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ablarc
March 19th, 2006, 11:10 AM
THE HIERARCHY OF BAD-MOUTHING

Fabrizio and Nick-Taylor having at it on the “World’s Greatest City” thread made me realize they could do what they were doing because they were from countries at similar levels on the Bad-Mouth Admissibility index (B-MAD).

Italy is perhaps a little less bad-mouthable than England, but not by much. Suppose instead Nick had been from the U.S. and Fabrizio from, say, Burkina Faso. They could not have bad-mouthed each other’s countries with such egalitarian abandon.


You can’t bad-mouth all groups equally as groups.

Some groups you can bad-mouth to your heart’s content. You can vilify fundamentalist Christians till the cows come home and beyond. Similarly you can say any number of bad things about the United States.

England, France and Germany, their people and their descendants, are legitimate targets for any slur you choose. Everyone agrees its OK to point out that the French are arrogant, the British cold and unfeeling, the Germans harsh, flatulent and sadistic. It’s even OK to refer to them as krauts, huns, limeys and frogs; folks from these countries are fair game.

Australians, Canadians and New Zealanders could join this group, but no disparaging tags are applied to them yet; they're too mild-mannered for anyone to think of anything bad to say about them (oh, I just did, but it was mild…).

You can freely denounce Israel, you can even claim they're the new Nazis, but you have to be careful what you say about Jews (except of course when they’re supporting Israel).

You can never say anything derogatory about the Bronx or its residents (except the ones from Riverdale or Co-op City).

Italians and European Spaniards score a rung below Northern Europeans on the B-MAD index. It’s OK to denounce them when their descendants move to the suburbs, or to remember their barbarous conquest of Mexico, but you can’t yet refer to them with the short, unhyphenated monikers assigned to them by honkies. “Italian-American” will have to do for now until they reach the status of the frogs and krauts.

Some groups, however, can do no wrong; they will never reach even this level on the B-MAD index.

Curiously, the more members of certain groups feel free to brand others with hateful slurs (and back those slurs with actual hate crimes) the lower their score on the B-MAD index; lowest on the bad-mouth admissibility index are those who hate the most and express their loathing with epithets and action. Every videotaped beheading or anti-semitic pronouncement comes with a recitation of the satanic crusaders' culpability, but since the group expressing hatred is one satanic crusaders can't bad-mouth, folks from among the satanic crusaders assign the onus to their own group instead; you have to blame somebody.

You’d think maybe that this was motivated by a moderate’s desire to give good example to the errant, but since the example’s not being taken it must be one of those weird bible-thumper notions.

How many derogatory slurs do you know for an imam who advocates the murder of cartoonists?

OK, all you crackers, honkies and rednecks (and the rest of you) out there, here’s one you know the answer to: Who’s the Great Satan?

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deezee
March 20th, 2006, 10:41 AM
OK, all you crackers, honkies and rednecks (and the rest of you) out there, here’s one you know the answer to: Who’s the Great Satan?


george w. bush (or whoever's pulling his strings)

great post by the way...

ablarc
March 20th, 2006, 02:35 PM
Some groups you can bad-mouth to your heart’s content.
Twenty-seven-plus hours, roughly fifty views and a post chock full of ethnic slurs, and not one murmur of complaint. Can you imagine if…

Q.E.D.

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george w. bush (or whoever's pulling his strings)

You mean this guy? The Great Satan and his lieutenant, plus some members of peaceful groups, low on the B-MAD index:

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BrooklynRider
March 22nd, 2006, 01:57 PM
I thought Italians and Greeks fall into the same category as French, English and Germans. Italians are the Guinea-WOPs and Greeks, of course, are Sheep-F*ckers.

ablarc
March 23rd, 2006, 05:40 PM
More news from the religion of peace...


