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krulltime
March 31st, 2006, 10:28 PM
This project is about to finally break ground in April...


The Edge: A 1,300-unit apartment complex which will span over one million square feet on the Brooklyn waterfront.


http://i.pbase.com/o4/55/435155/1/58002405.Edge.JPG


The 'Burg to Get Edge-ier


By Phil Guie
Thursday, March 30, 2006

The first major development on the waterfront in the wake of the rezoning is set to break ground in April, and developers were making their pitch to the local board last week.

Community Board 1 was visited by Vice President Matthew Feldman of the real estate firm Douglaston Development. His team displayed drawings of Douglaston's upcoming 1,300-unit apartment complex "The Edge," which will span over one million square feet and feature 300 units of affordable housing as required by the Inclusionary Housing Program. Rents for the low-budget units have been set at $1,100 a month for a two-bedroom apartment.

Feldman said he expects The Edge - which will include two luxury towers as well as mid-size buildings for the affordable housing- to grow the local economy by bringing in "new supermarkets, liquor stores, dry cleaners" and other businesses. He said there would be a waterfront esplanade, along with water taxis to offset the flood of extra passengers on the L-train.

Not everyone in the audience, however, shared Feldman's optimism for the project. For example, Philip DePaolo from People's Firehouse Inc. said $1,100 a month was pretty steep for what is traditionally a working-class neighborhood. "This community board has an average AMI of $28,000," he told the Star. "Who are these apartments aimed at? A family with a $28,000 a year budget can't touch these apartments, or a huge chunk of their income would go towards paying the rent."

DePaolo said he had asked Feldman what it would take to lower the rents. The veep said more subsidies would help - a prospect DePaolo said was unlikely. "The problem is, they're already getting large subsidies from the city," he said. "They purchased the land right after the rezoning, so they bought it for a very low cost."

Overall, DePaolo said he could not blame Douglaston Development for angling to grab as much money as they can - not with the current administration encouraging it. "They're just going to go with what the city gave them, and the city gave them a lot," he said. "But that's just the reality of this nightmare rezoning."


Copyright @ The Ledger.

antinimby
March 31st, 2006, 11:12 PM
Vice President Matthew Feldman of the real estate firm Douglaston Development...Feldman said he expects The Edge - which will include two luxury towers as well as mid-size buildings for the affordable housing- to grow the local economy by bringing in "new supermarkets, liquor stores, dry cleaners" and other businesses.Foot goes.
In mouth.
These vice presidents of development companies aren't the brightest people around, are they?

With a name like The Edge, you'd think the design could be...say, edgier? But no, this is New York where dullness lives and works.

czsz
March 31st, 2006, 11:26 PM
So the East River is going to resemble Miami?

Derek2k3
April 1st, 2006, 12:52 AM
basically...except the water is just a slightly different shade of blue.


Miami skyline coming to East River, Shvo says
March 16, 1:52 pm (http://www.therealdeal.net/)

Michael Shvo, above, says rapid residential growth is headed to the waterfront of Queens and Brooklyn.
The waterfront in Greenpoint, Williamsburg, and Long Island City will look like the Miami skyline in five years, according to Michael Shvo, president of Shvo Marketing. Shvo also said in a recent interview that the far West Side in the 40s and 50s should see a lot of fresh residential development in the near future. more [Metro]

alibrot
April 1st, 2006, 04:22 PM
so 1100 a month steep for a 2 bedroom? that's about the market price for a rent controlled walkup one bedroom in astoria.

AMI of 28,000? that's a couple (or 2 roommates) earning $7 an hour each, working 40 hours a week. and that's AVERAGE? Where do these numbers come from, and do they count people who dont work all?

If 1100 a month is too steep, why dont we just have a lottery and give them away. What is this guy looking for?

And a "nightmare rezoning"...haha. Yep. Imagine people living in nyc. Imagine services. What a nightmare. This Depaolo guy needs therapy.

