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lofter1
September 20th, 2005, 09:15 PM
Yo, Dude, check this out ...

Rasta lends its name to a third type of cannabis

20 September 2005
From New Scientist Print Edition
http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=mg18725175.200

AS POLICE and dope smokers know, there are two types of cannabis. Cannabis sativa sativa is mainly used to make hemp, while the indica subspecies is prized for its tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) content, which produces the "high". But now Australian researchers have discovered a third type of cannabis, called rasta.

Simon Gilmore of the Canberra Institute of Technology catagorised 196 sample plants according to the DNA in their mitochondria and chloroplasts. The samples included plants grown for drugs and hemp as well as wild varieties from Europe, Asia, Africa, Mexico and Jamaica.

The results showed three distinct "races" of cannabis. In central Asia the THC-rich indica predominated, while in western Europe sativa was more common. In India, south-east Asia, Africa, Mexico and Jamaica the rasta variant predominated. It looks similar to the sativa subspecies, but generally contains higher levels of THC.

Since the study was of DNA rather than a formal taxonomic study, Cannabis sativa rasta is not yet an official new subspecies: the name was the result of a competition in Gilmore's lab. Their work is expected to appear in the journal Forensic Science International later this year.

From issue 2517 of New Scientist magazine, 20 September 2005, page 12

thomasjfletcher
September 21st, 2005, 09:17 AM
I bought some dope from some rastas when I was living in a squat in Brixton in the late '80s. My God it was strong! (somewhat stronger than stuff I've bought in Washington Square...!)

http://www.agencija-palladio.si/_derived/Rasta.htm_txt_Rasta.gif

NYatKNIGHT
September 21st, 2005, 10:29 AM
Australian "researchers" discovered a third type of cannibis - gotta love it. How does one get on this research team?

thomasjfletcher
September 22nd, 2005, 08:57 AM
indeed!

http://i.cnn.net/cnn/SPECIALS/2004/reagan/stories/first.lady/just.say.no.jpg

NYatKNIGHT
September 22nd, 2005, 01:31 PM
No, you dont.

Then get a sense of humor, or at least make a point.

lofter1
September 22nd, 2005, 11:03 PM
Take a hit. I've found that can help.

NoyokA
September 22nd, 2005, 11:08 PM
I have no sense of humor when it comes to this subject. And there is no reason for me to get one.


Why do you have no sense of humor when it comes to this subject?

ZippyTheChimp
September 22nd, 2005, 11:15 PM
Forgot what I was going to say.

NYatKNIGHT
September 23rd, 2005, 11:44 AM
Weren't you going to order a pizza?

Gab
September 23rd, 2005, 12:13 PM
If pot is legal, I don't want that as the S.A.Q.(Société des alcools du Québec) store, the S.A.Q. is a liquor store owned by government in Quebec and I absolutly don't want a cannabis store owned by governement. If everything is owned by government, there is no competitor. For me the S.A.Q. is a scam because government suppose to take care of population about their health while they sell alcohol and when there is a lot of regulations on tabacco. That just doesn't make any sense. I think Quebec government should sell S.A.Q. to private business.

Edward
September 23rd, 2005, 12:17 PM
Share a pizza with Zippy, Gab

Gab
September 23rd, 2005, 12:19 PM
Share a pizza with Zippy, Gab May be Pizza with pot.

ZippyTheChimp
September 23rd, 2005, 12:19 PM
Too late

Gab
September 23rd, 2005, 12:25 PM
I'll come to NYC at the on september 30th by bus with Greyhound company. If I find an excellent Import Export business why not. I just have to tell the custom officer that I will get rid of welfare when I'll come back to Montreal.

Supercool Dude
September 28th, 2005, 04:30 PM
Best Pizza I ever had is at Loretta's on Layton Ave in the Bronx!

A third species of herb?

If you get busted with this new species, they cannot prosecute you for it, because there is no law against the new breed of weed, yet. They can only prosecute you for Cannabis Sativa and Cannabis Indica.

It seems like a good legal loophole!

Why is it illegal? Why, because it isn't good for you, then it is bad for you, therefore, it is illegal!

You are dazed, bewildered, lost in a World without color or time........

You've been tokin Herb!

Pot, Grass, Weed, Marijuana. You smoke it and you get high.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis

Supercool Dude
September 28th, 2005, 05:14 PM
Sounds like some good shit to me! LOL!

Jasonik
September 28th, 2005, 05:58 PM
This forum has gone to shit.
http://ia300108.us.archive.org/0/items/reefer_madness1938/reefer_madness1938.gif

lofter1
September 28th, 2005, 07:15 PM
If you get busted with this new species, they cannot prosecute you for it, because there is no law against the new breed of weed, yet. They can only prosecute you for Cannabis Sativa and Cannabis Indica.
My thoughts exactly!

Jasonik: Thanks for that great clip...

ZippyTheChimp
September 28th, 2005, 09:00 PM
This forum has gone to shit.The correct idiom is: This forum has gone to pot.
:cool:

NoyokA
September 28th, 2005, 09:31 PM
This forum has gone to shit.

If you ever want to come to NYC you can not have these intolerences.

lofter1
September 28th, 2005, 10:09 PM
A question:

If the use of the cannabis in question is not illegal, as it appears that the partaking of Cannabis Rasta is not, then one's argument against it cannot be a legal one.

So from whence has the animus against this innocent plant taken root?

(sorry, I couldn't resist)

angler
September 28th, 2005, 11:01 PM
God Dammit I hate you guys so much. Am I the only one here with a no drug stance? Said seeing as how I am the youngest one here, and the most violent. You would think it would be vice versa.

I am a high school teacher.

I have read your recent postings, including those in this thread and your message about burying image CD's.

Considering your writing style and message content, I was quite certain you were under the influence of a controlled substance such as marijuana.

Perhaps you should spend more time doing your studying and homework, playing sports, and socializing with children your own age. Make better use of your time. Stay off adult internet discussion forums.

I give the same advice to my own students.

lofter1
September 28th, 2005, 11:56 PM
God Dammit I hate you guys so much. Am I the only one here with a no drug stance? Said seeing as how I am the youngest one here, and the most violent. You would think it would be vice versa.
"No Drug Stance" ???
Are you against anti-coagulants?
Aspirin?
Penicillin?
As has been pointed out this plant is not illegal.
Expand your mind...

NoyokA
September 29th, 2005, 01:48 AM
Ive been to New York, and I wont be going in the near future. And no, trust me, I wont need tolerance.

Trust me if you want to make in New York you cannot have intolerances.

NoyokA
September 29th, 2005, 01:51 AM
God Dammit I hate you guys so much. Am I the only one here with a no drug stance? Said seeing as how I am the youngest one here, and the most violent. You would think it would be vice versa.

I think its because you havent lived. A no-drug stance is a very good stance to have, however most people with no-drug stances don't make a big deal out of it, it's usually a silent protest. Its just one of those things you have inside yourself, much like religion its a personal decision. Most people have some sort of belief however only the fanatics will try to change others beliefs, you're being a fanatic with your "no-drug" stance.

ebrigham
September 29th, 2005, 08:32 AM
God Dammit I hate you guys so much. Am I the only one here with a no drug stance? Said seeing as how I am the youngest one here, and the most violent. You would think it would be vice versa.

Just curious what you mean by "most violent"... Do you get into a lot of fisticuffs?

Ninjahedge
September 29th, 2005, 09:16 AM
Actually, Fisticufflinks.



And L+O seems a bit irrascable to me too.

L+O, you have to realize that people can do what they want so long as it is not destructive. I believe pot to be less than Alcohol and Nicotine, and the more people that use it, the less competition I will have in life in the job world and other ventures.

Not because pot is a mind killer, but it makes life easier to tolerate. When you are happy with life, there are few that would do anything to change it, so they do not switch jobs, and are not as compeditive.

I do not find that a good thing at ALL for kids when they are going to school, and not that good of a thing for later in life either. But, to tell you the truth, I would rather have a kid who is a pot-head than an Alcoholic.

thomasjfletcher
September 29th, 2005, 09:18 AM
Law and Order- I think that your stance is valid, and it's good that you pursue it. Grass is dangerous and it's not fit for everyone. I've seen a bunch of people tipped into schizophrenia by it. It's certainly not as mild as many people think.
Now, time for my pizza.....

http://hometown.aol.com/vitusproductions/images/ny%20pizza%20in%20cali.jpg

ZippyTheChimp
September 29th, 2005, 09:38 AM
Just curious what you mean by "most violent"... Do you get into a lot of fisticuffs?
I think L&O may actually be Jason Varitek

ebrigham
September 29th, 2005, 09:44 AM
I think L&O may actually be Jason Varitek

That's not funny. Making light of violence like this is no joke

ebrigham
September 29th, 2005, 10:34 AM
ps that was a joke

BrooklynRider
September 29th, 2005, 10:46 AM
I am fully in favor of the peaceful use of drugs and alcohol. The unimpeded use of medical marijuana. And, I support more controls on alcohol - the most dangerous drug out there.

Guess it depends on the era you were born in. I was in high school before that stupid "Just Say No" campaign. I always find that people who have at least experimented with drugs in some way are more interestingthan those who have not.

I'm a fairly respectable guy, who has worked every day of my life since the age of 16. I've tried every drug to hit the market. I not inclined to addictions. And, I think I, personally, am better and more tolerant for having tried them. At least when I talk to someone about drug use, I'm not talking out my ass from a pure place of fear and ignorance.

And, marijuana does not lead to heroin.

ryan
September 29th, 2005, 10:58 AM
Grass is dangerous and it's not fit for everyone. I've seen a bunch of people tipped into schizophrenia by it.

The relationship between pot & schizophrenia is one of correlation, not causation (http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2005/09/19/reefer_madness/index1.html), meaning research has shown that people diagnosed with schizophrenia smoke pot at a higher rate than the general population, but there is no evidence to suggest that pot smoking causes or contributes to schizophrenia. Mental illness is so understudied and not understood that I think a lot of people grasp for concrete explanations that are not valid.

Ockham's razor (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Ockham%27s%20razor) suggests that without proof, the simplest of two theories should be pursued. It's much more likely that suffering from mental illness - especially early mild symptoms - predisposes individuals to recreational drug escapism. To my knowledge, no major health risks (aside from very real smoking-related problems like lung cancer and emphysema) have been linked to pot smoking. That's with millions upon millions of taxpayer money thrown at research in an effort to demonize the drug.

I hope Law & Order and all those other "no-drug" kids never take one drink of alcohol, which has a huge and demonstrated impact on our culture - alcohol poisoning deaths, drunk driving deaths, the incalculable effects of alcoholism (never heard of detox for pot for a reason - it's not nearly as addictive). I'm a very boring adult that never smokes pot (and only rarely drinks socially) so I don't have a personal investment here - just very frustrated by all the disinfomation on this subject.

NYatKNIGHT
September 29th, 2005, 11:58 AM
God Dammit I hate you guys so much. Am I the only one here with a no drug stance? Said seeing as how I am the youngest one here, and the most violent. You would think it would be vice versa.

Hate and violence are not side affects of marijuana, if anything it's the exact opposite. So, no, I wouldn't think it would be vice-versa. Not to worry, when you reach maturity you should outgrow the brainwashing.

BrooklynRider
September 29th, 2005, 04:09 PM
L+O-

I think it admirable that you want to lead a healthy life, but you should maybe reflect on a national policy introduced to make people intolerant of others. Your stance on "drugs" takes nothing into consideration other than the "use" of illegal drugs - there are no legal drugs that we can grow or make ourselves - instead we are funneled in to the pharmaceutical industry where they feed us the stuff that is otherwise illegal. You don't differentiate in any way between users: responsible use, recreational use, escapist use and self-destructive use. Smoking a joint to go see an Ashton Kutcher movie is not a condemnable offense. How else would one find any of his movies funny?

Just say "no" is simplistic. Self-destructive drug use is a symptom of a greater problem - not the problem itself. The whole "Just Say No" campaign was a lesson in intolerance and was a very frightening example of the effectiveness of government brainwashing programs. It creates an army of kids ready to report drug users and suspected users, demonizes people who are largely harmless and pertuates the notion that drug users are inherently evil as opposed to our government which is overdosing the poppulation on both illegal and prescribed drugs daily.

Ninjahedge
September 29th, 2005, 04:25 PM
BR, I think you are going a little far with the demonization issue.

You know how hard it is to teach kids, when they are the most susceptable to peer pressure and the like, the differences not only between right and wrong, but more like "inapropriate" and "appropriate".

Movies and childrens stories kind of reflect this as well, with every evil character being, well, Evil looking and unquestionably bad. Kids, in general, find it harder to diffeentiate between the subtle shades of grey.

Now this, unfortunately, does not seem to go away even when these kids grow up. We still have very categorical, seperatist, homogenious notions that tend segregate people and issues on all sorts of imagined lines from political affiliation all the way to appearance. But the bottom line almost always comes out to an "us vs Them" attitude.

That is where the line is drawn, and people want to think that We (us) are on the good side. So the people that make the rules look to what they want and believe and go from there.

Now, as for the whole drug thing, that is an interesting bit of stuff there. The fact being that pot was not considered to be a bad drug, but for some reason they wanted to ban it (I don't remember exactly why, but they were very clever about it).

Drugs were not a new thing, they had been a around for quite a while, and it was already known the bad effects of some such as Opium and the like. In this vein (pun) they cast pot in hopes to include it in the general evil. Unfortunately, in doing so, they actually probably did more harm than good.

Lumping innocuous drugs like pot in with more serious and possibly life THREATENING drugs like heroin only sets up the transition from one to the other much more easily.

Someone who has the idea that all of these things are bad tries it for the first time and gets no real rush, no real addiction to it, and nothing really bad aside from the munchies, red eye, and bad breath. The others cannot be as bad as what they have been told!

SOME people then go on to try others that are on the other side of this misdrawn line to great consequence.

Add to this that it is easier to get what you are looking for once you know someone who sells you something that is illegal in the first place. They will be more likely to know a seller than Average Joe....etc etc.


So, by drawing the line on something that is so easily grown (there is a reason it is called "weed") and with such non-violent non catestrophic effects and results, we have made it an awfully weak line.....


I do not take the "Just say No" campaign as any kind of government totalitarian fear mongering, just a misplanted sloganized campaign to try to draw a very clear line that could be seen by a kid and not mistaken. It has it's good parts and bad parts.

Unfortunately, people in general do not usually see both sides and will focus on only they want to hear, so we will hear people shouting intolerance at people shouting evil......

ryan
September 29th, 2005, 04:35 PM
Hmm... wow... I most agree with Ninjahedge. Demonizing pot as a "killer" drug with serious consequences does damage the credibility of all anti-drug messages - including the really dangerous ones. When a just say no brainwashed kid smokes pot, has fun, then wakes up without any problems they dismiss warnings about the dangers of heroin, crystal meth, etc. too. It's too late when they are hurt by those drugs. In this way, yes, all the misinformation about pot is definitely hurting people.

Ninja- give kids more credit. They don't make overly simplistic black & white media - they are force fed it.

ebrigham
September 29th, 2005, 04:39 PM
On a separate note, I was a DARE (Drug Abuse Resistance through Education) role model back in high school. It was a pretty interesting experience - not sure if I did any good though...

ryan
September 29th, 2005, 04:41 PM
http://i15.ebayimg.com/01/i/04/f0/96/ae_1_b.JPG

If more people were high, we'd have a lot less violence.

ebrigham
September 29th, 2005, 04:54 PM
brings back memories. seem to have misplaced my t-shirt

BrooklynRider
September 29th, 2005, 05:15 PM
The have been numerous studies, reports, etc, etc (please don't make me research them all) that showed that the D.A.R.E. Program was an abysmal failure on every level.

Ninjahedge
September 29th, 2005, 05:35 PM
Hmm... wow... I most agree with Ninjahedge. Demonizing pot as a "killer" drug with serious consequences does damage the credibility of all anti-drug messages - including the really dangerous ones. When a just say no brainwashed kid smokes pot, has fun, then wakes up without any problems they dismiss warnings about the dangers of heroin, crystal meth, etc. too. It's too late when they are hurt by those drugs. In this way, yes, all the misinformation about pot is definitely hurting people.

Ninja- give kids more credit. They don't make overly simplistic black & white media - they are force fed it.

I know.

It is a predisposition that is enhanced by training and such. Just the way that boys are more aggressive than girls, but there is no overwhelming urge for girls to have dolls with brushable hair....

It is easier to go along the road everyone else uses than to actually find the best route.

We have kids that start off with rudamentary concepts of bad and good, a polarization that is both instinctual and part of our own inability to teach things on different leves to someone so new to the whole thing. They grow up with this, live by it and in turn teach their kids something similar.

It is hard to get out of. It was the method that let us survive. It has just gotten a hell of a lot more complicated.....



And DARE was dorky. All you have to do is look at some of the programs and the kids initial reaction to them in person. If you do not know what shows, games, toys or music your kids listen to or WHY they do, you should not be deciding the best way to influence them.


When I was a kid, they showed dorky films, public service announcements on "peacefull" shows like GI Joe and has shows at schools where gymnasts told us to not take drugs and eat broccoli.

:P

http://www.homestarrunner.com/cheatcommandos4.html

(not their best, but coincidentally appropriate)

Jasonik
September 29th, 2005, 05:36 PM
The word dare implies taking a risk by succumbing to peer pressure; confounding really.

I'll never forget Health class in 8th grade when we learned about all the different types of drugs. It was taught by the Phys-Ed director who was in a rock band, and he was always saying stuff like, "That stuff's scary, I knew this guy..."

In retrospect he was the perfect guy to teach it, thoroughly experienced, he instilled in us a healthy respect for drugs, not a doctrinaire fear-mongering paranoia.

ebrigham
September 29th, 2005, 05:58 PM
The have been numerous studies, reports, etc, etc (please don't make me research them all) that showed that the D.A.R.E. Program was an abysmal failure on every level.

I read those studies a while back too, and I tend to agree the program probably didn't do much good. So you are not going to get an argument out of me....

Anyway, it definately was not a complete failure. I mean I got a t-shirt out of it.

NoyokA
September 29th, 2005, 06:45 PM
Is D.A.R.E. still around? I believe it was phased out but I'm not sure...

ebrigham
September 29th, 2005, 08:10 PM
Is D.A.R.E. still around? I believe it was phased out but I'm not sure...

I am pretty sure you are correct.

lofter1
September 29th, 2005, 08:37 PM
Normal forum members here are probaly beginning to have a strong dislike for me, I thought it would happen months ago.
L&O: I don't have a dis-like for YOU at all.

It was your response to some of the stuff in this thread that I found annoying.

Anyway, the Title of this sub-Forum is "Anything Goes" -- which means it's pretty much a free-for-all.

For me it's a place to have a laugh and to find out about some things I might not have heard about otherwise (i.e.: Audrey the Swan).

PS: Welcome back

angler
September 29th, 2005, 08:48 PM
Angler..... Maybe people like you should be doing a little better as a teacher...

I hereby give you a failing grade in composition. Your spelling and grammar have not improved.

As I said, a student your age should spend more time reading and studying instead of wasting time staring at a computer screen. You probably fit the profile of being a loner, perhaps overweight, or you consider yourself unattractive. To make up for the lack of a social life you find comfort in the online personality you have created on this particular forum. "Hey, I'm not Larry or John any more, I am the famous Mr. Law and Order from the New York forum."

Congratulations on having no vices at your young age. No drugs or alcohol, and of course you never look at pornography online.

I would have to assume you are a high school sophomore, as an older student would have too many activities to allow much leisure computer time. Perhaps as you mature and expand your social circle you will be exposed to recreational drugs. Be sure to check in with this forum and let us know if you enjoy the experience.

BrooklynRider
September 29th, 2005, 09:11 PM
Well, I encourage you to look at more porn and find some of the kinky stuff too, that even your father would wince at.

Listen, L+O, this is a community and it is only as good as its members. We're all pretty honest and up front and disagree. We all agree to disagree in a courteous manner. People fade in and out ofthese places. I think for some of us older folks who are working daily, this place is a little offline place from our responsibilities to visit during breakfast or lunch.

I hope you'll stick around. Diagreeing and disliking are totally different things. Ninja and I argue regularly, but I always look forward to his posts. Stern and I had a row a while back and settled it amicably. Althought this is not "the real world", learning to effectively communicate and accurately assess objective feedback is important. We are all anonymous on here. Our forum "personalities" are the total creation of the person reading us. It's a very surreal and yet total real place simultaneously - and it is, without quetion, the best forum around.

With that said, I'm now going to pop an Atavin and have a glass of wine. You can have a cherry cola and a Necco wafer.

ryan
September 29th, 2005, 09:18 PM
woa, I'm having allex ballard deja vu.

BrooklynRider
September 29th, 2005, 09:34 PM
No, with me. I got raked for being nice to Alex.


woa, I'm having allex ballard deja vu.

And where did that get us?

ryan
September 29th, 2005, 09:56 PM
No, Brooklyn, not a barb at you - or L&O. Not an insult at all... sincere deja vu - especially with angler.

lofter1
September 29th, 2005, 10:13 PM
I'm now going to pop an Atavin and have a glass of wine.
Great combo -- though I find that Lorazepam and Scotch do me better.

lofter1
September 29th, 2005, 10:17 PM
BTW BR, did you know this?

Lorazepam
What should I do if I forget a dose?

If you take several doses per day and miss a dose, skip the missed dose and continue your regular dosing schedule. Do not take a double dose to make up for a missed one.

BrooklynRider
September 29th, 2005, 11:25 PM
I'm having trouble reading this... I missed my earlier dose, so I doubled my last one. Can you make the font bigger? Ooops... spilled my wine... I'll be right back...

Ninjahedge
September 30th, 2005, 09:37 AM
L+O, for your info:


I never had any illegal substance.

I had alcohol twice when I was a kid. Once my father let me taste his Budwiser (which I STILL hate to this day) and once my mother let me taste a warm, cheap, scotch and water after I asked about it (shortly after a MASH episode). Hated it too.


I never touched alcohol until I got to college.

I am now an avid beer/ale drinker, and a minor scotch fan. I still have not taken a single illegal substance.

I still believe that certain substances like Pot are demonized beyond their true impact and that, in effect, makes the whole anti-drug crusade less believable to people who try it and experience no real ill effects.


So whatever.


Also, for better of for worse, I am pretty much the same person in life as I am here on the boards. No false images, no pretending to know what I don't. The one advantage being, that nice delete key.

You can always read what you write before you post it and change things once you see what you are saying. If only you were allowed to proofread life......