Afghan Clerics Demand Convert Be Killed

By DANIEL COONEY, Associated Press Writer March 23, 2006.
KABUL, Afghanistan - Senior Muslim clerics demanded Thursday that an Afghan man on trial for converting from Islam to Christianity be executed, warning that if the government caves in to Western pressure and frees him, they will incite people to "pull him into pieces."

In an unusual move, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice telephoned President Hamid Karzai on Thursday seeking a "favorable resolution" of the case of Abdul Rahman. The 41-year-old former medical aid worker faces the death penalty under Afghanistan’s Islamic laws for becoming a Christian.
His trial has fired passions in this conservative Muslim nation and highlighted a conflict of values between Afghanistan and its Western backers.

"Rejecting Islam is insulting God. We will not allow God to be humiliated.
This man must die," said cleric Abdul Raoulf, who is considered a moderate and was jailed three times for opposing the Taliban before the hard-line regime was ousted in 2001.

The trial, which began last week, has caused an international outcry.
President Bush has said he is "deeply troubled" by the case and expects the country to "honor the universal principle of freedom."

Rice spokesman Sean McCormack said she told Karzai it is important for the Afghan people to know that freedom of religion is observed in their country. But in deference to the country's sovereignty, Rice evidently did not demand specifically that the trial be halted and the defendant released.

"This is clearly an Afghan decision," McCormack said. "They are a sovereign country."

Still, Rice's direct appeal to a foreign leader in a judicial proceeding in their own country is an unusual move.

German Chancellor Angela Merkel told reporters she had received assurances from Karzai in a telephone call that Rahman would not be sentenced to death.
"I have the impression that he (Karzai) has a firm willingness" to abide by the human rights requirements, Merkel said going into pre-European Union summit talks. "I hope we will be able to resolve this."

Diplomats have said the Afghan government is searching for a way to drop the case. On Wednesday, authorities said Rahman is suspected of being mentally ill and would undergo psychological examinations to see whether he is fit to stand trial.

But three Sunni preachers and a Shiite one interviewed by The Associated Press in four of Kabul's most popular mosques said they do not believe Rahman is insane.

"He is not crazy. He went in front of the media and confessed to being a Christian," said Hamidullah, chief cleric at Haji Yacob Mosque.

"The government is scared of the international community. But the people will kill him if he is freed."

Raoulf, who is a member of the country's main Islamic organization, the Afghan Ulama Council, agreed. "The government is playing games. The people will not be fooled."

"Cut off his head!" he exclaimed, sitting in a courtyard outside Herati Mosque. "We will call on the people to pull him into pieces so there's nothing left."

He said the only way for Rahman to survive would be for him to go into exile.
But Said Mirhossain Nasri, the top cleric at Hossainia Mosque, one of the largest Shiite places of worship in Kabul, said Rahman must not be allowed to leave the country.

"If he is allowed to live in the West, then others will claim to be Christian so they can too," he said. "We must set an example. ... He must be hanged."

The clerics said they were angry with the United States and other countries for pushing for Rahman's freedom.

"We are a small country and we welcome the help the outside world is giving us. But please don't interfere in this issue," Nasri said. "We are Muslims and these are our beliefs. This is much more important to us than all the aid the world has given us."

Afghanistan's constitution is based on Shariah law, which is interpreted by many Muslims to require that any Muslim who rejects Islam be sentenced to death.

Hamidullah warned that if the government frees Rahman, "there will be an uprising" like one against Soviet occupying forces in the 1980s.
"The government will lose the support of the people," he said. "What sort of democracy would it be if the government ignored the will of all the people."

Meanwhile, human rights group Amnesty International said if Rahman has been detained solely for his religious beliefs, he would be a "prisoner of conscience."

"The charges against him should be dropped and if necessary he should be protected against any abuses within the community," the London-based group said in a statement.

Rahman is believed to have lived in Germany for nine years after converting to Christianity while working as a medical aid worker for an international Christian group helping Afghan refugees in Pakistan. He returned to Kabul in 2002.

