson supported China's brutal policy of forced abortion (http://capmag.com/article.asp?ID=507) and said that the Communist country was "doing what they have to do" in keeping population numbers down. It is not Christian to advocate even voluntary abortion on the part of the mother, never mind such a tyrannical model of forced abortion as part of a wider eugenics agenda.

Whenever the subject of implantable chips has been raised on the 700 Club, Robertson has whitewashed the issue, saying that it doesn't represent the mark of the beast and that Christians should not be concerned about it. This directly contradicts the Bible and Revelations.

Earlier this year Robertson caused waves when he advocated the assassination (http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2005-08-22-robertson-_x.htm) of Venezuelan populist president Hugo Chavez. In doing so Robertson is nailing his colors to the wall as a firm minion of the New World Order. Chavez has rallied against the Globalists at every turn, including his recent spat with Vincente Fox and his rejection of the FTAA (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4438876.stm).

Returning to the El Diablo hand gesture, should it worry us that other Christian preachers have also been photographed flashing the sign? Texe Marrs has been instrumental in bringing this to light and some examples from his book Codex Magica (http://store.yahoo.com/infowars-shop/temacoma.html) can be seen below.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/images/november2005/181105a.jpg

http://www.prisonplanet.com/images/november2005/181105d.jpg

The gesture was embraced by Satanic cults and the Church of Satan's leader Anton Lavay as seen below.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/images/november2005/181105ElDiablo.jpg

http://www.prisonplanet.com/images/november2005/181105LaveyAnton.jpg

A collage of other examples of politicians and media personalities flashing the symbol can be found on this page (http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/january2005/210105devilhand.htm).

We do not claim that every example is evidence that the person worships Satan but there is enough material to indicate that something very disturbing is taking place.

Even if you don't believe in good and evil or God and Satan, the elitists do. Bohemian Grove (http://www.prisonplanet.com/archive_bohemian_grove.html) and Skull and Bones (http://www.prisonplanet.tv/audio/091204skullandbones.htm) are proof that the elite think that engaging in occult practices enhances their power. We did not set out to connect the occult with the Globalists' overall agenda, it just seems that they converge every time we look at it.

Experts in the occult have come to the conclusion that flashing the El Diablo sign is an attempt on the part of the individual to draw further power from 'their God' because the Globalists are losing their influence over world events and the natural yearning for truth and liberty is stalling their agenda.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/images/november2005/181105robertson2.jpg

Here is another photo of Pat Robertson giving an occult gesture, this time the Masonic Sign of Fellow Craft, or the Devil's Claw, in a front page photo shoot for Time Magazine on February 17th 1986.

We will now move on to discuss Robertson's comments on big brother and the surveillance society.

Even if you disbelieve all the evidence about hand gestures and occultism, Robertson's advocacy of a high tech slave grid should have everyone worried.

Robertson is asked for his response to a mother who is concerned about her child's school instituting biometric finger scanners. Robertson states,
"Like it or not big brother is on your case all the time and we're gonna have our eyes, the iris scanned, all kinds of things these days for identification to make sure you're not some bad guy with a bomb."

"I really don't think that that's terribly intrusive to have somebody have a scan of their finger anymore than it is to ask for fingerprints."

"I don't think you'd have much success in convincing anybody that was too much intrusion."

Since when did we all become criminals, guilty until proven innocent? Since when did children have to scan their finger like felons to enter their school?
How is an action that is associated with criminals not an intrusion?

If Jesus had lived in an age of technology should he have been made to finger scan to kick the money changers out of the temple? It wouldn't have happened because Jesus would have been treated like one of those "bad guys with a bomb."

Robertson's agenda is clear, he is trying to switch off the concerns of mainstream Christian America to the expanding Orwellian surveillance society. Robertson directly contradicts the Bible and every commonly understood Christian value.

Robertson misrepresents the very ethic of what it means to be a Christian.
This only succeeds in demonizing Christianity as a whole and turning people away from faith.

Christians should take a long hard considered look at Robertson's penchant for flashing Satanic symbology and support of forced abortion. Non-Christians should be alarmed by his bloodthirsty willingness to kill and his total disregard of the bill of rights, privacy and freedom in America.

We are deeply concerned about the whole gannet of Robertson's actions and will continue to expose him for the fake Farisee Christian, George Bush New World Order worshipping, arrogant hypocrite that he is.

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Related: Codex Magica: Secret Signs, Mysterious Symbols, and Hidden Codes of the Illuminati by Texe Marrs (http://store.yahoo.com/infowars-shop/temacoma.html)
(http://prisonplanet.tv/subscribe.html)

Ninjahedge
November 22nd, 2005, 01:38 PM
*cough*BS*cough*

TLOZ Link5
November 22nd, 2005, 01:39 PM
*cough*BS*cough*

Pat Robertson? I agree.

davidcaspian
November 22nd, 2005, 02:30 PM
Your post is a little innacurate although I know it's in jest...but Catholics don't believe in Rapture, and Protestants don't believe in Holy Water and Rosaries. There is a slight contradiction. No Catholic would take a Rapture website seriously.

No learned Christian would take the Rapture seriously.

TLOZ Link5
November 22nd, 2005, 02:47 PM
A Brief History of the Apocalypse:

http://www.abhota.info/

ryan
November 22nd, 2005, 03:41 PM
No learned Christian would take the Rapture seriously.

No learned person would take Christianity seriously.

lofter1
November 22nd, 2005, 04:45 PM
A Brief History of the Apocalypse
What a relief to see that for almost 5,000 years the Apocolypse has always been just around the corner, yet never seeming to arrive ...

***

Ninjahedge
November 22nd, 2005, 06:14 PM
Pat Robertson? I agree.

Both him and the "devil symbol".

Unless these guys flicked someone the finger, I do not see any of this crap as satanism.

