View Full Version : Do you think every politician trick us?

August 26th, 2005, 09:56 AM
I always voted for the third parties because when a politician promise something they don't keep their promises and they just screw us. Even if a third party don't win I'm not disappointed at all because I know I didn't vote for the asshole who just want to trick us. Jean Chrétien,the former prime minister of Canada, gave money from the tax payer to his friends, what a rip-off.

August 26th, 2005, 10:03 AM
That's politics! But, I am with you. I tend to vote third party in elections.

August 27th, 2005, 07:50 PM
Do you have green party in United States?

August 28th, 2005, 11:54 AM
Yes, although it is not cohesive as a national party. It tends to run strongest in local races.

September 4th, 2005, 08:56 PM
According to your own opinion as any Americans like you, what's the worst thing the american government does to trick american citizen?

September 4th, 2005, 11:07 PM
what's the worst thing the american government does to trick american citizen?
Acting as though they are upholding the law when actually they are breaking the law and subverting the constitution.

But most politicians are lawyers these days, so they all know every trick in the book to get them around the legalities and thereby operate in their own universe of no responsibility, no accountability and no shame.

September 5th, 2005, 07:11 AM
Bush's approval ratings have dropped steadily since the beginning of the year, currently sitting well below 50%, so to say that just as many "like him" (at least in his capacity as president -- or CEO in Chief) no longer seems to be true (and this was a FOX poll). In fact, as of last week Bush's approval numbers have "sank to an all time low" (see article below):

FOX News/Opinion Dynamics Poll.

Aug. 30-31, 2005.
N=900 registered voters nationwide.
MoE ± 3.
LV = likely voters

"Do you approve or disapprove of the job George W. Bush is doing as president?"

Week________Approve %_____Disapprove %_____Unsure %











Bush approval rating hits a new low
Vol XXVIII NO. 165 Thursday 1 September 2005


WASHINGTON: President George W Bush's approval rating sank to an all time low of 45 per cent, in a Washington Post-ABC poll published yesterday that also said he could do more to ease soaring oil prices.

The August 25-28 survey of 1,006 adults with a three per cent margin of error found that 53pc of Americans disapproved of how Bush was handling his job as president.

Only 45pc approved of his performance, the lowest approval rating ever recorded for Bush in the Post-ABC survey since he took office in January 2001.

Besides his job in Iraq, which 42pc approved and 57pc did not, the rising petrol prices were also to blame for Bush's loss in popularity.

By a margin of 73-22pc, people disapproved of Bush's handling of the gasoline crisis, while 60pc said there were steps he could take to reduce fuel prices, which are headed higher still after Hurricane Katrina's damage to southern US refineries.

Only 36pc said gas prices were not his fault. Bush was flying over New Orleans and other hurricane-damaged areas in Air Force One yesterday after cutting short his Texas vacation to return to Washington, the White House said.

September 5th, 2005, 12:11 PM
Can't wait to see what poll numbers taken after 8/31 will read.

September 22nd, 2005, 12:33 AM
Trick us? No, of course not. I'm sure Frist is telling the truth and that he sold this lousy stock so he could better serve the American people.

But I'll let you decide:

Senate Leader Explains His Sale of a Stock That Then Plummeted

By DAVID D. KIRKPATRICK (http://query.nytimes.com/search/query?ppds=bylL&v1=DAVID D. KIRKPATRICK&fdq=19960101&td=sysdate&sort=newest&ac=DAVID D. KIRKPATRICK&inline=nyt-per)
September 22, 2005


WASHINGTON, Sept. 21 - Senator Bill Frist offered an explanation on Wednesday for the timing of his sale in June of his stake in HCA, the giant hospital company that his family founded, as its shares reached a peak and began a steep slide.

An aide to Mr. Frist, majority leader of the Senate and brother of the HCA chairman emeritus, disclosed the sale on Monday in an interview with Congressional Quarterly.

The senator's spokesman, Bob Stevenson, said Wednesday that Mr. Frist "made a conscious decision to divest himself of all HCA assets" so he could pursue an ambitious agenda of health care legislation free of any appearance of self-interest.

Since joining the Senate, Mr. Frist had been dogged by accusations about conflicts of interest from his HCA holdings, including "no fewer than 19 instances" of articles or other public accusations, Mr. Stevenson said.

