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December 13th, 2005, 08:44 AM
December 11, 2005
10 New York Hotels for Under $250 a Night


SANDWICHED between an Indian and a Chinese restaurant, the new Holiday Inn Express near Times Square is the brand's first foray into Manhattan. Opened two months ago, the 125-room hotel is on a busy stretch of West 45th Street where trucks double-park, sidewalk peddlers hawk old magazines and office smokers huddle.

But it's a different world inside. With its low-grade veneered plywood furniture and its vending machines, there is little distinguishing this property, between Fifth Avenue and the Avenue of the Americas, from the 1,400 other Holiday Inn Expresses found along highways and nameless suburbs. Muffins are baked by the food conglomerate Sysco. Floral prints are bolted to the wall. The bathrooms are a study in beige.
You could be in Anywhere, U.S.A. That is, until the bill arrives. The price for a standard room, with a broom-size closet and views of a grimy alley: $299, not including taxes.

New York is no bargain. Its portfolio of luxury hotels rivals that of any major city; the penthouse suite to open this spring at the Four Seasons, for example, will cost around $30,000 a night (yes, that's four zeros). But the sticker shock these days is no longer confined to the high end. During the first nine months of this year, according to PKF Consulting, which specializes in hotels, the average price of a hotel shot up to $225.07, from $194.73 last year, and, by year's end, is likely to break the all-time high of $239.90 in 2000.

"Without question, New York is the most expensive venue in the United States," said John A. Fox, a senior vice president of PKF Consulting. "In the rest of the country, $225 will get you a very good four- to five-star hotel room. But in New York, for $225, you'll get a small room in a low-quality three-star hotel that was not necessarily recently renovated."

And the view? "You'll get a brick wall."

That's assuming you can get a room. Hotel occupancy rates have risen to 85.4 percent, up from 81.4 last September, according to PKF. "New York is essentially sold-out until the end of the year," Mr. Fox said.
Tourists can thank themselves. NYC & Company, the city's visitors and convention bureau, estimates that a record-setting 41 million people will visit the city this year. Meanwhile, the city's supply of hotel beds - 63,000 now - fell slightly during the past two years, with marquee properties like the Plaza Hotel and Regent Wall Street going the way of yet another luxury condominium.

So what's a budget traveler to do when budget hotels like the Holiday Inn Express cost more than the Ritz-Carlton in St. Louis ($259 a night)? Airport hotels are tempting, as long as you don't mind the long adventure to and from Manhattan. Flophouses are another option, but penny pinchers should first poke around tripadvisor.com (http://tripadvisor.com/), the online travel forum: it's creepy how often mice - even rats - are spotted scurrying inside the city's moderately priced rooms.

If that doesn't keep you homebound, take heart. A wide-ranging search of Manhattan's 230 or so hotels uncovered places that are not only easy on the wallet but also clean, well maintained and even homey. With some digging, you can get a good night's sleep, a hot shower and a place to secure your shopping bags - all for under $250. Just don't expect deluxe accommodations and top-notch service. At most of these places, amenities are limited to fresh towels, clean sheets and a room key. And don't expect to do much entertaining. Think of your

shoebox as a taste of how some New Yorkers really live.


Not long ago, a low-budget bed in Times Square meant only one thing. But there's nothing sleazy about André Balazs's hip version of a Super 8. Situated on a touristy block within screaming distance of MTV's studios, Hotel QT keeps prices low by masking the lack of frills (and good service) with lots of designer touches.

The smallest room, labeled an "F" (perhaps for "frugal"), starts at $125. For that price, you get roughly 200 square feet that barely fits a queen-size bed. Those units sell out fast, so when I stayed there several weeks ago, I booked a larger "B" class for $225. Check-in was confusing: the front desk looks like a newsstand (complete with magazines, candy and beer), the clerk couldn't work the computer, and the room I was assigned, 701, was under construction - 10 months after the hotel had opened.

The delay was hard to appreciate. None of the polish that went into the lobby swimming pool (seen in countless design magazines) was evident in my eventual room, 1606. Walls had a single coat of putty-gray paint, tiles were misaligned, and the floors were warped. The open shower in the doorless bathroom may appeal to exhibitionists, but that doesn't explain the absence of towel racks, hooks, alarm clocks and chairs. It was clear where the money had been spent, and it wasn't in the spartan rooms.

Nevertheless, there are enough unexpected frills to recommend the hotel. The platform king was plush, the Egyptian cotton bedding soft and the closet spacious. The room was also equipped with free WiFi and a large flat-screen television. There were free coffee and bagels in the morning, as well as a tiny gym. The views aren't bad either. As night fell, and I got bored spying on the offices across 45th Street, slivers of Times Square reflected off the glassy canyon like a mile-long pinball machine.

For the first time in years, I felt like a tourist in my own city. Maybe I should catch a Broadway show. Or check out the new Teri Hatcher wax figure at Madame Tussaud's. But alas, QT does not have a concierge. And it started pouring. So I joined a group of guests in their 20's and 30's in the lounge, next to the pool and sauna, as the nightly party got under way.


Those seeking cookie-cutter comfort should opt for the Hampton Inn in nearby Chelsea. But if you want to mingle with bohemians, friendly weirdos and lots of European backpackers, look no further than the Gershwin, (http://travel2.nytimes.com/top/features/travel/destinations/unitedstates/newyork/newyorkcity/hotel_details.html?vid=1083919789207) on East 27th Street. Despite the bumbling staff and stag party vibe, I found myself lulled by the Gershwin's carefree and unpretentious air.

Decorated with funky artwork and mismatched furniture, the Gershwin feels like a throwback from that East Village touchstone, "Rent." But it's off Fifth Avenue, in the shadows of the Empire State Building, and within easy walking distance to Midtown and Lower Manhattan.

The 13-story Greek Revival building is splattered with huge podlike sconces that suggest a haunted playhouse. Inside, Andy Warhol (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/w/andy_warhol/index.html?inline=nyt-per) is the resident spirit, with each floor given to a different artist. The wannabe-Factory aesthetic might have seemed contrived in the 1980's, but it feels charmingly dated today.

Standard rooms (starting at $119) are homey and even spacious, in a first-apartment-after-college kind of way. (For those on a tighter budget, a bunk in the hostel dorm rooms on the lower floors starts at $33.) There are hardwood floors (rare among the city's hotels), rusty radiators that clank (i.e., no thermostat) and windows that look directly into other people's apartments, furthering the tenement effect.

Basic amenities are extended, but only half-heartedly. Cable reception is fuzzy, calls to the front desk take 10 rings to answer, and the WiFi is spotty at best. Luckily, the full-service neighborhood makes up for the shortcomings. There's a terrific 24-hour deli around the corner, Cafe 28, where you can get anything from sushi to e-mail. For $20, guests have full use of the Gym, a health club across the street. And around the corner is Madison Square, a great park for writing postcards and people watching.

The nightclub-style lobby, however, does have a concierge desk, staffed with young transplants who will happily answer questions about nearby places to buy skateboarding gear and video games.


This is a hotel that few New Yorkers know about. There is no trendy designer to name drop, no rooftop pool to pose around, and its biggest offense: it's in a sleepy neighborhood with no claims of hipsterdom. And that's a shame, because the Affinia Dumont may be one of the city's best-kept hotel secrets.

Set on East 34th Street, near one of the entrances to the Queens Midtown Tunnel, the Affinia is designed for jock-minded business travelers. There are a well-appointed 24-hour gym, a spa and minibars stocked with energy bars and the like. But cost-conscious tourists will find that it suits their needs as well, especially on weekends, when rates drop significantly. The all-suite, pet-friendly hotel typically starts at $329, but rates this holiday season can be found for as low as $199.

For that price, you get a roomy "studio suite" that could be described as urban contemporary: tan leather headboard, dark-wood-veneered mirror and stainless-steel sconces. It is equipped with a kitchenette (full-size by Manhattan standards), an extremely comfy bed with high-thread-count sheets and lots of residential touches like dimmer switches and throw pillows. Today's wired traveler will also appreciate the number of electrical outlets, easy Internet hookup ($9.95 a day) and Aeron ergonomic chair. My south-facing suite on the 24th floor offered clear views of Lower Manhattan and the East River.

But where the Affinia shines is its service. Guests are greeted by name, housekeeping calls (for a dead light bulb) were addressed promptly, and the morning paper arrived before I finished brushing my teeth. And instead of the hodgepodge of takeout menus typical of most cheaper hotels, the Barking Dog restaurant downstairs offers room service. But don't except a silver trolley: breakfast, ordered the night before, arrived in a plastic "I Love New York" bag.

I enjoyed the stay so much that I asked for a late checkout. The request was eagerly accommodated.


With its decrepit beauty, ornate bones and storied ghosts, the Chelsea Hotel (http://travel2.nytimes.com/top/features/travel/destinations/unitedstates/newyork/newyorkcity/hotel_details.html?vid=1083747022494) still casts a long shadow on Gotham's cultural psyche, long after Nancy Spungen was stabbed to death in Room 100 by Sid Vicious. After eyeing it from afar since my clubbing days, it was time to check in.

The shabby-chic lobby is a beehive of nervous creativity. Art portfolios whiz back and forth. Laptops are sprawled across couches. Party invitations spill from mail cubbies. After a quick check-in - the avuncular manager uses a pencil and eraser - the bellhop escorted me to my room, 915. Ethan Hawke, looking disheveled, joined us part of the way up. (About half of the 400 units are occupied long-term by artists, writers and other creative people.)

The marble hallways are wide, like a schoolhouse's. The lacy ironwork that graces the Victorian Gothic facade also creeps up the grand spiral staircase. Like the Guggenheim Museum, the corkscrew is lined lobby to rooftop with original artworks, some of them once contributed in exchange for rent.

In terms of space, the single (starting at $195) was not bad. It had new, though poorly arranged, furniture including a desk, matching nightstands and a dresser. The white-tiled bathroom was large, the ceilings high and airy. But the place could have used a good scrub. The mint-green carpeting was frayed. The molding was badly scuffed. The window was caked in soot, darkening the views of King Kong's former perch.

Knowing that each room is different, I asked about other vacancies. I took the elevator to 622, a junior suite. There was a fireplace, hardwood floors and a Chippendale-style sofa. In other words, it was drop-dead gorgeous - the type of place you instantly imagine yourself living in, if only to provoke apartment envy among friends. It is also twice as large and, unfortunately, nearly twice as expensive as my single, to which I skulked back, and began rearranging the furniture.

For a hotel that turned 100 this year, the Chelsea could use a refresher course on hospitality. There are bare bulbs, little security and no information about the hotel inside the room (unless you pay $7 a day to get Web access in your room). Even the television remote lacked a battery cover. But if the choice were between the Chelsea's grungy elegance and the soulless architecture of a Holiday Inn, I would choose the Chelsea any night. And if an apartment were to open up, perhaps 622, I'd check in permanently.

Big City, Light Wallet

To find an affordable hotel room in Manhattan, do your research and book early. Rates vary wildly, depending on the season and availability. Prices tend to be highest in the fall, when conventioneers converge on the city, and again in December, when holiday shoppers bump elbows. Special events like a United Nations meeting or the New York City Marathon can also jack up prices dramatically. Like air fare, a room that goes for $199 one night can jump to $399 the next.
Deals can sometimes be found through Web discounters like
(http://hotels.com/)Hotels.com (http://hotels.com/), Expedia.com (http://expedia.com/) and Tablethotels.com (http://tablethotels.com/). If rooms are sold out online, call the hotels directly and ask about last-minute cancellations.
Travelers should also budget for city, state and occupancy taxes, which come to 13.625 percent, plus $3.50 a night. The rates below - some from the hotels, some from online reservation services - were for fall, before higher holiday rates kicked in, and were for the least expensive room, single or double.

Affinia Dumont, 150 East 34th Street (Lexington and Third Avenues), 212-481-7600; www.affinia.com (http://www.affinia.com/). From $199. A business and pet-friendly spot with gym and spa.

Chelsea Hotel (http://travel2.nytimes.com/top/features/travel/destinations/unitedstates/newyork/newyorkcity/hotel_details.html?vid=1083747022494), 222 West 23rd Street (Seventh and Eighth Avenues), 212-243-3700; www.hotelchelsea.com (http://www.hotelchelsea.com/). From $195. The storied bohemian landmark.

Doubletree Metropolitan, 569 Lexington Avenue (51st Street), 212-752-7000; www.metropolitanhotelnyc.com (http://www.metropolitanhotelnyc.com/). From $159. A recently renovated Morris Lapidus landmark.

Excelsior Hotel (http://travel2.nytimes.com/top/features/travel/destinations/unitedstates/newyork/newyorkcity/hotel_details.html?vid=1083747027595), 45 West 81st Street (Central Park West and Columbus Avenue), 212-362-9200; www.excelsiorhotelny.com (http://www.excelsiorhotelny.com/). From $229. Cozy Upper West Side elegance, steps from Central Park.

(http://travel2.nytimes.com/top/features/travel/destinations/unitedstates/newyork/newyorkcity/hotel_details.html?vid=1083919789207)Gershwin Hotel (http://travel2.nytimes.com/top/features/travel/destinations/unitedstates/newyork/newyorkcity/hotel_details.html?vid=1083919789207), 7 East 27th Street (Fifth and Madison Avenues), 212-545-8000; www.gershwinhotel.com (http://www.gershwinhotel.com/). From $119. Hotel-cum-hostel popular with young Europeans.

Hotel QT, 125 West 45th Street (Avenue of the Americas and Seventh Avenue), 212-354-2323; www.hotelqt.com (http://www.hotelqt.com/). From $125. A cheap chic hotel by André Balazs.

Hotel Stanford, 43 West 32nd Street (Broadway and Fifth Avenue), 800-365-1114; www.hotelstanford.com (http://www.hotelstanford.com/). From $189. The staff at this Koreatown hotel speaks Korean and English (and Spanish).

Hudson Hotel (http://travel2.nytimes.com/top/features/travel/destinations/unitedstates/newyork/newyorkcity/hotel_details.html?vid=1083747037143), 356 West 58th Street (Eighth and Ninth Avenues), 212-554-6000; www.hudsonhotel.com (http://www.hudsonhotel.com/). From $199. A former Y.W.C.A. redesigned by Philippe Starck.

Off SoHo Suites Hotel, 11 Rivington Street (Bowery and Chrystie Streets), 800-633-7646; www.offsoho.com (http://www.offsoho.com/). Economy rooms from $199 (sharing kitchen and bath with another room); suites from $189. Euro-style suites between SoHo and the Lower East Side.

(http://travel2.nytimes.com/top/features/travel/destinations/unitedstates/newyork/newyorkcity/hotel_details.html?vid=1083919788141)The Time (http://travel2.nytimes.com/top/features/travel/destinations/unitedstates/newyork/newyorkcity/hotel_details.html?vid=1083919788141), 224 West 49th Street (Broadway and Eighth Avenue), 877-846-3692; www.thetimeny.com (http://www.thetimeny.com/). From $189. Another hip, high-concept hotel in Times Square.
DENNY LEE is a frequent contributor to the Travel section.

Copyright 2005 (http://www.nytimes.com/ref/membercenter/help/copyright.html)The New York Times Company (http://www.nytco.com/)

January 8th, 2006, 07:21 AM
Anyone know what the Hotel Beacon is like??

January 8th, 2006, 07:43 AM
Anyone know what the Hotel Beacon is like??http://wirednewyork.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7768&highlight=beacon

January 8th, 2006, 08:34 AM
Thanks antinimby!

January 8th, 2006, 09:19 AM
anyone know what hotels are relatively cheap and affordable, located in a safe area and near to subway, for a student.

January 9th, 2006, 10:30 AM
Night dawns brightly for hotelier Chatwal

Boutique lodgings capitalize on city tourism boom and rising room rates

By Steve Cutler

When Vikram Chatwal opened the posh boutique hotel Time just north of Times Square in 1999, it was risky business. Back then, high-style in Times Square was more Walt Disney than Richard Meier. "People said it wouldn't work," recalls Chatwal.

Call it good karma: It worked, and survived the calamitous post-September 11 years, getting a sister hotel, Dream, on West 55th Street at the end of 2004. Chatwal will launch his third high-concept hotel, Night, in the same Times Square neighborhood at 132 West 45th Street, perched atop what might be the strongest market for hotels the city has ever seen.

The occupancy rate for hotel rooms is expected to hit a record 87 percent for 2005, as compared to an overall average of 74 percent over the last 38 years. Rates for summer 2005 surpassed summer 2004 by almost 25 percent.

And while the average price for a hotel room in the city hovers around $280 per night, Christmas vacation numbers last month were off the charts, with budget rooms reportedly pushing $370 a night.

Why this bonanza for the hotel industry in New York City?

First, tourism is way up. A record 41 million people visited New York in 2005, according to the city's tourism board, due to the strength of the Euro against the dollar, high gas prices and increased business travel.

Secondly, the wild appreciation in residential real estate values in the past several years has spurred the conversion of a large number of hotels into condos.

"About 3,000 or 4,000 keys have been converted into condominiums - roughly 5 to 8 percent of New York's hotel supply." says Chatwal. "That certainly does help the hotel business."

According to Mark Gordon, managing director and head of the International Lodging and Leisure Group at Sonnenblick-Goldman, "The decrease in room supply combined with a rapidly improving economy has resulted in the ability for hotel owners to dramatically increase pricing."

Gordon sees signs of a possible end to the conversion craze. "The hotel market has become so strong here in the city that going from a hotel to residential has become less favorable," he says.

Chatwal is all too aware of the volatility of the hotel market. His collection of boutique hotels operates under the umbrella of the $750 million international Hampshire Hotels and Resorts empire, begun in 1987 by his father Sant Chatwal with the conversion of the Tudor Hotel in Manhattan.

"Everything is cyclical," says Vikram Chatwal. "It has ups and downs, and now we're on an up. I think when you have good brand recognition and aren't too highly leveraged you will be able to weather the storms."