Friggin secret handshake crap.

TLOZ Link5
November 22nd, 2005, 06:50 PM
It might have started as an innocuous pagan symbol that was later denounced by the early church as unholy.

Sorry, I'm reading The Da Vinci Code right now. Very cliché, I know, but it's really good.

lofter1
November 26th, 2005, 10:15 AM
http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/4990/1180/1600/fundmental.jpg

lofter1
December 1st, 2005, 09:15 AM
A fascinating video clip from "Trading Spouses" showing the reaction of one woman ("I'm a Spiritual Warrior. I had to put armor on just to walk out that house)) upon returning to her home after spending a week in a "dark-sided" household. She professes to reject the "tainted" $50,000 ("Take the money, take whatever you got and get out of my house, in Jesus' name") that the show gives to each family, but seemingly later (upon spiritual reflection?) had a change of both heart and mind:

http://media.putfile.com/Lady-Goes-Crazy-on-Trading-Spouses

Ninjahedge
December 1st, 2005, 10:01 AM
I hate that show.

What I hate more about it is the intolerant radical people they put on there to try to get a rise out of them.

Anything for the name of $$.

TLOZ Link5
December 1st, 2005, 12:24 PM
I'm pretty certain that it started as a Dave Chappelle skit.

P.S.: HOLY SH*T, that lady's insane.

TLOZ Link5
December 1st, 2005, 03:44 PM
GET OUT OF MY HOUSE IN JESUS' NAME I PRAY!!!!!!!!!11

http://home.earthlink.net/~linda.watson/images/lhj.jpg

ZippyTheChimp
December 2nd, 2005, 08:58 AM
I was worried that she might trip and fall on the little girl.

Ninjahedge
December 2nd, 2005, 09:13 AM
I was worried that she might trip and fall on the little girl.

That's how she lost her tooth in the first place.....

TLOZ Link5
December 2nd, 2005, 12:39 PM
Good thing that she ended up accepting the money. Considering that it'll go toward gastric bypass surgery, she'll likely look nothing like she does now, so no one will recognize her as the "prayer warrior."

lofter1
December 12th, 2005, 09:53 PM
Christian Fundamentalist? Terrorist? Or just A Big Fat Idiot?

http://mediamatters.org/items/200512120002

Robertson called Democratic war criticism "treason"


Summary:
Pat Robertson said that Democratic criticism of the war in Iraq "amounts to treason."On the December 7 edition of Christian Broadcasting Network's The 700 Club, host Pat Robertson, founder of the Christian Coalition of America, said Democratic criticism of the Iraq war "amounts to treason" and that "carping criticism ... just doesn't cut it."


From the December 7 edition of Christian Broadcasting Network's The 700 Club:

ROBERTSON: We've won the war already, and for the Democrats to say we can't win it -- what kind of a statement is that? And furthermore, one of the fundamental principles we have in America is that the president is the commander in chief of the armed forces and attempts to undermine the commander in chief during time of war amounts to treason.
I know we have an opportunity to express our points of view, but there is a time when we're engaged in a combat situation that carping criticism against the commander in chief just doesn't cut it. And I think that yes, we have freedom of speech -- of course we do -- but this has gone over the top and I think the Republicans are -- well, they've taken advantage.

TLOZ Link5
December 13th, 2005, 01:23 AM
War? What war? When did Congress formally declare one? This is a military action as outlined by the War Powers Act, which gives the President authority to commit troops to combat for a certain amount of time without a formal declaration of war by Congress.

Outing a CIA operative in a time of "war" is also treason. Paging Libby and Rove?

So thus, the neocons are in a bind. Either they admit that there is no war, or they admit that if Libby, et. al. were involved in Valerie Plame's outing, then they have committed treason.

In any case, let us reflect upon the wise words of a late, great Republican (yes, they exist) who would run back to the safety of his grave if he saw the state of his party today:

"To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ~ Theodore Roosevelt

Suck it dry, Robertson.

BrooklynRider
January 5th, 2006, 10:44 PM
Just when Pat was about to head off onto page two of forum posts....
When will explain why the 12 miners were punished by God?


RAWSTORY.com
January 6, 2006

Rev. Pat Robertson has claimed the deteriorating health of Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon is divine punishment for a soft stance on Israel. Sharon, who turns 78 next month, is currently believed to be in critical condition following a cerebral hemorrhage.

Robertson also pointed to the November 1995 assassination of Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin as further evidence that God is punishing leaders willing to divide Israel.

The group People for the American Way has released the following transcript of the broadcast:


"Ladies and Gentlemen I said last year that Israel was entering into the most dangerous periods of its entire existence as a nation. That is intensifying this year with the loss of Sharon. Sharon was personally a very likeable person and I am sad to see him in this condition, but I think we need to look at the Bible and the Book of Joel. The prophet Joel makes it very clear that God has enmity against those who 'divide my land.' God considers this land to be His. You read the Bible and He says 'this is my land' and for any Prime Minister of Israel who decides he is going to carve it up and give it away, God says 'no, this is mine.' I had a wonderful meeting with Yitzhak Rabin in 1974. He was tragically assassinated, it was a terrible thing that happened but nevertheless he was dead. And now Ariel Sharon who again was a very likeable person, a delightful person to be with, I prayed with him personally, but here he's at the point of death. He was dividing God's land and I would say woe unto any Prime Minister of Israel who takes a similar course to appease the EU, the United Nations, or the United States of America. God says 'this land belongs to me. You'd better leave it alone.'"
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lofter1
January 6th, 2006, 12:21 AM
I was just about to post this ^ but you beat me to it ...

When is someone going to put a sock in this fool's mouth?

btw: Does Robertson think he himself will never die?

Ninjahedge
January 6th, 2006, 08:55 AM
I was just about to post this ^ but you beat me to it ...