Supercool Dude
September 30th, 2005, 10:58 AM
Good for you L&O, if you can avoid all drugs and alcohol, you may live forever!

Do you want to live forever?

Do you think you can?

Regarding Cannabis aka pot.

My lifes experience is that Cannabis does not cause people to become Psychotic.

It was the alcohol and the Amphetamines and Cocaine and LSD and PCP and Magic Mushrooms that caused many of my friends to go psycho.

Pot is legal in Netherlands and a few other countries like Moorocco and the Societies there are not collapsing! LOL!

Regarding Alcohol, it is bad and should be criminalised.

No joking.

I seldom drink, but when I do it is either Heineken Beer or Screwdrivers.

I average an alcoholic beverage every six weeks.

I used to have a friend who fainted when he toked.

One of my old girlfriends toked some weed and became paranoid and called an ambulance and they put her in a Psych Ward for two years!

Reefer is not for everyone like all other drugs.

If that evil freak Ronald Reagan had not become President in 1980, Cannabis would have been legal in all 50 states by now.

Here in NYC, Cannabis is a $100 fine.

lofter1
September 30th, 2005, 02:02 PM
In Vancouver, British Columbia, they have "pot bars" where you can enjoy a smoke while hanging out with friends and drinking a beer or cup of tea. Sale of pot is still illegal (which creates an odd situation) but possession and use (up to a certain amount) are not. Luckily we were directed to a small bookstrore around the corner from the pot bar where a friendly proprietor made sure our visit to Vancouver did not end in disappointment (although my memory is a bit foggy, I definitely remember one long period of sustained laughter after we left the bar and settled in at a nearby restaurant for some delicious vietnamese food).

One funny thing -- before 5PM you can only smoke in the smoking room of the pot bar. The smoking room is a glass enclosed area about 10' x 20'. The smoking room tends to be both crowded and active before 5PM, so the very act of entering the smoking room pretty much ensures that you will get high.

http://www.farangonline.com/images/mag/03DecemberNexts.jpg

If you're planning a trip to Vancouver here are some helpful links:

http://www.shtick.org/DiveBarReview/divebar78.htm

http://www.peak.sfu.ca/the-peak/2003-2/issue8/fe-gonetopot.html

http://www.bluntbros.com/


http://www.bluntbros.com/images/headshopGlass/glassHeadshop_r2_c2.jpg (http://www.bluntbros.com/index.asp)

ryan
September 30th, 2005, 02:28 PM
Damned Canada is always doing it better than us.

lofter1
September 30th, 2005, 02:38 PM
^ Maybe that's why they are so mellow up north?

Ninjahedge
September 30th, 2005, 02:55 PM
^ Maybe that's why they are so mellow up north?


Well maybe that's....

Um.....

What were we talking about?

Supercool Dude
September 30th, 2005, 09:22 PM
There are Cannabis sellers at certain cities like San Francisco and L.A., but I wouldn't go to them with the high prices they charge!

Here in NYC all transactions are done by Cellphone and even Internet and you get free delivery to any location, anywhere, any amount.

It is easy to get on certain corners or bars.

In NYC it is a $100 dollar fine for any weed under 28 grams and if they catch you driving stoned, they confiscate your vehicle and revoke your licence and they sentence you to drug rehab and give you court ordered drug injections of Haldol and antidepressants for many months. The same confiscation driving rules apply to alcohol also.

Cocaine and crack are almost gone here and good riddance!

Cocaine is made from Coca leaves and diesel fuel.

It is highly toxic.

In Florida they give you back your drivers licence and car, if you get off drugs. They just want you off your drug addiction. If you cannot quit, Prison!

lofter1
October 1st, 2005, 12:03 AM
In NYC ... if they catch you driving stoned, they confiscate your vehicle ...

I knew there was a reason I got rid of my car.

lofter1
October 1st, 2005, 10:26 AM
BR: Let's raise a glass to Leo ...

Leo Sternbach, 97, Valium Creator, Dies

By JEREMY PEARCE (http://query.nytimes.com/search/query?ppds=bylL&v1=JEREMY PEARCE&fdq=19960101&td=sysdate&sort=newest&ac=JEREMY PEARCE&inline=nyt-per)
October 1, 2005

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/01/health/01sternbach.html


Leo H. Sternbach, a research chemist who was foremost among the team of scientists who developed Valium, the tranquilizer that has been prescribed to millions of the sleepless and anxiety-ridden since the 1960's, died on Wednesday at his home in Chapel Hill, N.C. He was 97.

His longtime employer, Hoffmann-LaRoche, the international drug company based in Nutley, N.J., announced his death.

The genial image of Dr. Sternbach was well known in psychiatric and pharmacological circles for more than five decades. In his role as a highly productive researcher for Hoffmann-La Roche, he developed products that received more than 200 patents involving chemical innovations.

Dr. Sternbach helped develop antibiotics (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/health/diseasesconditionsandhealthtopics/antibiotics/index.html?inline=nyt-classifier), hypnotic drugs and compounds used in bloodless surgery, but he was most widely known for his contribution in producing Valium as well as Librium, a predecessor drug that is also a tranquilizer.

Librium was approved by the Food and Drug Administration in 1960. It was soon eclipsed by Valium, also known as diazepam, when it was introduced three years later.

Dr. Jeffrey A. Lieberman, chairman of the psychiatry department at Columbia, said that Valium had been used successfully in treating depression (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/health/diseasesconditionsandhealthtopics/depression/index.html?inline=nyt-classifier), anxiety, schizophrenia (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/health/diseasesconditionsandhealthtopics/schizophrenia/index.html?inline=nyt-classifier) and alcoholic withdrawal and quickly became "a cultural symbol in books and movies for the frenzied life of the modern age."

"It represents one of the major milestones of recent psychopharmacology," Dr. Lieberman continued, "and began a transition from drugs that were heavy-handed to drugs that are now much more precise and selective in their activity."

Dr. Sternbach, who tried Valium and reported that it made him drowsy, developed the drug from a class of chemical compounds called benzodiazepines. Dr. Sternbach - working with Lowell Randall, Earl Reeder and others - also showed that it was relatively safe and effective in further testing on mice and cats.

The drug imparts a mild euphoria and can be addictive and cause respiratory arrest, if taken in high dosages.

In 2003, the pharmaceutical industry celebrated the 40th anniversary of Valium's approval and invited Dr. Sternbach to a public celebration.

"It's a very good drug," he told The New Yorker. "It has pleasant side effects. It's quite a good sleeping drug, too. That's why it's abused. My wife doesn't let me take it."

Leo Henryk Sternbach was born in what is now Croatia. He studied in Poland and earned his doctorate from the University of Krakow in 1930.

He joined Hoffmann-LaRoche in 1940 and began his career in research at the company's center in Nutley in 1941. He remained there as director of chemistry until his retirement in 1973 and continued to work for the company as a consultant until 2003.

In 1979, Dr. Sternbach was given the Chemical Pioneer Award from the American Institute of Chemists.

He is survived by his wife of 64 years, Herta Kreuzer Sternbach. The couple lived in Upper Montclair, N.J., until last year, when they moved to Chapel Hill.

He is also survived by two sons, Dr. Daniel Sternbach, a research chemist, of Chapel Hill, and Michael, of Little Silver, N.J.; and five grandchildren.



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BrooklynRider
October 1st, 2005, 12:16 PM
In his honor, I'll pop two tonight.

Gab
October 4th, 2005, 10:28 AM
If you go to Montreal, don't buy weed at the Berri Square or St-Louis Square, they sell you bullshit, they rip-off people, they claim Berri Square or St-Louis Square are their territory. Anyway you can go to the Mont Royal Park, there's several dealers there. Sometimes you can do business with people who deliver weed like ordering pizza. In Montreal pot smoking is tolerated, police officers target more dealers than smokers, and some officers smoke the weed they already busted. Anywhere in Montreal there is a dealer in every neighborhood or even several of them in the same neighborhood. I used to get weed close to the police station(I mean 1 block away) before the guy moved somewhere else.

Supercool Dude
October 7th, 2005, 10:09 AM
Do not use Valium or anything like it.

It can give you the symptoms of Suicidal Depression and Schizophrenia.

It should not be used for more than one month.

I talked to a bigshot at NORML and they say that Cannabis Rasta will be regarded as Cannabis Sativa by the courts.

I heard that Cannabis was legal in St Maarten and Aruba, but I don't know if it is true or not.

In England, if they find less than 28 grams, they confiscate the herb without arresting you. It is legal in Netherlands and Morrocco. I think it was legalised in Switzerland and Austria, but I don't know. I heard Germany decriminalised it. I heard in some of the tiny nations have no law against it.

lofter1
October 7th, 2005, 10:53 AM
Do not use Valium or anything like it.

In my youth (when my body was stronger) I found -- after a long night of ingesting stimulants, alcohol and other mind-bending intoxicants -- that popping half a valium was the perfect thing to take the edge off.

This allowed for just enough sleep to get me up the next morning and off to a productive day of work.

But your point is well taken ...

Valium is Roche Laboratories' trademarked name of Diazapam.

Drugs that end in in the letters "PAM" are Benzodiazepines and can be nasty and very addictive:


From Hunter Diagnostics ( http://www.hunterdiagnostics.ie/benzodiazepines.php (http://www.hunterdiagnostics.ie/benzodiazepines.php) ) :
Benzodiazepines are a group of structurally related drugs widely prescribed
as CNS depressant drugs with sedative-hypnotic, muscle-relaxant, anti-anxiety
and anticonvulsant effects.

The family of drugs includes:



oxazepam (aka serax )
temazepam (aka restoril )
diazepam (aka valium )
chlorazepam (aka clonopin )
prazepam (aka centrax )
halazepam (aka paxipam )
lorazepam (aka ativan)

Supercool Dude
October 9th, 2005, 10:54 PM
If a drug like Diazepam is medically needed, it should only be prescribed by a doctor.

I sure could have used some on 9/11/2001.

But if you need it for more than a month, then you will probably need to be treated for Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, which can only be treated by Antipsychotics like Haldol.

Powder Cocaine and Crack cocaine is made from mashed Coca leaves and Diesel Kerosene. Would you snort Gasoline?

Amphetamines are known to cause criminal behavior.

Oddly enough, NASA uses Desoxyn aka Methamphetamine Hydrocloride for Space Sickness.

They say that Cannabis has some promising medical uses with Multiple Sclerosis patients.

Cannabis is used by AIDS and cancer patients to stimulate appetite, but toking it can make the patient sicker in the long run.

Cannabis causes Bronchitis and Emphysema according to the doctors.

Gab
October 11th, 2005, 02:38 PM
What about Montreal, in Montreal pot is not legal but the police officer don't target the smokers, of course they target dealers. If a whistle blower call the police because you smoke weed the police officers just don't care. I don't need a pot bar like in Vancouver, the best place is in your house. Sometimes people order weed same way as they order pizza.

ZippyTheChimp
October 11th, 2005, 03:24 PM
They should combine the two. Save a lot of time.

lofter1
October 12th, 2005, 12:32 AM
And then for dessert ...


Girl Eats Pop's Pot Brownies

Wisconsin man faces drug charge after five-year-old sickened

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/graphics/img/editpot2.gif (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/1011051pot1.html)


OCTOBER 11--Meet Luke Schoepke. The Wisconsin nitwit is facing a felony drug rap after his five-year-old daughter got ill from eating brownies that he allegedly laced with marijuana. Schoepke, 24, has been charged with pot possession and obstructing a police officer, a misdemeanor, according to the below Circuit Court criminal complaint (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/1011051pot2.html). Cops reported that the child was brought to a Waukesha hospital emergency room by the girl's grandmother, who noted that the child was lethargic and had an unusually large appetite. The girl told her grandmother that she had "eaten some brownies at the residence of her father," who had dropped the child off at the woman's home prior to attending a concert. A field test of the leftover brownies confirmed they contained pot. When confronted by cops, a "very nervous and agitated" Schoepke denied any connection to the brownies. However, an arresting officer noted that he detected "the very faint odor of fresh marijuana" on Schoepke. Not to mention that Schoepke had a baggie of pot in his jacket pocket. If convicted of the drug charge, Schoepke faces a maximum of three and a half years in prison. (4 pages)

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/1011051pot1.html

Ninjahedge
October 12th, 2005, 09:45 AM
Oops.

MAN this guy was an idiot.

And the girl was deemed sick because she was sleepy and hungry? Come on grandma!

I think granny knew exactl what was going on and wanted to stop the kid from doing what the son/son in law was doing.


Pot in and of itself is not an overtly destructive drug. It takes the edge off of life. UNFORTUNATELY, that edge is what pushes people to do more, to improve themselves. To not be satisfied with their current situation and work for something more.

Ironically, it is the perfect drug for control of the masses. It is awfully difficult to get any kind of coordination or urge to resist things if noone cares enough about it.

I know there are exceptions as was evidenced in the 60's, but tell me. In todays society, can you name one regular pot smoker (in your life) that has done more than what they did the day before? Friends of mine (all of which I am no longer in contact with) are still right where they were 10-20 years ago. Some still living with their parents.

I think the drug is sad. I do not see it ruining anyones life, but I do see it putting it on pause indefinitely. I do not see it as a threat to society, and I do not see it as one of the "evils". Nowhere near what some other, legal, prescription medications are.

But back to the original post I was replying to. This guys was a grade-A idiot.

lofter1
October 12th, 2005, 09:58 AM
... can you name one regular pot smoker (in your life) that has done more than what they did the day before?

Ninjahedge: i know what u mean but uh wow like do you know where i could score some pot brownies cuz ya know my stash just ran out nada here late night munchies ha ha and it's raining today so what's else to do cept veg out ...

lol ...........

uhhhhh whats the question?

ZippyTheChimp
October 12th, 2005, 10:44 AM
Pot in and of itself is not an overtly destructive drug. It takes the edge off of life. UNFORTUNATELY, that edge is what pushes people to do more, to improve themselves. To not be satisfied with their current situation and work for something more.

The person you are describing is someone completely immersed in the culture of doing the drug. Get up in the morning, do a joint. Break for lunch, do another. Whether or not the drug is addictive, the lifestyle surrounding it is.

This rut is more observable with alcohol, mainly because it is carried out in plain sight. We've all seen them. I know several from work. Not alcoholics, who get falling down drunk. Every day at lunch, they go to the same bar, sit at the same spot, order the same drinks. Maybe return for a quick one during break. The conversation is always the same, and they never want to do anything else.

I have never had a drug or alcohol problem, but many years ago, for a short time, I fell into such a rut. Circumstances had me working night hours. I was making considerable money, and had lots of free time - a dangerous combination. I went to the same bar every day; I didn't get drunk, but all that free time was wasted, and ironically, the weeks and months seemed to pass by quickly. I was always rushing at the last moment to fulfill obligations.

The solution was simple. I stopped going to that bar. I didn't stop drinking, but it became a planned event.


In todays society, can you name one regular pot smoker (in your life) that has done more than what they did the day before?
During the same time frame, I knew a woman (coworker) who smoked pot and was an alcoholic. It affected her employment, and she was always on the edge of being fired. She finally quit, and moved to Atlanta, and we lost contact with her.

Early this year, another friend of mine on a business trip ran into her, and we have exchanged emails. She is a PH.D. at the Centers for Disease Control. She has been alcohol-free since she left New York, but fires one up from time to time.

Ninjahedge
October 12th, 2005, 11:15 AM
Like I said zip, these things rob you of motivation.

Pot is an edge smoother while alcohol is an outright pain killer. I was not even getting into boozing! (I agree with what you are saying about that though).

As for Brownies Loft, sorry I don't have any.

Brownies are evil. Even without Child Sedatives.

NYatKNIGHT
October 12th, 2005, 12:09 PM
I respect your opinion but disagree with making a blanket statement about it. Though that may be true for you, me, and a lot of people, taking the edge off (or however it affects you) might be just the trick for some people. Or giving themselves an hour of downtime at the end of the day might be just the stress-reliever needed. However it works, I know plenty of successful people who are frequent if not daily tokers. I mean, a lot. I think most people would be shocked at how many. I'm talking about white collar, blue collar, and everything in between.

And there's nothing wrong with an occasional brownie. Calling them evil is.....such a buzz kill. Go away, buzz kill. Shoo!

Ninjahedge
October 12th, 2005, 12:41 PM
I respect your opinion but disagree with making a blanket statement about it. Though that may be true for you, me, and a lot of people, taking the edge off (or however it affects you) might be just the trick for some people. Or giving themselves an hour of downtime at the end of the day might be just the stress-reliever needed. However it works, I know plenty of successful people who are frequent if not daily tokers. I mean, a lot. I think most people would be shocked at how many. I'm talking about white collar, blue collar, and everything in between.

And there's nothing wrong with an occasional brownie. Calling them evil is.....such a buzz kill. Go away, buzz kill. Shoo!


Um, I never said anything about your brownies NY.

but if you have ever been near a woman when brownies are present you will see the true evil hidden in their chocolatey aroma.



As for the edge, that is the point. But how muchedge needs to be take off? And how often? I never said anything about the occasional user, no more than the weekend drinker etc etc. I am just making the obvious blanket statement that works on the Ivory Soap purity percentage of the population.

You smoke this nightly, you might not be too inclined to take night school classes. You might not send out resumes. You might not look for something that would make the need for an "edge releaser" in the evening after work even necessary.

When people are not displeased enough with where they are, they do, for the most part, not try to go anywhere else.


Now, as for edge dulling, it is one thing to relax once in a while. But if your whole life centers around it, you are dealing with a butterknife... ;)

ryan
October 12th, 2005, 01:23 PM
That's a weak slippery slope argument. You could say that a person who watches TV too much (or wastes time on internet forums for that matter) could be accomplishing more, but waste their time on time wasters. Anything in excess can keep people from realizing their potential.

BrooklynRider
October 12th, 2005, 01:23 PM
Report: 92 Percent Of Souls In Hell There On Drug Charges
October 12, 2005 | Onion Issue 41•41

HELL—A report released Monday by the Afterlife Civil Liberties Union indicates that nine out of 10 souls currently serving in Hell were condemned on drug-related sins.

"Hell was created to keep dangerous sinners off the gold-paved streets of Heaven," ACLU spokesman Barry Horowitz said. "But lately, it's become a clearing-house for the non-evil souls that Heaven doesn't know how to deal with."

The disproportionate number of drug offenders in Hell is a result of God's "get tough" drug policy of the 80s A.D., imposed after Roman emperor Domitian Flavius introduced opium to his people. God's detractors say His reactionary "one sin and you're out" rule places too harsh a penalty on venial drug users.

According to God's law, souls who possess four ounces of illegal drugs at any point during their mortal lives face a mandatory minimum sentence of eternity.

High-ranking seraphim in the Eternal Justice Department defended God's law.

"It's all about accountability," the angel Nathanael said. "The rule of the Lord affords the complementary blessings of freedom and responsibility, and provides the governing framework under which man is punished or rewarded according to his deeds. The rules are very simple: You do the crime, you do the time. Eternity, in this case."

The ACLU report included profiles of hundreds of offenders condemned to eternal perdition under God's law. Among them is Pvt. Robert "Bobby Joe" Hetfield, a World War I fighter and amputee who became addicted to morphine during his last 72 hours of life on a French battlefield in 1918. As punishment, Hetfield has spent more than a century cleaning Beelzebub's dope house every morning by consuming the urine, excrement, and vomit left by Satan and his revelers.

Another offender listed in the ACLU report is Huachuri, an Incan peasant who used a coca-leaf-based marital aid in 1311. As punishment, he is sodomized continually by a winged, razor-penised goat.

Defenders of God's law argue that eternal punishments like these are the only way to deter other drug users, and preserve order in God's kingdom.

"This is not about revolving-door justice," St. Peter said. "While the word of God will keep some on the straight and narrow, Heavenly studies show that eternal damnation is the only deterrent that really works."

Horowitz said that while drug offenders are literally rotting away in Hell, serial killers and other dangerous sinners are receiving "mere Purgatorial sentences, thanks to the asking-for-forgiveness loophole." Purgatory is a minimum-security state of limbo that affords its occupants the opportunity to repent their sins and eventually gain admittance to Heaven on good behavior.

"Drug offenders, many of whom have committed no prior mortal sin, rack up infinite consecutive life sentences," Horowitz said. "Meanwhile, rapists say they're sorry, recite a few Hail Marys, and wind up basking in God's divine radiance within 10 years."

Among those who oppose God's laws are the stewards of Hell, who argue that his harsh anti-drug penalties have taxed the capacities of the underworld.

"I have one ravenous and overworked hellhound assigned to terrorize 12 methamphetamine users," the demon Abracax said. "After 14 hours in the dog's digestive tract, they are excreted and revived, at which point, I give them another shot of methamphetamine. The dog's exhausted—he was originally intended to be responsible for two users at most."

According to Horowitz, even leaving aside questions of civil liberties in the afterlife, God's drug laws are problematic.

"These laws, simply put, don't work," Horowitz said. "What the Heavenly hosts need to consider is some sort of angelic early-intervention program at the pre-death level, or at the very least, some form of afterlife rehab."

ryan
October 12th, 2005, 03:40 PM
Awesome.

Ninjahedge
October 12th, 2005, 06:02 PM
That's a weak slippery slope argument. You could say that a person who watches TV too much (or wastes time on internet forums for that matter) could be accomplishing more, but waste their time on time wasters. Anything in excess can keep people from realizing their potential.

Who says I am not?

Pleasure items have this nasty side effect of making people spend more time enjoying themselves than improving their lifestyle.

I am being serious here. If there is no potential (voltage) there is no change (current). If things like Alcohol and Pot stem the uneasiness people feel about their lives, they are not motivated to do anything about it than drink and smoke more when things get worse (for the most part, and to a limit).


My vice is games. If I spent half the time studying for anything as I did with games....well...I would not be president, but that is another mater alltogether. ;)

lofter1
October 12th, 2005, 06:02 PM
As for the edge, that is the point. But how muchedge needs to be take off? And how often?

Just curious:

Is it Ninja - hedge?

or Ninjah - EDGE?

Ninjahedge
October 13th, 2005, 08:58 AM
Ningah....

Is that a rastafarian Ninja? Ninjah-mahn!

lofter1
October 13th, 2005, 11:08 PM
The good news is in the last two paragraphs ...