Essential to good leverage is location. The high-concept Night, between Sixth Avenue and Broadway, might have been a perfect fit for downtown markets such as Tribeca or the Meatpacking District, "but I just couldn't find the right place there," says Chatwal. In less expensive Times Square, he says, "the numbers made sense. We're in at decent basis, so even if the market swings, we can take a large price cut."

Besides, he figures, good design is viable anywhere in the city. "It could be the Upper East Side or down in Greenwich Village," he says. "In Manhattan, there's style everywhere." That seems to work at Dream, at 210 West 55th Street, which is constantly packed. It was designed by architect Mark Zeff, who also designed Night, and contains Serafina, a restaurant designed by the Rockwell Group.

Containing 72 guest rooms, priced from $275 to $525 per night, with two penthouse suites going for $1,500 to $2,500 per night, Night is aimed at an upscale clientele "that is extremely design conscious and service conscious," says Chatwal. "They like something new and stimulating. Because there are so many products out there, they look for the best value for their money."

The key word for perceived value in a high concept hotel today, as with the newest designer condominiums, is "branding." Night is replete with details large and small that refer to its distinctive chic nocturnal theme.

"We're painting the building black," says designer Zeff, "and on the front we'll suspend a mirrored billboard the height of the building and 14 feet wide, like a sheet of glass with a huge gothic-style 'N.'"

A dark bronze/black metal entrance canopy with steel-like rivets hangs over the tall, black glossy front door. "Big boxes with trees and outdoor draperies provide a feeling of comfort immediately as you get out of the cab," he adds.

The hotel, says Zeff, "has a nighttime gothic feeling - a naughty place to go - and the branding is full of that." At the same time, he adds, "it's a little bit like an old manor house in the middle of the city - a cloister, a sanctuary." The dark, atmospheric interiors were intended to provide a backdrop "for the people who would colonize the building and bring it to life."

Night compensates for its modest size with custom detailing and lighting effects. "The interiors are minute," says Zeff, "but for me small can be big. Making it dark and atmospheric gives it a sense of space. If you have a shadowy space you don't know where things begin and where they end."

The rooms are small, containing little other than a custom-designed bed, which, says Zeff, "looks like a cross between a 17th-century coach carriage and a sleigh bed."

There is also a chair made by Steelcase, the high-end office furniture company, and upholstered in Coach leather, that converts from an office chair into a chaise lounge. Bathrooms are black with white tile floors and offer robes - black, of course - and Molton Brown bath products.

Tech amenities include Wi-Fi broadband, satellite radio, flat-screen TVs, DVD players and custom-designed black and white iPods. The iPods are pre-programmed with music that can be purchased on CD at checkout.

Zeff figures the Night audience will consist of "people who are in the movie, music, ad campaign or design business. And it will appeal to women a lot; it has a sense of female sexiness."

With BMG headquarters right across the street, it's bound to attract music industry professionals.

But, says Chatwal, with his eye to the bottom line, "we don't discriminate. Our hotels don't have velvet ropes. We make sure everyone can be accepted. There's got to be something in it for everybody."

Next on the agenda for Chatwal is the conversion of the landmark 1904 Sanford White-designed Lamb's Club at 130 West 44th Street into a luxury hotel. He's owned the property for close to nine years and has just, he says, signed architect Thierry Despont to do the design.

Copyright © 2003-2005 The Real Deal.

May 21st, 2006, 11:25 PM
Has anyone stayed at Hotel 31? I was checking out that hotel and was just wondering if anyone knew anything about it. Its on 31st right by Park Ave. ANd is that an ok area?

May 21st, 2006, 11:41 PM

May 23rd, 2006, 08:43 PM
Hotel 31 is located at 120 East 31st Sreet between Park and Lexington Avenues.It is one of the budget Hotels in NYC. You should not expect first class accomidations but the area is fine and close to many midtown activities. The price should be very reasonable for NYC. You can also try a couple of others in the same neighborhood... Hotel 30 30 at 30 East 30th Street between Park and Madison avenues and Hotel Carlton at East 29th and Madison avenue... :)
Has anyone stayed at Hotel 31? I was checking out that hotel and was just wondering if anyone knew anything about it. Its on 31st right by Park Ave. ANd is that an ok area?

June 12th, 2006, 11:49 PM
Hi Emma,

I am a student too and I visited New York last summer. If you stay at any hotel in Manhattan, you will be just a skip to a subway. There are also maps of manhattan that fold out and are very helpful for about $5. Make sure to buy one cause it saved me a few times.

As for those hotels, I booked through www.travelocation.com (http://www.travelocation.com) and got the best price there...my hotel was about $15 a night cheaper than i found anywhere else, so over a week...you do the math :)!

I noticed that the save rate hotels were much cheaper than the rest so look for those for sure... www.travelocation.com/new_york.html (http://www.travelocation.com/new_york.html)

I recommend the Hilton Garden Inn cause that's where i stayed and in was right in the heart of the action for very reasonable price in Manhattan.


Good luck and have fun


June 18th, 2006, 08:48 PM
Millenium Hilton (they intentionally misspell their name) is cheap too. perhaps cause its downtown and across the street from ground zero. But i go there for anniversaries and its 199-220 for a king size bed on the upper floors (32-54) Fantastic views both times for civic center, bridges, brooklyn. total recommend

June 26th, 2006, 05:38 PM
Here's a webpage that lists dog-friendly hotels in the city:

June 27th, 2006, 02:12 PM

Me and my wife is planing to go to NY for our second time.
We really liked it the first time, but we felt that we missed a whole lot of things that we would like to do.

The first time (3yrs ago) we visit the town i july, and it was to hot to spend time in a city (we where at several beaches most of the time).

This time we wanna go in the begining of october...is that a good time?
And we want a quite nice (middleclass) hotel in upper west.
The reason is that i think(or belive any way) that the upper west is the least touristic place, and there maybe is some good, cheap breakfast joint there (last trip we spend a fourtune on breakfast like two idiots:o ).

those anyone have experiance from "on the ave hotel" and is the adress good(is it some dinners like in Seinfeld there? :) )

Regards from Stockholm

Ps. Sorry for the bad English:o

June 28th, 2006, 09:25 PM
On the Avenue is a bargain Hotel. It was recently renovated and it is located on W77th Street between Broadway and Amsterdam Avenues. Location is very good... I have not stayed there myself but taken a lot of people to it and not heard any complaints.. There is a lot of good eateries in the neighborhood..

Late September, early October is an excellent time to come to NYC..Not as busy with tourists and weather is more pleasant..

Enjoy your stay..

June 29th, 2006, 12:21 AM
those anyone have experiance from "on the ave hotel" and is the adress good
Very good area. Hotel good too.

Also consider Hotel Beacon. Even better, but perhaps a bit more money.

July 26th, 2006, 08:41 AM
What about the Bedford Hotel on E40th?
We can get some good deals on this hotel in the UK - but is it worth it?

August 5th, 2006, 03:40 PM
Hi I'm going to NY in December for the first time and are staying at the Edison Hotel on 47th street. Has anyone stayed there before? What is there to do within walking distance and how safe is the area at night? Thanks so much for any help. Pam

August 5th, 2006, 05:27 PM
The area is full of stuff to do in the daytime... for nightime you might want to either hang out in Times Square/Empire State Building/Rockefeller Center or some clubs/bars in Chelsea/East Village... and maybe for dinner, I recommend the Upper West Side/West Village. Ofcourse there is always 'restaurant row' between 8th and 9th on 46th street. But you can really find a restaurant pretty much anywhere. The area is relative safe.

August 6th, 2006, 09:46 AM
Thanks for the information you have been very helpful! Pam

August 6th, 2006, 10:24 AM
I have stayed there a couple of times & have no complaints. One of the old, formerly grand, hotel. A little shabby but clean. Gorgeous lobby. Have breakfast at their cafe & admire the original moldings. It must have been lovely when it first opened. You're right in Times Square so there are tons of things to do & see. Very safe. It's a beautiful time to go there. Department store windows, the Rock..... Need any suggestions?

September 5th, 2006, 11:47 PM
What about the Bedford Hotel on E40th?
We can get some good deals on this hotel in the UK - but is it worth it?

The location is good, hotel is decent.. If it is a good deal that you're getting, just take it...Hotels are for a clean sheet and a decent bed to get a night's sleep, that's all.. Right???

September 9th, 2006, 11:32 AM
The location is good, hotel is decent.. If it is a good deal that you're getting, just take it...Hotels are for a clean sheet and a decent bed to get a night's sleep, that's all.. Right???

Yes, you are right.
I would sleep on someone's floor if it was a New York floor!

October 21st, 2006, 03:28 PM
...a lot of people come to NYC for the first time and expect the hotels to be like standardized chains in other areas of the country. Things tend to be a lot smaller and shabbier here, in my experience. You should see the small-town jaws drop upon entering the Chelsea Hotel, and it's not because they're impressed with the history.
This is true, and it's an opportunity to try something a little different...


“I don’t intend to hang around in my hotel during my visit, so it only matters that the price is right.”

Right…? Maybe not.

Many folks’ first solo travel digs are youth hostels. These provide army barracks camaraderie, potential romantic adventure, a pool of like-minded adolescents, and you have to keep a sharp eye on your valuables. In the morning, they kick you out on the street, not to return till evening.

Hotel rooms aren’t like that. No matter how much time you intend to spend out on the town, you linger eight to eleven hours in that hotel room: sleeping, showering, unwinding, planning your day, surfing the net, catching the news, making phone calls. Your hotel can make every one of these activities a pleasure or a chore.

Additionally, at least one unforeseen circumstance will keep you in your room on nearly every visit –whether it’s that blister from unaccustomed walking or that sudden stomach virus or “I just had to take a break from all that frantic sightseeing.” Or: “Couldn’t drag myself out of bed this morning. Oh well, there goes the day…” Or even: “Today, let’s just make love.”

There’s yet another factor: your hotel room can tell you where you are. Or at least that you’re not still home. If you think most New York or Boston hotel rooms are different from the ones by the Interstate in Raleigh, you’re absolutely right.

You can find hotels in New York that resemble the ones in Raleigh and Memphis and Lubbock and everywhere else in homogenized America, but at a much higher price…and heck, you can stay at those when you travel to Augusta, which has NOTHING BUT such market-researched establishments.

You can bid for a room on Priceline, and you can likely get a Memphis room at an actual Memphis price –meaning a bargain by New York standards. Myself, I’d rather have a New York-style bargain room at that price –even if it means sacrificing some mainstream frills.

A prosperous business associate in my suburban paradise takes two vacations a year. These tend to sandy places like Cancun, Hawaii, Acapulco or St. John, but despite years of my urging neither he nor his wife had ever set foot in New York. Finally with much trepidation and armed with Lion King tickets, he caved; he would celebrate his fortieth birthday in New York.

He ignored most of my advice and booked a flight into JFK. Consulting a map, he found that the distance from JFK to Times Square was actually less than his daily sunbelt commute. Being a child of the Seventies, he knew that walking New York streets (especially with a woman) requires frequent backward glances, and New York elevators are often packed with rapists. Finally, Manhattan hotels harbor rude clerks, Babylonian activities and settlements of cockroaches (if not also rats). He also knew the city’s dodgy restaurants practice dubious hygiene.

After further research, he booked a familiar chain hotel near the airport, rented a car, and drove daily into New York for four days. He saw Lion King and ate at Planet Hollywood. On his return he declared that he had found New York expensive and boring –which I don’t doubt.

You could regard the physical transfer of his body to New York as a mere technicality; he had never really left home.

Some place-specific New York lodgings occupy townhouses in dense urban neighborhoods, some have been around since the dawn of time, and some reflect the cultural predilections of an eccentric innkeeper rather than the data of corporate market surveys.

Now minuscule rooms, windows on airshafts or roaches in the bathroom may also tell you you’re in New York, but that’s not the way you want to get the message.

So yes, it does make a difference where you stay. And you can stay in an expensive city like New York in a budget establishment that actually enhances the experience of travel –that is, a place that is an attraction itself.

But times change. Time was, you could sojourn at a then-affordable Gramercy and get a key to the exclusive park. Time was, you could afford to stay at the terminally funky Hotel Chelsea –today still funky and just as run-down as but no longer affordable. Some hotels start out as great finds but then raise their prices as soon as word gets around (Comfort Inn Midtown).

Sam Chang is building a whole raft of clean, new moderately-priced hotels branded as familiar chains in mostly uninteresting Manhattan venues. These will remind you of vertical versions of the places you know from beside the Interstate in your home town. I wouldn’t recommend them for a stay in New York.

Finding affordable gems takes a little research. Guidebooks, the Internet and word-of-mouth all help. Checking Tripadvisor is sine qua non –but with a caveat: you have to watch for glowing reviews that are plants.

Some criteria:

Location is important not just because you inevitably spend some time in your hotel’s immediate vicinity but also because it helps you feel secure and at home --or it can make you dread your nightly return. Equally important is access to restaurants, coffee shops, groceries, and most of all, the subway.

Ambiance extends beyond décor to historic associations or a talkative owner or a camaraderie among guests. This is especially prevalent in bed-and-breakfasts, which also tend to cluster in less touristed neighborhoods. You need to not mind climbing stairs.

Upkeep: cleanliness is essential; you want all traces of previous occupants expunged: hair, gum wrappers, cigarette smoke, condoms. You also want freedom from vermin, including roaches, mice and recently-proliferating bedbugs. The furniture’s condition should be scuffed and worn only if it’s a genuine antique.

Features: these are nice to have, but you can’t be too fussy about these if you’re on a budget. You’ll rarely find a coffee maker, a safe, room service, or maybe even a hair dryer –though you can ask the innkeeper for help with some of these. I hope you’ll also discover how inessential these are to a satisfying experience. And to compensate, some bed-and-breakfasts may provide you with a glass of sherry and a pleasant chat.

Using these criteria, the following are establishments I can recommend:

Hotel Beacon. This used to be a well-kept secret, but as word trickled out, rates crept upward. So it’s less budget than moderate, but it has so much going for it you might still think of it as a bargain.

You could start by knocking a bundle out of your food bill by shopping at the Fairway across the street and using the fridge and kitchenette you’ll find in a Beacon room; you can cut out some restaurant meals this way. Ask for a room on a high floor or facing Broadway; the top floor room in the point is the best; it has panoramic views in three directions.

The neighborhood is Beacon’s other big asset. Lively street life, plenty of restaurants, both utilitarian and ritzy shops, hairdressers. You’ll be living in a New Yorkers’ New York, though at times it’ll feel like Paris.

The subway is right there: one express stop to Times Square, a short spurt to Columbia –and Lincoln Center, the Museum of Natural History, elegant brownstones and Central Park are all walking distance.

The Excelsior. Another former secret find, now discovered and therefore moderate, not budget. If there are more than two of you, the multi-room suites here make this hotel a good buy. Rent a suite instead of two rooms.

Directly across from the Museum of Natural History on truly Parisian 81st Street, there’s a decent coffee shop/diner downstairs and the subway on the corner of ritzy Central Park West.

Truly at your doorstep, walk across the Park to the Metropolitan Museum, Fifth and Madison Avenues and the East Side. You’ll certainly know you’re in New York; though the rooms are very nice, they’re not corporate standard issue.

A step down in both price and quality is the Washington Square Hotel, which I guess qualifies as a European style boutique hotel. Very individualistically decorated, the public rooms feature Klimtian ceramic mosaics and the guest rooms have movie stars and trim modern furniture. Caveat: be sure you ask for a renovated room; the old ones are tired and a touch depressing.

Downstairs you’ll find a great breakfast and coffee shop, and you won’t believe how narrow some of the corridors get.

At your doorstep: Washington Square, one of New York’s best, Greenwich Village and SoHo. The subway is two blocks away.

Though the rack rate is fairly high, the Park Central is much discounted by Internet travel services, so you can sometimes get a really great deal. It’s big and a bit impersonal, but it’s a renovated old-timey mid-range grand hotel such as used to dominate old Gotham, which means it’s not really corporate standard, although it tries hard to be. And unlike its sibling, the Pennsylvania, this one’s in really good shape. It has a vast low-ceilinged lobby with plenty of little shops and snack bars, and the subway is literally in its basement, while the throngs of Times Square swarm immediately outside.

The best deal for last: The Tribeca Cosmopolitan was built as a hotel in Civil War times, and has never been anything but a hotel. These days only the exterior betrays its age; inside it’s all clean, new surfaces.

Cosmo’s present low prices are inexplicable and will almost certainly vanish. A cleaner, better-located place you can’t find at its price. Starbucks, deli and subway right downstairs, near great restaurants, the World Trade Center, Chinatown, Tribeca.

Rooms are tastefully furnished without luxuries and the staff is courteous. If they give you a room on the airshaft, just ask pleasantly for a room that faces Chambers Street or West Broadway; the views are great and the streets aren’t particularly noisy.

This hotel is clean, clean, clean. The Russian maids polish your room to shiny perfection. When they’re through they look for ways to make it even cleaner. If you can get a room here, you might want to forget the others.

All the above are multi-story hotels with elevators. Here are three bed-and-breakfasts in converted town houses. They’re all very pleasant, clean and homey and can cost barely over $100 a night. But you have to like climbing stairs and be willing to share a bathroom:

Second Home on Second Avenue. The Peruvian owner couldn’t be pleasanter or more helpful. Every room is different and laden with character. Some rooms have private baths, some are suites (great if there are four of you), one floor features shared bath, but if you rent both rooms, you’re sharing it with your buddies or family. There’s even a really tiny room for one –like a monk’s cell. Prices are low by New York standards and vary by size of room and whether the bath is shared or private. Informative website with floor plans.