When is someone going to put a sock in this fool's mouth?

btw: Does Robertson think he himself will never die?

I heard God likes a good comedian.


Although I think all of us would prefer to "Let him dangle".

(Doo-doot-n-doo-dee-doot doo-dee-doot-doo)

davidcaspian
January 11th, 2006, 05:48 AM
No learned person would take Christianity seriously.

Well, that's ignorance.

But you know what, since you're not a Christian, your opinion doesn't matter; since only people of low-intelligence choose not to be Christians.

ZippyTheChimp
January 11th, 2006, 07:33 AM
...since only people of low-intelligence choose not to be Christians.Would you explain this, since you've written off many of my friends?

Do you have any non-Christian friends?

When and how did you choose to be a Christian?

Ninjahedge
January 11th, 2006, 09:15 AM
David, the mistake you just made there was countering a comment that you found degrading with nothing more than calling everyone that does not believe in your religion "stupid".


Ironic that that comment was so stupid.

If you want to contest what was said, come out and defend it. Do not insult the one who said it.

davidcaspian
January 12th, 2006, 03:34 AM
Would you explain this, since you've written off many of my friends?

Do you have any non-Christian friends?

When and how did you choose to be a Christian?

I was only displaying the same ignorance he showed to any Christian viewing this board.

Was what I said ignorant? Yes.

Was what he said equally ignorant, yes.

(and to answer your question, yes, I do have Non-Christian friends, and I choose to be a Christian every day.)

Fabrizio
January 12th, 2006, 04:09 AM
First he arrogantly insults a good portion of humanity:

"....only people of low-intelligence choose not to be Christians".

Then he proudly claims.

"I choose to be a Christian every day"

Well...there you go folks...

ZippyTheChimp
January 12th, 2006, 07:37 AM
I was only displaying the same ignorance he showed to any Christian viewing this board.That doesn't sound very Christian.

As for the rules of conduct on this forum:

Well, that's ignorance. Ignorant: uneducated, unaware.

your opinion doesn't matter; since only people of low-intelligence choose not to be Christians. low-intelligence: inability to acquire knowledge, an idiot .

The first is permitted; the second is not.

Ninjahedge
January 12th, 2006, 08:43 AM
I was only displaying the same ignorance he showed to any Christian viewing this board.

Was what I said ignorant? Yes.

Was what he said equally ignorant, yes.

(and to answer your question, yes, I do have Non-Christian friends, and I choose to be a Christian every day.)

Um, so that proves that he is somehow wrong in what he was saying?

Like I said DC, if you are insulted by what someone says, pick IT apart, not THEM and what you percieve THEM to be. It has nothing to do with disproving the arguement or statement if all you can say is "You are st00pid".



And the latest defense "Well he said something bad too!" is very lame.


Your line of reasoning is like Old Yeller, except for the fact that noone liked it to begin with. Time to put it out of its misery.

BrooklynRider
January 12th, 2006, 01:40 PM
I just want to express the hope the Pat Robertson runs for President in 2008 on the Republican ticket.

davidcaspian
January 12th, 2006, 10:47 PM
Um, so that proves that he is somehow wrong in what he was saying?

Like I said DC, if you are insulted by what someone says, pick IT apart, not THEM and what you percieve THEM to be. It has nothing to do with disproving the arguement or statement if all you can say is "You are st00pid".



And the latest defense "Well he said something bad too!" is very lame.


Your line of reasoning is like Old Yeller, except for the fact that noone liked it to begin with. Time to put it out of its misery.

What am I supposed to pick apart? He put forth no evidence to back up his claim. He simply made an ignorant comment, that he could no way prove. Just the same as I could not prove mine.

Either way, I think this whole thing is pretty hilarious; that he is allowed to say "No, learned person would take Christianity seriously," but when I say something of a similar effect, everyone is up in arms. Amusing.

davidcaspian
January 12th, 2006, 10:49 PM
low-intelligence: inability to acquire knowledge, an idiot.

So when he said, "No learned person would take Christianity seriously," that was allowed though, right? I thought so.

davidcaspian
January 12th, 2006, 10:51 PM
And the latest defense "Well he said something bad too!" is very lame.

Oh, so you admit he said something bad?

ZippyTheChimp
January 12th, 2006, 11:20 PM
So when he said, "No learned person would take Christianity seriously," that was allowed though, right? I thought so.The comment was not directed at you. Yours, however, was directed at one person.

lofter1
January 13th, 2006, 12:19 AM
^ the ice is getting pretty thin here ...

can't we all just get along ;)

davidcaspian
January 13th, 2006, 02:54 AM
The comment was not directed at you. Yours, however, was directed at one person.

He quoted what I said. How could that not be directed at me?

davidcaspian
January 13th, 2006, 02:56 AM
^ the ice is getting pretty thin here ...

can't we all just get along ;)

Hippie. ;)

Who wants to sit around, talking about things with a bunch of people you already know agree with you. Even though some may hate what I say (and vice versa) it gets your brain going, instead of just cruising along. Know what I mean?

ZippyTheChimp
January 13th, 2006, 07:22 AM
Sorry David, that you cannot see the difference.

I might have answered that remark with a simple, "Why do you say that?" or "I take offense at that," which may have gotten a reply.

I definitely would not have misrepresented myself with an ignorant tit-for-tat, and then complained that that I have nothing to pick apart, and everyone is up in arms.

But that's just me.

Ninjahedge
January 13th, 2006, 08:58 AM
What am I supposed to pick apart? He put forth no evidence to back up his claim. He simply made an ignorant comment, that he could no way prove. Just the same as I could not prove mine.

So you, in all your benevolent wisdom called all not christians stupid?

Are you trying to prove that you are even MORE ignorant of him?


As for picking his post apart, the one thing you COULD have done is try to prove that what he says was not true by siting other valid arguments, rather than just calling HIM and all others that are not of your religion stupid.