Drug agents can't keep up with pot growers

By John Ritter, USA TODAY

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2005-10-12-pot-growers-cover_x.htm


NORTHERN MENDOCINO COUNTY, Calif. — In the waning days of a record season, a helicopter buzzes treetops here in a remote corner of the "Emerald Triangle," redwood country notorious as the USA's premier producer of marijuana.

http://images.usatoday.com/news/_photos/2005/10/13/pot-search-inside.jpghttp://images.usatoday.com/_common/_images/clear.gif
Martin Klimek for USA TODAY

A California narcotics officer
confiscates marijuana plants
in Mendocino County.


State narcotics officers from CAMP — Campaign Against Marijuana Planting — are searching for "gardens" to eradicate and find six on a warm, cloudless day.

They strap onto a 150-foot cable dangling from the chopper, drop into the pot patches, hack down the plants and bundle them for the chopper to haul back to a landing zone.

Perhaps $500,000 worth of America's favorite illegal drug is trucked off for burial. It's not a big day by CAMP standards: 813 plants that fill a pickup bed. In this ever-growing illicit market, agents routinely find plots of 5,000 and 10,000 plants that require dump trucks to dispose of.

In the 2005 growing season, CAMP says it so far has destroyed more plants than ever — 1.1 million worth $4.5 billion on the street, up from 621,000 plants last year. But agents still lost ground to growers. No longer is marijuana cultivation the cottage industry that flourished in the 1960s and '70s after waves of counterculture migrants bought cheap land in the northern California mountains and grew pot for their own use and extra income.

Mexican criminals using sophisticated methods have spread the marijuana industry across California, traditionally the nation's main domestic source because of a mild climate and vast stretches of isolated landscape ideal for clandestine growing, say the authorities.

As recently as 10 years ago, the Emerald Triangle counties of Humboldt, Mendocino and Trinity grew virtually all of the state's pot. Now every California county that's not desert has a problem. Because of tighter security on the southern U.S. border, Mexicans simply made a business decision to move north.

"In the last two or three years almost 100% of the gardens we've eradicated are Mexican drug cartel gardens," says James Parker, the senior narcotics agent who oversees CAMP. "It's alarming if you think about it."

Today's high potency weed is so valuable — $5,000 or more for a pound of buds on the East Coast — that big operators employ armed guards who camp in pot gardens for months, nurturing plants that grow to 15 feet and taller. A state Fish and Game officer was wounded and a suspect shot and killed in a Santa Clara County bust in June, the fourth incident in two years.

Scarring the landscape

There would be more violence if growers weren't able to flee at the sound of a helicopter looking for gardens, says Jack Nelsen, CAMP's regional operations commander here. "This time of year, they won't go far —— the plants are worth too much," he says. "If we don't come back soon enough they'll be in there harvesting until we do."

Fishermen and hikers stumble onto armed men in the woods who threaten them and demand that they leave. Pot-growing has become epidemic both on privately owned timber tracts and public lands in California, including national forests and parks.

"A lot of terrain is so rugged and dense with foliage you wouldn't think about taking your family to those areas," Parker says. "It's amazing how much work these Mexicans put in to get a crop out."

Growers scar the landscape by crudely terracing hillsides that erode under winter rain. They spill pesticides, fertilizer and diesel fuel used to power generators that run extensive drip-irrigation systems. They dam creeks for water sources, plant salsa gardens, disfigure trees and leave behind tons of garbage, human waste and litter.

"They'll pour fertilizer right into a stream, then irrigate out of it," says Alexandra Picavet, a Sequoia National Park ranger. "That creates algae blooms, hurts fish and animals and contaminates downstream." Since 2001, officers have destroyed 105 pot gardens covering 181 acres in the park but have had enough money to clean up fewer than half the sites. "We think that for every one we've been able to eradicate, there's another one out there," Picavet says.

CAMP's critics equate the program with Prohibition in the 1930s.

"Look at the amount of economic value we're destroying," says Dale Gieringer, director of California NORML, the National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws. "This could be legally taxed and regulated and we could all be making money off it. We never saw this lawlessness until there were drug laws and CAMP." NORML estimates that Californians' pot consumption could yield at least $250 million a year in sales taxes.
Gieringer also says that, despite the government's assertion, there is no evidence that Mexican cartels are involved in the cultivation.

Roger Rodoni is a cattle rancher and registered Republican who has represented a conservative district in Humboldt County — conservative by local standards, anyway — on the board of supervisors since 1997. He calls CAMP "an exercise in futility."

"It's a vast expenditure of public funds that for all practical purposes does no good," Rodoni, 65, says. Demand for marijuana keeps growing, and CAMP has done little to stem the supply, he says. As evidence he points to a drop in the price of "the quality stuff'" from $6,000 a pound a few years ago to $3,000 today.

A June report for Taxpayers for Common Sense by Harvard economist Jeffrey Miron found that despite billions of dollars spent on marijuana suppression — nearly $4 billion by the federal government in 2004 alone — usage is about the same as 30 years ago.

CAMP, an arm of the state attorney general's office, was formed in 1983 to help understaffed local authorities ferret out large-scale marijuana crops grown for profit, particularly in isolated areas far from roads where helicopters were needed. Five eradication teams deployed in different regions of the state operated this year on a $1.1 million budget, about three-quarters of it supplied by the federal Drug Enforcement Administration.

CAMP agents, with help from local sheriff's deputies and loaners from the National Guard, the state forestry department, the U.S. Forest Service and the National Park Service, have arrested 42 suspects, seized 76 weapons and raided 742 gardens.

But CAMP has made little headway penetrating and prosecuting the Mexican hierarchies allegedly behind most of the busted gardens. "They're similar to al-Qaeda, they're cells," says Sgt. James "Rusty" Noe of the Mendocino County sheriff's office. "We go out and find some guy in the garden and we arrest him, he's not going to know anything."

Since last year, two CAMP investigative teams have concentrated on tracking the Mexican drug bosses, and arrests have been made in Fresno and Redding. Parker says he'll ask for three more investigative units for 2006.

CAMP teams start reconnaissance flights in early spring as growers are preparing gardens — clearing land, setting up water systems, hauling in supplies and setting up campsites. When agents see a garden from the helicopter they fix its location with GPS.

Growers adapt to surveillance

Seizures have risen dramatically because of more aggressive air surveillance and larger gardens. But growers have adapted, CAMP's Nelsen says. They used to plant uniform plots in open ground — marijuana thrives in full sunlight — but those were easily spotted, even from an airplane at 5,000 feet.

Now gardens are tucked under the forest canopy, often on steep slopes, and strung out along hillside contours so they're much harder to see. Growers expect many of their gardens to be busted, so they put as many plants in the ground in as many locations as they can.

"It's a lot like what they do on the border," Parker says. "They'll try to send 70 cars through thinking a few are going to get picked off and that it's a cost of doing business."

These days, other counties have eclipsed the Emerald Triangle in confiscated marijuana. Shasta County led the state as of last week, according to CAMP figures: 209,864 plants eradicated compared with 52,133 all of last year.

The Central Valley counties of Tulare and Fresno, two of the nation's biggest agricultural producers, now rank No. 2 and 4. Mendocino had the fifth most plants seized, and Humboldt has slipped to No. 12. CAMP doesn't operate in California's two most populous counties, Los Angeles and San Diego, because authorities there have ample resources to go after marijuana themselves, Parker says.

"The Mexicans have basically found out how easy it is to find locations and find people to work these gardens," Nelsen says. "These organizations are even moving into some of the eastern counties in snow country."

Cultivation of medical marijuana, legalized by California voters in 1996, has expanded the supply, particularly from indoor production, and complicated efforts to crack down on the illegal market.

CAMP doesn't bother with medical marijuana growers, even large ones who say they're providing pot to many sick people. "We're not here to take anyone's medicine away," Nelsen says.

But medical marijuana has made it harder to figure out who the bad guys are, Noe says. The law left it up to counties and cities to set guidelines. Some have zero tolerance for medical marijuana; others have set limits on the number of plants. Mendocino County is wide open.

"The amount of marijuana cultivated in this county almost doubled because anybody can grow it in their backyard," Noe says. "The criminal element has taken advantage of the law."

Mendocino County started going after pot growers in the early 1980s after a spate of violence. Six deputy sheriffs, a sergeant, a legal secretary and an evidence technician operated on a $500,000 budget, Noe says. Today, it's Noe, a deputy and a $300,000 budget.

But with CAMP's help, the cops are more effective, he says, more than doubling the number of plants destroyed in the county compared with early years.

And each of those plants carries a lot more kick today. No more of the baggies with stems and seeds that baby boomers remember from their college days. Growers learned to "sex" the plants — cull the males early in the season to deny the females pollination and prevent buds from going to seed.

In a futile effort to attract pollen, the female plants produce more and more THC, the active ingredient and the source of marijuana's "high." The plant's buds get fatter and fatter. By September, they're sticky with THC and ready to harvest.

"Back in the '60s and '70s the stuff imported from Mexico, there wasn't much bud to it," Noe says. "If it was good quality maybe the THC was 5%."

Tests nowadays find THC content as high as 21%, he says.

Ninjahedge
October 14th, 2005, 09:20 AM
Well, maybe they should LEGALIZE THE CRAP and make it less profitable.

The destruction of the landscape is something that I can't support either. But coming in with SWAT teams is just more $$ we are spending that will on ly serve to hike up the prices even more.

BrooklynRider
October 14th, 2005, 09:59 AM
I never met a violent pot head.

lofter1
October 14th, 2005, 10:13 AM
Well, maybe they should LEGALIZE THE CRAP and make it less profitable.

The destruction of the landscape is something that I can't support either. But coming in with SWAT teams is just more $$ we are spending that will on ly serve to hike up the prices even more.

Nijahedge: As poster #100 on this thread you win a big HIT from the BONG ! :cool:

Ninjahedge
October 14th, 2005, 10:56 AM
Nijahedge: As poster #100 on this thread you win a big HIT from the BONG ! :cool:

So what does poster #69 get?

kz1000ps
October 14th, 2005, 01:11 PM
Likewise, what shall be planned for when this thread hits 420 posts (God forbid this goes on that long)? They will be the real winner!

NYatKNIGHT
October 14th, 2005, 01:36 PM
Group celebration. Is Laser Floyd still around?

Ninjahedge
October 14th, 2005, 02:06 PM
Group celebration. Is Laser Floyd still around?

I don't think so, but his distant cousin, Laser Zeke may be available.

Gab
October 14th, 2005, 06:27 PM
Is there any cops in United States who smoke the weed they busted? I know some SQ(Sûreté du Québec) officers do that. Any way when cops seize any weed they don't tell people the truth concerning the seizure amount.

If pot is legal how do you want it legal? Personally, government should not own that business as the S.A.Q. does for the alcohol. Canadian government made a proposition about pot, that government proposed that people would pay $12(in canadian dollar) for a joint, no way it's too expensive because I can get a cheaper price at the black market.

lofter1
October 14th, 2005, 07:11 PM
I say legalize it and regulate it, similar to alcohol & cigarettes (though they will kill us with the taxes).

And here is some news from Canada (gotta love 'em up north):

Study turns pot wisdom on head

By DAWN WALTON
Friday, October 14, 2005 Posted at 3:57 AM EDT
From Friday's Globe and Mail

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20051014.wxcanna1014/BNStory/specialScienceandHealth/


Calgary — Forget the stereotype about dopey potheads. It seems marijuana could be good for your brain.

While other studies have shown that periodic use of marijuana can cause memory loss and impair learning and a host of other health problems down the road, new research suggests the drug could have some benefits when administered regularly in a highly potent form.

Most "drugs of abuse" such as alcohol, heroin, cocaine and nicotine suppress growth of new brain cells. However, researchers found that cannabinoids promoted generation of new neurons in rats' hippocampuses.

Hippocampuses are the part of the brain responsible for learning and memory, and the study held true for either plant-derived or the synthetic version of cannabinoids.

"This is quite a surprise," said Xia Zhang, an associate professor with the Neuropsychiatry Research Unit at the University of Saskatchewan in Saskatoon.

"Chronic use of marijuana may actually improve learning memory when the new neurons in the hippocampus can mature in two or three months," he added.

The research by Dr. Zhang and a team of international researchers is to be published in the November issue of the Journal of Clinical Investigation, but their findings are on-line now.

The scientists also noticed that cannabinoids curbed depression and anxiety, which Dr. Zhang says, suggests a correlation between neurogenesis and mood swings. (Or, it at least partly explains the feelings of relaxation and euphoria of a pot-induced high.)

Other scientists have suggested that depression is triggered when too few new brain cells are created in the hippocampus. One researcher of neuropharmacology said he was "puzzled" by the findings.

As enthusiastic as Dr. Zhang is about the potential health benefits, he warns against running out for a toke in a bid to beef up brain power or calm nerves.

The team injected laboratory rats with a synthetic substance called HU-210, which is similar, but 100 times as potent as THC (delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol), the compound responsible for giving marijuana users a high.

They found that the rats treated regularly with a high dose of HU-210 -- twice a day for 10 days -- showed growth of neurons in the hippocampus. The researchers don't know if pot, which isn't as pure as the lab-produced version, would have the same effect.

"There's a big gap between rats and humans," Dr. Zhang points out.
But there is a lot of interest -- and controversy -- around the use of cannabinoids to improve human health.

Cannabinoids, such as marijuana and hashish, have been used to address pain, nausea, vomiting, seizures caused by epilepsy, ischemic stroke, cerebral trauma, tumours, multiple sclerosis and a host of other maladies.

There are herbal cannabinoids, which come from the cannabis plant, and the bodies of humans and animals produce endogenous cannabinoids. The substance can also be designed in the lab.

Cannabinoids can trigger the body's two cannabinoid receptors, which control the activity of various cells in the body.

One receptor, known as CB1, is found primarily in the brain. The other receptor, CB2, was thought to be found only in the immune system.

However, in a separate study to be published today in the journal Science, a group of international researchers have located the CB2 receptor in the brain stems of rats, mice and ferrets.

The brain stem is responsible for basic body function such as breathing and the gastrointestinal tract. If stimulated in a certain way, CB2 could be harnessed to eliminate the nausea and vomiting associated with post-operative analgesics or cancer and AIDS treatments, according to the researchers.

"Ultimately, new therapies could be developed as a result of these findings," said Keith Sharkey, a gastrointestinal neuroscientist at the University of Calgary, lead author of the study.

(Scientists are trying to find ways to block CB1 as a way to decrease food cravings and limit dependence on tobacco.)

When asked whether his findings explain why some swear by pot as a way to avoid the queasy feeling of a hangover, Dr. Sharkey paused and replied: "It does not explain the effects of smoked or inhaled or ingested substances."

ZippyTheChimp
October 14th, 2005, 10:09 PM
I believe that poor grammar will be the downfall of this country.

lofter1
October 14th, 2005, 10:27 PM
This country done already begun the down fall ...

ryan
October 15th, 2005, 12:38 AM
Then I will cause the downfall of this country, but that was the point of my last post anyway. If that was directed at me, why do people point out my errors when I am one of the few people my age that actually types out ''you'', I also capitalize the first word of a sentence, and end it with a period, or a session of periods. From now on I will stop using commas and simply say 'stop'. If you are not on the platform stop I will understand stop I need someone to carry my luggage stop.

I'm still not convinced you're not high already.

ZippyTheChimp
October 15th, 2005, 09:52 AM
I'm still not convinced you're not high already.

This may help convince you.

http://www.websmileys.com/sm/smoking/rauch25.gif

ryan
October 15th, 2005, 01:19 PM
mmm... something stronger then.

Ninjahedge
October 17th, 2005, 11:26 AM
I believe that poor grammar will be the downfall of this country.


How, do you figure, that, Zippy, ?

Ninjahedge
October 17th, 2005, 11:30 AM
And Law, you are getting DISorderLY.

Reign it in. You should know that an absolute stance on anything is a sure way to get opposition.

If you are unwilling to see any points the other side says, and start bringing out phrases like "Well if this starts, it is the beginning of the fall of the US!!!!" all you will get is rolled eyes.

Put some work into it and stop trying to convince us that YOU are right because YOU use the word YOU and capitolize the first letter of your sentances.

ZippyTheChimp
October 17th, 2005, 12:37 PM
How, do you figure, that, Zippy, ?
Just sarcasm. Both my statement and the target are equally overblown.

However, regarding the argument that pot-smoking results in deferred self-improvement projects: Ryan observed that excessive TV watching could produce the same result.

TV was an occasional recreation during my youth; much of my time was spent with a chillum in my face. In spite of my drug-induced stupor, I've managed to become proficient at the King's English, maybe to a greater level than some others who watch too much TV.

I can't think of a more worthy self-improvement project. At least I can bullshit my way through a job interview.

L&O should realize that this thread is somewhat tongue-in-cheek, and that although technology is mostly digital, the real world is very much analog.

Ninjahedge
October 17th, 2005, 01:43 PM
Zip, thing is, I know friends that have done very well, or not from doing all the vices that we have mentioned here.

Watching too much TV, playing video games, smoking pot, drinking, et all.

When any is done in any significant ammount, it does distract you from other things you could be doing.

Like I said, my vice is the gaming. But being that the only other things that I sort of liked like woodworking were not readily available in an apartment in Hoboken, there is not much else you can do.

Besides the fact that they were a distraction from life and the workday.

Anyway, I was a vidiot myself. I think I have done fairly well in life.

I think I could have done better if I had not spent as much time watching TV, but I do not think that I have "ruined" myself from watching as much as I did.

But there are always exceptions to the rules....

IN GENERAL, doing these things makes it so that the primary motivating force in life, displeasure, is reduced and it makes improvement which is primarily saught to lessen the displeasure, less apparent or desired.

The only things I have heard from any of these substances/devices is that they help people deal with life. Help them deal with stress or forget about things they don't want to worry about 24/7.




Anywhoo, I think you guys get the point I am trying to make, so no need beating a Stoned Pony.

Supercool Dude
October 17th, 2005, 02:47 PM
L&O, Bulloney! your statements are quite disturbing.

You speak childish nonsense.

Cannabis has been legal in Netherlands and Moorocco for over 30 years and their societies have not fallen into total collapse!

If you toke Cannabis, you may write a song like the Beatles or Willy Nelson build a Home Computer like Jobs & Wozniak did or invent the DNA-PCR Test that has been used to free innocent men from jail and convict the real criminals or run for President like Bill Clinton or...........

You remind me of a former Japanese Prime Minister who said Americans have become underachievers and are lazy and unproductive........

.................And then a US Senator made fun of him by suggesting they look at images of Nuclear Mushroom Clouds and Budwieser Beer made a commercial showing Americans golfing.........on the Moon's Surface!

I quit makin Pot Brownies back in 1973 because it did not get me high and it gave me stomach upset.

ZippyTheChimp
October 17th, 2005, 03:36 PM
A story from my high school days:

The parents of a friend of mine went away for the weekend, and we had a house party. Nothing wild - we were in Manhattan Beach and the cops would have been on us instantly, but there was grass, and someone made brownies.

The girl I was dating at the time was, how should I put it - to die for. I was in a state somewhere between hormones splashing off the walls and walking on eggs so as not to mess things up.

She had this cute little dachshund, ironically named Sunshine. Dogs love chocolate, and to stop his begging, I gave him a pinch of the brownies. It was just a little bit, but the dog was only about 10 pounds.

Nothing bad happened. If you know how slinky a dachshund is when you hold him, well, he got really S-L-I-N-K-Y. He was on his back on a sofa when...

funny, I had to recall her name as I typed this...

Jessica came in the room.She asked what was wrong with Sunshine, who was fighting a mock battle with an imaginary dog mate. I innocently told her that I gave the dog a bit of brownie, and she exploded, ranting at me, all the while holding a totally oblivious squirming piece of sausage under her arm. I tried not to laugh, but of course, I did.

A chicken farm of broken eggs.

lofter1
October 19th, 2005, 02:23 PM
Another excuse ...

Study: Functional role for cannabinoids in respiratory stability during sleep

http://www.letfreedomgrow.com/cmu/cannabis_and_sleep_apnea.htm


STUDY OBJECTIVES: Serotonin, acting in the peripheral nervous system, can exacerbate sleep-related apnea, and systemically administered serotonin antagonists reduce sleep-disordered respiration in rats and bulldogs. Because cannabinoid receptor agonists are known to inhibit the excitatory effects of serotonin on nodose ganglion cells, we examined the effects of endogenous (oleamide) and exogenous (delta9-tetrahydrocannabinol; delta9THC) cannabimimetic agents on sleep-related apnea.

PARTICIPANTS: Eleven adult male Sprague-Dawley rats were instrumented for chronic polysomnography.

INTERVENTIONS: Animals were recorded following intraperitoneal injection of various doses of delta9THC, oleamide, and serotonin, alone and in combination.

MEASUREMENTS AND RESULTS: Our data show that delta9THC and oleamide each stabilized respiration during all sleep stages. With delta9THC, apnea index decreased by 42% (F=2.63; p=0.04) and 58% (F=2.68; p=0.04) in NREM and REM sleep, respectively. Oleamide produced equivalent apnea suppression.

This observation suggests an important role for endocannabinoids in maintaining autonomic stability during sleep. Oleamide and delta9THC blocked serotonin-induced exacerbation of sleep apnea (p<0.05 for each), suggesting that inhibitory coupling between cannabinoids and serotonin receptors in the peripheral nervous system may act on apnea expression.

CONCLUSIONS: This study demonstrates potent suppression of sleep-related apnea by both exogenous and endogenous cannabinoids. These findings are of relevance to the pathogenesis and pharmacological treatment of sleep-related breathing disorders.

Ninjahedge
October 19th, 2005, 02:27 PM
You mean a seditive helps you sleep?

Go fig.

Next thing you know they will find that Alcohol helps you pass out... ;)

lofter1
October 19th, 2005, 02:48 PM
http://www.mycathatesyou.com/images/site/book/ravi.jpg

lofter1
October 26th, 2005, 10:25 PM
Some really good news ...

Pot not a major cancer risk: report

By Amy Norton
Wed Oct 26,12:29 PM ET

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20051026/hl_nm/pot_cancer_dc&printer=1

SOURCE: Harm Reduction Journal
October 18, 2005.


Although both marijuana and tobacco smoke are packed with cancer-causing chemicals, other qualities of marijuana seem to keep it from promoting lung cancer, according to a new report.

The difference rests in the often opposing actions of the nicotine in tobacco and the active ingredient, THC, in marijuana, says Dr. Robert Melamede of the University of Colorado in Colorado Springs.

He reviewed the scientific evidence supporting this contention in a recent issue of Harm Reduction Journal.

Whereas nicotine has several effects that promote lung and other types of cancer, THC acts in ways that counter the cancer-causing chemicals in marijuana smoke, Melamede explained in an interview with Reuters Health.
"THC turns down the carcinogenic potential," he said.