Location can’t be beat: on Second Avenue, just down from bustling and newly beautiful Union Square with it farmer’s market, its Trader Joe’s supermarket, its political demonstrations and its flaneurs. Also here you’ll find Manhattan’s densest confluence of subway lines less than two blocks from your front door. Lots of Starbucks and budget eateries, of which the most iconic is Veselka, a diner with a huge menu of Ukrainian and American comfort food and breakfast all day.

You’re in the East Village. Check out St. Mark’s place, still reeking of patchouli, where you can pick up a Che Guevara poster, a scented candle, or paraphernalia. Follow it to leafy Tompkins Square in one direction to find all those undiscovered and cheap ethnic holes in the wall with enthusiastic food, including a whole street of curry. Or head west to nearby Astor Place, Cooper Union, Broadway or Greenwich Village.

East Village Bed and Coffee. Rooms laden with character in Alphabet City. Friendly owner, very low prices, shared baths, communal atmosphere in hipster heaven.
One block from Tompkins Square. Subway is a ten minute hike, though there’s a bus stop right in front. Highly recommended for a real taste of New York life in fairly bohemian surroundings.

Abingdon Guest House. At the high end of bed and breakfasts in both quality and price, this fastidiously decorated pair of town houses is ideally located near Abingdon Square in the West Village, as charming a location as you’ll find, http://www.wirednewyork.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5083&highlight=jacobs, and not too far from the subway. Book here months in advance.

Try staying in a different neighborhood each time you visit New York. It sure beats staying in the tourist areas. You can live in a real neighborhood, enjoy a little adventure and save some money all at the same time.

October 26th, 2006, 01:30 PM
On my last visit had to stay in The Park Hotel W77st. Apparently Bush & Blair were in town and there was a major UN sitting taking place so hotel vacancies were scarce.

Great hotel, just a walk down the street to Central Park. The bar was tiny, more a cocktail bar than anything else. Rooms were great and luckily we got off the web at a half-decent rate, usually its quite expensive.

Going more mid-town next time we visit.

The worst hotel I've stayed in is the Pennsylvannia opposite Madison Gardens. The "con" is they have old shabby rooms and for those "in the know" newly refurbished rooms - the former are crap holes, the latter ok. But 9 times out of 10 they put unsuspecting guests into the old rooms!

November 4th, 2006, 08:12 PM
im stayin in the courtyard marriot in midtown! it kicks butt!! im pretti close 2 times square i luv it there NYC 4 LIFE LOL

November 5th, 2006, 03:10 PM
does anyone know what the Hilton Gardens is like and what it is close to?

November 9th, 2006, 03:44 PM
does anyone know what the Hilton Gardens is like and what it is close to?

It's very close to Times Square - so pretty central.

It would appear that there are also "Hilton Garden" Hotels in Staten Island, Queens, Ithaca and ALbany (all New York) - make sure you get the right one!:)

December 22nd, 2006, 04:04 PM
has anyone stayed at Park Central ?

I am booking a vacation and was considering this hotel as an option :rolleyes:

December 29th, 2006, 07:29 AM
has anyone stayed at Park Central ?
Description in post 23. Name is boldfaced.

December 31st, 2006, 09:22 AM
The Excelsior. Another former secret find, now discovered and therefore moderate, not budget. If there are more than two of you, the multi-room suites here make this hotel a good buy. Rent a suite instead of two rooms.

Are there any Midtown hotels that can offer 'multi-room' suites?
This would certainly suit the party of eight that I will be traveling with in '07.

December 31st, 2006, 09:40 AM
Are there any Midtown hotels that can offer 'multi-room' suites?

December 31st, 2006, 09:59 AM


February 27th, 2007, 06:59 PM
We are coming to NY in two weeks times. I cant decide whether to stay in East Village or Midtown East??
Can you help?!
We will be here for 4 days and will be doing the usual touristy things.


February 27th, 2007, 08:57 PM
Midtown is more central, less funky.

March 1st, 2007, 07:04 AM
Hi im hoping you can help me with some info about the Best Western Newark Airport West Hotel. My daughter & myself are coming over in November & this is one of the hotels we have been looking at. We are interested in its location, is it a safe area, easy to get to from New York JFK Airport & what are the local facilities like etc. Thank you for your time, any help will be gratefully recieved. :)

March 1st, 2007, 07:36 AM
Hi im hoping you can help me with some info about the Best Western Newark Airport West Hotel. My daughter & myself are coming over in November & this is one of the hotels we have been looking at. We are interested in its location, is it a safe area, easy to get to from New York JFK Airport & what are the local facilities like etc. Thank you for your time, any help will be gratefully recieved. :)
You'll be way out at an airport, with everything that implies.

Local facilities: vending machines in your hotel, shops in the airport building via the hotel shuttlebus.

Surely you don't intend this location as a home base for a visit to New York?

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March 1st, 2007, 08:58 AM
Hi im hoping you can help me with some info about the Best Western Newark Airport West Hotel. My daughter & myself are coming over in November & this is one of the hotels we have been looking at. We are interested in its location, is it a safe area, easy to get to from New York JFK Airport & what are the local facilities like etc. Thank you for your time, any help will be gratefully recieved. :)

I'd recommend the Milford Plaza (http://milfordplaza.com/index.html). It is located just a block off Times Square and is fairly easy to reach from JFK via the LIRR/subway or taxi/limo.

March 2nd, 2007, 02:17 AM
You'll be way out at an airport, with everything that implies.

Local facilities: vending machines in your hotel, shops in the airport building via the hotel shuttlebus.

Surely you don't intend this location as a home base for a visit to New York?

That was out intention, we have never been to The United States before & are not sure of distances, transport options, facilities, etc. As long as its clean, in a safe area, & has easy access to New York, its fine by us. We ars also on a limted budget & this worked out fairly reasonable for bed & breakfast with flights included. Thanks for the reply, maybe we will have to reconsider & try & find an alternative package from England :)

March 2nd, 2007, 05:39 AM
Ask for a room that looks out onto the street.

Or you might try a McSam: same type of bland, standardized room as at the airport, but in Manhattan. The cost advantage of the airport hotel will be vitiated by the cost of travel to and from the city ($50+ by cab, one way).

March 9th, 2007, 06:48 AM
Very good area. Hotel good too.

Also consider Hotel Beacon. Even better, but perhaps a bit more money.

Theres a few reviews of hotel beacon on this page if it helps. http://www.travelsupermarket.com/travelmerge/travelsearch.aspx?package=5

March 9th, 2007, 01:56 PM
The distances and time of travel are much greater than you are imagining. I would feel terrible knowing you were way out there.
It would drastically alter the nature of your experience.
There certainly are budget priced accomodations in Manhattan, so have a look. When you arrive and see how the whole city is set up(and how huge it is) you will certainly be glad to have stayed in Manhattan, here within the "hive".
Manhattan is generally very safe, so don't worry so much about that.

March 9th, 2007, 02:55 PM
^ What he said !

March 9th, 2007, 02:58 PM
I'll second MG's advice and add that if you absolutely must stay somewhere in New Jersey, please try for something in Jersey City or Hoboken or some other city on the western shore of the Hudson River. Those are readily-accessible by train or ferry from Manhattan. Newark-Liberty Airport is definitely NOT.

March 15th, 2007, 05:31 AM
Thank you all so much for your advice, we are now looking in the right places, such as the upper west side & mid town. We also wont be booking just yet, as rumour has it fares to the US are set to plummet due to a price war between airlines, which means more spending money on arrival WOOHOO !!!!!! LOL. Thanks again, roll on november, i cant wait xx :p xx

March 20th, 2007, 03:18 PM
Nite Nurse places on the Upper West side include small cheap but very nice hotels such as the Bellclaire Hotel,Im not sure of other names but the Bellclaire is a great place

March 28th, 2007, 09:34 PM
I'll be staying here for a couple of nights in mid April and was wondering if I made a good choice. I've been reading both good and bad, but picked it mainly for it's location. We plan on spending the first day in lower Manhattan (WTC, Statue of Liberty etc)

To late for me to change plans, so hopefully you can tell me some good things about my choice of hotels :) (Spent about $640 for air and hotel for 2, from Pgh PA)

Is this within walking distance of MSG Theatre? (Norah Jones concert 4/18)

April 5th, 2007, 04:57 AM
Nite Nurse,

I stayed at the Beacon for 4 days in 2005 and really enjoyed my stay there.
So much, that I am staying there again in June this year.
The Hotel is not flashy, ie. the reception area is quite plain and not very big, but the people were great and very helpful, and the rooms are a decent size and very clean. I understand the elevators have been recently upgraded and there is work going on to the outside of the building but this should be completed by June 2007. The hotel is in a great spot on Broadway at W75th street. A short walk to the subway at Verdi Square. Central Park and Riverside Park are also near. The small kitchen in the hotel room, means you can make some meals and save some money. Shopping for food is great. Across the street at Fairway, or walk 6 blocks north to Zabars and H & H Bagels. I would recommend the this area of Manhattan. If you want the bustle of midtown it is just a short subway ride away. I am really looking forward to my second visit. Sitting in the sun in Verdi Square with Hot Dogs and a Smoothy from Grays Papaya, just watching the world go by. Can't wait.

April 5th, 2007, 08:06 AM
^ Right on the money, brianac!

April 13th, 2007, 12:20 PM
What a difference in the weather.
April 2005.

April 29th, 2007, 11:27 AM
Hi there,

I'm going to be in New York this june. Five years ago I stayed at the Washington Square Hotel for about $ 120. They seem to have upgraded the hotel which now costs about $ 200 or more.

I'm looking for something nice and little for about $ 100 a night or maybe $140 in midtown or the village. Any hint or the best way to look for a good hotel?



May 11th, 2007, 09:59 PM
Hello all:

I'm looking for a hotel for a new york visit Sept 9th through Sept 30th, 2007. We rented an apartment last time and will probably do the same this time, but we need a hotel reservation as a backup. I want it to be someplace I'm willing to stay if we don't find anything else.

I'm looking for a Midtown location, 1br suite with kitchenette for around $400/day or less (including tax). Surprisingly, I have quite a few choices at this level. Right now, I'm looking at the following hotels (I haven't yet confirmed that all have kitchenettes):

o Flatotel (by far the biggest suites at 1,100 sq ft)
o Hotel Benjamin (5 stars)
o Fitzpatrick
o Kimberly
o Radisson Lexington (great location-near where we stayed last year)
o Roger Smith
o Helmsley Middletowne (great location)
o Envoy Club
o Bedford
o Affinia Manhattan
o Beekman tower

The Woogo encore has 2br suites in our price range, but when I checked out tripadvisor ratings last year, the woogo properties generally got blasted. Any input on the encore or other woogo properties would be helpful.

I'm interested in several types of feedback. First of all any first hand knowledge of any of the above hotels will be greatly appreciated. Second, any input re which rating services (tripadvisor, yahoo, etc) are the best would be very helpful. Finally I have gotten my hotel rates from orbitz, priceline, simply-newyork.com, and hotelclub.net. If anyone knows about other sites that offer better discounts, please let me know.

Thanks in advance for your help.

Mike cupertino

May 28th, 2007, 08:04 PM
Can anyone comment on the Country Inn in the City? I am coming to the city for Thanksgiving week and really want to stay somewhere that doesn't feel like a hotel, but rather an apt in the city. Looks like this place would fit the bill - anyone have any experience w/this place... would love to hear.

May 31st, 2007, 09:36 AM

Have not stayed there but photo's look OK on their website.
Suggest you read customer reviews on Trip Advisor site.

If you can't get in there, or change your mind you could try The Beacon just round the corner from The Country Inn, on Broadway.

See my posting above, 5th. April 2007, regarding The Beacon.

Good Luck.

July 7th, 2007, 03:19 PM
Hey guys, anyone ever stayed or heard of the Best Western Convention Centre. 522 West 38th Street its on.

Im on a bit of a budget but would like to come over during September.

Any help appreciated

July 9th, 2007, 11:54 PM
It is on W38th between 10th &11th Avenues. Probably the most undeveloped neighborhood in Manhattan. I don't know their prices but if your research tells you it is worth it, go for it. The only time you will see people walking by is convention times. As far as safety, you'll be OK...Just take a cab if it is late at night, otherwise you shouldn't worry about walking to it...

July 18th, 2007, 06:35 PM
Hi I come from Italy, I need info about a hotel near TimesSquare (22/12/07-29/12/07).

July 18th, 2007, 08:27 PM
For "lower" priced hotels, try ...

Hotel St. James (http://www.tripadvisor.com/Hotel_Review-g60763-d290978-Reviews-Hotel_St_James-New_York_City_New_York.html) W. 45th Street (Broadway < > 6th Avenue)

Best Western President Hotel (http://www.tripadvisor.com/Hotel_Review-g60763-d75711-Reviews-Best_Western_President_Hotel-New_York_City_New_York.html) W. 48th Street (8th Avenue < > Broadway)

Milford Plaza Hotel (http://new.york.hotelguide.net/data/h100108.htm) W. 45th Street (8th Avenue < > Broadway)

List of Midtown Manhattan Hotels (http://new.york.hotelguide.net/hl1mi.htm)

July 19th, 2007, 03:05 AM

Thanks I like the first of the list

July 19th, 2007, 06:28 AM
A Ranking of Seven Hotels for Under $200 a Night. In New York

Or so nearby it doesn’t matter

By Stephen Milioti

In many cities besides New York, $200 gets you a nice room at a good hotel, with shampoo, a shower cap, and maybe even an in-room coffeepot. In New York, not so much. But with some digging and some deals, it is possible to find a clean room, a soft mattress, free Internet, and fresh-baked cookies for under two Franklins. I tested seven hotels, staying on weekends and booking rooms online to take advantage of deals. Prices can vary widely (especially in the fall and spring high seasons) and often go up during the week.

1. Hyatt Regency Jersey City on the Hudson
2 Exchange Pl., Jersey City, N.J.; 201-469-1234
PRICE: $199


The best $200 hotel in New York is in New Jersey—a one-stop, four-minute PATH ride or short Water Taxi ride from lower Manhattan. My room has water and city views (not all do, but my ultranice front-desk agent upgraded me because there was available space). The room is 400 feet, with low-key and sophisticated touches: a granite bathroom sink; a rather masculine taupe, brown, and gray color scheme; a good-size desk for working; and very upscale bedding—plus a spectacular view of the Woolworth Building.

2. Courtyard by Marriott Times Square South
114 W. 40th St., nr. Sixth Ave. 212-391-0088
PRICE: $199


The best bed of the bunch. Marriott runs the Ritz-Carlton chain; its recent redo of the beds in its lower-price, business-oriented Courtyard line (pictured) has resulted in Ritz-like fluffy pillows, pristine feather duvets, and supremely comfortable mattresses. The amenities are very good: a nice-size desk, easy free Internet connection, iPod docking, and free coffee in the lobby. For long-term stays, there’s a washer-and-dryer room and exercise facilities on the lower level.

3. Best Western Seaport Inn
33 Peck Slip, nr. Front St. 212-766-6600
PRICE: $199


Is this really a Best Western? Housed in a seven-story Federal-style building, the place has a genteel, historic quality. The front-desk staff is friendly and unhurried, and there are free freshly baked cookies. What keeps it from a top ranking here is the actual room—better than expected and generally clean and neat, but even by the standards of inexpensive-hotel décor, it’s drab, with zero recognition of the neighborhood’s rich maritime history. The beds are good but not great. But some rooms have Brooklyn Bridge views, and Jack’s Coffee is up the block (222 Front St.).

4. On the Ave
2178 Broadway, at 77th St.; 212-362-1100
PRICE: $199


It looks like W Lite, with a sparsely chic lobby and self-conscious touches like backlit black-and-white photos of New York in the elevator. The rooms have a similar aesthetic, but they’re well apportioned; mine is a good size, with a clearly delineated seating area, a wing chair, and a separate area for a desk. The bathroom, however, is tiny. The front-desk staff lacks the professionalism of bigger chains (“I’m about to go on my break, so she will gladly help you!,” an attendant told me, pointing to her colleague). But at least you’re not in midtown.

5. Hampton Inn Times Square North
851 Eighth Ave., at 51st St. 212-581-4100
PRICE: $199

Formerly a down-and-out Howard Johnson’s, this hotel has a cheery, contemporary lobby and freshly refurbished rooms with a happy look: curving headboards, wide-striped window treatments, and black-and-white cityscape paintings. There’s free coffee and cookies in the lobby. The drawbacks: painfully slow elevators, and the Continental-breakfast area is always packed. Here, you’re always aware of the presence of many, many other people—including large numbers of children and huge clusters of fanny-pack-wearing tourists. And you’ll hear traffic noise if you’re facing busy Eighth Avenue.

6. Hotel 17
225 E. 17th St., nr. Third Ave.; 212-475-2845
PRICE: $175


The setting for Woody Allen’s 1993 Manhattan Murder Mystery, this is one of the most love-it-or-hate-it of the bunch. The lobby is teeny, and the rooms, all decorated differently, are in a time warp. Mine has shiny prints, slight wallpaper peels, and dark wood furnishings that are very Addams Family. The bedding is reasonably clean but flimsy, with a thin comforter. There are both shared and private bathrooms, and basically no services, but given the hotel’s shockingly low $100 standard-room rate in low season, ordering in from Joe Jr.’s on Third Avenue isn’t such a hassle.

7. The Pod Hotel
230 E. 51st St., nr. Second Ave.; 212-355-0300
PRICE: $179


Earlier this year, this hotel, formerly the cheap, chintzy Pickwick Arms, became the cheap, cool Pod. Rates start at $99, and just over half the rooms have private baths. The aesthetic is standard spare modern: light wood and red comforters with geometric prints. My room, measuring about twelve feet by eight feet, has a bed connected to two side tables, a tiny work desk, small closet nook, and flat-screen TV. There’s a new-paint-over-old feeling, though; the elevators are rickety, the walls are thin, and the mattresses are hard. The hallway smelled like poo for the duration of my one-night stay. For $179, the room-with-bath isn’t a great value; a shared-bath room rate for $125 or less is a decent choice.