You insulted quite a few people here with your inane blanket statements and you have to realize that. You actually did worse for your religion and its perception by people reading these posts than his did.


Either way, I think this whole thing is pretty hilarious; that he is allowed to say "No, learned person would take Christianity seriously," but when I say something of a similar effect, everyone is up in arms. Amusing.

If you think the two were similar, it is pretty funny.

BrooklynRider
January 13th, 2006, 10:43 AM
I would just like to say that I am glad that it isn't me everyone is railing against for once.

I see that God is punishing Pat Robertson by taking away his $50 Million deal in Gaililee. Poor Pat, so stung by his loss of riches and material wealth actually issued an on air apology. I don't think God will forgive him. It's time for his stroke.

davidcaspian
January 13th, 2006, 06:37 PM
Sorry David, that you cannot see the difference.

I might have answered that remark with a simple, "Why do you say that?" or "I take offense at that," which may have gotten a reply.

I definitely would not have misrepresented myself with an ignorant tit-for-tat, and then complained that that I have nothing to pick apart, and everyone is up in arms.

But that's just me.

I'm sorry that you, cannot see my point. Ignorant statements are bad news, no matter who says them. Just because he feels comfortable saying it, considering his audience, doesn't mean it's not wrong.

NYatKNIGHT
January 16th, 2006, 01:50 PM
Back to topic, Pat Robertson is no Christian.

Ninjahedge
January 17th, 2006, 10:16 AM
Back to topic, Pat Robertson is no Christian.

Neither are a lot of people that call themselves such.

Odd that people have such selective vision when it comes to religion.

lofter1
January 17th, 2006, 11:56 AM
^ Which is exactly why religion should remain outside the realm of government, and vice versa.

MrSpice
January 17th, 2006, 12:49 PM
His thinking is typical of most religious fundamentalists. He believes that anything in his life is a work of God and, therefore, whatever happens must be influenced by God's decisions. And he represents a large portion of the US population that is so religious that it never questions whether religion really explains what happens in life or it is just a substitute for science and reality.

Ninjahedge
January 17th, 2006, 03:39 PM
His thinking is typical of most religious fundamentalists. He believes that anything in his life is a work of God and, therefore, whatever happens must be influenced by God's decisions. And he represents a large portion of the US population that is so religious that it never questions whether religion really explains what happens in life or it is just a substitute for science and reality.

Actually, he is using his belief in a devine being as the only justification to his erronious statements, assertations and beliefs.

It does not matter that the world was not created in 6 days, he believes it, and his GOD believes it to, so it must be true even if you cannot prove it.

Were you alive then?

Yadda yadda yadda.


Most people have this. I have it too, in my taste for movies and music. I try to convince people of the validity of my statements and criticisims (or praise) of a certain style or genre (like my defense of Japanese Anime) as not only an extolation of its merit, but also as a defense of my own likes and dislikes.


Pat WANTS these things to be this way, his way, so he brings the name of his God in to defend them.

Convenient that his God agrees with him on so much. But such is the way of a God that is created by man.

lofter1
March 14th, 2006, 12:56 AM
Robertson Finds Radical Muslims 'Satanic'

By SONJA BARISIC
Associated Press Writer
Mon Mar 13, 6:50 PM ET

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060313/ap_on_re_us/robertson_islam&printer=1;_ylt=As9LBBSm0N1YmOBnxZY6H.FH2ocA;_ylu=X 3oDMTA3MXN1bHE0BHNlYwN0bWE

Television evangelist Pat Robertson said Monday on his live news-and-talk program "The 700 Club" that Islam is not a religion of peace, and that radical Muslims are "satanic."

Robertson's comments came after he watched a news story on his Christian Broadcasting Network about Muslim protests in Europe over the cartoon drawings of the Prophet Muhammad.

He remarked that the outpouring of rage elicited by cartoons "just shows the kind of people we're dealing with. These people are crazed fanatics, and I want to say it now: I believe it's motivated by demonic power. It is satanic and it's time we recognize what we're dealing with."

Robertson also said that "the goal of Islam, ladies and gentlemen, whether you like it or not, is world domination."

In a statement later Monday, Robertson said he was referring specifically to terrorists who want to bomb innocent people as being motivated by Satan. In the news story, he noted, radical Muslims were shown screaming: "May Allah bomb you! May Osama Bin Laden bomb you!"

Angell Watts, a Robertson spokeswoman, said in a telephone interview that the news segment also included comments from a moderate Muslim in the United Kingdom saying radicals don't represent most Muslims in that country.

Robertson's Virginia Beach-based network did not include his remarks when it posted the program on its Web site, however. That decision was made out of concern Robertson's remarks could be misinterpreted if viewed out of context, Watts said.

Monday's comments were similar to remarks he made on his program in 2002, when he said Islam "is not a peaceful religion that wants to coexist. They want to coexist until they can control, dominate and then, if need be, destroy."

Robertson has come under intense criticism in recent months for comments suggesting that American agents should assassinate Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez and that Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's stroke was divine retribution for Israel's pullout from the Gaza Strip.

Robertson recently told ABC's "Good Morning America" that he comments off the cuff after watching news segments. He later told the Christian magazine World that he's being more careful and reviewing news stories before going on the air.

The Rev. Barry W. Lynn, executive director of Americans United for Separation of Church and State, called Robertson's new comments "grossly irresponsible."

"At a time when inter-religious tensions around the world are at an all-time high, Robertson seems determined to throw gasoline on the fire," Lynn said in a statement.

On the Net: Christian Broadcasting Network: http://www.cbn.com (http://www.cbn.com)

Copyright © 2006 The Associated Press.

MidtownGuy
March 14th, 2006, 01:12 AM
Good ole' Patsy. Always good for a laugh.

ablarc
March 14th, 2006, 06:34 AM
radical Muslims are satanic.
Folks who plot to rain death on men, women and children going about their business: if that's not Satanic...