It was not immediately clear when Rahman's trial will resume. Authorities have barred attempts by the AP to see him and he is not believed to have a lawyer.

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Is it OK to be upset about this?

Or only if we blame US?

lofter1
March 23rd, 2006, 07:02 PM
This ^^ is so dis-spiriting.

Where does one even begin to attempt to reason with people of this mind?

ablarc
March 23rd, 2006, 08:10 PM
Well, you can start by not so elaborately "respecting" the religion. It's misrepresented as a religion of peace, and the "lunatic fringe" of Islam is in fact pretty much the mainstream.

Here's something you can do to inform yourself: read the Koran. You'll find it's an eye-opener.

The folks you see with the messages of hate are not the fringe. We're all called by Muhammad to be extremists. Who ever heard of lukewarm religion anyway?

Fabrizio
March 23rd, 2006, 08:23 PM
" .....the "lunatic fringe" of Islam is in fact pretty much the mainstream."

Ablarc, just a question... do you personally know any muslims?

ablarc
March 23rd, 2006, 08:45 PM
Ablarc, just a question... do you personally know any muslims?
Currently I have a muslim client with whom I have grown quite friendly. I find him warm, honorable and personable. In other ways he's a mixed bag, like all of us. He misses no opportunities, for example, to disparage African-Americans, to whom he sells used cars in a razor-wire compound.

He's very critical of America at times. At other times he spontaneously exclaims, "God I love this country! Here it is possible to be free." He refers to his "escape" from the Middle East but returns annually to visit relatives, where, he tells me he's careful not to praise America.

He has an extremist's personality in pretty much everything that he does. Sometimes that's endearing, sometimes not.

I used to teach. About 15% of my students were from the Middle East. They got me interested in Islam; that's how I read the Koran. They pretty much all had streaks of hotheadedness in them that would seem unreasonable to Westerners; reading the Koran made that trait's origin obvious.

Fabrizio
March 23rd, 2006, 09:10 PM
"They pretty much all had streaks of hotheadedness in them that would seem unreasonable to Westerners..."

How funny.... I was talking to a client of mine (Italian but born in Libya) a while ago about his muslim clients from the Emerates, Dubai and Iran ...and about how cool, calm and collected, how absolutely classy they would always be in negotiations (fashion business)....certainly compared to us antsy agressive Italians...

"They pretty much all had streaks of hotheadedness in them that would seem unreasonable to Westerners"

LOL. I really don´t know what you´re talking about. I lived in NYC when the murder rate was 1000...1500....2000 murders a year. How many of those murders were commited by hot-headed Muslims? Gee.... come to think of it .... how many World Wars have they started and how many atomic bombs or tons of napalm have they dropped? What on earth are you saying?. "hotheadedness in them that would seem unreasonable to Westerners..." ??

The nut-case populations you are showing us in the photos you are posting are well known .... but perhaps you might want to show some photos of Tunisia, Morrocco, the Maldives.... how many Muslims are there in the world? 1 and a half BILLION?

ablarc
April 9th, 2006, 09:37 PM
The nut-case populations you are showing us in the photos you are posting are well known .... but perhaps you might want to show some photos of Tunisia, Morrocco, the Maldives.... how many Muslims are there in the world? 1 and a half BILLION?
Too bad most of them don't live in Tunisia, Morocco or the Maldives.

Ninjahedge
April 10th, 2006, 10:14 AM
Too bad most of them don't live in Tunisia, Morocco or the Maldives.


That's the POINT you idgit.

ablarc
April 10th, 2006, 10:19 AM
Maybe we should encourage them to move.

Ninjahedge
April 10th, 2006, 10:31 AM
Maybe we should encourage them to move.

Abl. You know what he was saying is that not all Muslims are like what you are describing. Saying that the ones that you have shown in the pictures do not live where he said does not make any of them less Muslim.

You know this. Stop trying to split hairs and just let it go.