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July 19th, 2007, 06:38 AM
^ "The hallway smelled like poo for the duration of my one-night stay."

now, repeat that sentence replacing "poo" with the word it represents.

Would you stay there?

July 23rd, 2007, 05:59 PM
how is Radisson Martinique on Broadway?Thanks

July 29th, 2007, 10:37 PM
Tudor Hotel on East 42nd Street is having weekend specials for $19 until September/07 to promote the new name...I am the doormen's liar..:p.. Check it out everybody, if it is true, it is a biggest bargain in NYC, until it ends anyway..:)

August 2nd, 2007, 06:21 PM
Tudor Hotel on East 42nd Street is having weekend specials for $19 until September/07 to promote the new name...I am the doormen's liar..:p.. Check it out everybody, if it is true, it is a biggest bargain in NYC, until it ends anyway..:)

Do you have a link? Because their website doesn't show this "discount".

August 3rd, 2007, 02:34 PM
I visit NYC a lot.
Back when I was employed,I'd stay anywhere I wanted to when I was on a business trip since the Boss picked up the tab--(ie the Marriot Marquis,a Hilton or two) and I've had rooms in every borough except the Bronx.

When I am paying,I want the nicest place I can find for as cheap as I can get it,and I have found a few winners--and losers.I usually try to stay in a different part of Manhattan each time I visit,but a few favorites have emerged.

Here's a short list of some of the places I've stayed.
Among the better ones;:

Hotel Belleclaire.Perfect location--The Upper West Side,Broadway at 77th.
Inexpensive (at least for the shared-bath rooms),clean,comfy,historic.(It was designed by Emery Roth about a hundred years ago.He did a lot of Manhattan's grand apartment houses as well).
Just stayed there in July,and I'll be back again soon.It was my fourth stay.My room was $119/night,up $20 bucks from 2005.

Beacon Hotel.Same location as the Belleclaire.Same description,really,except for the Emery Roth part.There's a great little neighborhood bar streetside.I think the name is "Bar".Haven't stayed there since I discovered Belleclaire.

Pickwick Arms (now POD).Teeny shared-bath rooms,great Midtown/UN location,nice rates.If you turn around too quickly in the miniature lobby,you bump into yourself.There is a rooftop lounge area to die for.A hotel for small people and UN delegates from poor countries.

Hotel Wales--Madison Av at 92 St.A little pricier than the above,but nicely located on the Upper East Side.The room I had was a suite,replete with fresh flowers daily.Toss in a generous continental breakfast served in a tea room with a cellist,and the $175/night price (in 2004) was a deal.A few minutes from Central Park,museums,restaurants,etc.

Washington Square Hotel--Just off the Sq on Waverly.Small,clean rooms at cheap rates in a hotel starved area.When I was seventeen,I ran away from home and stayed there a couple months until my money ran out.Then,it was called the Hotel Earle.At the same time I was staying there,The Rolling Stones were too.They were on their first American tour and had never been to New York.I met them--all of them--in the little bar off the modest lobby.We all got drunk together.Mick's a blast when he's plastered.
When I stayed there in 2000,I could swear I got my old room.
Dylan lived there.too,but I never met him.

Holiday Inn 57th St--yeah,I know.But it's relatively cheap ($169/night when I looked it up in June) and the Midtown location is perfect.The rooms are large and recently renovated,and the hustle of Midtown is just out the front door.Haven't stayed there in this Century,but it remains near the top of my list,mainly for it's location.

The Losers?

Well,I suppose the Pennsylvania is on the list.Despite one of the best locations in the City,it's grown both shabby and expensive in the past few years.I have stayed there probably a dozen times.I stayed there this year for a couple nights,out of nostalgia I suppose.I was saddened...

The New Yorker--NEVER again.The first room I got there was horrible.I asked to be moved to a better one--and I was given a WORSE one.A sick,front-desk joke,I think.That was like '99.I wonder if the Moonies still own it?

Cosmopolitan Hotel--the definition of fleabag.Well located (W Broadway,almost in The Village)--if you need to make sudden crack purchases or are doing participatory studies of muggings.Cheap,but it should be.The room I had was DAMP,as though it had been steam-cleaned a few hours earlier.

Then there's the Milford Plaza.The rooms are bathroom-size,the neighborhood (45th at 8th) is scary after dark.Times Square is close by.So is the Port Authority bus station and whatever remains of 8th Avenue's Porn Row.Perfect if you're a visiting pervert,or recovering from heroin addiction.

There are a few others,some whose names I've forgotten,but including them would only make this post longer.

August 4th, 2007, 09:39 AM
Belleclaire, Beacon, West Side: we like the same things.

Pickwick Arms (now POD).Teeny shared-bath rooms,great Midtown/UN location,nice rates.
But does it still have roaches?

Washington Square Hotel--Just off the Sq on Waverly.Small,clean rooms at cheap rates in a hotel starved area.
The renovated rooms are much nicer than the old ones.

Dylan lived there.too,but I never met him.
Bob or Thomas?

Cosmopolitan Hotel--the definition of fleabag.
This is old news, I suspect; you must have stayed there before the renovation. Now it would make your first list: impeccably clean and great value. But be sure you get a room looking out on Chambers or West Broadway.

August 4th, 2007, 12:07 PM
Dylan Thomas died 12 years before I knew how to rent rooms.One would think he would stay at the Hotel Wales when he visited New York,not some potential rockers hangout.

Bob Dylan may have been inspired to compose "Positively 4th Street" while living at the Hotel Earle.I may have caught him once at Gerdie's Folk City or The Limelight,both just a few hundred yards from Washington Square.

August 4th, 2007, 12:12 PM
Oh,yeah,the Cosmopolitan.You're right,I haven't been there since their renovation.As a matter of fact,I haven't been there since the early '70s,when I used to get my drugs there.

August 4th, 2007, 01:41 PM
Beacon Hotel.Same location as the Belleclaire.Same description,really,except for the Emery Roth part.There's a great little neighborhood bar streetside.I think the name is "Bar".Haven't stayed there since I discovered Belleclaire.


I think the bar is "Bear Bar West" , 2156 Broadway at W76th. St.

See photo's on my post 226 in the thread Bars and Clubs - NYC Nightlife.

August 5th, 2007, 09:52 AM
Yep,that's the place.
Unpretensious,inexpensive,Willie Nelson on the jukebox.
Plus,the ladies behind the bar are knockouts.

August 5th, 2007, 05:35 PM
any one know what the comfort in manhattan is like ?
is there shops near this hotel ??

August 11th, 2007, 03:59 PM
I decided to take my girlfriend to the city. She was in Manhattan once, many years ago and didn't get to see much. So many people I've met, went with others who were not adventurous, to say the least. Y'know, Midtown walking and back on the bus. I decided to give her a tour and just happen to be in town for the San Genarro Festival. Time is short and I found a few rooms at Carlton Arms, which I enjoy, but we would have to share a bathroom and that was out of the question.

I prefer to be in Manhattan, but we agreed to sleep in New Jersey. My "short-notice" calls to available hotels were too pricey.

A good deal if you don't mind a short bus ride is Plaza Motor Inn, Secaucus! I've used this motel at least ten times and have had absolutely no complaints. It is family owned. Parking is free. The rooms are clean and I have never seen any kind of infestation which is mostly par on the island. A plaza with food and drink and bus #190 to Manhattan is behind this motel. A sports bar, hockey rink, library and firehouse are across the street from the plaza. This area has the feel of a small town.

I usually have a nice breakfast in the plaza restaurant and take the bus, rested and fueled for the adventure! I just booked a room for only $69.00 a night! The bus is around $2.10 and you are at Port Authority in a few stops. (No paying to get into the city!)

I save at least $100 a night on the motel. Save on tunnel cost. Save on the Parking fiasco.

August 12th, 2007, 11:14 AM
I've recently been to the Plaza Motel in Secaucus.Friends who were working at Meadowlands--at the NJ Fair,during the 4th of July and the Live Earth concert--stayed there for a couple of weeks.
I agree that it's clean and cheap,and surprisingly convenient.Manhattan IS just a bus stop or two away--but it ain't The City.

When I do NY,I need to have the energy of the City right outside my door.That's why I don't mind paying a bit more for a room in New York.To step outside at 7AM or Midnight and be instantly immersed by the City is a quick wake-up call,just like diving into a cool,early morning swimming pool.
I need to see the bums emerge in the mornings from the shrubbery around million-dollar apartments,I need to see the ocean of yellow heading Downtown,need the rush of hot air from the Subways beneath to grit me up.

I don't mind the night-sounds,either.They constantly remind me that a million lives are doing a million things,right outside my building--and I itch to be a part of that,even at 1AM.
Secaucus hasn't got that,unfortunately.

To NOT have that available would be like going to the beach and not getting wet,or buying a new car and not driving it because you don't want to pile up mileage.It makes no sense.
You would be going to New Jersey,not New York.

August 12th, 2007, 02:35 PM
^ My thoughts exactly.

August 16th, 2007, 10:35 AM
I stayed in the bentley hotel very nice view on roosevelt island

August 27th, 2007, 03:07 AM
We, thats me and the wife are coming to NY fro the UK in October, we were thinking of hiring a private vacation apartment for 8 nights.
We have seen on that looks very nice, its on the 41st floor has some amazing views of the river etc, but we are unsure of the location and how safe it is.

The apartment is located on 350 W. 42nd St (corner of 9th Avenue)

Please could we hear you views.

Many thanks

August 27th, 2007, 06:28 AM
hi everyone, I am new to this forum, we have booked our flights and are visiting for a week in February, we are looking for a hotel at the moment, we are on a budget about $170 per night, does anybody know any good booking agents and do these tend to be cheaper than booking direct with the hotel

August 27th, 2007, 06:40 AM
We have seen on that looks very nice, its on the 41st floor has some amazing views of the river etc, but we are unsure of the location and how safe it is.

The apartment is located on 350 W. 42nd St (corner of 9th Avenue)

Please could we hear you views.

Many thanks
176 pages on this in Wired New York: http://wirednewyork.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5152

Location is safe and convenient to subway and Times Square. May encounter occasional panhandler near Port Authority bus terminal. Theatres and Restaurant Row nearby.

Good choice.

Btw, I'm curious: what are you paying for your apartment, and how big is it?

Enjoy your visit.


August 27th, 2007, 06:42 AM
what is a panhandler :confused:

August 27th, 2007, 06:46 AM
^ A person who asks you for money.

August 27th, 2007, 07:09 AM
^ A person who asks you for money.

a beggar, yes we have them in manchester city centre ;)

August 27th, 2007, 12:47 PM
has anybody stayed at the

Roger Smith Hotel

the Radison Lexington

Eastgate Tower

Milford Plaza

Or the Belvedere:)

these are the 5 hotels and I cannot decide which one

August 27th, 2007, 02:51 PM
Suggest you find the hotels on the attached link and read customer reviews


August 27th, 2007, 06:47 PM
176 pages on this in Wired New York: http://wirednewyork.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5152

Location is safe and convenient to subway and Times Square. May encounter occasional panhandler near Port Authority bus terminal. Theatres and Restaurant Row nearby.

Good choice.

Btw, I'm curious: what are you paying for your apartment, and how big is it?

Enjoy your visit.


We are staying for 9 nights in a one Bedroom apartment on the 41st Floor, the cost is $2300

When we compared this to various hotels we felt that we would be getting good value for money. We could have got a lot cheaper $1300 if we had gone to Queens but would have to travel in each day.

August 29th, 2007, 04:12 AM
Suggest you find the hotels on the attached link and read customer reviews


many thanks brianac, will do that ;)

August 29th, 2007, 08:03 AM
We are staying for 9 nights in a one Bedroom apartment on the 41st Floor, the cost is $2300
Where did you look to find this?

August 29th, 2007, 05:52 PM
Where did you look to find this?

Just like we found this great forum, we used goggle - vacation apartments in new york.........loads of site came up

October 11th, 2007, 06:04 PM
I booked my hotel room in december, through the hotel's website (Roosevelt Hotel). Any chance of overbooking? And if these happens, will the hotel provide me a room in another hotel?

October 29th, 2007, 04:43 PM

I seem to be struggling! can anyone help!!

We're two couples from England :) We've booked to celebrate our anniversary with some friends in New York this New Year. Its our second trip to New York and we couldnt think of a better place to go for our celebration this NYE.

BUT unfortunately we cant stop where we stopped before, as its too far up the Upper Westside to manage to wobble back on New Years Eve!

So we booked the Radisson Lexington, but a chance gander @ TripAdvisor's ratings tells us a rather different story to the Radisson website! I dont think Ive seen another hotel with such consistently bad reviews! Check it out!...theres some 'great' grotty pics!

Anyway...back to the struggling bit! lol We are on a bit of a budget! the flights cost so much we cant spend too much. But all the hotels that we can find that have vacancies are either really poor or out of budget!

So we are trying to find a TWO BEDROOM ROOM/SUITE in the Times Square area....that still has vacancies from the 31st Dec to jan 4th!? We ave a budget of around $2000 for the room/suite for the four nights!? Is it possible.....!! ;)

Ive tried all the obvious ones....anyone know of any gems we might have missed.....that might have vacancies....and thats in budget! :lol:

ANY help is VERY VERY much appreciated!!!

Mike & Trudi


October 29th, 2007, 05:52 PM
All these years we thought that The Milford Plaza (http://www.milfordplaza.com/) was covered in greyish-brown bricks ...


October 30th, 2007, 11:11 PM
Oh the pic is so nice.
I heard a lot about New york. I wish to be there one day.
That building in the pic so height.
In my country, VietNam dont have such that building.

October 31st, 2007, 09:41 AM
Welcome, thuylan .. Ssomeday I want to travel to your country.

Meanhwile here is an old TV ad for the Milford Plaza Hotel -- I hope you enjoy!

"Lullaby of Broadway (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwlvkUMsDgI)"

October 31st, 2007, 09:57 AM
And, or course, the Busby Berkeley (http://www.classicmoviefavorites.com/berkeley/) original From "Gold Diggers of 1935 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_Diggers_of_1935)" ...

Part One (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZws4r7IQPk) (the set up -- 1930s Social Realism ;))

Part Two (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gGVryQDvv4) (almost all singin' & dancin' :D )

November 3rd, 2007, 06:06 AM
Welcome, thuylan .. Ssomeday I want to travel to your country.

Meanhwile here is an old TV ad for the Milford Plaza Hotel -- I hope you enjoy!

"Lullaby of Broadway (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwlvkUMsDgI)"
Hi Lofter.
You really want to come to my country???
Welcome. I hope to see you at that time.
Can I talk to you???

November 3rd, 2007, 11:34 AM
Yes, thuylan, I very much want to see Viet Nam. I imagine the perfect way would be to arrive by sea from across the Pacific Ocean. And then spend about one month traveling north through the countryside and along the coast.

Feel free to talk to me and any of us here. Perhaps can start a newethread and post photos of where you live or other pictures of Viet Nam.

November 4th, 2007, 05:30 PM
WOW I stayed in the Milford Plaza in 02 on my first trip here, hotel is fine enough for the price and is a great location for a tourist. Cant believe how good it looks with that clean!!

November 4th, 2007, 09:43 PM
Yes, thuylan, I very much want to see Viet Nam. I imagine the perfect way would be to arrive by sea from across the Pacific Ocean. And then spend about one month traveling north through the countryside and along the coast.

Feel free to talk to me and any of us here. Perhaps can start a newethread and post photos of where you live or other pictures of Viet Nam.
Welcome you to come my country!!
I will post some photos of Vietnam scenery. I am sure You will like them .

November 7th, 2007, 03:50 AM
has anyone ever stayed at (or know someone who has) the Hotel Chandler in Midtown before ? If so any ideas what it's like ? Im due to stay there over xmas and jut wanted to know what to expect. it got a fairly good review on expedia and tripadvisor so im hoping it should be nice :cool:

November 7th, 2007, 09:21 AM
has anyone ever stayed at (or know someone who has) the Hotel Chandler in Midtown before ? If so any ideas what it's like ? Im due to stay there over xmas and jut wanted to know what to expect. it got a fairly good review on expedia and tripadvisor so im hoping it should be nice :cool:
It was recently renovated. I think it will be fine and should be cheaper than most..

January 20th, 2008, 05:36 AM
Square Feet | Checking In
A City That Needs More Places to Sleep

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2008/01/20/business/20sqft.xlarge1.jpg Suzanne DeChillo/The New York Times
About two dozen hotels are expected to open in Manhattan this year, including the Greenwich Hotel, left, and the Thompson LES, right.

By C. J. HUGHES (http://query.nytimes.com/search/query?ppds=bylL&v1=C. J. HUGHES&fdq=19960101&td=sysdate&sort=newest&ac=C. J. HUGHES&inline=nyt-per)

Published: January 20, 2008

NEW hotel developments could add nearly 3,000 rooms to the Manhattan (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/classifieds/realestate/locations/newyork/newyorkcity/manhattan/?inline=nyt-geo) market in 2008, a supply increase that might siphon travelers away from existing properties just as economists are forecasting an economic slowdown, or even a recession.
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2008/01/20/business/20sqft.1902.jpg Suzanne DeChillo/The New York Times
The Vu Hotel is being built in a former printing plant.

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2008/01/20/business/20sqft.1903.jpg David Phelps
Rates for rooms will start at $400 a night.

But hotel owners, developers, brokers and consultants are almost uniformly shrugging off any doom-and-gloom ideas about the year ahead. The market, they agree, remains underserved, with hundreds of hotel rooms lost to recent condominium conversions in recent years.

“It’s a nice place to live, but it’s a lousy place to visit,” said Thomas McConnell, a senior managing director at Cushman & Wakefield, the real estate services firm, referring to Manhattan’s number of hotel rooms. Even 10,000 new rooms “wouldn’t wreck things,” he added. “It would normalize them,” he said, “because we’re undersupplied.”