What else is new?

* * *

Even idiots sometimes speak the truth.

MidtownGuy
March 14th, 2006, 10:24 AM
Folks who plot to rain death on men, women and children going about their business: if that's not Satanic..

Sounds like you are describing the invasion of Iraq.

BrooklynRider
March 14th, 2006, 12:23 PM
Or the invasion of Afghanistan...

Or the intervention in former Yugoslavia...

Or the invasion of Panama...

Orthe invasion of Grenada...

Or the last Gulf war...

Or the intervention in Vietnam...

Or the boming of Laos...

Or the bombing of Cambodia...

Or Hiroshima...

Or Nagasaki...

Or the slaughter of native American nations...

Or the Inquisition...

ablarc
March 14th, 2006, 12:56 PM
Plenty of room in the Bad Guys Club.

lofter1
July 29th, 2006, 04:57 PM
^^ the newest member ??

Gibson's Anti-Semitic Tirade -- Alleged Cover Up

tmz.com (http://www.tmz.com/2006/07/28/gibsons-anti-semitic-tirade-alleged-cover-up/)
Posted Jul 28th 2006 9:15PM by TMZ Staff (http://www.tmz.com/bloggers/tmz-staff)
Filed under: Celebrity Justice (http://www.tmz.com/category/celebrity-justice/)

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.tmz.com/media/2006/07/gibson_exclusive_wi_2.jpg

TMZ has learned that Mel Gibson went on a rampage when he was arrested Friday on suspicion of drunk driving, hurling religious epithets. TMZ has also learned that the Los Angeles County Sheriff's department had the initial report doctored to keep the real story under wraps.

TMZ has four pages of the original report prepared (http://cdn.digitalcity.com/tmz_documents/gibson_wm_docs_072806.pdf) by the arresting officer in the case, L.A. County Sheriff's Deputy James Mee. According to the report, Gibson became agitated after he was stopped on Pacific Coast Highway and told he was to be detained for drunk driving Friday morning (http://www.tmz.com/2006/07/28/exclusive-mel-gibson-busted-for-dui/) in Malibu. The actor began swearing uncontrollably. Gibson repeatedly said, "My life is f****d." Law enforcement sources say the deputy, worried that Gibson might become violent, told the actor that he was supposed to cuff him but would not, as long as Gibson cooperated. As the two stood next to the hood of the patrol car, the deputy asked Gibson to get inside. Deputy Mee then walked over to the passenger door and opened it. The report says Gibson then said, "I'm not going to get in your car," and bolted to his car. The deputy quickly subdued Gibson, cuffed him and put him inside the patrol car.

TMZ has learned that Deputy Mee audiotaped the entire exchange between himself and Gibson, from the time of the traffic stop to the time Gibson was put in the patrol car, and that the tape fully corroborates the written report.

Once inside the car, a source directly connected with the case says Gibson began banging himself against the seat. The report says Gibson told the deputy, "You mother f****r. I'm going to f*** you." The report also says "Gibson almost continually [sic] threatened me saying he 'owns Malibu' and will spend all of his money to 'get even' with me."

The report says Gibson then launched into a barrage of anti-Semitic statements: "F*****g Jews... The Jews are responsible for all the wars in the world." Gibson then asked the deputy, "Are you a Jew?"

The deputy became alarmed as Gibson's tirade escalated, and called ahead for a sergeant to meet them when they arrived at the station. When they arrived, a sergeant began videotaping Gibson, who noticed the camera and then said, "What the f*** do you think you're doing?"

A law enforcement source says Gibson then noticed another female sergeant and yelled, "What do you think you're looking at, sugar tits?"

We're told Gibson took two blood alcohol tests, which were videotaped, and continued saying how "f****d" he was and how he was going to "f***" Deputy Mee.

Gibson was put in a cell with handcuffs on. He said he needed to urinate, and after a few minutes tried manipulating his hands to unzip his pants. Sources say Deputy Mee thought Gibson was going to urinate on the floor of the booking cell and asked someone to take Gibson to the bathroom.

After leaving the bathroom, Gibson then demanded to make a phone call. He was taken to a pay phone and, when he didn't get a dial tone, we're told Gibson threw the receiver against the phone. Deputy Mee then warned Gibson that if he damaged the phone he could be charged with felony vandalism. We're told Gibson was then asked, and refused, to sign the necessary paperwork and was thrown in a detox cell.

Deputy Mee then wrote an eight-page report detailing Gibson's rampage and comments. Sources say the sergeant on duty felt it was too "inflammatory."

A lieutenant and captain then got involved and calls were made to Sheriff's headquarters. Sources say Mee was told Gibson's comments would incite a lot of "Jewish hatred," that the situation in Israel was "way too inflammatory." It was mentioned several times that Gibson, who wrote, directed, and produced 2004's "The Passion of the Christ," had incited "anti-Jewish sentiment" and "For a drunk driving arrest, is this really worth all that?"

We're told Deputy Mee was then ordered to write another report, leaving out the incendiary comments and conduct. Sources say Deputy Mee was told the sanitized report would eventually end up in the media and that he could write a supplemental report that contained the redacted information -- a report that would be locked in the watch commander's safe.

Initially, a Sheriff's official told TMZ the arrest occurred "without incident."

On Friday night, Sheriff's spokesman Steve Whitmore told TMZ: "The L.A. County Sheriff's Department investigation into the arrest of Mr. Gibson on suspicion of driving under the influence will be complete and will contain every factual piece of evidence. Nothing will be sanitized. There was absolutely no favoritism shown to this suspect or any other. When this file is presented to the Los Angeles County District Attorney, it will contain everything. Nothing will be left out."