For example, lab research indicates that nicotine activates a body enzyme that converts certain chemicals in both tobacco and marijuana smoke into cancer-promoting form. In contrast, studies in mice suggest that THC blocks this enzyme activity.

Another key difference, Melamede said, is in the immune system effects of tobacco and marijuana. Smoke sends irritants into the respiratory system that trigger an immune-regulated inflammatory response, which involves the generation of potentially cell-damaging substances called free radicals. These particles are believed to contribute to a range of diseases, including cancer.

But cannabinoids -- both those found in marijuana and the versions found naturally in the body -- have been shown to dial down this inflammatory response, Melamede explained.

Another difference between tobacco and marijuana smoking, he said, has to do with cells that line the respiratory tract. While these cells have receptors that act as docks for nicotine, similar receptors for THC and other cannabinoids have not been found.

Nicotine, Melamede said, appears to keep these cells from committing "suicide" when they are genetically damaged, by smoking, for instance. When such cells do not kill themselves off, they are free to progress into tumors.

THC, however, does not appear to act this way in the respiratory tract -- though, in the brain, where there are cannabinoid receptors, it may have the beneficial effect of protecting cells from death when they are damaged from an injury or stroke, according to Melamede.

All of this, he said, fits in with population studies that have failed to link marijuana smoking with a higher risk of lung cancer -- though there is evidence that pot users have more respiratory problems, such as chronic cough and frequent respiratory infections.

If marijuana does not promote lung cancer, that could factor into the ongoing debate over so-called medical marijuana. Melamede said he believes "marijuana has loads of medicinal value," for everything from multiple sclerosis, to the chronic pain of arthritis, to nausea caused by cancer treatment.

U.S. government officials, however, maintain that the evidence for medical marijuana is not there. Ten states allow people to use marijuana with a doctor's prescription, but the Supreme Court has ruled that federal law trumps state law.

Copyright © 2005 Reuters Limited.

Ninjahedge
October 27th, 2005, 09:12 AM
Sad to say, everyone is probably right on this.

I think the study probably does show a reduced risk, but that study in and of itself is not something to base all law and medical procedure on.

I think that the Federal Law in cases involving trafficing of a substance like this, or for whatever reason making it a federal concern, overrules state doctrine.

This is just such an incredibly stupid battle.

Supercool Dude
October 27th, 2005, 10:25 AM
Some of you guys are gonna hate me for this one! LOL

Actually, Cannabis causes more Braincells to grow......

Read it and weep.............

http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn8155

http://jpet.aspetjournals.org/cgi/content/full/293/3/807

Nancy Reagan can EAT ME! LOL

lofter1
October 27th, 2005, 10:54 AM
^ Lucky Nancy !! ROTFLMAO :D

lofter1
November 2nd, 2005, 12:01 PM
Denver Voters OK Marijuana Possession

By JON SARCHE
Associated Press Writer
Wed. Nov 2, 2005

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051102/ap_on_el_st_lo/denver_marijuana


Residents of the Mile High City have voted to legalize the possession of small amounts of marijuana for adults. Authorities, though, said state possession laws will be applied instead.

With 100 percent of precincts reporting early Wednesday, 54 percent, or 56,001 voters, cast ballots for the ordinance, while 46 percent, or 48,632 voters, voted against it.

Under the measure, residents over 21 years old could possess up to an ounce of marijuana.

"We educated voters about the facts that marijuana is less harmful to the user and society than alcohol," said Mason Tvert, campaign organizer for SAFER, or Safer Alternatives For Enjoyable Recreation. "To prohibit adults from making the rational, safer choice to use marijuana is bad public policy."

Bruce Mirken of the Washington, D.C.-based Marijuana Policy Project said he hoped the approval will launch a national trend toward legalizing a drug whose enforcement he said causes more problems than it cures.

Seattle, Oakland, Calif., and a few college towns already have laws making possession the lowest law enforcement priority.

The Denver proposal seemed to draw at least as much attention for supporters' campaign tactics as it did for the question of legalizing the drug.
Tvert argued that legalizing marijuana would reduce consumption of alcohol, which he said leads to higher rates of car accidents, domestic and street violence and crime.

The group criticized Mayor John Hickenlooper for opposing the proposal, noting his ownership of a popular brewpub. It also said recent violent crimes — including the shootings of four people last weekend — as a reason to legalize marijuana to steer people away from alcohol use.

Those tactics angered local officials and some voters. Opponents also said it made no sense to prevent prosecution by Denver authorities while marijuana charges are most often filed under state and federal law.

The measure would not affect the medical marijuana law voters approved in 2000. In June, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that medical marijuana laws in Colorado and nine other states would not protect licensed users from federal prosecution.

Also Tuesday, voters in the ski resort town of Telluride rejected a proposal to make possession of an ounce or less of marijuana by people 18 or older the town's lowest law enforcement priority. The measure was rejected on a vote of 308-332.


Copyright &#169; 2005 The Associated Press.

NYatKNIGHT
November 2nd, 2005, 12:33 PM
WTF. This couldn't have happened when I lived there?

But I'm glad to see it. I was worried that the extremist Christian conservatives had usurped the legal agenda in Colorado, but this shows that there are still plenty who are willing to defend being Rocky Mountain High. Even in the past, anyone caught with small amounts just got a ticket, and you had to be really blatant to even get that.

And in the ski towns? It might as well be legal since seemingly everyone has it, everyone knows it, and no one cares. One ride up the gondola even with total strangers and you're good to go. (Ahem, so I hear)

Ninjahedge
November 2nd, 2005, 02:28 PM
/me rides lift.

What's that smell?

TLOZ Link5
November 2nd, 2005, 05:18 PM
So how long before New York gets in on this? I swear, sometimes we're really behind the times. Pot possession here is an extremely low priority for law enforcement, anyway. Now the Denver police can focus on far more serious "crimes".

Dolphin
November 4th, 2005, 11:26 AM
Cannabis has been legal in Netherlands and Moorocco for over 30 years and their societies have not fallen into total collapse!

Since I am from the Netherlands, I would like to state that this is not entirely true, in the sence that it's legal, because I argee that my country has not fallen into total collapse ;-) . I know that the whole world think it's legal, but in the Netherlands cannabis is not legal. But we DO tolerate it, that means that although it's illegal the police would not do anything in certain cases. A person can have not more than 30 grams of cannabis for his own use and the shops can sell 5 grams per person per day. The police would not do anything about that. The shops are not somewhere in a back alley, no they are in the middle of the city. The strange thing is that the production is also illegal and is not tolerated. So you ask yourself: how do they get there stuff? Yes well: illegally. For the first time there's a majority in our government that wants to make the production legal or at least tolerate.

I know this sounds trange for a lot of people, that we tolerate somethings that in our law books say it's illegal, but that's something we do a lot (sometimes annoying I might say). I know that a lot of countries see my country as the bad country with no morals. They think that cannabis will lead to the hard-drugs, bu there is research that this is not true! And the 'funny' thing is that the percentage of people in the US (where there's much more hard policy) that has every used cannabis, is bigger than in my country. If you are interested, you can take a look at this: http://www.minbuza.nl/default.asp?CMS_TCP=tcpAsset&id=175A6D3F70164607A386D43B61DC135FX2X42819X14

Look at Annex II: US 36,9%, NL 17%
Annex IV: US 34%, NL 21%

And my country has the least problem with problematic hard-drugs users in the European Union, see Annex VI


Oh and if you like to know more about the other (to some bad) things in my country, like gay marriage, prostitution: http://www.minbuza.nl/default.asp?CMS_ITEM=MBZ257588

lofter1
November 9th, 2005, 08:35 PM
Hmmm, makes for some darn tasty waffles ...

Trucker caught at Peace Bridge with load of pot

By DAN HERBECK
News Staff Reporter
11/8/2005

http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial/20051108/1069591.asp


A trucker who told Peace Bridge inspectors he was hauling frozen waffles was arrested after the inspectors also found 320 pounds of hydroponic marijuana in his trailer.

Authorities said Daniel Herbert, 32, of Chatham, Ont., faces felony charges of conspiracy and smuggling. He was arrested Saturday at the bridge by inspectors from the Customs and Border Protection division.

Herbert is a participant in the Free And Secure Trade (FAST) program, a prescreening program that allows truckers to more quickly move their loads between the United States and Canada, homeland security spokesman Kevin Corsaro said.

The marijuana has an estimated street sale value of nearly $1 million (U.S.), authorities said.

According to Corsaro, Herbert was traveling from Canada into Buffalo when he presented documents identifying his cargo as frozen waffles. But when inspectors used a gamma ray scanning device to examine the load from outside, an unusual shape was noticed among the waffles.

Upon closer examination, inspectors found the pot, wrapped in 1,152 vacuum-sealed bags and commingled with the legitimate freight.

"There is a higher level of trust and confidence in the security of participants in the CBP Registered Travel Programs such as FAST," Corsaro said. "Therefore, when a violation occurs in one of these programs, [the government] will prosecute the participant to the fullest extent of the law."

Edward
November 10th, 2005, 09:42 AM
http://www.as-e.com/products_solutions/cargo_vehicle_inspection.asp

Z&#174; Backscatter X-ray image reveals cocaine in a truckload of bananas.

http://www.as-e.com/img/gallery/full/ase_02B.jpg


4.5 ton marijuana seizure in Mexico. The Z&#174; Backscatter image clearly shows the marijuana hidden under trash and behind a false wall.

http://www.as-e.com/img/gallery/full/ase_01b.jpg

Ninjahedge
November 10th, 2005, 10:11 AM
Idiots have to learn how to hide it better!

They make so much money off of this, you would think they would come up with a better way of hiding it than a fake panel!!!!

lofter1
November 27th, 2005, 10:49 AM
The down side of the government's failure to legalize / regulate pot use ...

Pot Gardens Expanding In the Emerald Triangle

Sonya Geis
Sunday, November 27, 2005

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/26/AR2005112600776.html?nav=rss_print/asection


California's national parks and forests have long been known as havens of wildlife and natural beauty. They are also, increasingly, the refuge of gun-toting drug cartels growing large tracts of marijuana.

Authorities seized 1.1 million marijuana plants during this year's fall harvest, nearly twice as many as last year, itself a record. Almost three-quarters of the marijuana seized was grown on public land.

http://media3.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/photo/2005/11/26/PH2005112600779.jpg
Photo Credit: Sequoia National Park Via Associated Press Photo
In 2002, rangers in Sequoia National Park destroyed more than 35,000 marijuana plants.
This fall, they seized a million plants.

Pot farms are especially common in the so-called Emerald Triangle, where dense redwoods grow in the northern part of the state.

State officials conducted approximately the same number of raids as last year, California Attorney General Bill Lockyer said, but the gardens they found were bigger than in the past.

"Armed criminal growers are more willing than ever to use public lands that put outdoor enthusiasts at risk and damage California's environment," Lockyer said.


© 2005 The Washington Post Company

mgp
December 8th, 2005, 10:28 AM
There is one less door to door delivery service out there...

http://wcbstv.com/topstories/local_story_341213544.html

Ninjahedge
December 8th, 2005, 01:31 PM
Funny schtuff.....


I guess the lesson learned is, that when running a drug ring if any of your posts get ransacked, you have to cut any connections that that house serviced, including any employees, no matter what the loss.


Either that, or don't leave your neighbors body dead with a bag of pot and a shotgun lying next door.... :p

lofter1
December 11th, 2005, 10:00 PM
Federal Marijuana Monopoly Challenged

Researchers Want to Grow More Plants and Find More Medicinal Uses

By Marc Kaufman
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, December 12, 2005

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/11/AR2005121100825_pf.html



For decades, the federal government has been the nation's only legal producer of marijuana for medical research. Working with growers at the University of Mississippi, the National Institute on Drug Abuse has controlled both the quality and distribution of the drug for the past 36 years.

But for the first time the government's monopoly on research marijuana is under serious legal challenge. The effort is being spearheaded by a group that wants to produce medicines from currently illegal psychedelic drugs and by a professor at the University of Massachusetts who has agreed to grow marijuana for it if the government lets him.

In a hearing due to start today before an administrative law judge at the Drug Enforcement Administration, professor Lyle Craker and his supporters will argue for a DEA license to grow the research drugs. It is the climax of a decades-long effort to expand research into marijuana and controlled drugs and of Craker's almost five-year effort to become a competing marijuana grower.

"Our work is focused on finding medicinal uses of plants, and marijuana is one with clear potential," said Craker, director of the medicinal plant program of the university's Department of Plant, Soil and Insect Sciences in Amherst, Mass., and editor of the Journal of Herbs, Spices and Medicinal Plants. "There's only one government-approved source of marijuana for scientific research in this country, and that just isn't adequate."

The DEA, which has to license anyone who wants to grow marijuana, disagrees.

The agency, as well as the National Institute on Drug Abuse, which formally runs the marijuana research program, argues that it is not in the public interest to have more than one source of marijuana, in part because it could lead to greater illicit use. What's more, they said in legal briefs, the Mississippi program supplies all the marijuana that researchers need. Agency officials declined to comment further.

In his suit against the DEA for a license to grow marijuana, Craker has backing from 38 members of Congress, the two senators from Massachusetts, numerous medical societies and even Grover Norquist, the president of the conservative Americans for Tax Reform.

The effort has been organized by Richard Doblin, president of the Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies (MAPS) and a longtime advocate of medical research into controlled drugs. It was Doblin who recruited Craker after the association concluded it would never get a dependable supply of government marijuana.

"Dr. Craker has no goal here except to advance scientific research into marijuana, and our goals are the same," said Doblin, whose group is also sponsoring research into other controlled drugs including MDMA (better known as "ecstasy") and the psychedelic mushroom psilocybin.

"By controlling who can research marijuana and how they can do it, the DEA has greatly limited promising research that could lead to [government] approved medications," Doblin said.

The problems, he said, are not limited to winning approval to buy the Mississippi marijuana. Doblin and other researchers contend that the government marijuana is low in quality and potency and could never be a stable source of basic ingredients if the Food and Drug Administration ever did approve a marijuana-based medication.

Marijuana, or cannabis, is now listed as a Schedule I drug -- with no medicinal use -- under the Controlled Substances Act. Its use was initially restricted in 1937 and eliminated from medicinal practice in 1942. On its Web site, the DEA lists marijuana as the most frequently abused illicit drug in America.

Since the 1970s, however, researchers have found potential uses for marijuana, or its active ingredient THC, in relieving nausea and vomiting associated with chemotherapy and to help with appetite loss in AIDS patients. A synthetic form of marijuana's active ingredient has been made into a prescription drug, Marinol.

Doblin said there are potentially many other medicinal uses of marijuana, including the treatment of multiple sclerosis and AIDS-related neuropathy. He also said researchers believe that if they can perfect a method of "vaporizing" marijuana -- allowing it to be inhaled rather than smoked -- it would be easier to administer as medicine.

But because of fears of illicit use, he said, the agency has essentially blocked the research. "I believe the DEA policy is one of delay, and they've succeeded in essentially blocking marijuana development for 30 years," Doblin said.

In its filings with Administrative Law Judge Mary Ellen Bittner, the DEA disputes the charge that it is standing in the way of marijuana research.

It says that medical marijuana research is underway in California using its Mississippi supply, and that the drug maker Mallinckrodt Inc. has a contract with the Mississippi supplier to produce extracts of cannabis for its drug development program. In addition, DEA lawyer Brian Bayly told the law judge in August, when the first five days of testimony were heard, that the quality and potency of the government's marijuana was acceptable to the researchers his agency surveyed.

The hearing is expected to continue through the week, with a decision several months later. If Craker and his team prevail, however, the DEA is not obliged to give him a license or change its policies. And as a result, they plan to continue lining up political support, such as the Nov. 22 letter sent by Norquist to the DEA.

"The use of controlled substances for legitimate research purposes is well-established, and has yielded a number of miracle medicines widely available to patients and doctors," Norquist wrote. "This case should be no different. It's in the public interest to end the government monopoly on marijuana legal for research."



&#169; 2005 The Washington Post Company

lofter1
December 13th, 2005, 10:37 AM
U.S. drug agents raid medical marijuana sites

By Jeff McDonald
UNION-TRIBUNE

December 12, 2005

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/metro/20051212-1611-bn12pot.html


SAN DIEGO – Federal drug agents fanned out across San Diego on Monday, clamping down on medical marijuana dispensaries that had been doling out marijuana to sick and dying patients.

At least two teams of agents removed pot and equipment from about a half-dozen businesses, which are permitted by state and local law but illegal under federal drug laws.

The move came as San Diego County supervisors have refused to abide by state medical-marijuana laws by issuing ID cards to qualified patients. It also means thousands of patients across the county now have nowhere to go to buy marijuana, which they say alleviates a variety of acute symptoms stemming from chronic health conditions.

The federal raids also were the latest high-profile move by U.S. Attorney Carol Lam, who in the past two weeks has won a plea agreement to bribery charges from disgraced Rep. Randy "Duke" Cunningham and challenged a federal judge's order tossing out corruption convictions of San Diego Councilman Michael Zucchet.

lofter1
January 3rd, 2006, 11:14 PM
Rhode Island legislators override governor's medical marijuana veto

RAW STORY (http://rawstory.com/)

http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Rhode_Island_legislators_override_governors_medica l_0103.html


The Rhode Island House of Representatives voted today to override Gov. Donald Carcieri's veto of a bill legalising medical marijuana.

The vote makes Rhode Island the 11th state to pass such a law, and the first to do so since Gonzales v. Raich, the June 6 Supreme Court decision that federal drug laws apply to medical marijuana users regardless of state or local exemptions.

Rhode Island legislators passed the bill on June 7, the following day. Carcieri vetoed the law, and the state Senate responded by voting the very next day to override. Tuesday's 59-13 pre-session House vote allows the law to take effect immediately.

Rhode Island's medical marijuana law is the third to be enacted by a state legislature, and the first that required override of a gubernatorial veto. A similar law is seen likely to pass in New Mexico, and two other states have introduced bills legalising marijuana for medical use.

lofter1
January 11th, 2006, 10:17 AM
Prison Term of 55 Years for Drugs Is Upheld

By KIRK JOHNSON (http://query.nytimes.com/search/query?ppds=bylL&v1=KIRK JOHNSON&fdq=19960101&td=sysdate&sort=newest&ac=KIRK JOHNSON&inline=nyt-per)
New York Times
January 11, 2006

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/11/national/11sentence.html?adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1136992757-bUGfLIeltT4v3GUZkOHs7A


DENVER, Jan. 10 - A federal appeals court has upheld a 55-year prison term imposed on a Utah man with no criminal record who was convicted in 2003 of selling several hundred dollars worth of marijuana on three occasions.

The case of the man, Weldon H. Angelos, a record producer from Salt Lake City who was 22 at the time of his crime, has become a benchmark in the debate about sentencing rules and justice. The trial judge in the case complained in issuing the sentence, which was required by federal statutes, that he thought it excessive, and 29 former judges and prosecutors agreed, in a brief filed on Mr. Angelos's behalf.

But a three-judge panel of the 10th Circuit Court of Appeals, in a decision issued here late Monday, rejected those arguments. The sentence properly reflected the will of Congress, the court said, and was not cruel or unusual punishment. Mr. Angelos was reported by a witness to have been armed with a pistol during two of the drug sales - and requiring stiffer sentences in cases where drugs and violence are linked, the court said, is legitimate social policy.

"Although the district court concluded that Angelos's sentence was disproportionate to his crimes, we disagree," the court said. "In our view, the district court failed to accord proper deference to Congress's decision to severely punish criminals who repeatedly possess firearms in connection with drug-trafficking crimes, and erroneously downplayed the seriousness of Angelos's crimes."

Mr. Angelos's lawyer, Jerome H. Mooney, said the decision would be appealed, either for reconsideration by the full Court of Appeals here in Denver or directly to the United States Supreme Court.

Mr. Angelos's sister, Lisa Angelos, said in a telephone interview from Salt Lake City that she had not yet been able to speak with her brother, who is serving his sentence at a federal prison in Lompoc, Calif.

"This was all of our hopes," Ms. Angelos said of the appeal.

The appeals panel did conclude that the police, in searching Mr. Angelos's home, had exceeded the limits of a search warrant as they looked for the source of a strong marijuana smell. But the evidence the officers found in following their noses, the court said, had not materially influenced the outcome.

The court also said that Mr. Angelos's lack of a criminal record appeared to be more about luck in not getting caught than any indication of innocence.

"The evidence presented by the government at trial clearly established that Angelos was a known gang member who had long used and sold illicit drugs," the court said. "In addition, the government's evidence established that Angelos possessed and used a number of firearms, some stolen, to facilitate his drug-dealing activities."

But Mr. Mooney, the defense lawyer, said he thought Mr. Angelos was a victim of politics and of courts that he called too willing to bend to political winds.

"How deferential to Congress should they be on these issues?" he said. "Courts are uncertain and are erring on the side of being more conservative than I think they ought to be."




Copyright 2006 (http://www.nytimes.com/ref/membercenter/help/copyright.html)The New York Times Company (http://www.nytco.com/)

Gab
January 11th, 2006, 02:14 PM
If the American government believe that pot is a junk, why those people allow such crapy restaurant like McDonald's, hot dog is a junk, candy is a junk, neuroleptic is a junk. I can be banned in United States if I try to cross the border with pot. Those who smoke weed, toke according to their free will.

lofter1
January 11th, 2006, 02:28 PM
But clearly best to do so when not packing a gun ...

lofter1
February 3rd, 2006, 01:34 PM
Amsterdam Selling New 'No Toking' Signs

Associated Press
Feb. 3, 2006

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060203/ap_on_re_eu/amsterdam_no_toking

If you can't beat 'em ... joint 'em? The City of Amsterdam has begun selling recently introduced "no toking" signs to prevent the official ones from being stolen as collector's items, a spokesman said Friday.

The signs were created as part of an experimental ban on smoking marijuana on the street in "De Baarsjes," one of the city's poorer neighborhoods. The measure, which went into effect Feb. 1, was intended to reduce loitering and petty crime.

"On Wednesday we placed the first sign, and it was gone the next morning," said Wim de Graaf. "We put up a new one Thursday, and it was taken the same night as well. That's when the idea came to us to just sell them."

The signs show two fingers holding a cone-shaped cigarette, with small white marijuana leaves on a black background — all enclosed within a red circle.
The city is selling them for 90 euros each (around US$110), and plans to donate the proceeds to charity.