According to industrywide estimates, Manhattan room rates are expected to rise by an average of 8 percent over last year, to around $320 a night, while per-room revenue is expected to grow 7 percent, on average. (In 2007, revenue jumped by a record 15 percent, according to PKF Consulting.)

Industry analysts say demand for the hotels opening this year will continue to come from European travelers who are taking advantage of favorable currency exchange rates. At the same time, analysts are also expecting that more American tourists will choose New York over European destinations like Paris, also because of the weak dollar.

Many of the nearly two dozen expected hotels in Manhattan — some new construction, some the renovation of existing buildings — will abut residential neighborhoods, while others will be in areas that historically have had few available accommodations.

Some of these areas, freshly scrubbed and revitalized, are emerging as trendy, like the Bowery, where the new 21-story Cooper Square Hotel is expected to open this summer. The $100 million project will include three bars, a restaurant and a small park. There will be 145 rooms, with 315 to 700 square feet each, according to Matthew Moss, a principal of the Peck Moss Hotel Group, its New York-based developer. Room rates have not been set, he said.

A few blocks to the southeast, on Allen Street on the Lower East Side, comes another gleaming high-rise hotel, Thompson LES. The $80 million, 21-story tower is expected to open in March, according to Michael Pomeranc, the developer. Its 170 rooms, measuring 350 to 1,700 square feet, will start at $300 a night, he said.

In TriBeCa, the Greenwich Hotel, from the actor Robert De Niro (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/d/robert_de_niro/index.html?inline=nyt-per), will offer 88 rooms in a brick-faced building at North Moore and Greenwich Streets.

Midtown Manhattan will have several hotels coming on line as well. In August, there will be three from McSam Hotel LLC on West 39th Street: a Holiday Inn Express, with 210 rooms; a Candlewood Suites, with 188 rooms; and a Hampton Inn, with 186 rooms, according to Beth Loetterle, a spokeswoman for McSam Hotel, which is based in Great Neck on Long Island (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/classifieds/realestate/locations/newyork/longisland/?inline=nyt-geo). The company is also developing a 113-room Wyndham Garden hotel, at 20 Maiden Lane in Lower Manhattan that is scheduled to open by April, she said.

Also this year, the refurbished Plaza Hotel (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/p/plaza_hotel/index.html?inline=nyt-org) near Central Park is set to open. Although most of its 460 rooms will be sold as apartments, this 19-story structure will also offer 130 traditional hotel suites, to be run by Fairmont Hotels and Resorts.

And in October, Hyatt Hotels will introduce its Andaz line at 75 Wall Street in the financial district, offering 250 rooms in a converted office tower, according to Ben Hakminian, a principal of the Hakminian Organization, its developer.

Taken together, these properties will add only about 3,000 rooms — a drop in the bucket in terms of supply in Manhattan, which has about 65,000 rooms, said John A. Fox, a senior vice president at PKF Consulting, whose clients include developers.

Overall occupancy rates have hovered around 85 percent for the last few years, versus around 65 percent nationwide, Mr. Fox said; the high rate suggests that many guests are often turned away. He added that it would take about 10,000 additional rooms in a short period to balance the supply-and-demand equation. (About 46 million people visited New York City (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/classifieds/realestate/locations/newyork/newyorkcity/manhattan/?inline=nyt-geo) last year, about 6 percent more than in 2006, according to the city’s tourism agency.)

It typically takes about three and a half years for a new hotel to move from conception to ribbon-cutting, and hotel developers can be known for changing their minds about how to most profitably use a property.

“A lot of hotels are announced and not all are built,” Mr. Fox said. “Many are gleams in the eyes of developers.”

But then again, the pendulum could swing the other way. In the late 1980s, for example, Times Square sites that now house the Doubletree Guest Suites, the Crowne Plaza and the Renaissance New York were initially considered for offices, according to Mr. McConnell at Cushman & Wakefield.

What also fluctuates is the availability of financing; in the early part of this decade, hotel developers “were at the bottom of the food chain,” Mr. Fox said. He said that banks had considered hotels to be too risky, preferring instead to lend money for residential developments, which have long-term leases.

ALTHOUGH the current credit crisis has dealt a blow to some developers, analysts said they knew of no hotel projects in New York City that have been scuttled outright. Still, locking in loans for future projects has become trickier, said Michael Yanko, the chief executive of Horizen Global, a developer based in New York.

His Zuri, a 178-room hotel that is expected to break ground this spring on West 23rd Street in the Flatiron District, had to turn to European banks to underwrite the $135 million project after many American investors balked, Mr. Yanko said. To be designed by the architect Carlos Zapata, who also designed the Cooper Square Hotel, the 24-story structure will have a 40-foot-long glass-bottomed Jacuzzi cantilevered over the sidewalk, he added.

In the meantime, Horizen is focused on completing its Vu Hotel, inside a 17-story converted former printing plant at 11th Avenue and West 48th Street, to be run by the Kimpton hotel chain with rates starting at $400 a night, Mr. Yanko said. The $140 million project is to open in June.

Mr. Yanko dismisses any concerns about a recession this year, thanks to the steady influx of foreign visitors. “The whole world will be able to afford to come here then,” he said.

Copyright 2008 The New York Times Company

The Benniest
January 20th, 2008, 03:20 PM
This question is regarding the Greenwich Hotel, mentioned above. Does anyone have an idea how much this hotel will cost a night? And also from looking at the name, it's going to be in the Greenwich Village, correct? :)


January 20th, 2008, 03:44 PM
from looking at the name, it's going to be in the Greenwich Village, correct? :)
Not correct. It's named for the street it's on, not the euphonious neighborhood. It's in Tribeca.

January 20th, 2008, 03:46 PM
...the 24-story structure will have a 40-foot-long glass-bottomed Jacuzzi cantilevered over the sidewalk...
How does this get around the codes?

The Benniest
January 20th, 2008, 03:51 PM
Not correct. It's named for the street it's on, not the euphonious neighborhood. It's in Tribeca.

Oo. Okay, thank you ablarc for clearing that up for me.


January 23rd, 2008, 02:28 AM
oh boy,$250 per night!!wow,that's suppoe to be the NYC price, hoho.

some friends in the states they always invited me to visit US,i was thinking if i earned my money in china and spend in US that's not wise.and now i know i was right.in my city,chungking china,Marriot or Hilton or Sheraton or some nice hotels cost $100 left or right per night,if it's the off season,like this month,it could be $50 per night arround.

well i change my mind now,i think i'll take a business tour to US but not as a tourist.that means my boss will pay.

February 2nd, 2008, 03:09 AM
I just found this site, and this is actually my first post. It seems like a cool place to hang out, although I do need some assistance.

I'm headin' up to Boston and New York in late-March for a much-needed vacation and to decide which city I want to live in when I move late this year or early next. I've booked everything except for my hotel in NYC.

Can anybody recommend one that's good and doesn't go above $150 a night? Ideally, I'm looking at $130 tops. Crazy, I know. $150-180 is stretching it for me.

I've been looking at the Pan American Hotel on Queens Boulevard. It looks like a good choice, but I didn't want to book it without checking with you guys first.

February 3rd, 2008, 10:36 PM
A flash from the past ...

Up for auction (http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-NEW-YORK-City-MapThe-KNOTT-HOTELS-1937_W0QQitemZ290202365564QQihZ019QQcategoryZ1413Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem) is a 1937 brochure for Knotts Hotels of NYC with pics & drawings (including info on the Hotel Holley, where all rooms have a private bath). Also includes what looks like a really big Manhattan map ...




February 3rd, 2008, 10:44 PM
1930 NEW YORK CITY'S LIST OF HOTELS (http://www.bklyn-genealogy-info.com/Directory/1930.Hotels.html)

Including addresses

This completes the total transcribing of the 1930 New York City's List of Hotels as listed
on Pages: 208-210 of White-Orr's 1930 Classified Business Directory-New York City Section.

Transcribed exclusively for the Brooklyn Pages by Miriam Medina

The Benniest
March 29th, 2008, 08:01 PM
This is where I stayed for a week while visiting the city.


The hotel was gorgeous, and while the views *I* had on the 5th floor were not spectacular, friends and I took a ride to almost-the-top floor and the views were amazing.

The rooms were amazing. The spacious, vaulted-ceiling rooms were very comfortable. If I'm staying in a hotel, I want my room to be a place where I can come after a long day of doing tourist things and be comfortable and relax. The Marriott/Brooklyn Bridge definitely achieved that. :)

The lobby was again, spacious with a business center for getting on email accounts and keeping in touch with family members. One of the special, not necessarily needed perks of this hotel were the two escalators in the lobby that took guests from ground/street level to the 2nd level lobby. Although, this greatly helped after walking around New York City for an entire day. :)


The location of this hotel to transportation was also very well planned. It's a very short distance from the Brooklyn Bridge (obviously!), and very close to two subway stations (Jay Street and Borough Hall). My tour group and I took many trips to Borough Hall at late hours of the night after seeing Broadway shows.

As well as being close to transportation, it's also close to the Fulton Street Mall (http://www.fultonstreet.org/), which includes both local breakfast/lunch spots and normal restaurants like Dunkin' Donuts, and Burger King.

I definitely reccomend this hotel to anyone traveling to New York. If you want to be really near Manhattan, but don't want to stay on Manhattan Island, stay here. The price is worth it!

March 30th, 2008, 04:58 AM
Midtown hotel Morgans to close for renovation

The Morgans Hotel Group Co. will pay $9 million for the renovation; the hotel is slated to reopen in September.

March 28. 2008 1:35PM By: Tommy Fernandez (http://www.crainsnewyork.com/apps/pbcs.dll/personalia?ID=)

Chic midtown hotel Morgans will be closed for six months, starting May 18 for a complete renovation, Morgans Hotel Group Co. said today.

The renovation, slated for completion in September, will be led by designer Andree Putnam and includes refurbishments of the lobby, guestrooms and penthouse. The hotel’s “living room” space will also be re-done and upgraded with a high-tech business center. No changes are planned for Morgan’s signature restaurant, Asia de Cuba, which will remain open for the renovation.

Hotel guests scheduled to stay at Morgans during this period will have the option of staying at either the Royalton (located in midtown) or the Hudson (which is blocks away from Central Park).

Morgans Hotel Group plans to pay $9 million for the renovation.

The news comes less a month after Manhattan’s famous Plaza hotel reopened following a three-year, $400 million renovation. Plaza owners Elad Properties and Saudi-based Kingdom Holding Co. and manager Fairmont Hotels & Resorts will have a formal reopening May 10. http://www.crainsnewyork.com/images/diamond.gif

Copyright 2008 Crain's New York Business.

The Benniest
March 30th, 2008, 05:07 PM
I was reading through Zippy's first post in here about the hotels for less $250/night and came across the Gershwin Hotel. (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y290/benthal/DSC05291.jpg) From the pictures, the hotel looks very cozy and artsy, which is perfect for a guy like me.

My question is: Has anyone ever heard or read anything about their dormitory rooms? The prices are incredibly low ($44-$45/night), and for being that low .. the rooms don't look to trashy from what I could see.

The next time I go to New York City (this summer some time), I will be 'scouting' out apartment buildings and doing more things besides the normal touristy stuff. Are these dormitory hotel rooms worth it? We don't have anything like that here in Iowa.

Thanks to anyone who replies...

March 30th, 2008, 06:23 PM
Just wait til you go to college and learn the way of the hostel.

The Benniest
March 30th, 2008, 08:12 PM
It's pretty guarnanteed (at this point) that for the first year, I won't be attending college in New York. :(

Yesterday, I was accepted into the Graphic Design department at a community school (http://www.dmacc.edu/) in Des Moines, IA. If, at the end of one year, I have enough money and enough credits through DMACC to transfer to NYC, by all means I'll be there in a second!

The reason I want to come and look at apartments this summer, is because I want to get a feel for what I have been looking at for months via pictures on the internet. Which is why I asked about the dormitory-style rooms at the Gershwin Hotel. I don't want to pay a butt-load of money just to come and look at some options for apartments.

April 2nd, 2008, 06:05 AM
Hotel Sought For East Side Bellevue Site

Staff Reporter of the Sun
April 1, 2008

Despite a flagging economy, the city's Economic Development Corp. and the New York City Health and Hospitals Corp. (http://www2.nysun.com/related_results.php?term=New+York+City+Health+and+ Hospitals+Corporation) are seeking a private developer to transform the building that housed the Bellevue Psychiatric Hospital into a hotel and conference center.

The EDC sent out a request for proposals yesterday for a 400,000-square-foot hotel on First Avenue between 29th and 30th streets that would serve the medical and life sciences industries that are represented in the surrounding neighborhood. The revenue generated from the hotel would go back to Bellevue (http://www2.nysun.com/related_results.php?term=Bellevue).

Critics are questioning the wisdom of releasing the RFP at a time when major development projects across the city — from the Atlantic Yards (http://www2.nysun.com/related_results.php?term=Atlantic+Yards) to the proposed remake of Penn Station (http://www2.nysun.com/related_results.php?term=Penn+Station) — are either stalled or in jeopardy of falling apart.

"The timing is not ideal to maximize revenue for the hospital and the city especially for a location that is not conventional," a real estate attorney with Greenberg Traurig (http://www2.nysun.com/related_results.php?term=Greenberg+Traurig+LLP), Robert Ivanhoe (http://www2.nysun.com/related_results.php?term=Robert+Ivanhoe), said.

The nine-story building, built in 1931, is adjacent to the East River Science Park, a life-science and technology research and development campus that is scheduled to open in late 2009. The EDC and New York City Health and Hospitals Corp. are offering a long-term ground lease of 49 years with two renewal options of 25 years each.

Mr. Ivanhoe said the long-term prospects of a hotel on Manhattan's East Side would be determined by the amount of commerce the development campus can generate.

For the past 10 years the site has served as a shelter for homeless men, but the Department of Homeless Services wants to close the site by the middle of next year and shift those activities to another facility. The EDC, which said it hopes to select a developer by fall, said the building's H-shaped layout shaped makes it ideal as a hotel and conference center.

The director of the real estate research firm Real Capital Analytics, Daniel Fasulo, said the idea is a "no-brainer."

"The property lays out much better for hotel use than the requirements of a modern medical institution," he said.

Copyrighr 2008 The New York Sun.

April 3rd, 2008, 02:00 PM
Ben - do the schools you're looking at have university-provided and/or on-campus housing?

The Benniest
April 3rd, 2008, 06:39 PM
At the moment, I'm not as interested in NYC schools, as I know I will be going for at least ONE year next year. Schools I have looked into, include:

New York Institute of Photography
Art Institute of New York City (very briefly)
Fashion Institute of Technology (F.I.T.)
Parson's New SchooolI'm not sure whether the above have dormitories provided but like you said adchick82, it would greatly help in my: 1) apartment search, and 2) money issues.

Does anyone know whether or not housing is provided at any of the above schools?

April 3rd, 2008, 10:02 PM
Pratt is another good design school in Brooklyn.

Not sure who has dorms. I would guess that FIT does.

April 7th, 2008, 06:45 PM
It looks like the Art Institute and Parsons both have school-affiliated (whether on or off campus) housing. Definitely look into that when you visit the schools - they might even have tours of the affiliated housing available.

The Benniest
April 7th, 2008, 07:08 PM
Thank you adchick82. I will definitely do that. I plan on looking at the campuses of many of the schools in New York City, even ones I don't want to or can't get into (i.e. NYU, Columbia). There is surely to be an information desk/kiosk somewhere on the campus' that gives out brochures or information about the school(s), right?

April 7th, 2008, 08:12 PM
FIT definitely does.

April 13th, 2008, 06:01 AM
Square Feet | Checking In

Calibrating a Hotel for the Luxury Market

By FRED A. BERNSTEIN (http://query.nytimes.com/search/query?ppds=bylL&v1=FRED A. BERNSTEIN&fdq=19960101&td=sysdate&sort=newest&ac=FRED A. BERNSTEIN&inline=nyt-per)
Published: April 13, 2008

WHEN the Mark Hotel, at 77th Street and Madison Avenue in Manhattan (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/classifieds/realestate/locations/newyork/newyorkcity/manhattan/?inline=nyt-geo), reopens later this year after an extensive renovation, rooms will start at around $1,000 a night.

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2008/04/12/realestate/themark.190v.jpgHiroko Masuike for The New York Times
The Mark Hotel, at 77th Street and Madison Avenue in Manhattan. Rooms will start at about $1,000 a night.

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2008/04/12/realestate/themark.two650.jpgHiroko Masuike for The New York Times
James Sherwin in a model room. The hotel will have 118 hotel suites and 42 co-op apartments.

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2008/04/12/business/lobby.650.jpgHiroko Masuike for The New York Times
Hotel guests and co-op owners will share the lobby, above.

Don’t expect to get a discount.

James Sherwin, who recently took the job of general manager, said one of his goals would be to keep prices from slipping, even in slack periods.

“In my day, you had your rate, and if the client couldn’t pay it, they didn’t come, and that was it,” Mr. Sherwin said. Today, hotels are likely to lower prices whenever demand softens. But by doing that, he said, “you kill the building, cook the staff, and potentially take in people who aren’t necessarily the caliber that the business is based on.”

In short, he said, “I’m a great believer in, if necessary, letting the occupancy drop a bit, but keeping your rates as you wish.”

If that sounds optimistic in an economy with soft spots, Mr. Sherwin’s employers aren’t worried.

“I don’t expect a lot of vacancies,” said Izak Senbahar, who owns the Mark with Simon Elias, his business partner in the Alexico Group.

Hotels like the Mark, he says, attract as many foreign as American customers. “It’s the global economy, not the local economy, that matters,” Mr. Senbahar said.

In fact, he added, Manhattan is still ripe for luxury hotel development.

“Anytime you see an area with 75 percent occupancy, you want to build. And in Manhattan, the occupancy rate has been about 85 percent,” he said.
If anything, he says, there’s a shortage of luxury hotels in Manhattan, “because it is so hard to build here.”

