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Henri
October 31st, 2005, 02:22 PM
756-768 Myrtle Avenue
http://www.scaranoarchitects.com/
1. Does anyone have any idea for how much it's going to sell?
2. On Scarano's Website they call it Clinton Hill, I am wondering what it really is, Clinton Hill or Williamsburg or Bed Sty?
By the way the pictures are amazing, what do u think?

ryan
October 31st, 2005, 02:33 PM
I thought east of Bedford Ave was Bed-Sty, no? Definitely no way to call that Williamsburg - even allowing for the increasingly elastic eastern boarder...

Henri
October 31st, 2005, 02:58 PM
[quote=ryan]I thought east of Bedford Ave was Bed-Sty, no?
Remember The Spencer on 191-209 Spencer Street? go to The Developers Group Web and give a look how they are marketing it. http://www.thedevelopersgroup.com/buildings/building.aspx?buildingid=1005&The Spencer is one of the first new residential buildings in the historically designated area of Clinton Hill. :rolleyes: http://www.thedevelopersgroup.com/IMAGES/NAV/SPACER.GIF

Derek2k3
October 31st, 2005, 03:08 PM
That's what the marketers want you to think. Many consider Bedstuy east of Classon though I put it at Bedford.

ryan
October 31st, 2005, 03:40 PM
I don't want to cause any additional rumor drama, but I think these folks (and scarano too) might have mislabeled some of the neighborhoods on these sites. I'm sure they are honest folks who would never intentionally mislead potential buyers - must have been a faulty map that didn't include Bushwick or Bed-Sty.

ASchwarz
October 31st, 2005, 03:56 PM
I don't want to cause any additional rumor drama, but I think these folks (and scarano too) might have mislabeled some of the neighborhoods on these sites. I'm sure they are honest folks who would never intentionally mislead potential buyers - must have been a faulty map that didn't include Bushwick or Bed-Sty.

Of course developers exaggerate but how can you mislabel something that doesn't exist? There are no official neighborhood boundaries in NYC and people have different conceptions of the same neighborhood.

The Hasidic population along Myrtle definitely considers the neighborhood to be Williamsburg. The hipsters probably consider the area to be Clinton Hill. Old-timers probably call the area Bed Stuy or Navy Yard.

ryan
October 31st, 2005, 04:07 PM
That's like totally infallible logic. Really, except there are existing neighborhoods (http://www.nyc.gov/html/dcp/html/neighbor/neigh.shtml) - even if there is no official government map. Just because people debate their boundaries (especially in the in-between areas like you identify) does not mean they don't exist.

ASchwarz
October 31st, 2005, 05:30 PM
That's like totally infallible logic. Really, except there are existing neighborhoods (http://www.nyc.gov/html/dcp/html/neighbor/neigh.shtml) - even if there is no official government map. Just because people debate their boundaries (especially in the in-between areas like you identify) does not mean they don't exist.

I disagree. Does the East Village not exist because the name was coined by real estate types in the 60's? What about Brooklyn's Chinatown? Until about 1980 that section of Brooklyn was considered part of Bay Ridge. Old-timers still consider Eighth Avenue to be Bay Ridge. At the same time, eveyone else calls Brooklyn's Chinatown part of Sunset Park. Another example is South Brooklyn. Park Slope used to be called South Brooklyn. Boerum Hill was just downtown Brooklyn. Other examples of neighborhoods that shifted names would be Tribeca (Lower West Side) and SoHo (did it even have a name?).

Then sometimes neighborhoods shift a few blocks. Where does Harlem begin? Depends who you talk to. Same goes for Bed Stuy.

I consider the Myrtle Ave. locaton borderline Bed Stuy, but you could easily argue it's Clinton Hill. Billyburg would be a stretch.

ryan
October 31st, 2005, 05:46 PM
The east village came to be when it did, but now that it exists you couldn't argue that East 32nd street is the east village. Yes, they develop over time, but once they do a common understanding solidifies. Borders will always be debated (chinatown) and the city will continue to evolve. Manipulation still sucks.

ablarc
October 31st, 2005, 06:27 PM
The projects on the Scarano site are pretty nice.

Why is this man so hated?

And why so much disparagement of his stuff? Is it bad in person?

Derek2k3
October 31st, 2005, 07:24 PM
Only the typical Brooklyn nimbys, who despise everything that does not look like a brownstone, hate his stuff.

ablarc
October 31st, 2005, 08:13 PM
Only the typical Brooklyn nimbys, who despise everything that does not look like a brownstone, hate his stuff.
Some forumers, too.

lofter1
October 31st, 2005, 09:12 PM
Other examples of neighborhoods that shifted names would be Tribeca (Lower West Side) and SoHo (did it even have a name?).

SoHo: previously known as "Hell's Hundred Acres" (http://www.lowermanhattan.info/history/didyouknow/did_you_know_that_20527.asp )

Tribeca: once known as the "Washington Market" (not all of Tribeca, but the western portion: http://www.tribeca.org/historyWashingtonMarket.aspx )


Then sometimes neighborhoods shift a few blocks. Where does Harlem begin? Depends who you talk to. Same goes for Bed Stuy.

Except that BEDFORD Avenue just might have something to do with the name of the neighborhood: Bedford Stuyvesant.

To push the border so that Bedford Ave. is no longer in Bed / Stuy seems really to be stretching things, marketing folks-wise.

lofter1
October 31st, 2005, 09:17 PM
Other examples of neighborhoods that shifted names would be Tribeca (Lower West Side)

Good links for pre-Tribeca aka Lower West Side:

http://www.forgotten-ny.com/LAMPS/Market/prebeca.html

http://www.forgotten-ny.com/STREET%20SCENES/tribeca/tribeca.html

Classie83
March 4th, 2006, 02:31 PM
I disagree. Does the East Village not exist because the name was coined by real estate types in the 60's? What about Brooklyn's Chinatown? Until about 1980 that section of Brooklyn was considered part of Bay Ridge. Old-timers still consider Eighth Avenue to be Bay Ridge. At the same time, eveyone else calls Brooklyn's Chinatown part of Sunset Park. Another example is South Brooklyn. Park Slope used to be called South Brooklyn. Boerum Hill was just downtown Brooklyn. Other examples of neighborhoods that shifted names would be Tribeca (Lower West Side) and SoHo (did it even have a name?).

Then sometimes neighborhoods shift a few blocks. Where does Harlem begin? Depends who you talk to. Same goes for Bed Stuy.

I consider the Myrtle Ave. locaton borderline Bed Stuy, but you could easily argue it's Clinton Hill. Billyburg would be a stretch.


I agree. I consider it to be bed stuy. You can tell from the street names. Once Nostrand turns into Lee, that's Williamsburg...

Classie83
March 4th, 2006, 02:31 PM
I don't want to cause any additional rumor drama, but I think these folks (and scarano too) might have mislabeled some of the neighborhoods on these sites. I'm sure they are honest folks who would never intentionally mislead potential buyers - must have been a faulty map that didn't include Bushwick or Bed-Sty.

Lol. Faulty map indeed. :D