TLOZ Link5
April 1st, 2006, 06:06 PM
So the East River is going to resemble Miami?

If you ask me, the average Miami apartment tower is vastly more interesting than the average New York one.

lofter1
April 1st, 2006, 07:07 PM
This Depaolo guy needs therapy.
Seems the People's Firehouse group does some good_work (http://www.nofirecuts.com/html/peoples_firehouse.html) ...

Plus they have this fascinating_tidbit (http://www.nofirecuts.com/html/chl_7_hall_of_shame.html) on their website.

Info on this area (Brooklyn Community District 1) is available HERE (http://www.nyc.gov/html/dcp/pdf/lucds/bk1profile.pdf)

Although if you look in that document at the numbers for the individual Census Tracks in the surrounding areas it seems that DePaolo has mis-stated some numbers -- to the low side.

However the immediate area where these buildings are going up (CT 577) are hard to gauge because that waterfront area has just recently been re-zoned for residential (in fact, in 2000 100% of the residential structures in that CT were shown to have been built BEFORE 1950). 1990 Census shows it had just 67 residents; that bumped up to 123 residents by 2000; the 2000 census for CTs immediately surrounding this area show that most had many hundreds to many thousands of residents.

JMGarcia
April 1st, 2006, 08:44 PM
If you ask me, the average Miami apartment tower is vastly more interesting than the average New York one.

I'll second that. At least they don't used exposed floor slabs in the facade as architectural details.

NoyokA
April 1st, 2006, 11:13 PM
I thought Enrique Norten was designing this one...?

lofter1
April 2nd, 2006, 12:09 AM
You're right, according to THIS (http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/30/arts/design/30nort.html?ex=1144126800&en=9b3a8bde4dc72ae7&ei=5070) article from the NY Times last year.

And the images shown above are from the TEN Arquitectos website (http://www.ten-arquitectos.com/theedge.html) .

NoyokA
April 2nd, 2006, 12:22 AM
You're right, according to THIS (http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/30/arts/design/30nort.html?ex=1144126800&en=9b3a8bde4dc72ae7&ei=5070) article from the NY Times last year.

And the images shown above are from the TEN Arquitectos website (http://www.ten-arquitectos.com/theedge.html) .

Enrique Norten would never design something like whats shown on the bottom right hand corner of the sequence. Its possible Norten did the site plan and the buildings were designed by another architect.

Kris
April 2nd, 2006, 08:08 AM
Looks like Norten did the preliminary design then was thanked.

lofter1
April 2nd, 2006, 11:55 AM
Enrique Norten would never design something like whats shown on the bottom right hand corner of the sequence. Its possible Norten did the site plan and the buildings were designed by another architect.
You might be right -- that last image is NOT on their website.

ablarc
April 2nd, 2006, 12:23 PM
Nice spatial sequence in that Norten site plan; it enlists the adjacent buildings into an overall composition that is both dynamic and dramatic if experienced in motion, heading towards the water.

Too bad the second architect isn't up to snuff; I think the concept will get lost.

infoshare
April 2nd, 2006, 02:09 PM
Nice spatial sequence in that Norten site plan; it enlists the adjacent buildings into an overall composition that is both dynamic and dramatic if experienced in motion, heading towards the water.

Too bad the second architect isn't up to snuff; I think the concept will get lost.

NY Times
By ROBIN POGREBIN
Mr. Norten said he was mystified but gratified by his current flurry of New York commissions. "I'm very honored that all of this work is coming to us and that we're getting the trust of the city," he said. http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/30/arts/design/30nort.html?ex=1144126800&en=9b3a8bde4dc72ae7&ei=5070

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Well,,,,,he has been getting RAVE reviews here on NYWired in the last year or so........just Maaaabee.....that has something to do with it......or :( only wishful thinking.....cheers

Teno
April 2nd, 2006, 08:18 PM
I guess you can argue for better architecture, but in all honesty those renderings look a thousand times better than what's there now.