Bjorn Hanson, who tracks the hotel industry for PricewaterhouseCoopers, agreed. He said that about 20 hotels were scheduled to open in Manhattan in 2008.

“They’re either very small, or they’re not at the price point the Mark will be at,” he said.

As a result, he said, “while three years ago might have been even better, it is still a very positive time to open a hotel in Manhattan, especially at the high end.”

But just in case demand for hotel rooms declines, Mr. Senbahar and Mr. Elias believe that they have a secret weapon: Mr. Sherwin, who was the executive manager of the Carlyle Hotel, at 76th Street and Madison Avenue, for most of the 1990s.

“Certainly anyone paying the kind of prices we are commanding is going to demand services at the highest level,” Mr. Elias said.

“James’s forte is how to treat V.I.P.’s, how to make people’s lives easier,” Mr. Senbahar said. “People are willing to spend the money, but you’ve got to make it stress-free for them,” he said. “That’s basically the game plan.”

When he left his job at the Carlyle in 2001 to open a consulting firm, Mr. Sherwin continued to field requests from some of that hotel’s longtime customers, who, he said, relied on him to get everything ready for their stay.

“If you deal with someone like myself, one call does everything,” he said.

Mr. Sherwin, who trained in England, is 56. Wearing Savile Row suits and Turnbull & Asser dress shirts, he dispenses pearls of wisdom about how hotels should treat their guests.

Employees should never respond to “thank you” with “it’s my pleasure,” Mr. Sherwin said. Guests, he explained, don’t care if “it’s your pleasure.”

“It’s their pleasure that matters,” he added.

He said he would train the hotel’s staff to be cordial, but not overly familiar.

“It’s great to remember everyone’s name,” he said. “But there are times when ‘sir’ or ‘madam’ is absolutely fine.”

And he will remind the staff never to ask a guest, “Would you like another drink?” The word “another,” he said, can make a person feel self-conscious about drinking.

The hotel won’t have to manage its own dining room because it has formed a partnership with Sant Ambroeus, an Italian restaurant on Madison Avenue, which will open a branch inside the hotel. (Like the rest of the hotel, the restaurant is being designed by Jacques Grange (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/g/jacques_grange/index.html?inline=nyt-per).)

Mr. Sherwin seemed relieved that he hadn’t taken a job at a hotel where catering is a large part of the business. “Running a full-on food and beverage operation is a lot of work, and it can run off with your profits,” he said.

There will be room service, and that’s enough of a responsibility. “People ask why room service is so expensive,” he said. “One reason is that you have to have a full crew on hand so if it starts to rain and suddenly everybody calls, you’re covered.”

In addition to 118 hotel suites, the building contains 42 co-op apartments. Prices range from $2 million to $60 million (for a 10,000-square-foot duplex penthouse).

Mr. Senbahar said that the hybrid building was a way of “diversifying the risk.” But he said both the co-ops and the hotel had to make sense as businesses.

“Otherwise,” he said, “we would have done one or the other.”

Hotel guests and co-op owners will share the building’s lobby. The owners will have access to hotel services when they are in town, and hotel employees to provide security when they are away. “It’s a very good way for people who don’t want the responsibility of having their own staff,” Mr. Sherwin said.

Co-op owners can choose to rent out their suites through the hotel when they’re not in residence. The owner will receive 60 percent of the revenue; the hotel, 40 percent.

Mr. Sherwin said his main responsibility right now was hiring the hotel’s 180 or so employees, including some whose jobs would have been eliminated at other establishments. “Even though you can run your whole life from your cellphone,” he said, “we’re going to have the proper number of people on the switchboard.”

He says he isn’t raiding the Carlyle for employees — “one wants to behave as immaculately as one can.” But it’s natural, he said, that some of his former colleagues might be calling him. “Why wouldn’t they think to be part of something new?” he said. “It is America.”

And the Mark is just a block away from the Carlyle. “People like a short move,” he said, “because we’re all creatures of habit.”

Copyright 2008 The New York Times.

April 13th, 2008, 09:44 AM
Re: Mark Hotel: Does anyone know what this building was before it became the Mark Hotel? I've done a search but can find no info. I think this place went through hard times by the 1970's. Was it a woman's residence for a while? Something like that?

( BTW: note the use of pure white walls in the guest rooms... as we saw in the renovated Plaza.)

April 13th, 2008, 12:10 PM
Hi Fabrizio, nice to hear from you.

Haven't found much yet but will keep looking.

The Mark Condominium - 25 East 77th Street (http://www.nycondoblog.com/?p=268)

August 11, 2007 at 11:31 am · Filed under Mark Condominium - 25 East 77th Street (http://www.nycondoblog.com/?cat=65)

Living in the shadow of the Carlyle hotel (quite literally during the a.m. hours), the Mark hotel (http://www.themarkhotel.com/)is a Madison Avenue institution, although not one that would immediately come to mind when drawing up a lists of landmarks.
The hotel was designed by Shwartz & Gross, early 20th-century architects who had a major hand in the Central Park West skyline—which, as it happens, can be seen from top floors of the Mark. (The top floors of the Mark are, in fact, the only ones for sale, but more on that below).

All-in-all, the Mark was a very nice, certainly luxurious hotel, which up to now seemed to be content with resting on the laurels of its unparalleled location (the corner of 77th and Madison) as its main selling point. As a building, it is another historical gem in a historical neighborhood full of them. Now, however, world-class designer Jaques Grange is stepping in to renovate and ensure that the inside of this building becomes something to set it apart.

April 13th, 2008, 12:19 PM
Since first opening its doors in 1927, The Mark has been New York and the world's premiere landmark hotel. Currently the hotel is closed while it undergoes a complete redevelopment led by the visionary developers at Alexico Group. The Mark will reopen Summer 2008 and will feature 118 hotel rooms and 42 cooperative Suites Extraordinaire.

Copyright Corcoran

Emporis listing.


April 13th, 2008, 12:43 PM
OK, I'm going to stick my neck out here and say that this is untrue:

"Since first opening its doors in 1927, The Mark has been New York and the world's premiere landmark hotel".

I am convinced this place was not called the Mark Hotel but got that name after a renovation in the 1980's.

Anyone wanna bet?

(in Euros please)

April 13th, 2008, 02:43 PM
Looking through Department of Finance / Department of Buildings docs no earlier name is revealed.

Part of the site, 29 East 77th (http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E0CE5DE1738F93AA15752C1A9649582 60), was formerly a rowhouse (circa 1880) occupied by a cracker manufacturer named Daniel Brinckerhoff.

Per 25 E. 77th DOB Certificate of Occupancy (http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/COsByLocationServlet?requestid=3&allbin=1041821) record search:

When this "new" building first opened in 1927 the building was listed as an "Apartment Hotel".
Floors 3 - 12: Occupancy = 22.
Floors 13 - 15: Occupancy = 10.

A C/O from 1970 changes that listing to "Class A Multiple Dwelling", showing 10 - 13 apartments / floor.

A C/O from 1991 / 1992 shows that the apartment count was increased, in some cases to 16 units / floor. It also notes that the building has "maid & front desk service".

The latest documents for the current renovation show 20 - 21 units / floor with 10 - 16 units on the uppermost floors.

April 13th, 2008, 03:22 PM
However ...

A search at NY Times reveals a different name (http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F70913F6355B1A7B93C5A8178AD95F43 8785F9&scp=2&sq=25+east+77th&st=p) for the building in 1977:

Thomas J. Deegan Jr., who helped organize the New York World's Fair of 1964-65 and was chairman of its executive committee, died yesterday of a heart attack at his residence at the Hyde Park Hotel, 25 East 77th Street.

Apparently, from an obituary found in the TIMES (http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=FB0D12FC3C5A157493C3A81788D85F44 8785F9&scp=5&sq=25+east+77th&st=p), the Hyde Park had some long-term residents:

>> Jessie Rosenfeld, Worker At Temple Emanu-EI, 99

March 11, 1970

Jessie Rosenfeld, a volunteer worker for Temple Emanu-EI, died Monday at the Hyde Park Hotel, 25 East 77th Street, where she lived. She was nearly 100 years old.
And, typical of stories out of New York in the 1970's, the Hyde Park experienced some nasty violence (http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F30D14FC3B5E157493C0A8178ED85F41 8785F9&scp=10&sq=hyde+park+hotel&st=p)within its walls:

>> Art Dealer Stabbed to Death; Suspect Seized in Hotel Lobby

May 12, 1975

A 57-year-old art dealer was stabbed to death in his suite at a fashionable hotel on the Upper East Side early yesterday, and a young man with blood on his chest was taken into custody by policemen in the lobby and charged with the murder.
In 1936, the TIMES tells of the Hyde Park (http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F00C17F8385B1B7B93C2AA178FD85F42 8385F9&scp=3&sq=hyde+park+hotel&st=p) at 25 East 77th being sold at auction:

15-Story Hyde Park at 77th Street Is Taken Over by Bank.

April 30, 1936, Thursday

The City Bank Farmers Trust Company, as plaintiff and trustee, yesterday bought in at auction the fifteen-story Hyde Park Hotel at 998 Madison Avenue, northwest corner of Seventy-seventh Street, on a bid of $550,000. The building was put up for sale by Thomas F. Burchill, auctioneer, in a foreclosure action against the 25 East Seventy-seventh Street Company, Inc.
As early as 1928 the TIMES (http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=FB0917FD355B167A93C2AB1789D95F4C 8285F9&scp=17&sq=hyde+park+hotel&st=p) referred to it as the Hyde Park Hotel ...

$180,000 Account Handled by Broker's Clerk as Said to Have Dwindled to $160.

December 20, 1928, Thursday

Jerome Huber, 30 years old, a customer's clerk in the stock brokerage firm of Prince Whitely, 25 Broad Street, who gave as his address the Hyde Park Hotel, 25 East Seventy-Seventh ...
More on the Hyde Park Hotel from the New York TIMES (http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=940DE4DC153FF936A1575AC0A96E9482 60):

>> Heirs of Sol Goldman Battle Over Estate

September 25, 1988

ON Oct. 20, 1983, Lillian Goldman moved out of the Waldorf-Astoria suite she shared with her husband, Sol, and began a divorce proceeding. She asked for half of Mr. Goldman's $1 billion in assets, New York City's largest private real-estate empire ...

PROPERTIES owned by the Goldman estate include the Stanhope Hotel on Fifth Avenue at 81st Street, the Hyde Park Hotel on East 77th Street at Madison Avenue and numerous four- and five-building clusters in the path of development on the East and West Sides of midtown Manhattan and the Upper East Side along Lexington and Third Avenues. One cluster includes five properties, four of them contiguous, on the block bounded by Lexington and Third Avenues and 46th and 45th Streets, another five contiguous properties on the block west of Fifth Avenue between 55th and 56th Streets.

Seemingly the Hyde Park Hotel on East 77th was never as grand as a Hyde Park hotel In London (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=11740566&postcount=93)

April 13th, 2008, 03:33 PM
Apparently the Hyde Park Hotel was the first hotel that Ian Schrager / Steve Rubell had their eyes on when they were intially thinking of getting into the hotel business way back when ...


The New York Times Magazine (http://www.morganshotel.com/morgans_hotel_new_york_magazine.html)
By Michael Daly
July 22, 1988

... Steve and Ian had decided to make a play for the Hyde Park Hotel at East 77th Street and Madison Avenue. The purchase price was $24 million, and they were about $24 million short. "We were going for the big bucks," Ian says.

"We were going to get back on our feet in six months."

When the pair met with a series of financiers, the computer printouts Steve brought along were often tattered. Ian remembered that Steve had an old habit of using bits of paper to clean his teeth.

"He would tear off the corners and chew on them," Ian says.

During the meetings, Ian was focused and direct. Steve rambled and played the neophyte. Hecht remembers, "Steve says, 'Gee, you're the smartest. You're the greatest. Could you give me advice?' You'd be surprised how people's egos fall for that. The person reveals entirely his way of thinking and operating, and Steve hasn't revealed anything. He's just absorbed it all."

Repeatedly, Steve demonstrated that even staid men of money and power are susceptible to being star struck. Hecht says, "The conversation would start, 'There was a party at Calvin's at the Hampton's,' or 'I just spoke to Bianca,' and this would impress the guys with millions who know nobody. Steve was a walking Liz Smith column."

After Steve left a room, Hecht watched caution creep back into the excited faces. Hecht says, "Everybody wanted to know Steve because of what he once was, but nobody wanted to be in bed with him. Nobody wanted to do business with him. They thought, 'But am I going to end up in jail?'"

At one point, Texas real-estate developer Clifton Harrison invited Steve and Ian down to Dallas for his wedding. Steve says, "You know I'm not the Texan type. I would have gone to Hong Kong. We were trying to raise the money."

Subsequently, Harrison journeyed to South America and tried without success to syndicate the Hyde Park deal as a limited partnership. He advised Steve and Ian to seek a more modest project and a single backer who would be willing to take a chance on them.

"I said, 'Y'all got to get practical,"' Harrison says.

Back in New York, Hecht suggested syndicating the project to celebrities as a tax shelter. Hecht remembers, "Steve said, 'I just give favors to these people. I don't take favors from them.' He wants them to owe him."

At the office on West 55th Street, Steve's printouts joined the Studio 54 papers in the dead files. Steve went back to counting the sodas in the refrigerator. Ian kept watch on his pens. Aldrich remembers, "With every false start, there would be phone calls and lots of plans, and then it would fall apart and it was back to the old coffee and Cokes. Time went slowly, slowly, slowly."

Whatever their past sins, Steve and Ian did have a proven ability to make money with a disco. They now offered to open a club with anybody who was willing to bankroll a hotel as well. There were no takers.

"They would say, 'Look, if I want to do a hotel, I'll go to Hyatt, not you guys,'" Ian remembers ...


April 13th, 2008, 03:49 PM
A follow-up to the 1975 Hyde Park Hotel murder ...

Slaying Suspect Used False Identification (http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F70814F93A5B107B93C0AB178ED85F41 8785F9&scp=29&sq=hyde+park+hotel&st=p) [PDF $$]

The police have confirmed that a prisoner being held in the slaying of Jon Streep,
an art dealer, in an East Side hotel on May 10 was actually a 17-year-old drifter from
New Jersey who used an identification card of an upstate man when he was arrested at ...

April 13th, 2008, 03:54 PM
Yes, The HydePark.

See? I could have won big.

Thanks for jarring my memory. You know, it was the 1970's. I was in and out of a lot of buildings back then too. (never murdered anyone though)

I do remember that the place had seen it's glory days and was kind of shabby.


April 13th, 2008, 06:11 PM
Great stuff Lofter.

I can understand why the current owners would want to gloss over some of that information.

April 24th, 2008, 05:55 AM
The Hotel Le Jolie Is A Very Confused Hotel (http://www.hotelchatter.com/story/2008/4/23/145425/781/hotels/The_Hotel_Le_Jolie_Is_A_Very_Confused_Hotel)

http://www.hotelchatter.com/files/admin/hotel_website.gif (http://hotellejolie.com/) Where: 235 Meeker Ave. [map] (http://maps.google.com/?q=235%20Meeker%20Ave.%2C%2011211), Brooklyn (http://www.hotelchatter.com/hotels/city/us/NY/Brooklyn), NY (http://www.hotelchatter.com/browse/North%20America/us/NY), United States (http://www.hotelchatter.com/browse/North%20America/us), 11211 (http://www.hotelchatter.com/zip/11211)
4/23/2008 at 3:11 PM


It's admittedly kinda trendy to beat up on Brooklyn hotels. (At least the ones not charging by the hour, that is.) But when they make it so easy, it's hard to let 'em slide.

The other week we thought the Hotel Le Jolie (http://www.hotelchatter.com/hotel-reviews/Hotel+Le+Jolie/ian/263437) might be kind of a cool place to stay. (http://www.hotelchatter.com/story/2008/4/10/162322/616/hotels/Luxury_at_Great_Brooklyn_Price_We_re_Kvelting)

But now we're not so sure after seeing this giant banner ad for Grand Theft Auto IV on the side of the hotel. Needless to say, it's taking the class level down a few notches. And Curbed can't decide which is better: the video game ad or the abandoned gas station next to the property.

We'll say neither after looking over Le Jolie's newly functional website. Among the "snapshots" of great things to see in NYC is a photo of the Brooklyn Bridge at night. There's no doubt that's a wonderful landmark, but couldn't the hotel find a photo of the bridge without the World Trade Center in the background????
[Original Photo: Curbed (http://curbed.com/archives/2008/04/23/burgs_hotel_le_jolie_now_with_gta_iv.php)]

© SFO Media LLC 2004-2008

April 25th, 2008, 12:53 PM
What about the Roosevelt, the renovation over time removed all charter, might as well tear it down.

April 25th, 2008, 05:01 PM
Are you insane? Even a stripped down Roosevelt's got more class and grandeur than any of the insipid new hotels you usually get in this city today.

April 25th, 2008, 06:41 PM
On the QT, Andre Balazs Checks Out of Midtown Hotel (http://origin.observer.com/2008/qt-andre-balazs-checks-out-midtown-hotel)

by Chris Shott and Dana Rubinstein
3:42 pm

http://origin.observer.com/files/imagecache/vertical-teaser/files/HotelQT.bmp (http://origin.observer.com/2008/qt-andre-balazs-checks-out-midtown-hotel) Property Shark
125 W. 45th St.

Hunkier-than-thou hotelier Andre Balazs has closed on the sale of Hotel QT (http://www.hotelqt.com/) for a handsome $82 million.

The deal appeared in public records today, though Crain's New York (http://www.crainsnewyork.com/) apparently broke the news, with nary a splash (http://flickr.com/photos/cova69/331314287/), last week.