Gibson's rep Alan Nierob tells TMZ: "We are unaware of any of the information you mentioned in your email pertaining to a police report."

Click to see portions of the original report. (http://cdn.digitalcity.com/tmz_documents/gibson_wm_docs_072806.pdf)

lofter1
July 29th, 2006, 05:57 PM
Gibson proves himself to be step-up guy ...

Mel Gibson apologizes for DUI arrest

AP / YAHOO (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060729/ap_en_ot/people_gibson)
By SANDY COHEN, AP Entertainment Writer1 hour, 18 minutes ago
July 29, 2006

Mel Gibson issued a lengthy statement Saturday apologizing for his drunk driving arrest and saying he has battled alcoholism throughout his life.

Gibson also apologized for what he said were "despicable" statements he made to the deputies who arrested him early Friday morning on Pacific Coast Highway in Malibu.

"I acted like a person completely out of control when I was arrested," he said in a statement issued by his publicist. "I disgraced myself and my family with my behavior and for that I am truly sorry. I have battled with the disease of alcoholism for all of my adult life and profoundly regret my horrific relapse."

Publicist Alan Nierob declined to elaborate beyond the statement.

Gibson, 50, was arrested for investigation of driving under the influence of alcohol after deputies stopped his 2006 Lexus LS 430 for speeding. Sheriff's spokesman Steve Whitmore said deputies clocked him doing 87 mph in a 45 mph zone.

A breath test indicated Gibson's blood-alcohol level was 0.12 percent, Whitmore said. The legal limit in California is 0.08 percent.

The actor was released early Friday after posting $5,000 bail.

Copyright © 2006 The Associated Press.

lofter1
July 30th, 2006, 12:32 PM
http://time.blogs.com/./photos/uncategorized/the_passion_of_the_jew.jpg

http://blogcritics.org/archives/2004/04/07/195818.php

Ninjahedge
July 30th, 2006, 05:22 PM
Read it.

The guy's an ass. But he is still popular, and being antisemetic is not an entertainment death sentance for some.

I think we will hear more from this.

krulltime
July 30th, 2006, 09:11 PM
http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/73/039_22140~Mel-Gibson-Posters.jpg

A real life freak. No need to act in his movies he just plays himself.

Next movie... Mel Gibson in the Grudge of Mel Gibson.

http://bear-blog.blogspirit.com/images/medium_mel-gibson.4.jpg

milleniumcab
July 30th, 2006, 09:48 PM
Fanatics come in all religions, nationalities, races, colors, shapes and sizes....It is our duty to understand that and stop the "double standarts "..

lofter1
July 31st, 2006, 07:35 AM
One thing that made Gibson so appealing & compelling as a performer / actor was the sense that underneath his good looks there was a real wacko teetering on the edge between "dealing with it" and "going off the deep end".

Audiences responded to Gibson's ability & willingness to share that dichotomy. The fact that he can be funny as all get out never hurt his popularity, either. "Lethal Weapon" and the sequels it spawned succeeded almost solely due to Gibson.

As with so many good actors the "craziness" that Gibson often exhibited in his characters appears not to have some sort of artistic construction, but rather an act of revealing what is inside his soul.

The revelations of Gibson's own personal brand of Catholic Fundamentalism struck me as idiosyncratic -- and only somewhat troubling in the way that he seemed to be plotting some larger agenda by way of his clout / wealth.

Now it seems that his deeply held religious beliefs harbor an age-old brand Anti-Semitism.

I've been a fan of Gibson since his "Mad Max" days and have been looking forward to his upcoming film "Apocalypto" ...

Mel's latest alcoholic rant won't win him any new friends in Hollywood but, as has always been the case in that company town, money is the gas that makes things run there so success is what will decide his fate. Although I doubt that there are any "Lifetime Achievement" awards or other honors in Gibson's future ...


http://www.madmaxmovies.com/archives/PressMaterial/MadMax2/Photos/Colour/images/MaxDogHuddle.jpg

kz1000ps
July 31st, 2006, 10:56 AM
http://bear-blog.blogspirit.com/images/medium_mel-gibson.4.jpg

http://img436.imageshack.us/img436/3268/41064274051128hussein203iqt6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Ninjahedge
July 31st, 2006, 11:01 AM
Meh.

Similar, but there is someone else he reminds me of, I just can't put my finger on it though...

The "crazy old man" kind of thing.....

kz1000ps
July 31st, 2006, 11:04 AM
Yeah, I posted it simply for the physical similarities. But that look in their eyes, there's no faking that. Crazy old men indeed.

krulltime
July 31st, 2006, 11:45 AM
http://bear-blog.blogspirit.com/images/medium_mel-gibson.4.jpg

http://img436.imageshack.us/img436/3268/41064274051128hussein203iqt6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

LOL! Ofcourse. Good one. :D

BrooklynRider
July 31st, 2006, 12:06 PM
You sum that up rather nicely.

Eugenious
July 31st, 2006, 01:55 PM
http://bear-blog.blogspirit.com/images/medium_mel-gibson.4.jpg




I think this is all an expertly crafted publicity ploy for his upcoming movie Apocolypto :)

This is hollywood my friends, Mel could care less about the Jews but its a hell of a way for him to get attention, he;s laughing all the way to the bank. Controversial PR is nothing new, look at Sony's PSP Ad campaign in europe.

Ninjahedge
July 31st, 2006, 02:01 PM
Um... He looks kind of Russian in that pic, doesn't he?

ManhattanKnight
July 31st, 2006, 02:52 PM
http://img.timeinc.net/time/magazine/archive/covers/1976/1101760419_400.jpg

Ninjahedge
July 31st, 2006, 03:30 PM
Nah, that guy looks like Uncle Jesse from the Dukes of Hazzard....