$1100 for two bedrooms is not bad considering Williamsburg rents are on a 45 degree climb.

I lived in Williamsburg from 1999 to 2003. I had a one bedroom railroad. The apartment was actually quite large with four large rooms and a bathroom.

In 2001 the rent went up to $1250, by late 2003 my lease was up and the landlord was raising rent to $1400, that was my signal to move on.

ddjiii
April 2nd, 2006, 10:09 PM
DePaolo said he had asked Feldman what it would take to lower the rents. The veep said more subsidies would help - a prospect DePaolo said was unlikely. "The problem is, they're already getting large subsidies from the city," he said. "They purchased the land right after the rezoning, so they bought it for a very low cost."


This is the part that I can't understand. If the company bought the land BEFORE the rezoning, then you would expect them to get it for a low cost. But after? And where exactly is the subsidy? The company gets to build a lot of apartments, for which they have to make something less than 25% of them affordable to some degree. But the city is not giving out tax abatements or anything else like that. Or is this a 421B project?

Am I missing anything?

BrooklynRider
April 3rd, 2006, 03:14 PM
Neighborhood groups (funded by the Catholic Campaign for Human Development) fought tooth and nail for substantial increases in inclusionary housing, which they won in Spring 2005.

krulltime
May 3rd, 2006, 11:53 AM
http://i.pbase.com/o4/55/435155/1/59618154.BKEdge.JPG


So are both towers under construction already? Anybody knows?

krulltime
May 3rd, 2006, 12:01 PM
According to the Real Deal (May 2006 Issue)....


Williamsburg
164 Kent
164 Kent Avenue

The FX Fowle-designed condominium will be the first of three high-rise towers on the waterfront built by a joint venture of Toll Brothers, L & M Equity, and RD Management. The building's 180 units will range from studios to three-bedrooms, the Times reported. No information on the other two towers was available at press time.


Will this be those gray towers to the South of the Edge? Or is it the Edge?

This area of construction is not very clear. I wish there were more renderings and websites for these projects.

Eugenious
May 3rd, 2006, 08:01 PM
According to the Real Deal (May 2006 Issue)....




Will this be those gray towers to the South of the Edge? Or is it the Edge?

This area of construction is not very clear. I wish there were more renderings and websites for these projects.

So who's getting these apartments? It seems to me that 90% of all new construction if out of reach of 90% of the population of brooklyn.

For a student who makes around 40k a year, this is all so out of reach its not funny...

ryan
May 3rd, 2006, 09:16 PM
So are both towers under construction already? Anybody knows?

There's some fresh chain link...

yuppiegentrifier
May 4th, 2006, 07:35 AM
Is this the same site as the warehouse fire from Tuesday?

Derek2k3
May 13th, 2006, 08:09 PM
^Nope, that will be this.
http://www.gothamgazette.com/graphics/waterfront_05_06.jpg
Greenpoint District Terminal - Perkins Eastman Architects (http://www.perkinseastman.com/Pages/Projects.cfm?project=%25%25HW%2FZ%2DX%20%0A&subcategoryname=%2C%3DLZ8OXDS%2DU%2E%40FEY3%0A&startrow=4)



Will this be those gray towers to the South of the Edge? Or is it the Edge?

This area of construction is not very clear. I wish there were more renderings and websites for these projects.
The grey towers south of the Edge. Some permits have already been filed so I'm guessing they're already excavating.

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/7888/578/400/Toll%20Williamsburg%20JV.jpg
Polis (http://nycenvirons.blogspot.com/2006/04/toll-bros-condos.html)

antinimby
May 14th, 2006, 01:16 AM
Will this be those gray towers to the South of the Edge? Or is it the Edge?
This area of construction is not very clear. I wish there were more renderings and websites for these projects.It's not only you. I've given up on figuring out which is which. They all seem to look alike more or less.

lorcar
July 30th, 2007, 11:25 AM
any update on The Edge?