Mr. Frist, who has said he will not run for another term as Tennessee (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/national/usstatesterritoriesandpossessions/tennessee/index.html?inline=nyt-geo) senator, is widely considered to be weighing a presidential bid. That may give him another incentive to put some distance between himself and the company.

"Good fortune, isn't it?" asked Prof. John C. Coffee, an authority on securities law at Columbia.

Professor Coffee said such well-timed sales in the families of top executives were a red flag of possible insider trading and often drew regulatory inquiries, although just a small fraction of such instances lead to formal investigations.

The question, Professor Coffee said, is whether Mr. Frist received private information about the company performance from his brother or other insiders.

"There is no prohibition against a family member's dumping his stock in a company, unless it can be shown that the family member was tipped as to material nonpublic information," he said. "That seems to be the missing link."

Five years ago, the company pleaded guilty to 14 criminal counts for filing fraudulent Medicare reports and paying doctors kickbacks for referrals. It eventually paid $1.7 billion in fines and penalties in connection with the case.

Mr. Frist's brother Thomas F. Frist Jr. had left the management and was vice chairman. But he returned as chief executive to help HCA recover. He remains its largest individual shareholder and chairman emeritus.

The stock bottomed out under $20 a share in 1999 in the federal fraud investigation, but it climbed back steadily. Over the first six months of this year, the stock rose, from about $40 a share to more than $58 at its peak in June.

Top executives took advantage of the run-up to exercise options and sell shares worth $165 million in the first six months of the year, with the heaviest selling in February and April, according to data from Thomson Financial, which tracks insiders' sales. Thomas Frist did not have any significant transactions.

Senator Frist had reported this year that he owned $7 million to $35 million in assets, including his HCA shares, that were in blind trusts managed by others to reduce the appearance of conflicts. Although more than $10 million of the initial holding of the trusts was shares in HCA, Mr. Frist's spokesman said Wednesday that he could not determine how many shares remained.

On June 13, his spokesman said, Mr. Frist told the managers to sell all his shares. The stock hit its peak at $58.22 a share nine days later, on June 22. By July 8, all the shares held by Mr. Frist and his wife and children were sold, his spokesman said, adding that Mr. Frist did not control the exact timing.

Five days after that, on July 13, HCA announced that its second-quarter earnings would fall below Wall Street projections because of lower than expected hospital admissions and higher than expected numbers of patients lacking insurance. Its stock fell 9 percent, to $50.05 a share, that day on the New York Stock Exchange, and closed on Wednesday further down, at $47.41 a share.

Also on Wednesday, the Foundation for Taxpayer and Consumer Rights of Santa Monica, Calif., said it sent a letter to the Securities and Exchange Commission asking for an investigation of the sale.

September 28th, 2005, 12:47 PM

Story: http://www.wirednewyork.com/forum/s...07&postcount=12 (http://www.wirednewyork.com/forum/showpost.php?p=66907&postcount=12)

September 28th, 2005, 12:54 PM
The net widens / the plot thickens ...

3 Charged in Killing Of Fla. Businessman

Boulis Slain After 2000 Abramoff Deal

By Susan Schmidt and James V. Grimaldi
Washington Post Staff Writers
Wednesday, September 28, 2005; A03


Fort Lauderdale police said yesterday that they charged three men in the 2001 gangland-style slaying of a Florida businessman who was gunned down in his car months after selling a casino cruise line to a group that included Washington lobbyist Jack Abramoff.

Konstantinos "Gus" Boulis was killed on a Fort Lauderdale street on Feb. 6, 2001. Two of the three men charged had been hired as consultants by Adam Kidan, one of Abramoff's partners in the SunCruz Casinos venture.

Anthony Moscatiello, 67, identified by authorities as a former bookkeeper for the Gambino crime family, was arrested Monday night in Queens, N.Y. Anthony Ferrari, 48, was arrested in Miami Beach. Both were charged with murder, conspiracy and solicitation to commit murder. James Fiorillo, 28, was arrested in Palm Coast, Fla., yesterday and charged with murder and conspiracy.

Boulis, millionaire founder of the Miami Subs sandwich chain, sold SunCruz to Abramoff and Kidan in September 2000, at a time when Abramoff was one of Washington's most powerful lobbyists. Abramoff and Kidan were indicted last month on charges of wire fraud and conspiracy in connection with a $60 million loan they obtained to purchase the casino company.

