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April 13th, 2004, 09:50 AM
NY Post...



April 13, 2004 -- This ain't your grandfather's Red Hook.
The waterfront neighborhood of moody industrial streets could become a village of shops, apartments, restaurants and parks under a developer's proposal put forward as an alternative to a planned IKEA superstore.

The Swedish furniture giant is buying an old shipping building for a new megastore, but still requires city approval for a zoning change.

The IKEA project has split the neighborhood along color lines, with poorer African-Americans wanting the jobs, while middle-class whites oppose the traffic it would cause.

But supporters of the urban village alternative, proposed by Baltimore developer Struever Bros. Eccles & Rouse, say their idea would make everyone happy by creating more jobs and drawing less traffic through streets already full of trucks and buses.

"We're coming up with something much, much better," said John McGettrick, co-chair of the Red Hook Civic Association, who supports the village proposal. "There would be far more opportunities for Red Hook."

The 7-million-square- foot, mostly residential plan would also include retail and office space up to eight stories high and parks and recreation space. It would create at least 4,000 jobs, said developer Bill Struever.

The plan includes a three-mile promenade along the waterfront. IKEA's proposal features a one-mile walkway.

"The [area] is just gorgeous," Struever said. "They would tear every stick down and create a big parking lot and big box."

Struever's biggest hurdle is the $6 million per year in sales-tax revenue that IKEA claims it will generate for the city. The store would also create at least 500 jobs.

"This is not a big leap of faith," he argued. "You stand out there on the piers, and it's hard not to be excited."

But IKEA project manager Pat Smith snorted at the plan.

"By their own admission, they need 70 acres," he said. "Where are they going to get the property?"

Both ideas would rely on tax breaks and require city approval to change the zoning.

April 13th, 2004, 09:53 AM

TLOZ Link5
April 13th, 2004, 12:59 PM
Sounds a lot like Baltimore's Inner Harbor. This is one idea that's definitely worth considering.

Notice the Freedom Tower (God, I hate that name) in the background. Maybe that's an indication as to how long this project will take? :lol:

April 13th, 2004, 01:37 PM
It sounds and looks great, but big box stores have a history of defeating more sensible projects in Brooklyn.

April 18th, 2004, 01:45 PM
New York Daily News
April 18, 2004

Red Hooked on Ikea

Officials rip alternate plan as 'fantasy'


Artist's rendering of Ikea megastore proposed for Red Hook waterfront.

In the latest salvo in the battle over the future of the Red Hook waterfront, some Brooklyn officials have blasted a counterproposal to Ikea's plans to build a warehouse outlet there, dubbing the new design "Fantasy Harbor."

The new plan calls for a South Street Seaport-like village of apartments, restaurants and shops on a sprawling 70-acre shipyard site between Richards and Columbia Sts.

Ken Adams, president of the Brooklyn Chamber of Commerce, ridiculed the proposal.

"I call it 'Fantasy Harbor,'" Adams said. "It's a blurry picture concocted by an out-of-town developer, superimposed over 70 acres of somebody else's land. Brooklyn needs real jobs and real investment."

Bill Struever, CEO of Struever Bros. Eccles & Rouse, the Baltimore-based development firm that drafted the Red Hook village concept, insisted that an Ikea home furnishings megastore would be a waste of Brooklyn's best waterfront property.

"The question for New York is this: Is a big-box store and a parking lot the best use of this historic site?" Struever asked. "Our plan would capture the magical character and spirit of Erie Basin, with its incredible views."

Struever Bros. Eccles & Rouse was asked last year by John McGettrick, co-chairman of the Red Hook Civic Association, to come up with an alternative proposal for the Ikea site.

"Ikea would be a one-shot thing where the traffic problems would outweigh the benefits," McGettrick said.

Other area groups said that they believed Ikea - and its solid promise of jobs - was the best option for Red Hook.

"We are strictly for Ikea," said Dorothy Shields, president of the Red Hook East Tenants Association. "Our big issue is jobs, and we need them very badly."