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/97/Uncle_Jesse.jpg

ablarc
July 31st, 2006, 11:18 PM
http://bear-blog.blogspirit.com/images/medium_mel-gibson.4.jpg
Osama bin Laden?

.

milleniumcab
July 31st, 2006, 11:24 PM
^ A bit more white on his hair, maybe...And he needs a nose and a lip job..:D

lofter1
August 1st, 2006, 08:29 AM
Mel would be perfect for the role of John Brown in a film of Russell Banks' "Cloudsplitter (http://www.nytimes.com/books/98/02/22/reviews/980222.22kirnlt.html?_r=1&oref=slogin)" (it's been reported (http://www.rivertownfilms.org/calendar.html) that Banks is adapting his novel for Martin Scorsese and HBO):

http://www.cs.cornell.edu/nystrom/images/Antietam/mediafiles/l17.jpg
John Brown painting (http://www.cs.cornell.edu/nystrom/images/Antietam/pages/page_17.html) at Harper's Ferry

http://www.cs.cornell.edu/nystrom/images/Antietam/mediafiles/l18.jpg
John Brown closeup

lofter1
August 1st, 2006, 08:42 AM
Alternative (http://originaldo.com/james-brown-john-brown.jpg) casting:

http://originaldo.com/james-brown-john-brown.jpg

LeCom
August 1st, 2006, 09:38 AM
Love Pat Robertson. Everything he says is funny as hell; what makes it even funnier is that he apparently takes himself seriously.

chris
August 1st, 2006, 10:53 AM
Chavez and Robertson should be assassinated.

Bastard, beat me to the right response.

kliq6
August 1st, 2006, 11:55 AM
whats scary about robertson is not that he takes himself serious, its that others do as well

LeCom
August 1st, 2006, 04:53 PM
whats scary about robertson is not that he takes himself serious, its that others do as well
Yes, that's the scariest part of all.

lofter1
September 22nd, 2006, 08:52 AM
Robertson: "holy war between Islam and Christianity"
is "going to come"

mediamatters.org (http://mediamatters.org/items/200609210004)
posted by K.D
Thu, Sep 21, 2006

During a segment on the September 19 edition of the Christian Broadcasting Network's The 700 Club about Pope Benedict XVI's recent controversial comments (http://mediamatters.org/rd?http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/21/world/21pope.html?ex=1316491200&en=7cd1a15d4c3f72bb&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss) about Islam and Al Qaeda's reaction (http://mediamatters.org/rd?http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2006-09-18-pope-qaeda_x.htm?csp=N003), host Pat Robertson stated: "[W]e understand the leaders of Al Qaeda are calling for a holy war between Islam and Christianity. It's going to come, ladies and gentlemen."

As Media Matters for America noted (http://mediamatters.org/items/200608310004), Robertson stated on the August 29 edition of The 700 Club that "Osama bin Laden may be one of the true disciples of the teaching of the Quran ... because he's following through literally word-for-word what it says." Robertson added: "Islam is not a religion of peace. No way."

From the September 19 edition of the Christian Broadcasting Network's The 700 Club ( Video HERE (http://mediamatters.org/items/200609210004) ) :

ROBERTSON: When somebody gives the clear, historic record and just says, "Let's have a dialogue," that person is set up for death. And now we understand the leaders of Al Qaeda are calling for a holy war between Islam and Christianity. It's going to come, ladies and gentlemen, and I hope that those of you who care about this pope will support him. He's a wonderful man.

lofter1
January 12th, 2007, 10:02 PM
SHE'S BAAAACK :eek:

And making a return appearance on the next "Trading Spouses" :eek: :eek: :eek:

No doubt our friend JB would not have missed that ^^^ :cool:




GET OUT OF MY HOUSE IN JESUS' NAME I PRAY!!!!!!!!!11

http://home.earthlink.net/~linda.watson/images/lhj.jpg

lofter1
January 12th, 2007, 10:04 PM
For those who don't know wtf I'm talking about ...




A fascinating video clip from "Trading Spouses" showing the reaction of one woman ("I'm a Spiritual Warrior. I had to put armor on just to walk out that house) upon returning to her home after spending a week in a "dark-sided" household ...

http://media.putfile.com/Lady-Goes-Crazy-on-Trading-Spouses

Strattonport
January 12th, 2007, 10:54 PM
][/SIZE]Robertson: "holy war between Islam and Christianity"
is "going to come"

Maybe he and Osama can battle it out. It could even be a Pay-Per-View event.

Punzie
January 13th, 2007, 07:02 AM
SHE'S BAAAACK :eek:

And making a return appearance on the next "Trading Spouses" :eek: :eek: :eek:

Oh dear, what networks will do for $$$.

Is she coming on as a "veteran" commentator -- or as a "new mommy" for new victims?

lofter1
January 13th, 2007, 10:34 AM
She's coming back as a "new mommy" in a new spouse-trade -- the promo showed a clip of her in a "discussion" with a very formidable black dude :eek:

Seems the episode will air on Friday, January 19th at 9 PM ...

Info from FOX: http://www.fox.com/tradingspouses/

Perhaps she had second thoughts after tearing up the $50,000 check at the end of the previous episode :confused:

And maybe that "dark side" money don't look so evil now ...

ps: methinks she might have lost yet another tooth since we last saw her ...

lofter1
January 13th, 2007, 10:39 AM
And you gotta check this out ...

Trading Spouses - God Warrior (Pavex Remix)


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4217968032097213140 (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4217968032097213140)

Music video clip for god warrior from the "Trading spouses" show on fox.