"We're selling them at not much more than they cost, so we expect profits will be modest," De Graaf said. But he added that the city has already had many requests for the signs, some from outside the city.

Marijuana is technically illegal in the Netherlands, but police don't bother prosecuting possession of small amounts. It is openly sold in designated cafes known euphemistically as "coffee shops." But people who smoke marijuana outside in De Baarsjes risk a euro50 (US$60) fine.

De Graaf said the signs can be ordered via De Baarsje's Web site.

"Now everyone can have his own 'no toking' sign simply by ordering them through the city," the site says in a tongue-in-cheek advertisement.
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On the Net: http://www.baarsjes.amsterdam.nl

Copyright © 2006 The Associated Press

Ninjahedge
February 3rd, 2006, 02:37 PM
Smart cookies!

lofter1
March 10th, 2006, 06:11 PM
Court upholds "Bong Hits 4 Jesus" student banner


REUTERS
Mar 10, 2006

http://today.reuters.com/news/newsarticle.aspx?type=domesticNews&storyid=2006-03-10T202826Z_01_N10305991_RTRUKOC_0_US-RIGHTS-BANNER.xml&rpc=22

SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - An Alaska high school violated a student's free speech rights by suspending him after he unfurled a banner reading "Bong Hits 4 Jesus" across the street from the school, a federal court ruled on Friday.

Joseph Frederick, a student at Juneau-Douglas High School in Alaska, displayed the banner -- which refers to smoking marijuana -- in January 2002 to try to get on television as the Olympic torch relay was passing the school.

Principal Deborah Morse seized the banner and suspended the 18-year-old for 10 days, saying he had undermined the school's educational mission and anti-drug stance.

Friday's ruling by the U.S. 9th Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco overturned a decision by a federal court in Alaska that backed Frederick's suspension and said his rights were not violated.

The appeals court said the banner was protected speech because it did not disrupt school activity and was displayed off school grounds during a non-curricular activity.

"Public schools are instrumentalities of government, and government is not entitled to suppress speech that undermines whatever missions it defines for itself," Judge Andrew Kleinfeld wrote in the court's opinion.

The court also cleared the way for Frederick to seek damages, saying Morse was aware of relevant case law and should have known her actions violated his rights.

&#169; Reuters 2006

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Vid Report Here: http://pot.tv/archive/shows/pottvshowse-1273.html

mel frank
September 19th, 2006, 12:49 PM
This is a specious argument that was addressed in the late 1970s, when the late Dr. Richard Schultes from Harvard proposed that there possibly were two and possibly three different Cannabis species. Advocates for marijuana use argued during trials that the law stated cannabis sativa and that other species were therefore not covered. The claim was that the defendants were gowing C. Indica, a species not covered by the statutes.
A California court ruled that the laws intent was clear, and that intent was to make marijuana illegal. Further, whether or not there were more than one species of Cannabis was not a legal question, but a biological one.
At that time, as sympathetic as I was to the defendants, I wrote in the Marijuana Grower's Guide Deluxe that I believed that there was only one species of Cannabis-- C. sativa, and my opinion has not changed in 30 years. That there are distinct races and, certainly, distinct cultivars is beyond question, but simply appearing different or being cultivated for different products (hemp, marijuana, seed products) does not a species make. Species are natural, not man-made. If you would like to read a fuller explanation, read the Marijuana Grower's Guide Deluxe (www.redeyepress.com) (http://www.redeyepress.com)).
Sorry to rain on your parade of legal hope, but wishful thinking may get you in trouble. Work to change the laws rather than looking for loopholes.

lofter1
September 19th, 2006, 04:22 PM
Welcome, Mel ...

I'm not looking for loopholes ... just some chuckles.

I've got bigger battles to fight, so will have to sit this one out ;)

lofter1
November 6th, 2006, 07:03 PM
Pot Users Relying on Home Delivery

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/H/HOME_POT_DELIVERY?SITE=NVLAS&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

By TOM HAYS
Associated Press Writer
November 6, 2006

NEW YORK (AP) -- In a city where you can get just about anything delivered to your door - groceries, dry cleaning, Chinese food - pot smokers are increasingly ordering takeout marijuana from drug rings that operate with remarkable corporate-style attention to customer satisfaction.

An untold number of otherwise law-abiding professionals in New York are having their pot delivered to their homes instead of visiting drug dens or hanging out on street corners.

Among the legions of home delivery customers is Chris, a 37-year-old salesman in Manhattan. He dials a pager number and gets a return call from a cheery dispatcher who takes his order for potent strains of marijuana.

Within a couple of hours, a well-groomed delivery man - sometimes a moonlighting actor or chef - arrives at the doorstep of his Manhattan apartment carrying weed neatly packaged in small plastic containers.

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"These are very nice, discreet people," said Chris, who spoke to The Associated Press on condition only his first name be used. "There's an unspoken trust. It's better than going to some street corner and getting ripped off or killed."

The phenomenon isn't new. It has long been the case around the country that those with enough money and the right connections could get cocaine or other drugs discreetly delivered to their homes and places of business.

But experts say home delivery has been growing in popularity, thanks to a shrewder, corporate style of dealing designed to put customers at ease and avoid the messy turf wars associated with other drugs.

"It's certainly been the trend in the past 10 years in urban areas that are becoming gentrified," said Ric Curtis, an anthropology professor at John Jay College of Criminal Justice who specializes in the drug culture.

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The corporate model - and its profit potential - were demonstrated late last year when the Drug Enforcement Administration announced that it had taken down a highly sophisticated organization dubbed the Cartoon Network. DEA agents arrested 12 people after using wiretaps and surveillance and making undercover buys.

Authorities estimated that since 1999, the ring made a fortune by delivering more than a ton of marijuana, some of it grown hydroponically - without soil - in the basement of a Cape Cod-style home on 10 acres in Vermont, where an informant reported the smell of the crop was overpowering.

The dealers, working out of a roving call center, processed 600 orders a day - from doctors, lawyers, Wall Street traders - even on Christmas, investigators said. Authorities refused to give names, but in one conversation overheard last October, a courier boasted about the ring's upscale clientele, according to court papers.

"We know comedians. We know celebrities," the courier said. "So you might meet a rapper, a singer. We go to a lot of people."

One former customer named Lucia, a 30-year-old employee at an entertainment cable network, recalled blatant deals done at the company's Manhattan headquarters. Executives and employees alike would pool their orders as if they were buying lunch together, then await the arrival of a courier, Lucia said.

The cost was $60 for one plastic case holding two grams of marijuana - a steep markup, but worth it because of convenience and quality, she said.

"It was kind, kind bud," she said. "Yummy stuff."

The emphasis on customer service and satisfaction was evident at one stash house, where agents found more than 30 pounds of marijuana in plain view, already packaged for holiday delivery, court papers said. The packages featured the drug ring's cartoon character logo and the greeting, "Happy Holidays From Your Friends at Cartoon!"

The operation's alleged mastermind, John Nebel, "should have been the CEO of a Fortune 500 company," said his attorney, Steve Zissou.

Instead, Nebel, who is awaiting trial, could get a minimum of 10 years in federal prison if convicted. Prosecutors also are demanding the forfeiture of $22 million in cash, homes, cars, motorcycles and a boat owned by him and his cohorts.

At Lucia's workplace, employees were "bummed" by the news of Nebel's bust, Lucia said. But worries that the office might get raided evaporated, and other dealers stepped in, though "their product does not hold up to Cartoon," she said.

Investigators seized customers' names and addresses from the drug operation's computer logs. But those people face little risk of prosecution, authorities said.

Authorities conceded the home delivery trade will probably survive because of the high demand for marijuana and the low penalties for dealing it.

Under state law, most marijuana offenses "are not treated as very significant crimes," said Bridget G. Brennen, the city's special narcotic prosecutor. "That is why you see the marijuana delivery services proliferating. Their exposure is slight."

© 2006 The Associated Press.

OmegaNYC
November 6th, 2006, 07:27 PM
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Why didn't I think of that.... :rolleyes:

kz1000ps
November 6th, 2006, 11:07 PM
It's been going on in London for who knows how long. A friend did a semester abroad a few years back and he returned with tales of being able to order a pizza and a bag as if it was the most natural thing out there :D

LeCom
November 7th, 2006, 03:11 AM
Great, home delivery, so this way the pushers know your home address. That can't be dangerous, can it be?

Ninjahedge
November 7th, 2006, 09:48 AM
Its POT!

Jesus man! I wish they would draw another line between deleterious drugs and the deadly stuff.

I have not heard of anything particularly GOOD coming from anyone on weed (and don't get into music/art etc etc). It is a mild seditive with halucinatory effects (sometimes) that has not caused noe documented case of death in this country (moreso than inhaling any other LEGAL smoke).

Lumping them together with the same penalty and such is rediculous. If it was not as risky to do this kind of thing, you would not see guys like this having to return his $21M, they would not have been able to EARN that much on a drug that is so easily grown and harvested.

You draw a softer line between the hard and soft drug trade you will see a hell of a lot less crossover and a LOT less money being made on something whose worst effect is turning people into taco-bell eating couch potatoes.

daver
November 7th, 2006, 10:03 AM
I am of the opinion that pot is better than alcohol (meaning not as damaging or dangerous), and that caffeine is far worse than the pair of them put together. Having said that, you won't find me on pot for the simple reason of it just isn't worth it to break that law. Although I do occassionally cross between subway cars, as needed. Now THAT law is worth breaking. :D

Ninjahedge
November 7th, 2006, 11:51 AM
And it is safer than getting off a platform for the LIRR!!!

NYatKNIGHT
November 7th, 2006, 11:58 AM
It's been going on in London for who knows how long.It's been going on in New York for that long too.

Great, home delivery, so this way the pushers know your home address. That can't be dangerous, can it be?It hasn't been a problem that I've heard of. These delivery services want to be the best out there so the customers don't go to the competition. They apologize if it took a long time to ge there, they have specials, they often offer a sample. There is a leap of faith, but it goes both ways.

lofter1
December 1st, 2006, 08:08 PM
Court upholds "Bong Hits 4 Jesus" student banner

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SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - An Alaska high school violated a student's free speech rights by suspending him after he unfurled a banner reading "Bong Hits 4 Jesus" across the street from the school, a federal court ruled on Friday.


Fmr. Clinton Prosecutor Ken Starr Arguing (http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/1154AP_Scotus_Bong_Banner.html)
“Bong Hits 4 Jesus” Supreme Court Case…

Court takes 'Bong Hits 4 Jesus' case

By MARK SHERMAN
ASSOCIATED PRESS WRITER
December 1, 2006

WASHINGTON -- The Supreme Court stepped into a dispute over free speech Friday involving a suspended high school student and his banner that proclaimed "Bong Hits 4 Jesus."

The justices agreed to hear the appeal by the Juneau, Alaska, school board and principal Deborah Morse of a lower court ruling that allowed the student's civil rights lawsuit to proceed. The school board hired former Whitewater prosecutor Kenneth Starr to argue its case to the high court.

Morse suspended Frederick after he displayed the banner, with its reference to marijuana use, when the Olympic torch passed through Juneau in 2002 on its way to the Winter Games in Salt Lake City.

Frederick, then a senior, was off school property when he hoisted the banner but was suspended for violating the school's policy of promoting illegal substances at a school-sanctioned event.

The school board upheld the suspension, and a federal judge initially dismissed Frederick's lawsuit. The 9th Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals said the banner was vague and nonsensical and Frederick's civil rights had been violated.

At that point, the school board retained Starr, who investigated President Clinton's relationship with White House intern Monica Lewinsky. He took the case free of charge.

The appeals court said that even if the banner could be construed as a positive message about marijuana use, the school could not punish or censor a student's speech because it promotes a social message contrary to one the school favors.

Frederick said his motivation for unfurling the banner, at least 14 feet long, was simple: He wanted it seen on television since the torch relay event was being covered by local stations. When Morse saw it, she crossed the street from the school, grabbed the banner and crumpled it. She later suspended Frederick for 10 days.

Morse still works for the Juneau school system but is no longer the high school principal. Frederick is a student at the University of Idaho.

The court is expected to hear arguments in the case in late February. In addition to the First Amendment issue, the court also will consider whether Morse can be held personally liable for monetary damages.

The appeals panel said she could be held liable because she admitted to being aware of the pertinent case law regarding student rights. The court said the law was clear and Morse was aware of it when she punished Frederick.

The case is Juneau School Board v. Frederick, 06-278.

©1996-2006 Seattle Post-Intelligencer

lofter1
December 31st, 2006, 03:51 PM
A clip from "TAKING OFF (http://movies2.nytimes.com/mem/movies/review.html?res=9C03E2D8113BE73ABC4151DFB566838A66 9EDE)" (Milos Forman, 1971) where the late, great Vincent Schiavelli shows some curious parents (including Buck Henry) how to smoke a joint ...

Marijuanna Therapy Session!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pQEERcPCr4

http://images.auctionworks.com/hi/49/49228/1s_taking_off.jpg

More clips from Forman's FILMS (http://www.milosforman.com/dvds.html) : http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=milos+forman

lofter1
April 21st, 2008, 01:01 AM
CU’s 4/20 pot smoke-out draws crowd of 10,000

Police issue zero tickets during annual marijuana celebration

http://media.dailycamera.com/bdc/content/img/photos/2008/04/20/potSMALL254_t600.JPG
Photo By Kasia Broussalian
Students pack Norlin Quad on the University of Colorado campus to smoke marijuana
and celebrate "4-20" on April 20, 2008. Every year, students gather to smoke,
despite past attempts by police to control the crowds.

Boulder Daily Camera (http://www.dailycamera.com/news/2008/apr/20/cus-420-pot-smoke-out-draws-10000/)
By Vanessa Miller
April 20, 2008

Nine, eight, seven ... ”

A crowd of about 10,000 people collectively began counting down on the University of Colorado’s Norlin Quadrangle just before 4:20 p.m. today.

Yet the massive puff of pot smoke that hovers over CU’s Boulder campus every April 20 — the date of an annual, internationally recognized celebration of marijuana — began rising over the sea of heads earlier than normal this year.

“Oh forget it,” one student said, aborting the countdown to 4:20 p.m. and lighting his pipe early. He closed his eyes, taking a deep, long drag.
“Sweet.”

Although it’s become an annual and renowned event at CU, this year’s 4/20 celebration was different in some ways than in many previous years: The crowd was so large it migrated from the long-traditional site of Farrand Field to the larger Norlin quad; festivities kicked off earlier than normal with daytime concerts; and CU police handed out zero citations.

“At this point, none are anticipated,” said CU police Cmdr. Brad Wiesley.

Officers in the past have gone to great lengths to catch people in the illegal act of smoking pot on 4/20.

In 2006, CU police dispatched undercover photographers to snap pictures of smokers. Photos of 150 alleged offenders then were posted on the department’s Web site, and witnesses were offered $50 to positively identify the suspects — who then were ticketed. Another year, smokers on Farrand were doused with sprinklers.

“We can’t do the same thing year after year,” Wiesley said hours before today's smoking began. “So I doubt we’ll do anything like the pictures. ... There’s no way our 12 to 15 officers are going to be able to deal with a crowd of 10,000. We just can’t do strong enforcement when we’re outnumbered 700 or 800 to one.”

About 15 CU officers and a half dozen deputies with the Boulder County Sheriff’s Office had a presence today among the mass of pot smokers, who bounced giant balls and tossed Frisbees through the haze. CU police did handle four medical-related calls for health issues including dehydration; two people were taken to Boulder Community Hospital.

Closer to downtown, a more “adult” 4/20 gathering also took place at Boulder’s Central Park for non-students looking to avoid the CU foot traffic. But that event had a much smaller turnout and was mostly uneventful.

The crowd size at last year’s CU gathering was rumored to have topped 5,000, Wiesley said, meaning this year’s gathering drew about double.

“I guess it’s not like they had to cut a 4 p.m. class to go do it,” Wiesley said, speculating as to why so many more people showed up. “People are not all that busy at 4:20 p.m. in the afternoon on a Sunday.”

From the steps of Norlin Library, some of the thousands present said the turnout appeared comparable to that of a peace march or protest.

“You guys need to go stand on those stairs,” one girl shouted to her friends, who were seated in a circle on the quadrangle grass. “You don’t even understand.”

Smoke-out participants — thousands of whom wore green or T-shirts promoting pot — climbed trees, played the bongos, snapped pictures and had miniature picnics.

That, of course, after they sparked the weed they had come to smoke.

CU freshman Emily Benson, 19, of Kansas City, said she thinks the decriminalization of marijuana will become a hot topic in the upcoming political season, and said she felt part of something bigger than just a smoke-out today.

“We’re at the starting point of a movement,” she said. “This is a big part of the reason I applied here — for the weed atmosphere.”

Although CU junior Max Lichtenstein, 21, isn’t into marijuana or smoking, he also felt today's event was a chance to do something “bigger” than himself. He passed out 126 Rice Krispies treats with messages attached asking that they act out against the injustices in Darfur.

“Tomorrow, when you’re sober ... call the White House at 202-456-1414,” the note read.

“I just like being generous and doing nice things,” he said. “I’m like a good Samaritan.”

CU senior Tyler Molvig, 24, said that rather than condemning the smoke-out, CU and the city should embrace it as a money-making opportunity. “I mean, it’s gonna happen regardless,” he said.

Entrepreneur Barrett Betz, 20, conceived of the potential financial benefit 4/20 holds earlier this year, and sold peanut butter and jelly sandwiches, Hostess snack cakes and bottled water for a $1.

“Peanut butter and jelly!” he screamed to passersby who were parched and eager to satisfy their munchies. “I’m doing very well.”

One woman was hopeful Betz’s treats were charged with some special ingredients.

“Are these magical?” she asked, only to be disappointed. “Why aren’t you selling magical ones? I mean, it’s cool — but c’mon.”

© 2008 The E.W. Scripps Co.

Ninjahedge
April 21st, 2008, 09:48 AM
What the cops should be doing is trying to keep order there.

They cannot arrest 10K people, but they can arrest peopel tring other substances or pushing other goods.

So long as they are there to make sure noone gets hurt, that is about all I can see them doing at something that large.....

NYatKNIGHT
April 22nd, 2008, 06:07 PM
Sometimes I really really miss Boulder.

JCMAN320
April 24th, 2008, 03:29 PM
Wow, I really have to go to Colorado, I have been missing out. :)

lofter1
June 26th, 2008, 04:11 PM
Spain is looking like the obvious choice ...

Report on Cannabis in Europe Shows Use by 1 in 5 Adults

NY TIMES (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/26/world/europe/26briefs-REPORTONCANN_BRF.html?ref=world)
By AGENCE FRANCE-PRESSE
June 26, 2008

World Briefing | Europe

One in five adults in Europe have used marijuana or related drugs like hashish, the European Union’s drug agency said. In a 700-page report on the use and abuse of cannabis, the European Monitoring Center for Drugs and Drug Addiction, based in Lisbon, estimated that more than 13 million Europeans had used it in the past month.

The report aims to be an authoritative reference on scientific research, legislation and policy issues associated with the drug in Europe. It highlights legal disparities among member countries: Portugal, for example, decriminalized cannabis use in 2000, while Denmark and Italy toughened their laws.

The report also found a wide range of prices for a gram of cannabis, from 1.4 euros in Spain ($2.19) to 21.5 euros ($33.68) in Norway.

Copyright 2008 The New York Times Company

Jasonik
June 26th, 2008, 04:23 PM
¡Viva España!

Encideyamind
June 29th, 2008, 06:19 PM
Viva España! indeed

scumonkey
June 29th, 2008, 07:51 PM
I've ALWAYS liked Spain, the weather, the beautiful people, the scenery, and now I can add another reason to my list!!!http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/cool/cool-smiley-031.gif

MidtownGuy
June 30th, 2008, 12:55 AM
In Spain (like many European countries) it seems easier to get hash than bud.
Anyway, the socially liberal mood that's gripping Spain right now is delightful to experience.

Jasonik
July 8th, 2008, 04:05 PM
Initiative would allow pot sales at liquor stores


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Video (http://www.katu.com/news/24036504.html?video=YHI&t=a)

By KATU Staff (http://www.katu.com/news/24036504.html)

SALEM, Ore. - Relax it and tax it.

That's the motto behind a new cannabis initiative that would allow Oregon's state-controlled liquor stores to legally sell marijuana to adults.

Initiative backers said their plan would send 90 percent of the proceeds from the state's sale of marijuana to Oregon's General Fund, which could lower Oregonians' state tax burden.

Smaller percentages would go to funding drug abuse education and treatment programs.

The initiative would also legalize the growing of hemp, a non-drug variant of cannabis that can be used to make industrial-strength fibers and bio-fuels.

Supporters claim that allowing cannabis cultivation and sales through state liquor stores would add $300 million in combined tax revenues and savings to Oregon's budget.

Paul Stanford of the Oregon Cannabis Tax Act said the measure would also put a dent in illegal dealing of the weed.

"We want to take marijuana out of the hands of children and substance abusers, who control the market today, and put it in the hands of the state's liquor control commission and the age limit of 21 will be strictly enforced," Stanford said at a press briefing.

Supporters have two years to collect nearly 83,000 signatures to get the measure on the November ballot in 2010.

195Broadway
July 18th, 2008, 10:50 AM
Perhaps, some day...... sigh

The zitty kid isn't helping matters. :rolleyes:

Jasonik
November 5th, 2008, 08:59 AM
Voters approve marijuana law change

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Whitney Taylor, Committee for Sensible Marijuana Policy chairwoman, and Jack A. Cole celebrated Question 2 passing. (BARRY CHIN/GLOBE STAFF)
By David Abel
Globe Staff / November 5, 2008 (http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2008/11/05/voters_approve_marijuana_law_change/)

[Massachusetts] Voters yesterday overwhelmingly approved a ballot initiative to decriminalize possession of small amounts of marijuana, making getting caught with less than an ounce of pot punishable by a civil fine of $100. The change in the law means someone found carrying dozens of joints will no longer be reported to the state's criminal history board.

With about 90 percent of the state's precincts reporting last night, voters favored the Question 2 proposition 65 percent to 35 percent.

"The people were ahead of the politicians on this issue; they recognize and want a more sensible approach to our marijuana policy," said Whitney Taylor, chairwoman of the Committee for Sensible Marijuana Policy (http://sensiblemarijuanapolicy.org/), which campaigned for the ballot initiative. "They want to focus our limited law enforcement resources on serious and violent crimes. They recognize under the new law that the punishment will fit the offense."