The buyer is Room Mate Hotels (http://www.room-matehotels.com/eng/roommatehotel/home_general.php), which owns hotels with cutesy names like Lola (http://www.room-matehotels.com/eng/malagahotel/lolahotel/lolahotel.php)and Oscar (http://www.room-matehotels.com/eng/madridhotel/oscarhotel/oscarhotel.php) in Spanish cities like Madrid, Valencia, and Salamanca, and has a Waldorf Towers (http://www.room-matehotels.com/eng/miami_beach/waldorfhotel/waldorfhotel.php)in Miami Beach.

It's unclear whether Hotel QT -- which, at 125 West 45th Street, already has a precious name -- will get a similarly cutesty moniker. Might we suggest something that evokes New York, like, say, Donny? Or Herschel?

© 2008 Observer Media Group,

April 26th, 2008, 07:54 AM
Are you insane? Even a stripped down Roosevelt's got more class and grandeur than any of the insipid new hotels you usually get in this city today.

The building is nothing special, where is the class and grandeur?
Just because its old does not mean its good.

The Benniest
April 26th, 2008, 09:53 AM
Ratty Hotel Poisoned My Cats
By DAREH GREGORIANApril 26, 2008 --

A swanky East Side hotel has an odd definition for the term "pet friendly," court papers charge.

A Manhattan couple says their three cats were lucky to get out of the AKA Sutton Place with their 27 collective lives intact - after dining on rat poison left in their room by the hotel staff.

ANGUISH: Novelist Marisha Pessl, seen
here near her TriBeCa home, says her
three beloved kitties were nearly fatally
poisoned at a posh hotel that advertises
itself as pet friendly.

Nicola Caiano and Marisha Pessl said through their lawyer, Constantine Dimopoulous, that the cats had to spend a week in a vet's care and have developed serious health problems.

So Caiano and Pessl are suing the hotel for negligence and asking for $25,000 in damages.

"You don't leave rat poison lying around rooms in a pet-friendly hotel," said Dimopoulous.

A representative for the East 56th Street establishment - where the rooms cost $400 to $550 a night - did not return a call for comment.

Caiano, a hedge-fund manager, and Pessl, author of the best-selling novel "Special Topics in Physics Calamity," checked in on last Dec. 11 after a fire forced them out of their TriBeCa apartment.

They decided to stay at AKA, they said, "solely because it bills itself as pet-friendly."

They even agreed to pay an extra fee to ensure that their pets - an ocicat and two Maine coons named Hitchcock, Felline and Bergman - could stay with them.

"These cats to them are, literally, like children," Dimopoulous said. "They're family."

On Dec. 21, the couple went out, leaving the kitties in the room. They returned to find them "on the floor, practically lying dead." A canister of rat poison had apparently been left under the radiator. The couple sought immediate medical help.

"The vets treated [the cats] and, thankfully, did everything they could to save their lives," Dimopoulous said. "[But] they've been treated on multiple, multiple occasions since and have been pretty much irreparably harmed."

His clients are "happy [their cats] are going to make it" but remain "distraught over whether any permanent damage was done and how this will affect their life expectancy.

"They're exceptionally upset about this whole thing - especially because the reason they stayed there in the first place was because of the cats."

Dimopoulous also accused the hotel of being less than people-friendly since the incident - and of refusing to pay the cats' medical bills.

"They've completely ignored every attempt to settle the situation amicably," he said.

The hotel's Web site boasts that it features "grand one- and two-bedroom suites with rich mahogany flooring and coffered ceilings."

The luxury digs also include a sauna, a massage and aromatherapy-treatment room and a Zagat-rated restaurant.

Copyright 2008 New York Post

April 26th, 2008, 09:46 PM
v70cat, you would have to be a philistine not to recognize the Roosevelt hotel's refinements and classiness. Show me a new hotel or anything else new in this city that can even remotely come close to touching this:



And you think that some nondescript glass box, just because it's new is going to be better than that?

Just because its old does not mean its good.The same can be said that just because it's new doesn't mean it's good either. ;)

April 26th, 2008, 11:21 PM
The lobby is ok, but the rest is of building is old and tired.

Have you been in the guest rooms?

April 27th, 2008, 11:21 PM
Rooms can always be renovated and upgraded.

When it comes to buildings and architecture, old is good. By the way, when you've gotten tired of the Roosevelt, you've gotten tired of life.

They don't build 'em like they used. This is what you're likely to get in this city today:


v70cat, I wouldn't want to live (nor anyone else with any shred of taste) in the city that you have in mind.

April 28th, 2008, 08:46 AM
I think Mac Sam is junk but does not mean that all new construction is bad.

The Roosevelt is old and tired; just because its old does not mean its good. A new tower would offer better views and more striking architecture.

April 28th, 2008, 08:58 AM
By the way, when you've gotten tired of the Roosevelt, you've gotten tired of life.

LOL. Very well said.


"Old and tired" BTW means nothing.

Old: uh well, yes... it's old. So are the majority of desirable hotels in NYC.

Tired: everyone is before a refresh.


April 29th, 2008, 09:51 AM
It is a squat low rise building that is nothing special.

A new high rise in this core midtown location would be a improvement to the area and the site.

April 29th, 2008, 10:08 AM
Just what Midtown needs... another high rise.

Foxy lady
May 6th, 2008, 05:19 AM
hello everyone...
i'm coming to NYC this summer,for the first time and can't wait! :)
I already have a reservation for Park 79 hotel, 117 West 79th Street... so if anybody knows something about this hotel i'll be happy to hear it :)
it seems very nice on the pictures, and please don't tell me to see tripadvisor :D
thanx everyone...

May 6th, 2008, 06:43 AM
What's wrong with Trip Advisor?

You are more likely to get an accurate assesment of the hotel from people who have stayed there.

New Yorkers can tell you about the building and the location. Not many of them would have stayed there.

The area you are staying in is fine, can't help you with the hotel.

Foxy lady
May 6th, 2008, 07:19 AM
What's wrong with Trip Advisor?

You are more likely to get an accurate assesment of the hotel from people who have stayed there.

New Yorkers can tell you about the building and the location. Not many of them would have stayed there.

The area you are staying in is fine, can't help you with the hotel.

nothing's wrong with it, I saw it that's all... :) you said the area is fine-that's a lot for me :)

May 6th, 2008, 07:24 AM
I have stayed in this area a couple of times, at The Beacon Hotel located at Broadway at 75th Street, and I love it.

My previous post HERE (http://wirednewyork.com/forum/showpost.php?p=157895&postcount=47)

I hope you enjoy your stay as much.

May 18th, 2008, 07:05 AM
Bronx Journal

Borough Gets Scant Notice for Hospitality

By DAVID GONZALEZ (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/g/david_gonzalez/index.html?inline=nyt-per)
Published: May 13, 2008

The people who published AAA’s 2008 New York tour book had a hard time recommending any hotels in the Bronx. They could find only one, in fact, a rather bland-looking building a mile north of Yankee Stadium by a service road to the Major Deegan Expressway.

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2008/05/13/nyregion/13hotels3.650.jpgUli Seit for The New York Times
The Howard Johnson Inn Yankee Stadium, on Sedgwick Avenue, is the only Bronx hotel noted in the 2008 AAA tour book.

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A mural of the stadium dominates the hotel’s breakfast nook.

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2008/05/13/nyregion/13hotels1.650.jpgUli Seit for The New York Times
Looking north, to High Bridge. The Harlem River and Deegan Expressway are on the left. The owner said he liked the view.

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Of these places, the Web site of the Bronx Tourism Council lists only Le Refuge Inn.

The hotel fared better than restaurants, since the automobile club’s guide does not list a single place to eat in the Bronx.

It is an odd distinction for that lone hotel in the guide, a Howard Johnson of no particular architectural significance. And given the borough’s long battles against hot-sheet motels that rent rooms by the hour, a casual observer might assume this place was no different.

But it is a real hotel catering to real tourists. One day last week, the parking lot was filled with cars from out of state, most belonging to guests who had come to see the Yankees play Cleveland. Retirees from Oklahoma and families from upstate New York eagerly hauled suitcases upstairs as they prepared to change into baseball jerseys and take in a game.

Chadd Morris and Brandon Bebout had driven eight hours from Cleveland to buy game tickets. They asked a local police officer for the nearest hotel and were directed to the HoJo, at 1300 Sedgwick Avenue just north of 167th Street.

“We got to New York with no idea where we were going to stay,” Mr. Morris said. “I had heard negatives and positives about the Bronx. We’ll see what happens.”

Negatives? In the Bronx?

“People said we couldn’t wear Indians stuff in New York,” he said. “But Yankee fans wear their stuff in our field, so we’ll try that here.”

The hotel itself has Yankee pinstripe wallpaper in the lobby and a breakfast nook dominated by a photo mural of the stadium. The rooms and windows are tiny, but clean and well appointed, with Wi-Fi access (and plasma screen televisions coming soon, too). A southbound highway ramp is nearby. The garage even has a waiting area labeled “High Class Passenger Pick Up and Drop Off.”

“High Class” is not (necessarily) referring to the passengers, but to High Class Bronx, a livery cab service that takes guests to the stadium or back and forth to the subway.

Gaurang Parikh bought the 45-room hotel two years ago when a friend told him the previous owner was having a hard time making a go of the place.

“I came to see the property and fell in love with it,” he said. “It has a river view of the Harlem River.”

Not to mention it was a 20-minute walk to Yankee Stadium. It was his idea to redo the décor in a baseball theme.

“I am from India, but I have always been a diehard Yankees fan,” he said. “For me to have a hotel next to Yankee Stadium is a dream come true.”

Actually, he is right next to the Police Department’s old 44th Precinct station, which now houses the Bronx Task Force. The area is safe. Up to a point.

“I used to have baseballs in the molding of the breakfast area,” he said. “American League teams on the baseballs. But people were stealing them.”
Out-of-town people, by the way.

He said that about 40 percent of his guests are baseball fans, and that the place is packed when Boston or Baltimore comes to play. The rest are people who want to visit Manhattan but do not want to pay Manhattan hotel rates. At most, his rooms go for $139 a night.

Getting any kind of attention away from Manhattan has always been a challenge for this, the Rodney Dangerfield of boroughs, beset by old images of fire and mayhem. A hotel is planned for the new mall being built south of the stadium. There are also some new, smaller hotels being built, though their locations raise more questions.

A Comfort Inn planned for Webster Avenue north of Fordham Road met with strong local opposition, though The Norwood News quoted the owner as saying that it would serve families visiting relatives at Fordham University (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/f/fordham_university/index.html?inline=nyt-org) or being treated at Montefiore Medical Center (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/m/montefiore_medical_center/index.html?inline=nyt-org).

The Web site of the Bronx Tourism Council — which is supposed to help the borough president promote the charms of all things Bronx — lists only one bed and breakfast in the borough, Le Refuge Inn, an elegantly appointed Victorian house at 586 City Island Avenue on City Island. After that, the Web site lists several local colleges as having dorm rooms available when classes are not in session, and a couple of hotels in Westchester County.

A voice-mail call for the tourism council’s marketing director and executive director was not returned. A call to the council’s Bronx hot line resulted only in a recorded greeting: “Please join us for the Bronx’s official tree lighting ceremony, Monday, Dec. 17, at 5 p.m. at the Bronx County Building.”

That’s Dec. 17, 2007. (After this article was posted on The New York Times’s City Room blog on Monday, the message was changed.)

The Howard Johnson near Yankee Stadium is not listed on the tourism council’s Web site. Nor is Mi Casa/Tu Casa, a guest house at 143 East 150th Street, a few blocks south of the stadium. The house, which has a total of five available rooms, is set to reopen this week after having been closed for renovations after an accidental fire damaged much of the building.

Mi Casa is literally the home of its owner, Julio Pabon, a local businessman and community advocate whose twin passions of baseball and Latino pride are reflected in the house’s décor. A backyard garden (http://travel.nytimes.com/travel/guides/gardens/overview.html?inline=nyt-classifier) has a mural of Puerto Rico’s El Yunque rain forest. The guest rooms feature art (http://travel.nytimes.com/travel/guides/art/overview.html?inline=nyt-classifier) from various Latin American countries. The living room is decorated with prints by Puerto Rican artists and figures honoring the Negro League (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/n/negro_leagues/index.html?inline=nyt-org) baseball heroes Cool Papa Bell and Josh Gibson.

Of course, there are more than a few photos of Roberto Clemente, too.

And one entire room is decorated with photos and drawings of Yankees from every era. That room, Mr. Pabon explained, will soon be occupied for the rest of the season by a Yankees executive.

Though he has relied on word of mouth to keep his house full ever since it opened two years ago, he is frustrated that the borough gets short shrift from guidebooks and even those whose job is to promote it.

“The more things are supposed to change, the more it stays the same,” he said. “People think the Bronx is still a no man’s land so nobody wants to stay here. So there’s no place to stay.”

Yet in the few blocks around his house, there is a gallery, a theater troupe, several decent bars and restaurants. And Yankee Stadium.

“Now I’m going to market this and aim for the people who go to see the Yankees,” he said. “My desire is to market this as a full-fledged bed and breakfast. I just have to learn what the requirements are. Other than serving breakfast.”


Copyright 2008 (http://www.nytimes.com/ref/membercenter/help/copyright.html) The New York Times Company (http://www.nytco.com/)

The Benniest
May 20th, 2008, 08:28 PM
I was searching for a hotel tonight and came across the Mayfair New York Hotel near Times Square.

Has anyone heard anything good/bad about this hotel? I called them and the front desk said that for a standard room, it's $175/night. I will only be staying in a hotel for one night, so I don't want to go overboard on the price range.

A quick response (if possible) would be excellent so I can get this room booked.

Thanks for all your help in advance,

May 20th, 2008, 09:43 PM
^ http://www.tripadvisor.com/Hotel_Review-g60763-d99357-Reviews-Mayfair_Hotel-New_York_City_New_York.html

The Benniest
May 21st, 2008, 03:29 PM
First off, I don't know if this is the right thread to post this in. I looked at the Safety in New York thread, but that is in the Moving to New York forum and this does not concern me moving. So if it is in the wrong thread, I apologize.

I will be staying at the Comfort Inn Brooklyn Bridge Hotel for 1 night in July, and want to know how the area is around that area. On Expedia, one of the reviews said to not walk in the area around the hotel after 9:00 p.m., but I'm planning on still being in Manhattan until around ~ 10:00 p.m.

I will definitely be taking the subway from Manhattan (most likely Times Square) to Brooklyn as a cab is going to be a little expensive for me in that distance. Do I just hail a cab at the subway station and have the cab take me directly to the hotel?

The hotel is located at 279 Butler Street between Nevins St. and 3rd Ave. in Brooklyn.

Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks,

The Benniest
June 2nd, 2008, 05:20 PM
Found this on the New York Times today:

January 29, 2008, 10:29 am

Times Square Hotels That Won’t Break the Bank

Q: I am going to New York for my 40th birthday in March. I would like to stay in Times Square without breaking the bank. Any ideas?

A: I have three Times’ recommended hotels near Times Square (http://travel.nytimes.com/travel/guides/north-america/united-states/new-york/new-york-city/attraction-detail.html?vid=1154654608271), named after this paper, for you to choose from, all reviewed in The Times by Denny Lee (http://travel.nytimes.com/gst/travel/travsearch.html?term=byline%3ABy%20DENNY%20LEE). The least expensive is Night Hotel (http://travel.nytimes.com/travel/guides/north-america/united-states/new-york/new-york-city/hotel-detail.html?vid=1154680438110&inline=nyt-classifier) (132 West 45th St., 212/835-9600; www.nighthotelny.com (http://www.nighthotelny.com/)). It was reviewed in a Check In column (http://travel.nytimes.com/2006/06/25/travel/25check.html) on June 25, 2006. Mr. Lee described the hotel as “gothic fantasia at a sober price, at least by Gotham standards.” The rate for a standard room in mid-March is as little as $219. are planning to go to Australia next February.

Hotel QT (http://travel.nytimes.com/travel/guides/north-america/united-states/new-york/new-york-city/hotel-detail.html?vid=1154656894617) (125 West 45th Street, 212/354-2323; www.hotelqt.com (http://www.hotelqt.com/)), also reviewed by Mr. Lee, “offers spartan rooms and a sexy swimming pool in the lobby.” The standard rate at QT for the same period is $259.

And the once celebrity-strewn Royalton Hotel (http://travel.nytimes.com/travel/guides/north-america/united-states/new-york/new-york-city/hotel-detail.html?vid=1194719864288) (44 West 44th Street, 212-869-4400; www.royaltonhotel.com (http://www.royaltonhotel.com/)), reviewed on Nov. 18, 2007, got a mixed review from Mr. Lee in another Check In column (http://travel.nytimes.com/2007/11/18/travel/18check.html). He complimented the service but not much else. If the history or opulence of the Royalton appeals, you can find a standard room for as little as $319 in mid-March. If you stay in one these hotels, please share your own review on that hotel’s venue page found at nytimes.com/travel (http://nytimes.com/travel).

Copyright 2008 New York Times Company

June 14th, 2008, 08:06 AM
Updated On 06/13/08 at 12:55PM

Mark Hotel 50 percent sold

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The Mark Hotel

The Alexico Group's The Mark Hotel on the Upper East Side has sold 50 percent of its homes, and completion is expected in the fall. The $300 million refurbishment includes furniture pieces designed by Jacques Grange, and fashion designers Dolce and Gabbana recently checked out the $60 million penthouse. A 3,183-square-foot three-bedroom unit just sold for $16 million.

More at: [NYDN] (http://www.nydailynews.com/real_estate/2008/06/12/2008-06-12_alexicos_goal_is_height_of_new_york_luxu.html?p age=0)


© 2008 The Real Deal

June 14th, 2008, 05:06 PM
Great info and research on the Mark Hotel.
Reading all the posts reminded me of why I enjoy WNY so much.

Know anything about the history of the Hotel Wales (Madison and 92nd),and what its' recent renovation looks like???