Produced by "Pavex" aka "Crystal lake" video. Edited by Diamant Productions.

lofter1
January 13th, 2007, 10:51 AM
[/URL]

Perhaps she had second thoughts after tearing up the $50,000 check at the end of the previous episode :confused:


CORRECTION (regarding Marguerite -- aka the God Warrior -- from the FOX "TS" [URL="http://www.fox.com/tradingspouses/recaps/202.htm"]Episode Guide (http://www.fox.com/tradingspouses/)):

Later, we learn what Jeanne had earmarked for the family. Ashley got $5,000 to pay for dance certification, $10,000 to help Ashley and Abigail move to their own place, $15,000 for Barry to spend on the family, and $20,000 for Margaret to get the gastric bypass surgery that she wanted. Upon further review and possibly prayer, Margaret decided to take the money.
And it seems that Marguerite used the cash for a gbs and has lost 92 pounds!!!
http://www.fox.com/tradingspouses/images/clear.gif

lofter1
January 13th, 2007, 11:11 AM
(OK, I know y'all are thinking that I'm obsessing about the God Warrior, but HEY! It's Saturday, it's raining -- and I need a break from working on my taxes ;) ) ...

SCOOP (http://www.thefutoncritic.com/news.aspx?id=20061220fox01) on the family where Marguerite will do God's work ...



This special two-part episode took Perrin to the home of Abasi Malone and LaToya Brown in St. Petersburg, FL. Their 7 year old daughter Shachamaah is home- schooled by LaToya, while Abasi drives a taxi and has a newspaper route. The Malone-Browns are very environmentally conscious, with both a recycled rain barrel and compost pile in their yard. Abasi also hosts a political talk show that addresses issues within the African American community. Marguerite and Abasi quickly learn how to push each others buttons and it doesnt take long before they clash over their views on race, politics, and social injustice.


http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.tvsquad.com/media/2006/12/perrin-two.jpg


It seems Marguerite Perrin is making hay (http://www.realitytvworld.com/realitytvdb/wiki/Marguerite_Perrin) with her new-found celebrity ...



In October 2006, Marguerite released a CD titled Sit Down Comedy, including the single Why Can't You Be Sweet, through her website (http://www.margueriteperrin.com/) .



Why Can't You Be Sweet: Listen (http://www.amazon.com/gp/music/wma-pop-up/B000E63FBQ001001/ref=mu_sam_wma_001_001/105-1024127-2010016)


Fortunately :cool: , after listening to that ^^^ clip, I see from Amazon (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000E63FBQ/sr=1-2/qid=1137705262/ref=sr_1_2/102-9088488-4694509?%5Fencoding=UTF8) that "THIS TITLE IS CURRENTLY NOT AVAILABLE"


http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/P/B000E63FBQ.01._SS500_SCLZZZZZZZ_V55641498_.jpg

lofter1
January 13th, 2007, 11:22 AM
A catchy little tune: http://slagkick.ytmnd.com/ (http://slagkick.ytmnd.com/)

http://content.ytmnd.com/content/d/6/7/d67c0cd085e6f8944673b596476e5760.gif

lofter1
February 8th, 2007, 07:41 PM
Back to the topic at hand ...

Bodybuilder says Robertson threatened
to kill him and his family


rawstory.com (http://rawstory.com/showarticle.php?src=http%3A%2F%2Fcontent.hamptonro ads.com%2Fstory.cfm%3Fstory%3D119079%26ran%3D6880)
By BILL SIZEMORE, The Virginian-Pilot
© February 8, 2007


NORFOLK - One of Hampton Roads' highest-profile Christians stands accused of a not-so-Christian act.

A plaintiff in a federal lawsuit against Pat Robertson says the televangelist threatened his life and that of his family at a legal proceeding Wednesday in the Norfolk federal courthouse.

The accuser, Phillip Busch, is suing Robertson for misappropriation of his image in the promotion of Robertson's protein diet shake (http://www.cbn.com/communitypublic/shake.aspx).

A Strongman Scorned (http://www.dallasobserver.com/Issues/2006-06-29/news/news.html)

http://media.dallasobserver.com/46951.0.jpg
©2007 Village Voice Media
Phil Busch, before (inset) and after

According to a complaint Busch filed with the Norfolk police, Robertson entered a room in the courthouse Wednesday afternoon to be questioned for a deposition - an out-of-court form of testimony - and told Busch: "I am going to kill you and your family."

Robertson's attorney, Glen Huff, denied the allegation Thursday, saying: "There was no such threat."

Robertson has been touting his "age-defying" weight-loss shake for five years on his Christian Broadcasting Network talk show "The 700 Club," offering the recipe free to any viewer who requested it.

Busch, a Texas bodybuilder, contacted the show in 2005, saying he had slimmed down from 400 to 200 pounds drinking the shake. CBN showed his before-and-after photos 20 times in a promotional spot and flew him to Virginia Beach for a live TV interview with Robertson.

Busch says he didn't know when he contacted CBN that Robertson had recently licensed his shake for commercial distribution by a nationwide health-food chain in a ready-to-mix powdered formula. He sued Robertson in September 2005, alleging that the broadcaster used his image for a commercial purpose without compensating him. The case is set for trial in April.

The litigation has been rancorous. Robertson's spokesmen have accused Busch of extortion, and Busch has posted disparaging comments about Robertson on his personal Web site.

Busch has dismissed his attorneys and is litigating the case himself.

This is not the first time Robertson has been accused of threatening an adversary.

After the failure of an earlier Robertson commercial venture - a multilevel sales outlet for Bible study courses and discount coupon books - the broadcaster fired Mark Peterson, the venture's top executive. The two blamed each other for the business' failure in what became a public feud.

Peterson sued Robertson in 1995, alleging that Robertson made a veiled death threat in a telephone conversation with Peterson's sister.

"Pam, you give your brother this message from me," Robertson was alleged to have said. "Wild horses that kick and destroy things without a bit in their mouth have to be put down. They have to be shot. You tell him that." Robertson denied making a threat.

Peterson dropped the lawsuit in 1997, saying he had forgiven Robertson.

© 2007 HamptonRoads.com/PilotOnline.com