The proposition will become law 30 days after it is reported to the Governor's Council, which usually meets in late November or early December. But the Legislature could amend or repeal the new law, as they have done with prior initiatives passed by the voters, said Emily LaGrassa, a spokeswoman for Attorney General Martha Coakley.

Opponents of the proposition said they are concerned about the potential consequences of the vote. "The administration is clear in its opposition to the decriminalization of marijuana, and we are concerned about the effects of ballot Question 2's passage," Kevin Burke, secretary of the state's Executive Office of Public Safety and Security, said in a statement.

He would not comment on whether the administration will try to repeal the law, which will require violators younger than 18 to complete a drug awareness program and community service. The fine would increase to as much as $1,000 for those who fail to complete the program.

Proponents of the initiative, who spent about $1 million promoting it, argued the change in the law would maintain the state's existing penalties for growing, trafficking, or driving under the influence of marijuana, while ensuring that those caught with less than an ounce of pot would avoid the taint of a criminal record.

The opponents, who include the governor, attorney general, and district attorneys around the state, argued that decriminalizing marijuana possession would promote drug use and benefit drug dealers at a time when they say marijuana has become more potent. They warned it would increase violence on the streets and safety hazards in the workplace, and cause the number of car crashes to rise as more youths drive under the influence.

In a statement, the Coalition for Safe Streets, which opposed the initiative, blamed the loss on being outspent by supporters of Question 2, which included the billionaire financier George Soros, who spent more than $400,000 in favor of decriminalizing marijuana.

"Now these pro-drug special interests will move on to another state as part of their plan to inflict a radical drug-legalization agenda on as many communities as possible," said the statement.

The Rev. Bruce Wall, pastor of Global Ministries Christian Church in Dorchester, was among several prominent black ministers in Boston who called on fellow clergy to oppose the initiative.

"I guess there are a lot of people smoking the stuff, and they don't see what we see," Wall said.

The initiative's success last night sparked loud cheers from supporters gathered at the Silvertone Bar & Grill in downtown.

"I think this points to how our Legislature is unwilling to represent their constituents on these issues," said Bill Downing, president of the Massachusetts Cannabis Reform Coalition (http://www.masscann.org/).

Globe correspondent Matt Negrin contributed to this report.

© Copyright 2008 Globe Newspaper Company.

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Ballot summary:


The Commonwealth of Massachusetts
Office of the Attorney General
One Ashburton Place
Boston, Massachusetts 02108

(617) 727-2200
www.mass.gov/ago



SUMMARY OF NO. 07-09

This proposed law would replace the criminal penalties for possession of one ounce or less of marijuana with a new system of civil penalties, to be enforced by issuing citations, and would exclude information regarding this civil offense from the state's criminal record information system. Offenders age 18 or older would be subject to forfeiture of the marijuana plus a civil penalty of $100. Offenders under the age of 18 would be subject to the same forfeiture and, if they complete a drug awareness program within one year of the offense, the same $100 penalty.

Offenders under 18 and their parents or legal guardian would be notified of the offense and the option for the offender to complete a drug awareness program developed by the state Department of Youth Services. Such programs would include ten hours of community service and at least four hours of instruction or group discussion concerning the use and abuse of marijuana and other drugs and emphasizing early detection and prevention of substance abuse.

The penalty for offenders under 18 who fail to complete such a program within one year could be increased to as much as $1,000, unless the offender showed an inability to pay, an inability to participate in such a program, or the unavailability of such a program. Such an offender's parents could also be held liable for the increased penalty. Failure by an offender under 17 to complete such a program could also be a basis for a delinquency proceeding.

The proposed law would define possession of one ounce or less of marijuana as including possession of one ounce or less of tetrahydrocannibinol ("THC"), or having metabolized products of marijuana or THC in one's body.

Under the proposed law, possessing an ounce or less of marijuana could not be grounds for state or local government entities imposing any other penalty, sanction, or disqualification, such as denying student financial aid, public housing, public financial assistance including unemployment benefits, the right to operate a motor vehicle, or the opportunity to serve as a foster or adoptive parent. The proposed law would allow local ordinances or bylaws that prohibit the public use of marijuana, and would not affect existing laws, practices, or policies concerning operating a motor vehicle or taking other actions while under the influence of marijuana, unlawful possession of prescription forms of marijuana, or selling, manufacturing, or trafficking in marijuana.

The money received from the new civil penalties would go to the city or town where the offense occurred.

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Full text of initiative here (http://sensiblemarijuanapolicy.org/initiative).

Jasonik
December 4th, 2008, 03:36 PM
World's oldest marijuana stash totally busted
Two pounds of still-green weed found in a 2,700-year-old Gobi Desert grave

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David Potter / Oxford University Press
Stash for the afterlife: A photograph of a stash of cannabis found in the
2,700-year-old grave of a man in the Gobi Desert. Scientists are unsure
if the marijuana was grown for more spiritual or medical purposes, but it's
evident that the man was buried with a lot of it.

By Jennifer Viegas
updated 1:19 p.m. ET, Wed., Dec. 3, 2008 (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28034925)

Nearly two pounds of still-green plant material found in a 2,700-year-old grave in the Gobi Desert has just been identified as the world's oldest marijuana stash, according to a paper in the latest issue of the Journal of Experimental Botany.

A barrage of tests proves the marijuana possessed potent psychoactive properties and casts doubt on the theory that the ancients only grew the plant for hemp in order to make clothing, rope and other objects.

They apparently were getting high too.

Lead author Ethan Russo told Discovery News that the marijuana "is quite similar" to what's grown today.

"We know from both the chemical analysis and genetics that it could produce THC (tetrahydrocannabinolic acid synthase, the main psychoactive chemical in the plant)," he explained, adding that no one could feel its effects today, due to decomposition over the millennia.

Russo served as a visiting professor at the Chinese Academy of Sciences Institute of Botany while conducting the study. He and his international team analyzed the cannabis, which was excavated at the Yanghai Tombs near Turpan, China (http://www.chinahighlights.com/xinjiang/turpan/attraction/tuyugou.htm). It was found lightly pounded in a wooden bowl in a leather basket near the head of a blue-eyed Caucasian man who died when he was about 45.

"This individual was buried with an unusual number of high value, rare items," Russo said, mentioning that the objects included a make-up bag, bridles, pots, archery equipment and a kongou harp. The researchers believe the individual was a shaman from the Gushi people, who spoke a now-extinct language called Tocharian that was similar to Celtic.

Scientists originally thought the plant material in the grave was coriander, but microscopic botanical analysis of the bowl contents, along with genetic testing, revealed that it was cannabis.

The size of seeds mixed in with the leaves, along with their color and other characteristics, indicate the marijuana came from a cultivated strain. Before the burial, someone had carefully picked out all of the male plant parts, which are less psychoactive, so Russo and his team believe there is little doubt as to why the cannabis was grown.

What is in question, however, is how the marijuana was administered, since no pipes or other objects associated with smoking were found in the grave.

"Perhaps it was ingested orally," Russo said. "It might also have been fumigated, as the Scythian tribes to the north did subsequently."

Although other cultures in the area used hemp to make various goods as early as 7,000 years ago, additional tomb finds indicate the Gushi fabricated their clothing from wool and made their rope out of reed fibers. The scientists are unsure if the marijuana was grown for more spiritual or medical purposes, but it's evident that the blue-eyed man was buried with a lot of it.

"As with other grave goods, it was traditional to place items needed for the afterlife in the tomb with the departed," Russo said.

The ancient marijuana stash is now housed at Turpan Museum in China. In the future, Russo hopes to conduct further research at the Yanghai site, which has 2,000 other tombs.

© 2008 Discovery Channel


*****

Nearby is Flaming Mountain

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Ninjahedge
December 4th, 2008, 04:31 PM
nearly 10 pounds 8 pounds 5 pounds two pounds of still-green plant material found in a 2,700-year-old grave in the gobi desert has just been identified as the world's oldest marijuana stash, according to a paper in the latest issue of the journal of experimental botany.


;)


Wheres the durned "strikethrough" format command??!? :D

scumonkey
December 4th, 2008, 04:36 PM
http://www.novahq.net/forum/images/smilies/weed.gif

NYatKNIGHT
December 4th, 2008, 04:50 PM
Exactly, Ninja. Next article will say trace amounts were found.

The photo has a lab tech putting it in, or taking it from, a ziploc baggie. Someone knew the perfect vessel.

Ninjahedge
December 5th, 2008, 08:58 AM
You sure he is taking it FROM the baggie, or bringing it home to, um, "study" ;)

lofter1
December 5th, 2008, 10:43 AM
Homework!

Jasonik
February 1st, 2009, 01:44 PM
14-times Olympic gold medal winner Michael Phelps caught with cannabis pipe

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By Georgina Dickinson, 01/02/2009 (http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news/150832/14-times-Olympic-gold-medal-winner-Michael-Phelps-caught-with-bong-cannabis-pipe.html)

THIS is the astonishing picture which could destroy the career of the greatest competitor in Olympic history.

In our exclusive photo Michael Phelps, who won a record EIGHT gold medals for swimming at the Beijing games last summer, draws from a bong.

The glass pipes are generally used to smoke cannabis.

And after sporting chiefs announced laws which mean four-year bans for drug-taking, Phelps’ dreams of adding to his overall 14 gold medal tally at the 2012 games in London could already be OVER.

Those dreams seemed the last thing on his mind when he puffed from the bong during two days of partying with students last November, a quiet time in the swimming calendar when athletes would not expect to get tested for drugs.

One party-goer who witnessed the star’s behaviour told the News of the World: “He was out of control from the moment he got there.

“If he continues to party like that I’d be amazed if he ever won any more medals again.”

Phelps’ aides went into a panic over our story and offered us a raft of extraordinary incentives not to run the bong picture.

It was on November 6, weeks after his Beijing triumph, that 23-year-old Phelps surprised students at the University Of South Carolina in Columbia by showing up unannounced at a house party.

He was visiting Jordan Matthews, a girl he was secretly seeing who was a student there.

Our source revealed: “Michael came to visit Jordan but ended up just getting wasted every night.

“He arrived with a group of girls hanging all over him. Jaws hit the floor when he walked in. You don’t get many celebrities in Columbia, so when Phelps comes to your party it’s a very big deal.

Obnoxious

“He didn’t know many people so you’d think he’d be a little shy. But he was loud, obnoxious and slamming beers from the get-go.

“Every girl wanted a piece of him and every guy wanted to be his best buddy. He couldn’t get enough of all the attention.”

As he basked in his hero status, Phelps knocked back beers and shots of spirits. And when a student offered him the glass bong engraved with red writing, he did not hesitate, says our source.

The 6ft 4ins athlete, in a white T-shirt and navy cap worn back to front, clasped the device in his huge hands and inhaled deeply.

Our source said: “You could tell Michael had smoked before. He grabbed the bong and a lighter and knew exactly what to do.

“He looked just as natural with a bong in his hands as he does swimming in the pool. He was the gold medal winner of bong hits. Michael ended up getting a little paranoid, though, because before too long he looked like he was nervous and ran out of the place.”

But the next night, Phelps was out partying again. The source added: “He was right back at it at Pavlov’s bar.

“Like the night before he was holding court, throwing back shots two at a time and pouring drinks to every cute girl.”

Drink has got Phelps into trouble before. In 2004, aged 19, he got 18 months probation for driving while under the influence.

His wild behaviour is in stark contrast to the grim regime which took him to the top of his sport.

He once described his life, saying: “All you do is eat, sleep, swim; eat, sleep, swim; eat, sleep, swim.”

Last night Phelps’ management team and the sporting world closed ranks over the scandal.

Taint

The US Olympics Committee, who have pledged to clamp down on drug use, refused to comment, as did USA Swimming and Phelps’ coach Bob Bowman.

More surprising still was the World Anti-Doping Agency’s refusal to comment, given that they introduced the four-year ban on sport’s drug users.

Phelps, who earned £4million last year in endorsements, has resumed training for the 2012 games.

But there were fears about his commitment when, weeks after the bong incident, he began dating former stripper Caroline Pal.

Phelps is represented by marketing giant Octagon, which works with huge brands such as Mastercard and HSBC. They admitted proven cannabis use would be “a major taint” on Phelps’ character.

Spokesman Clifford Bloxham offered us an extraordinary deal not to publish our story, saying Phelps would become our columnist for three years, host events and get his sponsors to advertise with us.

In return, he asked that we kill Phelps’ bong picture. Bloxham said: “It’s seeing if something potentially very negative for Michael could turn into something very positive for the News of the World.”

He stressed that the swimmer had taken 1,500 drug tests and never failed one.

Until now?

*****

Is Octagon secretly working to legalize cannabis? If so, a genius strategy...

Jasonik
February 1st, 2009, 02:36 PM
Phelps' statement (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gav61lYnY-W3nlJteKSkTVKT6buAD962TVMG1) released to The Associated Press:

"I engaged in behavior which was regrettable and demonstrated bad judgment. I'm 23 years old and despite the successes I've had in the pool, I acted in a youthful and inappropriate way, not in a manner people have come to expect from me. For this, I am sorry. I promise my fans and the public it will not happen again."
An opportunity squandered.

lofter1
February 1st, 2009, 05:50 PM
That ^ was for the corporate sponsors and the MILLIONS of $$ he could stand to lose.

He could have said it was a vacuum-pump enlargement device.

However, explaining why he had his mouth around it might prove a bit difficult.

On the other hand, honesty is usually the best policy.

Thereby he could have blamed it on the weed and claimed a memory lapse :cool:

But C'mon -- Give the guy a break. He did nothing but train & swim 14 hours a day for over a decade. All those teen years lost.

I'd say he deserves some play time.

Alonzo-ny
February 1st, 2009, 06:44 PM
No-one held a gun to his head. If you are an athlete and want to continue being one dont smoke pot. Enjoying your younger years doesnt have to mean smoking pot.

Ninjahedge
February 2nd, 2009, 09:20 AM
We all know what a performance enhanser pot is anyway.

Look, I really do not GAS about this. As was said before me, the only thing that could look to be destroyed is his marketability as Mr. Clean.

They can't prove that the bong had pot in it (we know it did) and he had none in his system when he was tested (not that that would matter since it would actually rob you of motivation and drive anyway).

These guys are not interested in the truth. They are only interested in creating a "thing" and earning as much money and publicity from it as they can.

lofter1
February 2nd, 2009, 12:11 PM
Enjoying your younger years doesnt have to mean smoking pot.

It also doesn't mean you can't or won't enjoy it.

Most sensible areas have now made it barely a misdemeanor for either possession of small amounts of pot or personal use of same.

Next I'll read here that folks want to hang our youth for similarly "serious" mis-steps -- such as speeding in a vehicle or not returning a library book.

Demanding perfection is a disease created by marketers and the clergy.

scumonkey
February 2nd, 2009, 12:14 PM
Par-Tee!
http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb276/scumonkey/cartbong.gif

lofter1
February 2nd, 2009, 12:17 PM
btw: How do we know that pot would disable Mr. Phelps in his swimming efforts?

He's proven to be quite singular so far. Perhaps he'd be a good guinea pig for some scientific studies. :cool:

Jasonik
February 2nd, 2009, 01:50 PM
Lofter, we did some preliminary trials in my freshman dorm. One finding was that "Swimmer Dave" could always take the biggest bong hits due to his expanded lung capacity from years of swimming. In my case, a history of choir singing was a factor... :D

lofter1
February 2nd, 2009, 02:21 PM
Lucky fellow, that Dave :cool:

But how did it effect his swimming?

Ninjahedge
February 2nd, 2009, 02:50 PM
btw: How do we know that pot would disable Mr. Phelps in his swimming efforts?

It is a relaxant. You are less motivated (or bothered) by things when using it.

It is not recommended to use something like that when training for something like the olympics....


All that having been said, I do not see any real problem, aside from the tea-totalers(sp) objecting to seeing him advertise online banking. It is amazing the responses I am getting around he office. It was like he killed a puppy or something.


He's proven to be quite singular so far. Perhaps he'd be a good guinea pig for some scientific studies. :cool:

Sarcasm. Whatever. The only thing I can say is that it was not smart of him to do it, and it was also horrible that one of his "friends" sold him out for that photo. Bets? Disgruntled GF? Wise arse? Money Grubber?

Again, the only thing this should be an issue for is his marketability as a "clean goody two shoes".

For just about anything else it should not matter one iota.

Ninjahedge
February 2nd, 2009, 02:50 PM
Lucky fellow, that Dave :cool:

But how did it effect his swimming?

He found it easier to float.

Jasonik
February 2nd, 2009, 03:46 PM
But how did it effect his swimming?

I doubt his performance was enhanced in any way since chronic use correlates with impaired large airway function (http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/560745), though acutely, THC may act as a bronchodilator (http://www.cannabismd.net/asthma/) providing relief for asthmatics.

More research (http://www.unsaccodicanapa.com/htmlpages/roor_photo_gallery.html) is needed.

lofter1
February 3rd, 2009, 12:11 AM
Willing guinea pigs :) should apply where?

Ninjahedge
February 3rd, 2009, 10:48 AM
The THC would be detected though, so they really did not use it during training season (as was mentioned in the "article").

So this whole thing is just another gossipy piece of crap.

And yeah:


An Olympian endorsing waffles or life insurance will get me to buy
Smoking pot ruins your ability to make "wholesome" decisions
Sucking on a bong makes his olympic achievement much less significant
"Friends" stick up for you and never would sell you out with embarassing pics at a party.
'nuf typed.

Jasonik
February 4th, 2009, 12:25 PM
Why Condemn Phelps, When We Ought to Condemn the Laws That Brand Him a Criminal

by Paul Armentano | February 4, 2009 (http://www.lewrockwell.com/armentano-p/armentano-p40.html)

Add decorated Olympic swimmer Michael Phelps to the growing list of successful Americans who happens to indulge in marijuana during his down time. The tabloid news story is making international headlines, though it's difficult to understand why.

After all, Mr. Phelps is hardly alone in his herbal inclinations. According to national and federal surveys, nearly one out of two Americans have tried weed, and among those age 18 to 25 – Phelps is 23 – pot smoking is especially popular.

Contrary to the messages promoted by the federal government (http://commercial-archive.com/commercials/above-influence-what-has-weed-done-you-2009-30-usa), marijuana consumers include people from all walks of life, ethnic classes, and socio-economic backgrounds. America’s current President said that he smoked marijuana regularly as a young man. Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas, former Vice President Al Gore, former Republican House Speaker Newt Gingrich, California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger, and legendary astronomer Carl Sagan all have admitted using marijuana at different times during their lives.

According to the U.S. government, most current marijuana users are gainfully employed. Statistically, most marijuana users are successful academically and financially. A National Bureau of Economic Research study even reported (http://ideas.repec.org/a/ucp/jlabec/v9y1991i4p381-412.html) that marijuana use is associated with earning higher wages. Some former and current users, like Virgin tycoon Sir Richard Branson, Progressive Auto Insurance founder Peter Lewis, and New York State Mayor Michael Bloomberg are even multi-millionaires.

Perhaps the public's fascination with this story is because Phelps is recognized as one of the most talented and successful athletes in the entire world. (He holds the record for the most gold medals won by any athlete in history.) But Phelps isn't an anomaly in this regard either. Many top athletes use cannabis off the field – noting that it helps them to relax after the excitement of sports competition and alleviate the pain from nagging injuries. It also won't leave them with a hangover or adversely impact their performance the next day.

A 1997 New York Times investigation (http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9A07EFD81631F935A15753C1A9619582 60) estimated that up to 70 percent of pro-basketball players occasionally indulge in the use of pot, and many high-profile football players – most notably Miami Dolphins star running-back Ricky Williams, former Dallas Cowboys all-star Mark Stepnoski, and even Super Bowl XLIII MVP Santonio Holmes – have spoken candidly about their off-field marijuana use. In fact, Phelps isn't even the first gold medalist to admit to smoking cannabis. That honor belongs to Canadian snowboarder and 1998 Winter Olympics gold medal winner Ross Rebagliati, who tested positive for having used cannabis in the days prior to his history-making performance.

Sure, there will be some who will say that this latest chapter in Phelp's life is deserving of criticism because the 14-time gold medalist is sending a poor message to young children. And what message would that be? That you can occasionally smoke marijuana and still be successful in life. Well sorry if the truth hurts.

Fact is, most Americans who use pot do so for the same reasons – and in the same manner – as do those who drink alcohol. According to a recent University of Alberta study (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18365950), the majority of adults who use cannabis do so recreationally to "enhance relaxation." Researchers concluded: "[M]ost adult marijuana users regulate use to their recreational time and do not use compulsively. Rather, their use is purposively intended to enhance their leisure activities and manage the challenges and demands of living in contemporary modern society. Generally, participants reported using marijuana because it enhanced relaxation and concentration, making a broad range of leisure activities more enjoyable and pleasurable."

No doubt Michael Phelps indulged in the use of marijuana for these very same reasons. He ought not to be condemned for it nor branded a criminal for his actions.

For that matter, neither should anyone else.

scumonkey
February 4th, 2009, 12:55 PM
According to the U.S. government, most current marijuana users are gainfully employed.
You would almost certainly have to be....have you seen the prices lately?!

Ninjahedge
February 4th, 2009, 02:16 PM
No.............:confused:

Jasonik
February 11th, 2009, 09:08 AM
http://dailyblabber.ivillage.com/entertainment/michaelphelpscornflakes.jpg

Pot activist organizations call for Kellogg boycott

Jeremy Gantz
Published: Tuesday February 10, 2009
(http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Pot_activist_organizations_call_for_Kellogg_0210.h tml)
Pot activists aren't taking Kellogg's very public snub of Olympic champion Michael Phelps lightly: four national organizations are calling for a boycott of all the cereal and snack company's products – and asking their members to contact Kellogg with complaints.

The Marijuana Policy Project (http://www.mpp.org/), the National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws (NORML) (http://norml.org/), Students for Sensible Drug Policy (http://ssdp.org/index.php) and the Drug Policy Alliance (http://www.drugpolicy.org/homepage.cfm) are all urging a Kellogg boycott.

"Kellogg's had no problem signing up Phelps when he had a conviction for drunk driving, an illegal act that could actually have killed someone," said Rob Kampia, the Marijuana Policy Project's executive director.

Kampia called Kellogg's decision not to renew Phelps' endorsement contract "hypocritical and disgusting," adding: "To drop him for choosing to relax with a substance that's safer than beer is an outrage, and it sends a dangerous message to young people."