Abramoff is at the center of a federal investigation into lobbying for Indian tribes and influence-peddling in Washington. Abramoff used contacts with GOP Reps. Tom DeLay (Tex.) and Robert W. Ney (Ohio) and their staffs as he worked to land the SunCruz deal, interviews and court records show.

The indictment in the Boulis slaying remained under seal yesterday, and authorities declined to disclose details of the charges against the defendants. Michael D. Becker, a Miami lawyer who has represented the men in other matters, said yesterday that he has not spoken to them yet.

Attorneys for Kidan and Abramoff said their clients have no knowledge about who killed Boulis. The two men were on a business trip abroad the night Boulis was shot. "Adam has cooperated with police right from the beginning. He's never been told he is a subject or a target," said Kidan's attorney, Martin Jaffe.

Fort Lauderdale police say they have long been interested in interviewing Abramoff, but he has repeatedly begged off, citing scheduling difficulties. Abramoff's attorney, Neal Sonnett, said after the fraud indictment that his client knows nothing about the slaying but would be willing to meet with detectives. He said he had no comment on the murder charges.

Abramoff and Kidan have been friends since their days as College Republicans in Washington. Kidan, of New York, owned the Dial-a-Mattress franchise in the District until it filed for bankruptcy in the 1990s. Their third partner in the SunCruz deal was Reagan administration official Ben Waldman.

Dealings between Boulis and the Abramoff group were often tense. At key points in the negotiations, Ney placed comments in the Congressional Record -- first sharply criticizing Boulis and later praising the new ownership under Kidan. Ney later said he had been unaware of Kidan's background.

Also during the negotiations, Abramoff brought a lender he was trying to impress to hobnob with DeLay in Abramoff's FedEx Field skybox at a Redskins-Cowboys game. DeLay has said he does not remember meeting the lender.

After the sale, the friction led to a December 2000 fistfight between Kidan and Boulis, who had remained as a minority partner. Kidan told the South Florida Sun-Sentinel that Boulis had said, "I'm not going to sue you, I'm going to kill you." Kidan said that SunCruz thereafter barred Boulis from its casino boats.

Homicide detectives have been investigating payments made to Moscatiello, his daughter and Ferrari in the months before the killing. SunCruz paid $145,000 to Moscatiello and his daughter for catering, consulting and "site inspections," Kidan said in a 2001 civil court deposition.

There is no evidence that food or drink was provided or that any consulting documents were prepared, according to court documents. The checks to Jennifer Moscatiello were made at Anthony Moscatiello's instruction, although his daughter provided no services for the money, Kidan said in his deposition.

Moscatiello was indicted on federal heroin-trafficking charges in 1983 along with Gene Gotti, brother of John Gotti, then head of the Gambino family. Gene Gotti and several others were sent to prison, but the charges against Moscatiello were later dropped.

Kidan met Moscatiello in 1990 while he was running New York City's Best Bagels in the Hamptons and Moscatiello was running a catering hall. Moscatiello provided Kidan advice on running the business. Kidan said in a deposition that he was unaware of Moscatiello's 1983 indictment or his affiliations with the Gottis.

SunCruz also paid a company called Moon Over Miami Beach Inc. $95,000 for surveillance services in 2001. Ferrari is a principal in Moon Over Miami Beach. Ferrari and several associates also reportedly received $10,000 in SunCruz casino chips.

Kidan has denied that the SunCruz payments to Moscatiello and Ferrari had anything to do with the slaying. In 2001, he told the Miami Herald: "If I'm going to pay to have Gus killed, am I going to be writing checks to the killers? I don't think so. Why would I leave a paper trail?"

Abramoff and Kidan were indicted last month by a federal grand jury in Fort Lauderdale on five counts of wire fraud and one count of conspiracy relating to their $147.5 million SunCruz purchase. Prosecutors alleged that Abramoff and Kidan faked a wire transfer of $23 million -- the down payment they had agreed to put into the deal for the day-cruise casino boats.

In civil filings in the bankruptcy of SunCruz, Abramoff blamed Kidan for defrauding lenders. Kidan has said the lenders were aware that the buyers were not actually putting up the $23 million in cash for the purchase. Their trial is scheduled for Jan. 9.

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