BrooklynRider
May 25th, 2009, 11:24 AM
This has a tower with low-rise base. The frontage on the water seems much more pleasing and possesses a design more conducive to being right on the water front. I imagine the river side of this development will be a nice place and a complement to the pier at Northside piers. The two Edge piers have not yet been built, but one of them is planned with lanscaping. This neighborhood and riverfront badly need it. Click thumbnails. Purely on impulse and first impressions, I'd prefer the Edge to Northside Piers.

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http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/BrooklynRiderRob/th_DSCN0591.jpg (http://s220.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/BrooklynRiderRob/?action=view&current=DSCN0591.jpg)

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http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/BrooklynRiderRob/th_DSCN0612.jpg (http://s220.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/BrooklynRiderRob/?action=view&current=DSCN0612.jpg)


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http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/BrooklynRiderRob/th_DSCN0592.jpg (http://s220.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/BrooklynRiderRob/?action=view&current=DSCN0592.jpg)

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http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/BrooklynRiderRob/th_DSCN0610.jpg (http://s220.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/BrooklynRiderRob/?action=view&current=DSCN0610.jpg)

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http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/BrooklynRiderRob/th_DSCN0602.jpg (http://s220.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/BrooklynRiderRob/?action=view&current=DSCN0602.jpg)

Merry
October 29th, 2009, 06:42 AM
Williamsburg's Edge Does a Bit of Trash Talking

October 27, 2009, by Joey

http://www.brownstoner.com/brownstoner/archives/the-edge-williamsburg-1009.jpg
(photo from Brownstoner (http://www.brownstoner.com/brownstoner/archives/2009/10/the_edge_is_mak.php))

The scramble for buyers in over-developed Williamsburg has led some developers and brokers to break ranks and turn on other new projects. Recently, in conversations both on-the-record (http://curbed.com/archives/2009/09/17/broker_new_burg_building_is_not_a_monster.php) and off, this snippiness has been directed at the Williamsburg Riviera—the glassy waterfront towers of Northside Piers and The Edge and the massive supply of new condos they represent. A gentle giant can only be poked so many times before he fights back, and The Edge is doing just that. In a press release that heightens the rhetoric, The Edge is "daring prospective buyers to compare it to other New York City developments." This "dare" comes in the form of a 70-item checklist, dubbed The Edge Comparison Sheet, that lays out the megacomplex's features and amenities (waterfall, communal fire pit, two landscaped gardens, etc.) and asks potential buyers to bring the list along to other buildings. To bang home the message, The Edge is offering free car service to potential buyers who wish to visit another building after touring Edgeville's model apartments and sales center. The building will also do your taxes and visit your grandparents in the old folks' home.

The Edge has famously resisted cutting asking prices, even as its big competition (http://curbed.com/archives/2009/02/05/curbed_pricechopper_northside_piers_flirts_with_a_ firesale.php) next door has pretty much massacred its lineup. Up until now the thinking has been time is on our side (http://curbed.com/archives/2009/07/20/the_edge_no_price_cuts_phase_ii_delayed.php), but with early 2010 occupancy creeping up and hundreds of units to sell, well, that's when you'd think the Chopper would make an appearance. Not yet. The cheapest listed unit, a $395,000 studio (http://www.streeteasy.com/nyc/sale/441048-condo-22-north-6th-street-williamsburg-brooklyn), is still going for $800 per square foot. And you won't find one item on this list related to price:

[Click to expand.]

http://curbed.com/uploads/2009_10_edge2-thumb.jpg (http://curbed.com/uploads/2009_10_edge2.jpg)

Edge (http://www.williamsburgedge.com/) [williamsburgedge.com]
Edge coverage (http://www.curbed.com/tags/edge) [Curbed]

http://curbed.com/archives/2009/10/27/williamsburgs_edge_does_a_bit_of_trash_talking.php #at

http://www.brownstoner.com/brownstoner/archives/2009/10/the_edge_is_mak.php