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The negative publicity just might be working: Tuesday, the Phelps brouhaha -- triggered when a picture of the athlete using a bong was published by a British newspaper last week (http://rawstory.com/news/afp/Phelps_admits_bad_behavior_after_ca_02012009.html) -- took the lead over the tainted peanut butter outbreak in the recorded reply on Kellogg's consumer hot line Tuesday, the Associated Press reported (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gnoIEIYe7k8I5BsiulIassjT0ajAD96912N80).

"If you would like to share your comments regarding our relationship with Michael Phelps, please press one to speak to a representative," said the recording. "If you're calling about the recent peanut butter recall, please press two now."

Meanwhile, eight people (including the infamous bong's owner) who attended the party Phelps was photographed at were arrested Tuesday (http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Phelps_bong_owner_seven_others_arrested_0210.html% 3Cbr%20/%3E). And the bong -- whose owner apparently tried to sell it on eBay for $100,000 -- was confiscated by the police department in Richland County, South Carolina, where the party was held.

The groups calling for the Kellogg boycott are using the Phelps incident as an opportunity to renew their calls for decriminalization of pot.

"It's not just that Michael Phelps did what millions of other twenty-somethings do," Ethan Nadelmann, executive director of the Drug Policy Alliance, told the Associated Press. "It's that he did what over one hundred million Americans have done at least once in their lives, including the president, former presidents, members of the U.S. Congress and Supreme Court."

And NORML Deputy Director Paul Armentano wrote (http://blog.norml.org/2009/02/06/the-kellogg-company-drops-michael-phelps-the-cannabis-community-drops-kelloggs/) on his organization's website:

"It’s not Michael Phelps who should be castigated, but rather it’s the absurd and hypocritical laws that criminalize the behavior of Phelps and tens of millions of other successful and productive Americans like him that is worthy of condemnation."

With wire reports.

*****

SNL Weekend Update
Really?!? with Seth discusses Michael Phelps' Bong Scandal [video 1:51] (http://www.hulu.com/watch/56636/saturday-night-live-really-michael-phelps)

*****

Sponsor Subway sticking by Phelps
Sat Feb 7, 12:32 am ET (http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20090207/sp_wl_afp/oly2008swimphelps_20090207053610)

LOS ANGELES, (AFP) – Restaurant chain Subway is still counting on Olympic swimming star Michael Phelps's power as a pitchman, despite the uproar over a photograph of him with a marijuana pipe, Advertising Age reported (http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/afp/sp_wl_afp/storytext/oly2008swimphelps/30871685/SIG=10imamn6q;_ylt=As7bG25mGdWyOOqqV.JHKUDGOrgF;_y lu=X3oDMTE0dTc3MHRyBHBvcwMxBHNlYwN5bl9zdG9yeV9ib2R 5BHNsawNhZGFnZWNvbQ--/*http://AdAge.com).

"Like most Americans, and like Michael Phelps himself, we were disappointed in his behavior," Subway, which specializes in sandwiches, said in a statement.

"Also like most Americans, we accept his apology. Moving forward, he remains in our plans." (more (http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20090207/sp_wl_afp/oly2008swimphelps_20090207053610))

lofter1
February 11th, 2009, 10:03 AM
Jon Stewart recently pointed out that the Phelps case brings on a GREAT marketing opportunity, something akin to THIS (http://www.worth1000.com/entries/10000/10342_w.jpg) :cool:

Ninjahedge
February 11th, 2009, 12:25 PM
I would think that Twinkies, Pop Tarts and Taco Bell would be all over this like stoned college students on Twinkies, Pop Tarts and Taco Bell.


Oh, and don't forget the Doritos!

Jasonik
April 20th, 2009, 09:50 AM
Watch it while you can: 4/19/09 Family Guy - 'Bag of Weed' musical number [3:11] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7RqhvLmg2Q)

lofter1
April 20th, 2009, 10:27 AM
Excellent. Calling Buzz Direct for delivery ASAP.

scumonkey
April 20th, 2009, 03:52 PM
Funny as h. e. double hockey sticks...but they yanked it already :(

lofter1
August 6th, 2009, 08:41 PM
Just say YES ...

http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/yes-we-cannabis.jpg

:D

Ninjahedge
August 7th, 2009, 09:43 AM
Looks like the link is dead. When I copied it directly and tried to navigate to it, browser said the link was broken, etc etc....

Weird though, after I direct connected to the site itself, and refreshed this page, it is now up.......

I dunno.....

lofter1
August 7th, 2009, 10:31 AM
So much for "fair use" :cool:

NYatKNIGHT
October 28th, 2009, 08:58 AM
Push to Legalize Marijuana Gains Ground in California

By JESSE McKINLEY (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/m/jesse_mckinley/index.html?inline=nyt-per)

October 27, 2009

State lawmakers are holding a hearing on Wednesday on the effects of a bill that would legalize, tax and regulate the drug — in what would be the first such law in the United States. Tax officials estimate the legislation could bring the struggling state about $1.4 billion a year, and though the bill’s fate in the Legislature is uncertain, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, a Republican, has indicated he would be open to a “robust debate” on the issue.

California voters are also taking up legalization. Three separate initiatives are being circulated for signatures to appear on the ballot next year, all of which would permit adults to possess marijuana for personal use and allow local governments to tax it. Even opponents of legalization suggest that an initiative is likely to qualify for a statewide vote.


Article: New York Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/28/us/28pot.html?_r=1&hpw)

lofter1
October 28th, 2009, 11:39 AM
No brainer ^

Regulate, tax it & take it away from the outlaws.

Ninjahedge
October 28th, 2009, 12:16 PM
It is a relatively harmless substance whose worst effect is development f an addiction to Doritoes and a fascination with Cable TV.

Rasta would be one to cut the drug trades profits, the other current illegal activity that has not (and never will) go away would be prostitution.

While one can be more abusive than the other, the "worlds oldest profession" is a foolish and puritanical thing to forbid. Agreed it needs regulation, but in a nation that see it perfectly fine to objectify and expose women for profit, somehow having consentual (paid) sex is a sin that GOVERNMENT should not allow?

I am not for supporting the profession by any means, but making it illegal just means more abuse and more money going to crime families that SURELY do not restrict their trade to only one vice.

kz1000ps
October 31st, 2009, 01:11 PM
It is a relatively harmless substance whose worst effect is development f an addiction to Doritoes and a fascination with Cable TV.

And by cable TV you mean Xbox, Playstation, Wii...

For me it leads to a relatively harmless addiction to Sim City ;)

ZippyTheChimp
October 31st, 2009, 03:23 PM
Of all those things, the only one we had was Doritos.

Ninjahedge
November 2nd, 2009, 09:06 AM
It's one of the 4 basic food groups.

Salty, Sweet, Filling and Finger Staining.

lofter1
November 2nd, 2009, 12:33 PM
Don't forget the new Number Five:

UMAMI (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umami)

Mary Jane's Brownies offer a great example.

http://cannabisqueen.com/files/2009/07/cannabutter-brownies.jpg

Chronic Bud Brownies (http://cannabisqueen.com/blog/2009/07/01/chronic-bud-brownies/)

ZippyTheChimp
November 2nd, 2009, 12:40 PM
Oh-Oh, brownies.

Caused a breakup with a cute GF.

lofter1
November 2nd, 2009, 04:05 PM
Because ... :confused:

1) She ate one without knowing what to expect?

2) You like 'em with nuts and she's a puritan?

3) You ate them all and left none for her?

scumonkey
November 2nd, 2009, 05:03 PM
Or
4) the ensuing weight gain?

ZippyTheChimp
November 2nd, 2009, 05:04 PM
She had a dachshund, named (ironically) Sunshine.

It wasn't my fault.

You can read on; there's no sad ending, except I didn't have sex for awhile.

Teenagers, house party, pot and baked goods. The dog liked me, or at least the smell of my dog. I was eating a brownie, and gave him a piece. It wasn't like, "Let's get the dog high," just a fingertip treat. He was only about 15 pounds though, so it was enough.

Later on, she tells me there's something wrong with Sunshine, and I find him on his back in an armchair, his head hanging over the edge of the cushion, nipping at imaginary butterflies. I laughed and said, "He's all right, just a little high from a piece of brownie."

She gets an attitude about it, and I said, "Don't worry, I'll take care of him." so I wound up playing with Sunshine; he was like a slinky with a wet nose. I think we both had a good time.

She couldn't get past my irresponsibility (geez), and we broke up. I never saw Sunshine again, but I'm sure he often looked at her and thought, "What ever happened to the cool guy with the chocolate fingers."

NYatKNIGHT
November 3rd, 2009, 10:46 AM
Mmmmm, chocolate fingers....

Once, before going to a movie, someone left the the pre-show doobie on the coffee table. Then it was gone! Someone noticed my dog sitting there innocently, and had a thin piece of paper caught on his lip - oh no! He ate it. Suchabadboy! We had to go, but what to do? We decided to turn on Pink Floyd and lift the toilet seat for him. He'll be fine - and he was. Suchagooboy!

ZippyTheChimp
November 3rd, 2009, 10:53 AM
^
What about munchies?


Anyone ever forget to Visine the other eye?

NYatKNIGHT
November 3rd, 2009, 10:57 AM
Just last night!

hbcat
November 4th, 2009, 09:10 AM
It also doesn't mean you can't or won't enjoy it.

Demanding perfection is a disease created by marketers and the clergy.

"Prisons are build with the bricks of Law,
And brothels the stones of Religion."

-- William Blake, The Marriage of Heaven and Hell, 1790-1793

hbcat
November 4th, 2009, 09:27 AM
nevermind

kz1000ps
November 7th, 2009, 12:21 AM
Anyone ever forget to Visine the other eye?

How is it I've never done that or (I think) even seen it?? Either way, I boisterously laughed out loud at the thought.

lofter1
November 12th, 2009, 12:28 AM
Something new under the sun ...

Liquid Marijuana Seized in Brooklyn

NY TIMES (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/12/nyregion/12weed.html?ref=nyregion)
November 12, 2009

In what the police called an unusual drug arrest, a Brooklyn man was charged on Wednesday with selling liquid marijuana.

“It has not been seen around here before,” said Capt. Gerard Dowling of the Manhattan South narcotics division, referring to a dark green mixture of alcohol and marijuana.

The police said they seized eight Mason jars of the substance on Wednesday from the home of the man, Anthony Briordy, 32. They said they also seized cocaine and prescription painkillers, including OxyContin.

An undercover officer began purchasing the liquid and other drugs from Mr. Briordy about two months ago, the police said. Mr. Briordy was said to have told the officer that the liquid was often mixed with fruit punch.

The police said that throughout the investigation, Mr. Briordy told the officer that he made the mixture at home and that a four-ounce dose of it was stronger than one marijuana cigarette.

The liquid was classified as a controlled substance, the police said, after laboratory tests determined that it was an extremely potent form of marijuana.

Copyright 2009 The New York Times Company

hbcat
November 12th, 2009, 08:41 AM
Sounds icky. Guy should be arrested just for messing with a good thing.

What next, sashimi smoothies? :eek:

Jasonik
November 12th, 2009, 09:15 AM
Never heard of a Bhang Lassi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lassi#Bhang_lassi) I take it... :cool:

hbcat
November 12th, 2009, 09:18 AM
Never heard of a Bhang Lassi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lassi#Bhang_lassi) I take it... :cool:

Nope. That's news to me too. Could it be that "bong" is derived from "bhang" though?

lofter1
November 12th, 2009, 09:31 AM
Never heard of a Bhang Lassi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lassi#Bhang_lassi) I take it... :cool:


Aha ... evidence in support of the Big Bhang (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhang) (by which one discovers the meaning of life) :cool:

And so many options, from the previously noted Lassi (http://www.lycaeum.org/leda/Documents/Bhang_Lassi.4774.shtml) to Hot Buttered Bhang (http://cannabishq.com/forum/index.php?topic=387.0), the healthy sounding Green Juice (http://www.cannabis.uk.net/raw%20cannabis/PREPARING%20BHANG.htm) -- or the refreshing Thandai (http://www.indiacurry.com/beverage/thandai.htm) and even Bhang Seed Chutney (http://www.indiacurry.com/chutney/bhangseedchutney.htm).

The possibilities (http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=bhang+recipes&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8) are endless.

NYatKNIGHT
November 12th, 2009, 10:18 AM
You can say that again. I think I know what I'm bringing to Thanksgiving this year.

hbcat
November 12th, 2009, 10:20 AM
I haven't lived.

Jasonik
November 12th, 2009, 10:35 AM
Years ago I made pesto from a spindly windowsill plant.

Apulian olive oil, garlic scapes, Pecorino Sardo, lightly toasted pine nuts... delightful with some fresh gnocchi and a sprightly Pinot Grigio.

Nocciola gelato never tasted so good! :D

lofter1
November 29th, 2009, 09:11 AM
For those who are thinking of going back to school, one option ...

At This School, It’s Marijuana in Every Class

NY TIMES (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/29/education/29marijuana.html?hp=&adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1259503423-oc9Yw0N7OOL49Pu/PnfwIQ)
By TAMAR LEWIN
November 29, 2009

SOUTHFIELD, Mich. — At most colleges, marijuana is very much an extracurricular matter. But at Med Grow Cannabis College (http://www.medgrowmi.com/), marijuana is the curriculum: the history, the horticulture and the legal how-to’s of Michigan’s new medical marijuana program.

“This state needs jobs, and we think medical marijuana can stimulate the state economy with hundreds of jobs and millions of dollars,” said Nick Tennant, the 24-year-old founder of the college, which is actually a burgeoning business (no baccalaureates here) operating from a few bare-bones rooms in a Detroit suburb.

The six-week, $485 primer on medical marijuana is a cross between an agricultural extension class covering the growing cycle, nutrients and light requirements (“It’s harvest time when half the trichomes have turned amber and half are white”) and a gathering of serious potheads, sharing stories of their best highs (“Smoke that and you are ... medicated!”).

The only required reading: “Marijuana Horticulture: The Indoor/Outdoor Medical Grower’s Bible (http://www.marijuanagrowing.com/reviews.php?op=showcontent&id=7)” by Jorge Cervantes.

Even though the business of growing medical marijuana (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/subjects/m/marijuana/index.html?inline=nyt-classifier) is legal under Michigan’s new law (http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(1ta51d55kywq4w55raprku55))/mileg.aspx?page=getObject&objectName=mcl-Initiated-Law-1-of-2008), there is enough nervousness about the enterprise that most students at a recent class did not want their names or photographs used. An instructor also asked not to be identified.

“My wife works for the government,” one student said, “and I told my mother-in-law I was going to a small-business class.”

While California’s medical marijuana program, the country’s oldest, is now big business, with hundreds of dispensaries in Los Angeles alone, the Michigan program, which started in April, is more representative of what is happening in other states (http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=3391) that have legalized medical marijuana.

Under the Michigan law, patients whose doctors certify their medical need for marijuana can grow up to 12 cannabis plants themselves or name a “caregiver” who will grow the plants and sell the product. Anyone over 21 with no felony drug convictions can be a caregiver for up to five patients. So far, the Department of Community Health (http://www.michigan.gov/mdch/0,1607,7-132-27417_51869_52136---,00.html) has registered about 5,800 patients and 2,400 caregivers.

For Mr. Tennant, who is certified as both a caregiver and a patient — he said he has stomach problems and anxiety — Med Grow replaces the auto detailing business he started straight out of high school, only to see it founder when the economy contracted. Med Grow began offering its course in September, with new classes starting every month.

On a recent Tuesday, two teachers led a four-hour class, starting with Todd Alton, a botanist who provided no tasting samples as he talked the students through a list of cannabis recipes, including crockpot cannabutter, chocolate canna-ganache and greenies (the cannabis alternative to brownies).

The second instructor, who would not give his name, took the class through the growing cycle, the harvest and the curing techniques to increase marijuana’s potency.

Mr. Tennant said he saw the school as the hub of a larger business that will sell supplies to its graduate medical marijuana growers, offer workshops and provide a network for both patient and caregiver referrals. Already, Med Grow is a gathering place for those interested in medical marijuana. The whiteboard in the reception room lists names and numbers of several patients looking for caregivers, and a caregiver looking for patients.

The students are a diverse group: white and black, some in their 20s, some much older, some employed, some not. Some keep their class attendance, and their growing plans, close to the chest.

“I’ve just told a couple of people I can trust,” said Jeffery Butler, 27. “It’s a business opportunity, but some people are still going to look at you funny. But I’m going to do it anyway.”

Scott Austin, an unemployed 41-year-old student, said he and two partners were planning to go into medical marijuana together.

“I never smoked marijuana in my life,” he said. “I heard about this at a business expo a couple of months ago.”

Because the Michigan program is so new, gray areas in the law have not been tested, creating real concern for some students. For example, it is not legal to start growing marijuana before being officially named a caregiver to a certified patient, but patients who are sick, certified and ready to buy marijuana generally do not want to wait through the months of the growing cycle until a crop is ready. So for the time being, coordinating entry into the business feels to some like a kind of Catch-22.

Students say they are getting all kinds of extra help and ideas from going to class.

“I want to learn all the little tricks, everything I can,” said Sue Maxwell, a student who drives each week from her home four hours north of Detroit. “It’s a big investment, and I want to do it right.”

Ms. Maxwell, who works at a bakery, is already a caregiver — in the old, nondrug sense of the word — to a few older people for whom she thinks medical marijuana might be a real boon.

“I fix their meals, and I help with housekeeping,” Ms. Maxwell said. “I have an 85-year-old lady who has no appetite. I don’t know if she’d have any interest in medical marijuana, but I bet it would help her.”

Ms. Maxwell said her plan to grow marijuana was slow in hatching.

“We were talking at the bakery all summer,” she said. “Just joking around, I said: ‘I’m going to grow medical marijuana. I’m a gardener, I’ve always dreamed of having a greenhouse, I think it would be great.’ And then I suddenly thought, hey, I really am going to grow medical marijuana.”

Copyright 2009 The New York Times Company

lofter1
April 20th, 2010, 12:23 PM
Happy 4/20 (http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2010/04/happy-420.html) ...

"Toking" with Lawrence Welk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye3ecDYxOkg)

NYatKNIGHT
April 20th, 2010, 03:41 PM
Sweet Jesus!

lofter1
May 19th, 2010, 11:38 AM
Marijuana Fuels a New Kitchen Culture

NY TIMES (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/19/dining/19pot.html?src=me&ref=general)
By KIM SEVERSON
May 18, 2010

EVEN preschool teachers unwind with a round of drinks now and then. But in professional kitchens, where the hours are long, the pace intense and the goal is to deliver pleasure, the need to blow off steam has long involved substances that are mind-altering and, often enough, illegal.

“Everybody smokes dope after work,” said Anthony Bourdain, the author and chef who made his name chronicling drugs and debauchery in professional kitchens. “People you would never imagine.”

So while it should not come as a surprise that some chefs get high, it’s less often noted that drug use in the kitchen can change the experience in the dining room.

In the 1980s, cocaine helped fuel the frenetic open kitchens and boisterous dining rooms that were the incubators of celebrity chef culture. Today, a small but influential band of cooks says both their chin-dripping, carbohydrate-heavy food and the accessible, feel-good mood in their dining rooms are influenced by the kind of herb that can get people arrested.

Call it haute stoner cuisine.

“There has been an entire strata of restaurants created by chefs to feed other chefs,” Mr. Bourdain said. “These are restaurants created specially for the tastes of the slightly stoned, slightly drunk chef after work.”

As examples of places serving that kind of food, he offered some of David Chang’s restaurants; Au Pied du Cochon in Montreal, with its poutine of foie gras; Crif Dogs in the East Village, which makes a deep-fried cheese steak hot dog; and, in fact, the entire genre of mutant-hot-dog stands.

To be sure, substance abuse and addiction are concerns in the restaurant industry, and any restaurant where an employee or owner is caught with illegal drugs could lose its liquor license.

It is also hard to imagine any ambitious kitchen could function safely during dinner rush if the staff were impaired.

And despite what Mr. Bourdain said, a great many cooks get along just fine with no chemical assistance at all.

Nevertheless, a handful of chefs are unabashedly open about marijuana’s role in their creative and recreational lives and its effect on their restaurants ...

The chefs of the haute stoner cuisine movement are just as obsessive about their marijuana as they are about olive oil, wine or coffee.

“It’s like getting the best cheese,” Mr. Falcinelli said. “I have like four or five different types of marijuana in my refrigerator right now.” ...

Haute stoner cuisine is a way to reach a generation that was raised on Sprite and Funyuns and who never thought fancy restaurant food was for them, Mr. Choi said.

“We’ve shattered who is getting good food now,” he said. “It’s this silent message to everyone, to the every-day dude. It’s like come here, here’s a cuisine for you that will fill you up from the inside and make you feel whole and good. Weed is just a portal.”

Ron Siegel, who runs the Michelin-starred dining room at the Ritz-Carlton in San Francisco, said he’s grown past his partying days. But even he is having a little fun with haute stoner cuisine.

To serve slow-cooked quail eggs and caviar, he places them atop plastic film that tightly covers a white porcelain serving bowl. Then he fills the vessel with smoke from grated Japanese cedar packed into the bowl of a fan-driven bong he buys in the Haight-Ashbury neighborhood. The smoke escapes when the diner lifts a small spoon covering a hole in the plastic.

He calls it the Lincecum, after Tim Lincecum, the star pitcher for the San Francisco Giants who was arrested last fall after police found marijuana and a pipe in his car ...

FULL ARTICLE (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/19/dining/19pot.html?src=me&ref=general)

Copyright 2010 The New York Times Company

Ninjahedge
May 19th, 2010, 01:06 PM
Again, a bit anal about the whole herb situation.

It should be regulated and controlled, not forbidden. The wrong people are making too much money on something that so many profess openly to posess and use.

Merry
June 13th, 2010, 05:35 AM
Urban Forager | Wayward Weed

By AVA CHIN

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2010/06/10/nyregion/10cityroom-ready/10cityroom-ready-custom7.jpg

Recently, I was walking with a friend along a busy street in Ditmas Park, Brooklyn, when she stopped suddenly outside a medical office and pointed to the bottom of a hedge. “Do you see that?” my friend asked, as a bus drove by.

In truth, I saw only the hedge, along with a dandelion rosette and a few short weeds growing amid some crushed tissues and candy wrappers. My friend has been foraging for decades and is sort of a mentor — years ago she taught me how to differentiate Queen Anne’s lace, or wild carrots, from poison hemlock — so I just assumed this was some choice edible that I had somehow overlooked in my foraging education.

She muttered something in Latin about a sprout near my foot. It was about midcalf high, with palmate leaves (like the fingers on a hand). She snapped off a leaflet and crushed it between her fingers. “Oh, yes,” she said, shoving it under my nose.