My Son and I stayed there in the Spring of 2002,and at the time the lobby was all scaffolds,enshrouded and dusty and the check-in desk was plywood.I kind of had second thoughts when I saw that,but,hell,I've stayed at the Pennsylvania,so rough NY hotels mean Zip.

We had a suite (queen bed/convertible sofabed,giant bathroom) on the third floor,and the mini-balcony where the flagpoles are situated was just outside our window,so we spent a lot of time lounging outside on the "balcony"--breaking all the rules,I'm sure--listening to the big flags snap in the breeze,swilling beer and watching the synchronized Mad Av traffic stream up the street and pass just beneath us.
After about four beers it became great sport for us to watch all the lights for twenty blocks down do their timed changes to green.It PULLS the traffic along the street.There's this great rush of cars,then about a minute of dead time,then the traffic rushes up again.At night,it's mostly taxis,and their lights bounce,like a movie effect.

It was just like my good old Village days,when the fire escape was the ideal place for outdoor,NY-style beer-drinking parties --except for the traffic.And the flags.

I had driven up from Florida that year and was pleased to find out that their valet parking was only $20/day.Everywhere else I have EVER stayed in Manhattan,it cost $50-70 per day.
That's one of the reasons I don't drive to New York very often.I hate paying $5.00/hour--or more,a lot more--to freakin' PARK!!!I used to WORK for $5.00/hr!!!

The room was very nice,almost botique.Each day,the Wales would place fresh flowers in the room,along with a comped NY Times,and on the second floor,the (gratis) continental breakfast room was more like a cozy,sofa filled library,with ample breakfast selections (even an omelette chef) and huge windows.As you fuel up for the day you are entertained by an actual harpist,performing drawing-room white noise.Great way to have a bagel.
There was a very nice restaurant within the hotel and at night it turned into a busy lounge,but I don't recall its' name.

Central Park is 2 blocks East on 92nd.In five minutes,you are right at the Central Park entrance and the Jackie Onassis Reservoir on Fifth Ave.One night,right at one of the gates,my son and I watched a crew filming a Chris Rock movie (I forget the title,but it's the one where he's given a second life and winds up being an old rich white guy).In the scene,he takes off into the park after a mugger and disappears behind the gate.
We watched them do about five takes.

There are a half-dozen of NY's finest museums within a 15 minute walk--we went to the Guggenheim,the Cooper-Hewitt and the Met and never broke a sweat.
The East side is filthy with restaurants and bars and shops.Across the street from the Wales is one of the Jackson Holes.The first time I ever even heard of them,I had a breakfast there.It was very good,and HUGE!!!
The second time I ever heard of them,that evening,I had their hamburger...just as good,and also huge.

If you like to stay on the East Side The Hotel Wales is a very good location.

The rooms then were $175/night,pretty reasonable for the time.I'll have to see what current rates are like...

June 14th, 2008, 06:24 PM
Hof. Nice to read of your experience at the Hotel Wales.

I just checked it out for a single room (one person) in late September, price came up at $380 per night, total $2660.

Out of my range I think.

July 7th, 2008, 12:33 AM

I'm planning on staying 14 nights on Ye Olde Carlton Arms Hotel (www.carltonarms.com (http://www.carltonarms.com)).

Anyone got a word on that hotel?


The Benniest
July 7th, 2008, 12:35 AM
There are photos and reviews here (http://www.tripadvisor.com/Hotel_Review-g60763-d112017-Reviews-Carlton_Arms-New_York_City_New_York.html) at TripAdvisor.

July 9th, 2008, 03:51 AM

Fenella Fudge
July 31st, 2008, 08:55 AM

We have booked to come to NY in Sept 08.
We have already booked into the Library Hotel and have read the reviews on TripAdvisor but just wondered if anyone on here has any personal experience of the hotel or any good restaurants in the area.

Also I last visited in Feb 03 around Valentines. My ex at the time booked us into somewhere (I say somewhere as I cant remember where it was) for a meal and to watch an old movie. I'm sure it was very close to St Patricks Cathedral but I cant for the life of me remember what it was.
I have a sneaky feeling that it was actually in the church or an ajoining building. Does anyone know anything about this? Do they still show the old movies and do dinner? I remember dessert being wonderful!

Anyhow its been nice reading everyones posts - very informative!

Thanks Jo.

July 31st, 2008, 09:38 AM
last summer I stayed at a double bedroom at The Lucerne Hotel (www.thelucernehotel.com). it was a great choice! nice bathroom, 2 huge beds, flatscreen, complimentary wireless internet,....

August 6th, 2008, 08:56 PM
Might as well share a few of my experiences too...

Embassy Suites at Battery Park; very good, spacious rooms, prices in the 400-500 range, but same price if you're staying with 4 people, so for families I imagine it's pretty good.

Milford Plaza; absolute crap. Prices are top level due to its proximity to Times Square / Theater district - the rooms are tiny, dirty, old, worn down, shower temperatures are absolutely random and the bathrooms are so claustrophobic you're going to want to open the door to brush your teeth.

The Roosevelt Hotel; so far my favorite in NYC, the atmosphere is great. You'll find hotels with better standards for sure, but this place really has soul, unlike the typical Hilton, Sheraton's and whatnot.

Waldorf; everyone should stay here at least once. Kinda like Roosevent in that it's about the atmosphere and soul of the place, quality you can find better elsewhere, but it's an experience in itself.

August 23rd, 2008, 05:58 AM
Is it really possible that the hotel prices went up 100% from last year? I was with my bf in Portland Square Hotel on W47th street last August and paid weekday night $159 and weekend night $179. I checked the same hotel and now they would charge for October, which isn't really a peak season, $349 for a night! :eek: I mean, what happened? That was a budget hotel. I don't know if they upgraded or something, but these prices are wild. We are considering renting an apartment for a night or two, because that seems much more affordable.

August 28th, 2008, 03:51 PM
You sure $159 a night is correct? For NYC that is very cheap. That being said, I wouldn't rule out that hotels are compensating a bit for the weak USD to EUR (and everything else) rates.

August 28th, 2008, 07:51 PM
There are those "off-weeks" when prices drop way down. Lucky if you can plan travel around them (but have to avoid Fashion Week(s), NYC Marathon, Holidays, etc. etc. etc.).

September 2nd, 2008, 09:04 AM
You sure $159 a night is correct? For NYC that is very cheap. That being said, I wouldn't rule out that hotels are compensating a bit for the weak USD to EUR (and everything else) rates.

Yep! It was $159 on a weekdays and $179 on weekends. But we reserved the room 5 months before our arrival, so that might be one of the reasons also. Now, we can only look around for apartments for one night or just come with the bus in the morning and leave back to Baltimore in the evening. :(

September 3rd, 2008, 07:36 PM
Yeah, 5 months in advance would certainly help... anyway, should be possible to find something at a decent price if you're willing to take a few minutes on the subway at least.

September 3rd, 2008, 08:18 PM

September 4th, 2008, 10:06 AM
There are those "off-weeks" when prices drop way down. Lucky if you can plan travel around them (but have to avoid Fashion Week(s), NYC Marathon, Holidays, etc. etc. etc.).

How do you find out when those 'off-weeks' are?

September 4th, 2008, 11:23 AM
Is Fashion Week showing?

Is the NY Marathon running?

Is the Pope in town?

Is there a major holiday?

Is it Fleet Week?

Is it time for the US Open?

Is school out?

Is it anytime between Thanksgiving & New Years (plus the week before & after).

If the answer to any of those ^ is YES then chances are prices will not be low.

Also dependent upon major conventions.

You might go to www.nyc.com (http://www.nyc.com) and dig around there to try and piece it together.

Seems that nowadays the tourists are here in full force 24 / 7 / 365 :cool:

But lots of new hotels are coming on line in the next year, so maybe there will be opportunities for new deals.

The Benniest
December 22nd, 2008, 01:50 AM
Has anyone ever heard anything good/bad about the Hotel Newton (http://reservations.hotelscheap.org/hotel/overview.aspx?hotelid=515289&checkindate=1%2f3%2f2009&checkoutdate=1%2f9%2f2009&numrooms=1&adultsineachroom=1) on the West Side?

I would really like to get back to the city before school starts up again, but am going to paying for this trip straight outta my pocket, with no help from my mom.... So I need a cheap hotel, on top of the "return" (dang it) flight back to Iowa... :confused:

If anyone knows of other inexpensive, yet not mold infested hotels, please let me know..

Thanks so much!!


December 22nd, 2008, 04:53 PM
if you're on a budget, why not stay at a hostel?

i've been looking around some places since i'm heading for a quick 2 day visit in feburary, and found http://www.l-hostels.com/. from reviews that i've read online, it seems like a nice place if you just need a bed to spend the night. if you need a private room, they also have those.

The Benniest
December 22nd, 2008, 11:07 PM
Oh my!! :eek: That hostel you linked to looks incredible and is very low priced. I'm definitely looking into L Hostels now.

Thank you so much!


July 2nd, 2009, 06:18 AM
Me and my girlfriend are thinking of coming to New York for a week either from 29th March or 5th April 2010. We have a budget of around $160 dollars per night max. At the moment we are considering the Colonial House Inn in Chelsea or the Chelsea Lodge, however we will only be 20 when we arrive. Does anyone know any hotels around our price range that will accept under 21's. Have looked at a few hostels but would really prefer a hotel.


July 2nd, 2009, 07:16 AM
Cosmopolitan as a hotel: not glamorous, but very clean. Good value, great location.

bill schintler
July 26th, 2009, 08:29 PM
Has anyone stayed there - has anyone had a BAD experience there? I've read several less then favorable reviews of the new Gansevoort a few blocks away - described as an "overpriced party hotel with an attitude".... I'm interested in staying in that area next month when I visit - I'd like to stay closer to $200/night, but I'll go higher for nicer and new accomodations.


It looks like any floor on the Standard gives at least a decent view...

- bill

July 28th, 2009, 09:21 AM
Look HERE (http://www.wirednewyork.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3459).

Post # 304 thru 307 have info for you.

February 5th, 2010, 10:22 PM
A Helmsley hotel plans to close

The 192-room Helmsley Middletowne Hotel, on East 48th Street, between Second and Park avenues, will shut its doors in May after its lease expires, according to state filings.

The Helmsley Middletowne Hotel, one of four Manhattan hotels in the late Leona Helmsley's estate, plans to close its doors in May, according to a filing with the New York State Department of Labor. The 192-room hotel's lease will expire after 82 years of hospitality services at 148 East 48th St., between Second and Park avenues. It's the first major hotel closure since 2005, according to John Fox of PKF Consulting, who noted that hotel occupancy rates have been climbing since the middle of 2009.

This closure will not affect any of the other Helmsley-brand hotels, including the New York Helmsley, which has 776 rooms, and Park Lane, with 587 rooms, according to Helmsley Estates spokesman Howard Rubenstein.

The Helmsley Middletowne shuttering will affect 79 employees, including 25 who are members of the New York Hotel & Motel Trades Council. The employees in the union are covered by the industry-wide agreement, which states that employees who lose their jobs because of hotel closures must be given preference for jobs in union hotels, said John Turchiano, a spokesman for the council.

Sources speculated that this closure is tied to the winding down of Ms. Helmsley's estates.

Ms. Helmsley, also known as the “Queen of Mean,” was married to real estate mogul Harry Helmsley. When he died in 1997, he left her with his entire fortune, which included the Empire State Building and a number of hotels. Ms. Helmsley died in 2007, leaving $4 billion of her estate to the Leona M. and Harry B. Helmsley Charitable Trust.


February 6th, 2010, 10:22 AM
She had a desk set up in the lounge area of the Helmsley's lobby, from which she surveyed the scene and issued commands to her employees. Hands on.

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May 4th, 2010, 05:56 AM
We are finally back from our week in New York. And I can't deny it: WE LOVE YOUR CITY!!! Both of us want to go back as soon as possible. We just can't stop thinking about your incredible city!!!
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May 10th, 2010, 01:35 PM
Cool. Thank you for the follow up and glad you had a good time.

March 11th, 2011, 11:29 PM
Web page weaves together building’s rich history

By Albert Amateau

The Albert French Restaurant circa 1963 sported a model
of the Eiffel Tower in its sidewalk cafe.

Residents of The Albert, where rock bands and their groupies hung out and where a colorful restaurateur offered tours of Greenwich Village in “a sightseeing train” designed by Salvador Dali a generation ago, have been bitten by the history bug.

And they’re still eager to learn more about the complex of four buildings at the corner of University Place and E. 10th St. that was built between the 1860’s and the 1920’s.

“We’re finding things about the building from different sources all the time,” said Arlene Goldman, board president of The Albert, which was converted from the old Hotel Albert into a residential co-op in 1975. She reminded a reporter for The Villager that the newspaper’s editorial office in the 1940’s was in the hotel basement.

Last year, the board commissioned Anthony Robbins to look into the origins of the Hotel Albert, and in May 2010, Robbins completed a 102-page history of the buildings. Goldman said that by the end of this month the Robbins history and other memorabilia and photos will be online at a new Web site, www.thehotelalbert.com (http://www.thehotelalbert.com) .

The Web site will be a work in progress, said Goldman. Village neighbors with memorabilia, clippings, photos and personal memories about The Albert can e-mail them to yourstory@thehotelalbert.com .

“Tony [Robbins] is still finding new information,” she said. “As things come in we’ll add them, but we want to get the Web site live as soon as possible,” said Goldman, whose interest in city lore has led her to become a member of the Municipal Art Society.

The Web site will show classic black-and-white photos from more than 50 years ago by Robert Otter of the former Albert French Restaurant on University Place at E. 10th St. Ned Otter, the photographer’s son (who maintains the Web site www.robertotter.com (http://www.robertotter.com)) and a vendor at various outdoor Village locations, including at the annual Washington Square Art Exhibit, made the photos available for The Albert Web site.

Albert residents Yael Alpert, Debbie Glasserman and Paul Maidment have been looking for cyber links to historic documents for the Web site, which now extends to seven pages. Liam McCormack, The Albert’s superintendent, has become a devoted contributor to the building’s historic trove.

A Life magazine page from 1963 shows Joseph Brody, the Czech-born restaurateur who owned the Albert French Restaurant, picketing the State Liquor Authority in a tux and top hat, charging the authority with corruption. It was Brody who ran the sightseeing train — with a tractor pulling two cars designed by Dali — around the Village in 1959, according to Robbins’s history. Press notices of the time said the tours ran at the whim of the operator. In 1960, a red school bus replaced the train, and in October of that year, the city put a halt to the tours because they were not licensed. Brody donated the bus to the Bronx Zoo. In 1968, Brody featured an all-you-can-eat steak dinner at the Albert French Restaurant for $3.25.

What started in 1882 as a respectable seven-story commercial hotel built by Albert S. Rosenbaum, who made his fortune with a San Francisco tobacco company and presumably gave his first name to the hotel, grew in subsequent years. In 1892, the adjacent five-story St. Stephen’s Hotel on E. 11th St., built sometime before 1866, was connected to The Albert. A 12-story addition was built on University Place in 1903, and in 1922, the five-story addition on the northeast corner of E. 10th St. and University Place was built.

The Albert was where the New York State Anti-Saloon League had its 1901 convention. The New York Latin Club and its affiliate the New York Classics Club (for scholars of ancient Greek) met there in the early 20th century, along with the state Chemistry Teachers Club. For $1 a day (for a room with a bath down the hall) and $2 a day for a room with bath, guests could stay in “the only absolutely fireproof hotel below 23rd St.” in 1906. The dining room had a 75-cent dinner — bluefish, sautéd chicken, roast beef or baked ham, with blue point oysters or soup, for starters.

In 1906, Ivan Ivanovich Norodny of the Russian Military Revolutionary Party stayed at The Albert for a while. The poet Hart Crane was a guest there in 1919 and again in 1926 while writing his symphonic poem “Brooklyn Bridge.” Thomas Wolfe, who was an English instructor at New York University four blocks away, stayed at The Albert in the 1920’s. In “Of Time and the River” Wolfe called it the Hotel Leopold. The writer Richard Wright was a guest at The Albert for a day in 1949 before sailing for France.

But in 1960, Anais Nin, the novelist who was a guest for a while, wrote that The Albert was “full of students, all night saxophones — bathroom down the hall.” In the following years, The Albert was known for “harboring rock groups and ragamuffins for sex of every description.” The Paul Butterfield Blues Band were guests; Canned Heat jammed there with Cream. The Mamas & the Papas, The Lovin’ Spoonful, Mothers of Invention, Tim Buckley and Jim Morrison all hung out at The Albert with their groupies.

However, by 1972 The Albert was described as a welfare hotel and many of its rooms were converting to single-room-occupancy (S.R.O.). In 1974, there were 141 crimes and misdemeanors reported at The Albert, including 58 burglaries, 13 robberies, three rapes and a homicide, according to the Robbins history.

Gentrification came in 1975 when Rockrose Development Corporation acquired the buildings for $1.5 million and spent $2.8 million for renovation, plus $1 million for financing.

But the change did not come without struggle; the previous landlord began evicting and buying out old tenants. The number of tenants was reduced from 350 to 35 by the time the renovation began. The neighborhood was split between those who supported the tenants and a group supporting the landlord.

A compromise was reached when tenants who refused to leave come hell or high water agreed to move into one of the buildings while the other three buildings were renovated, and then move into renovated apartments. One holdout was an 80-year-old woman who had been a hotel guest in 1948.

At its height as a hotel, The Albert had 500 rooms. The renovation created 204 co-op units.

“We have 192 units now after a few of us combined adjacent apartments,” Goldman said this week. There are also six tenants from the old days. “But none of them are original hotel residents,” she said.


March 12th, 2011, 04:08 PM
Stayed at the W New York last weekend for $120/nt Friday and Saturday. Cool hotel in a good location. The rooms were TINY but they were trendy. Beware of the minibar! ($12/nip!!!)

Didn't use any of the amenities, but the lobby was nice and had a cool place to chill and meet up with people.