One whiff of the distinctive sweet, heavy odor, and suddenly I was transported to the last outdoor concert I’d attended — some long-weekend affair in New Jersey where I was surrounded by marijuana smoke and slow talkers.

How I could have missed this fine young cannabis plant is beyond me. It was so pretty, with those deeply grooved, perfectly pointed serrated leaves, that an artist could have used it as a model for a hemp flag.

Native to Central Asia, Cannabis sativa is an annual with a central stalk and multiple, serrated leaflets (five here, with smaller stipules hanging like an old-fashioned mustache). It can tolerate everything: poor soil, drought, high or low acidity or alkalinity, fungus, and the advances of more aggressive weeds. It has flourished so well in the United States that it is listed as a noxious weed in Illinois, Pennsylvania and West Virginia.

Cultivated for more than 4,500 years in Asia, and then spreading through Europe and Africa, cannabis has historically been used for fiber (rope, clothing, etc.), oil, and as a medicinal and recreational drug. It was prescribed by doctors for years as a painkiller, and even Queen Victoria took it as an analgesic. As a narcotic, it has many names, including marijuana, pot, weed, grass, hash, ganja, hemp, dope, spliff, reefer, blunt, chronic and, my favorite, Mary Jane. It is illegal in much of the world — to consume and to grow.

My friend and I tossed around the idea that this healthy Cannabis sativa could be cultivated medical marijuana — it was, after all, growing outside a doctor’s office. But green-thumbed doctors harvesting an illegal substance right in front of their building? Not likely. A quick scan of the other side of the hedge revealed only numerous non-weed weeds proliferating under the hot sun.

“Someone probably just tossed a bud into the hedges and the seed took,” my friend said.

Since marijuana is mostly seeds, buds and flowers, we probably should not have been surprised that this plant appeared streetside in Ditmas Park. And knowing how tenacious Cannabis sativa is, we’re likely to encounter more of it in the future.

http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/06/12/urban-forager-cannabis-grows-in-brooklyn/#more-183813

Ninjahedge
June 14th, 2010, 11:12 AM
A regular Johnny "Apple"seed probably goin' around flikkin' butts... ;)

lofter1
September 20th, 2010, 12:36 PM
What is Marijuana really worth?

Price of Weed (http://www.priceofweed.com/)

A new website with running and up-to-date costs of smoke in NY and elsewhere.

Time to move to Oregon? (Or maybe Canada)

PriceOfWeed Blog (http://priceofweed.tumblr.com/)

lofter1
October 28th, 2010, 02:26 PM
A country singer loves his weed in what he calls "The Prop 19 Anthem!" ...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0Wz7OZotFY&

lofter1
October 31st, 2010, 12:33 PM
Discussing CA's Prop 19 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Proposition_19_(2010)) on "Real Time" ...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtQ4ox15JYM

mariab
November 1st, 2010, 03:58 PM
Ratings of all at the bottom of the article, including cannabis & magic mushrooms (thought they went the way of bellbottoms.).


http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-general/20101101/NEWS-US-DRUGS-ALCOHOL/

ZippyTheChimp
November 1st, 2010, 08:33 PM
You have to factor in the effects of Cheez Doodles.

lofter1
November 2nd, 2010, 12:10 AM
The Great Seal of the State of California, revised post election?

11346

lofter1
November 2nd, 2010, 12:56 PM
Do NOT smoke pot. It can lead to all sorts of things (http://coedmagazine.com/2010/10/27/let-timmy-smoke-lincecum-discusses-his-marijuana-usage-video/), like pitching the winning game in the World Series ...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyBCIqGOSLA

http://ny-image1.etsy.com/il_fullxfull.168857237.jpg

lofter1
January 8th, 2011, 09:52 AM
Boulder accidentally discloses secret marijuana grow sites

60 cultivation centers appear on city map

Boulder Daily Camera (http://www.dailycamera.com/ci_17029782)
By Heath Urie Camera Staff Writer
Posted: 01/06/2011

A map marking what are supposed to be secret locations of 60 warehouses and other buildings where medical marijuana is grown in Boulder has accidentally been made public by the city.

State law prohibits local governments from disclosing the location of so-called cultivation centers, and state lawmakers have exempted records that contain identifying information about the sites from the Colorado Open Records Act out of fear that would-be thieves might target large growing operations.

But Boulder officials say an oversight led them to publish the map on the city's Web site, bouldercolorado.gov (http://www.bouldercolorado.gov/), on Dec. 29 as part of an agenda briefing sent to the Boulder City Council. The map shows the locations of the 60 cultivation centers, 45 dispensaries and 12 product manufacturing sites that have applied for a medical marijuana business license from the city.

The map shows clusters of cultivation centers in Gunbarrel, near Lookout Road and 63rd Street, and in north Boulder along Broadway and Lee Hill Drive. But the highest concentration of growing operations is in east Boulder, near Arapahoe Avenue and 55th Street, and along Foothills Parkway near Pearl Parkway.

Kathy Haddock, Boulder's senior assistant city attorney who advises the council on medical marijuana issues, said Thursday that the map never should have been published.

"The state law requires the city, and all governments, to keep the location of grow locations confidential," she said. "It's something we should have pulled out."

Haddock said the map would be removed from the city's Web site.

LINK (http://denverchronicle.blogspot.com/2010/01/boulder-medical-marijuana-industry.html) to the MAP (http://extras.mnginteractive.com/live/media/site21/2010/0115/20100115_094233_marijuanamap_500.jpg)

Steven Zansberg, an attorney who represents the Camera and is an expert in open records law, said it's not likely that the city would face any penalties for the slip.

The timing of the incident is fortuitous in that the council will decide at its Jan. 18 meeting whether Boulder should circumvent the open records act exemption for cultivation centers by requiring applicants for medical marijuana business licenses to waive their right to privacy.

The council could force all growing centers to sign such a waiver as a condition of receiving a city-issued business license.

But the city attorney's office is split on that idea.

Haddock said some staffers support making the locations of growing operations public because Boulder "typically wants things open."

"My understanding of Boulder's philosophy in general is to provide for openness wherever possible," she said.

But City Attorney Tom Carr is recommending against requiring growers to sign a waiver.

"My concern is based on my experience with illegal grow operations," he said. "What happens at times is people try to rob them because there's money and pot there."

Carr said he understands why the state Legislature would want to prevent those types of robberies and that Boulder should "honor that while the state works this out."

He said lawmakers might take a second look at the rule later this year.

Dustin Shroyer, owner of the Root Organic MMC dispensary, at 5420 Arapahoe Ave., said keeping the location of his growing warehouse in Boulder a secret is important to his business -- which offers a combination of marijuana products and a spa with yoga, acupuncture and "lifestyle coaching."

"It's important to us just for security purposes," he said.

But Shroyer said he isn't overly concerned about the accidental disclosure because he considers his warehouse "so secure that anybody who would try to break in would have the police surround them instantly."

He said he has security cameras and extra layers of security doors, and he doesn't keep telltale signs of what's inside -- including bags of dirt or compost -- sitting outside the warehouse.

Still, he said, people who are motivated enough could probably figure out on their own pretty quickly where people are growing marijuana.

"I think anybody with any knowledge could scout any industrial warehouse and find some," he said.

Shroyer said he's not upset with the city over the accidental disclosure because city officials and medical marijuana business owners are still learning how to deal with one another.

"It's very important to let them work the bugs out of their system," he said. "Hopefully, they'll just grow from that and learn from it."

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lofter1
January 8th, 2011, 09:54 AM
Sign of the times ...

11863

lofter1
February 7th, 2011, 12:49 PM
Where things stand in the mind of America these days ...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQRMvg5TAl8

JCMAN320
February 8th, 2011, 01:35 AM
Where things stand in the mind of America these days ...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQRMvg5TAl8

LMFAO!! That's classic!! I love it I absolutely love it!!!

Merry
February 11th, 2011, 05:39 AM
^ Dontcha just love spontaneity :D.


Welcome to NYC, "Marijuana Arrest Capital of the World"

Last year the NYPD arrested 50,383 people for low-level marijuana offenses, making low-level pot possession the number one cause of arrest in NYC. On average, nearly 140 people are arrested every day for marijuana possession in NYC, according to stats released by the New York Division of Criminal Justice Services and obtained by the Drug Policy Alliance. The announcement from the reformist group also comes with a friendly reminder that possession of 25 grams or less of marijuana was decriminalized 30 years ago. Not that this stops cops from arresting you for it. Here's how they do it, according to the DPA:
Possession of 25 grams or less of marijuana was decriminalized - that is, it was made a violation, with the first offense facing a maximum penalty of a $100 fine, not arrest and jail. Marijuana burning or "in public view" was made a criminal offense, a misdemeanor. Most people arrested for marijuana possession were not smoking in public; most simply had a small amount of marijuana in their pocket, purse or bag. Possessing a small amount of marijuana in one's pocket or bag is a legal violation, not a criminal offense. But quite often, when police stop and question a person, they say "empty your pockets" or "open your bag." Many people comply with the officer's request. If a person pulls marijuana from their pocket or bag, it makes the marijuana "open to public view," a crime. The police then arrest the person for this misdemeanor.
So the solution's simple—if you're holding, just politely decline to empty your pockets. The officer will defer to your nuanced grasp of the law and respect your right to privacy, and you'll be on your merry way! Gabriel Sayegh at the Drug Policy Alliance elaborates: "A full search—in which the person stopped is required to empty his pockets, or where an officer puts his hands in an individual's pocket or otherwise goes beyond the pat down of outer clothing for the purpose of determining if there is a weapon (the 'frisk')—this requires probable cause, that is, enough evidence to justify an arrest.

"What is happening with many of the arrests is that police are ordering people to empty their pockets, discovering marijuana, and then arresting people for marijuana—but where was the probable cause for the arrest in the first place? Answer: There wasn’t any. If an officer has stopped someone and says, 'empty your pockets,' the person can ask, 'Am I under arrest?' If not, you are free to go. If the police say you’re being arrested, then they can go into your pockets (conduct a full search), but legally speaking, they have to have probable cause to arrest you in the first place and possession of marijuana isn’t a criminal act.

"In short, people can not empty their pockets, but the cops might get a bit miffed by this, and that could be more problematic than actually just cooperating. Either way, people should always say 'I don’t consent to a search.' "

http://gothamist.com/2011/02/10/welcome_to_nyc_the_marijuana_arrest.php

Ninjahedge
February 11th, 2011, 08:11 AM
The only problem being, most cops can make up a "probable cause".

they can say they saw you put something into your pocket, or that someone told them that you had drugs, or that you did something like Jaywalk.

Whatever the excuse, cops do not take kindly to being refused and will find whatever way necessary to make themselves "right" in their "request".

Maybe they should just set up hasish (SP?) bars like booze bars and be done with it. You have just broken the gateway to other drugs as many that have used pot p[robably would not try another if it was not readily available through the same channels (or somehow equated with the same level of severity as PCP or Cocaine).

They could provisionally legalize it through limited distribution and tax the hall out of it like a more controlled Alcohol and we will see the crime syndicates lose one cash cow and the country gain a bunch of really mellow "consumers".

Radiohead
February 17th, 2011, 07:06 PM
Perhaps it's the libertarian side of me, but as long as they're minding their own business, what an adult puts in their own body is none of the government's d#%n business. Those who think it is are usually fascists or hypocrites. Or both.

Ninjahedge
February 18th, 2011, 07:47 AM
But once the government has to pay for things like emergency mediacl care and other stuff, then it is no longer just your own buisness.

There are some drugs that cause problems. Behavioral problems, medical problems, crime, etc. There is a difference between different drugs. The key here is to not lump a bunch of different substances that do different things all together when there are some that do very little harm (weed) and others that can ruin anyone's day (PCP).

We are so duplicitous that we can take a mild naturally growing sedative (no refinement needed) and call it illegal, but have dozens of factory generated mood altering drugs (sleep aids, anti-depressants, etc) perfectly legal with a perscription, and a couple without.

Just legalize the damn stuff (pot) and tax it already. We have a deficit to fill and I am tired of them firing teachers to do it.

Radiohead
February 18th, 2011, 10:20 PM
But once the government has to pay for things like emergency mediacl care and other stuff, then it is no longer just your own buisness.



But that has nothing to do with legality or decriminalization, unless you think that more idiots will take PCP, heroin or crack if it is decriminalized. I don't think that will happen. And if someone takes the stuff, OD's and requires medical care on the public dime, that person should be required to pay back all costs associated with that, including the police response, EMS, hospitalization etc. (assuming they didn't kill themself). If they don't reimburse the city/state/hospital, then the legal system should step in. But that should be true whether the stuff is legal or not. Still, that stuff will never be decriminalized, and I wouldn't argue in favor of the hard stuff since it can kill you....fast.

Cocaine is in the middle (I've never tried it, but have had chances:)). From observing those who do, it's relatively harmless if used occasionally, but easily addicting and an expensive chronic habit. But I doubt it will ever be decriminalized either, though it probably should.

As for weed, the fact that most of the states are in budget shortfalls yet they're wasting criminal justice resources & $$ to go after pot smokers is a crime in itself. Not to mention they're contributing to the gang bloodbaths in Mexico, who make millions smuggling the stuff north. Anyone caught dealing to those under age (21) should be put away, but adults should be able to make their own decisions about it. I don't mess with it much because I don't want to get tested and lose my job (that's another thread), but that's my choice.

It's amazing that the same ones who admit prohibition was a failure with alcohol cling to their belief that it is working with pot. It's not.

Ninjahedge
February 21st, 2011, 10:54 AM
If the stuff is addictive and destructive and requires more than simple harvesting or "Bathtub generation" to make, there is no real reason to legalize it.

If one person gets cranked on "legal" PCP and wastes a schoolyard it is one too many.

But, the chances of that happening on Pot? Pheh. "Nil" comes to mind.....

Makes you wonder, though. I found this for Tax revenue on Alcohol:

http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxfacts/displayafact.cfm?Docid=399

But $5m sounds a bit low.... I can't find what they are considering in this survey (bulk, retail distributorship, food and beverege sales (restaurants) or what)....

lofter1
February 25th, 2011, 12:41 PM
The current GOP Governor of Indiana (http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/02/mitch-daniels-the-one-to-watch/71169/) loved to toke up at Princeton (and, given the amount of weed and other goodies he was busted with, apparently liked to profit from it as well) ...

Mitch Daniels on Drugs

THE AMERICAN PROSPECT
TAPPED blog (http://www.prospect.org/csnc/blogs/tapped_archive?month=02&year=2011&base_name=mitch_daniels_on_drugs#124009)
BY PAUL WALDMAN
02/24/2011 AT 10:35 AM

Well this is interesting (http://www.dailyprincetonian.com/2011/02/24/27723/print/):



After Mitch Daniels '71 was arrested, indicted and convicted on charges of drug use as an undergraduate in May 1970, he said that he thought his aspiring political career was doomed. "Any goal I might have had for competing for public office were shot," he told The Daily Princetonian in September 1988...

Perhaps the most pivotal day of Daniels' four years at Princeton was May 14, 1970 — the day of the drug arrest that Daniels thought would sully his political future. Officers found enough marijuana in his room to fill two size 12 shoe boxes, reports of the incident say. He and the other inhabitants of the room were also charged with possession of LSD and prescription drugs without a prescription. Daniels and his two roommates in 111 Cuyler Hall, Marc Stuart '71 and Richard Stockton '71, were arrested and, after plea bargaining, Daniels eventually escaped with a $350 fine for "maintaining a common nuisance."

The article mentions a Washington Post op-ed Daniels wrote in 1989 admitting to the incident, so I tracked it down (it's not online unless you want to pay). What I found was a pretty extraordinary combination of whitewash and hypocrisy:



In calling for enforcement of drug laws against even casual users -- publicizing the names of arrestees, at least minimal fines or jail time for those convicted and requiring no-use policies from colleges and other beneficiaries of government funds and so on -- William Bennett is exactly right. The threshold test of seriousness on the drug issue -- for President Bush in reviewing the plan and for your congressman in reacting to it -- will be their enthusiasm for these sections. In my opinion, any public official who shrinks from user sanctions should be disqualified from further participation in the drug debate.

Pontification this lofty requires, I recognize, qualifications. Regrettably, I have credentials. Two decades ago -- half my life ago -- there occurred the unfortunate confluence of my wild oats period and America's libertine apogee. On my college campus, just as on most college campuses, marijuana was as easy to obtain as Budweiser beer and was viewed with equal complacency. For a time, I was a carefree consumer of both.

In those days, the law had not yet thrown in the towel on small-timers. After one party too many, two friends and I ended up enjoying the hospitality of the local police for two nights. We had been arrested. A few months later, a stern-faced judge fined me $ 350 for use of marijuana.

The effect was immediate, and it has been enduring. My young Midwestern tail was jerked back into line, where it has remained through 20 years of law-abiding, rather conventional life, which has included marriage and fatherhood.

Try not to get distracted by the despicable assertion that anyone who holds a position different from Daniels' "should be disqualified from further participation in the drug debate." See how Daniels describes his possession of an amount of marijuana that under current law would almost certainly qualify as "intent to distribute," not to mention LSD, as nothing more than "after one party too many." He certainly doesn't mention the two shoeboxes full of pot -- he'd obviously rather let you think the cops found him passed out with a roach in his pocket.

The comically mild penalty he received -- a $350 fine, no jail time, no probation -- was a salutary wake-up call that allowed him to go on to a productive career. And he presents this as evidence in favor of laws that would absolutely destroy the career of anybody caught in 1989 (or today) doing what Daniels was caught doing. A couple of hundred thousand students have lost their financial aid, in many cases meaning they had to drop out of college, because of a conviction for possession or sale of drugs. If Daniels were in college today, and thus had actually served time as a convicted drug dealer, not only would he have no political future, he wouldn't have much of a future at all.

But his logic seems be this: When the police found me with a huge amount of drugs, I was given a slap on the wrist, and I then went on to a productive life. Which shows that kids today who did what I did ought to have to leave school and get chucked in jail with murderers and rapists. Perhaps Daniels has changed his position on this issue since 1989 -- lots of other people have. But it's worth asking, particularly since he's probably going to run for president, if not next year then in 2016.

© 2011 by The American Prospect, Inc.

Ninjahedge
February 25th, 2011, 02:13 PM
Stupid.

What he should say is that small time users should get slaps on the wrist and that people who sell should be the ones that are the main focus.

If all there are are small time sellers, ones with less than a kilo to their name, then it is easier to ration and control. It is also a lot harder to make mega-profits on to fuel criminal syndicates.

We are missing the point on this yet again. I say if he feels that they should be punished as such, he should be retroactively punished as well.

That and they should find out who he (may) be sleeping with outside his family. Guys this duplicitous rarely go cold turkey on one wrist slap.

lofter1
September 12th, 2011, 01:58 PM
A Special Kind Of Pot
(http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/2011/09/a-special-kind-of-pot.html)
This does not appear to be fictional (http://io9.com/5838975/):

It begins with a freshly showered person riding naked for hours on a clean, washed horse inside a two-meter-high "forest" of marijuana. Afterwards, the human body and that of the horse are covered with a thick layer of resin mixed with sweat. This produces a substance that is usually dark brown in color, which is then thoroughly scraped off the human and horse's bodies [...] But it is a lot harder to produce this form of the drug because you need more time to make it. Imagine 10, 20, or 30 individuals running or riding naked in a field of wild marijuana. It goes without saying that they are more exposed and it is easier to catch them. Nonetheless, people do it and they have been doing it since time immemorial.


Sweaty male Kazakh resin. Mmmmm. Just in time for the GOP primary season. (You've got to get through it somehow).

***

Strange Harvest in a Central Asian River Valley

(http://www.theworld.org/2011/09/strange-harvest-in-a-central-asian-river-valley/)***


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQwv_iZrlBM

scumonkey
September 12th, 2011, 02:52 PM
In Afghanistan they do whip their hands back and forth across the plants to produce that substance, but riding naked on a horse...?

Ninjahedge
September 12th, 2011, 05:01 PM
Um...... wha????

So how is this better than any other method? Does the sweat just it out? DO you need naked men doing this, or can one guy leed a bunch of horses through there and scrape it off of all of them? Would they just drag mannequins through a field of pot and get the same stuff?

:confused:

Merry
September 28th, 2011, 06:32 AM
Ray Kelly Orders NYPD To Stop Arresting Minimal Pot Possessors

9/23/11

Looks like New York might no longer be the capital of marijuana-related arrests.

Police Commissioner Ray Kelly sent an internal memo (posted by WNYC) to the NYPD telling departments to stop arresting people who possess small amounts of marijuana.

Under the current law, possession of less than 25 grams is a misdemeanor crime, not a criminal offense, and carries a maximum $100 fine. For an arrest to take place someone must be openly burning pot, but that's not usually the case.

In 2010 an astounding 50,383 people were arrested in New York for having marijuana on them, which accounted for nearly 15% of all arrests -- making it the #1 reason for arrests. A recent lawsuit alleges that the NYPD's aggresive stop-and-frisk program unfairly targets Black and Latino youths, many of whom are tossed in jail over minor pot offensives.

Police arrest nearly 140 people per day for marijuana possession, which is often a result of an illegal search, as WNYC reported. In fact this broken system costs New Yorker tax payers a whopping $75 million a year.

The law has often proved overly harsh on possession, including the case of Penelope Harris, who had her son and niece taken away from her after police found 10 grams of pot in her house.
The order comes at a time when Kelly and Mayor Bloomberg have been harshly criticized for the huge spike in marijuana-related arrests.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/23/ray-kelly-orders-nypd-to-_n_978619.html

Ninjahedge
September 28th, 2011, 09:01 AM
For an arrest to take place someone must be openly burning pot, but that's not usually the case.

Not by my nose.....

Smoking that skunky stuff out on the street is nasty and there should be a higher fine (not arrest) for it.

But then again, I would say the same for cigars....

eddhead
September 28th, 2011, 10:01 AM
^^ Cigars?? I have to admit being guilty of smoking the occassional cigar. I kind of like the smell. But cigarettes, now that is obnoxious (or just noxious)

Ninjahedge
September 28th, 2011, 11:49 AM
Meh, I don't mind that people smoke them, but they are seriously smoke bombs. You get one cigar you smell it half way down the block.

You get a joint (or a doped cig) and you smell that even further!

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September 28th, 2011, 02:30 PM
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Four20ny
October 5th, 2011, 02:33 PM
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eddhead
October 12th, 2011, 10:27 AM
It would seem that you have a one track mind.