Leah Archibald, executive director of the Southwest Brooklyn Industrial Development Corp., said she was against the village concept because housing would squelch area businesses.

"If you spent half a million dollars for a waterfront condo, would you put up with a truck idling downstairs all day long?" she asked.

The contentious debate should heat up in the next few months - the Ikea bid will soon enter a land-use review process, according to the city planning department.

Within the year, however, the Swedish furniture giant will probably own the land for its 22-acre Red Hook outlet, which should be completed by mid-2006, sources said.

Ikea real estate director Patrick Smith said his company has been honing the project with Red Hook residents for the past two years.

Aspects of the plan include:

- Red Hook residents will get first crack at 600 jobs the new location will offer.

- Transportation options include a shuttle bus from nearby subways and a ferry capable of bringing 400 customers an hour from lower Manhattan.

- Ikea will license the Erie Basin piers and water rights to a local shipping company to maintain a working waterfront.

- The planned esplanade has been expanded from 4 acres to 6.3 acres, and parts of the historic dry dock will be preserved.

"Anyone can draw a pretty picture, but we've been out in the community for two years," Smith said.

Copyright 2004 Daily News, L.P.

June 15th, 2004, 07:00 AM
Ikea And Red Hook's Racial Divide (http://gothamgazette.com/article/landuse/20040615/12/1008)

July 29th, 2004, 12:25 PM
Red Hook Residents Continue Fight To Keep IKEA Off Waterfront

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JULY 28TH, 2004

A group of residents in a Brooklyn neighborhood continues the battle to keep a very big neighbor from moving in. Borough reporter Jeanine Ramirez brings us up to date.

Opponents of an IKEA in Red Hook protested outside a city planning commission hearing on the proposed mega-store Wednesday. Their last two efforts in the public review process have failed. The local community board and the Brooklyn borough president voted in favor of the furniture giant.

"This is the worst possible location," said Red Hook resident Lou Sones.

Opponents say a big box store doesn't belong on the waterfront and that the neighborhood can't handle the traffic. But IKEA officials say this spot is ideal and they're ready to invest $100 million in construction and infrastructure improvements here.

"We think it's the biggest private investment in Red Hook since World War II," said IKEA real estate developer Pat Smith.

IKEA is offering the community access to their waterfront by building a 6.5-acre esplanade and is promising to maintain some of the historical maritime significance of the area.

"We're going to keep a working waterfront," said Smith. "We're also going to keep a lot of the old elements of the shipyard, the cranes, a large portion of the dry dock will also stay.

And most important to the supporters of the project, is that IKEA will create 600 jobs that the company says will first go to neighborhood residents.

"My program had 498 kids in our basketball program and I would say more than half of those kids come to me and my brother every day for work and IKEA is going to support them with these jobs and give them opportunities," said Red Hook resident Ray Hall.

"I think the amount of jobs that they're offering is really not a tradeoff for destroying a historical resource that can't be replaced, for destroying a maritime industrial area that could be re-used for maritime use in order to make a retail store," said Red Hook resident Edie Stone.

The store would not only be the first IKEA in New York City, but company officials predict it would also be the best seller nationwide.

"It's a great store for us. We want to get it open as soon as possible," said Smith.

The city planning commission is expected to vote on the IKEA plan in early September. If it passes, it goes over to the City Council and the mayor.

While opponents hope city officials will stop the project, IKEA hopes to break ground by the end of the year.

Jeanine Ramirez

Copyright 2004 NY1 News.

July 29th, 2004, 12:33 PM
What happen to this Idea? This is totally much better for the waterfront than that IKEA Store. It will be bad for the area. Defenetly. If Red Hook wants better waterfront development just wait a little longer... it will catch up.



October 21st, 2004, 02:12 PM

City Council OKs Brooklyn Ikea

The City Council overwhelmingly approved Swedish furniture maker Ikea's plan to build a superstore in Red Hook, Brooklyn.

By a vote of 50-to-1, council members gave their OK for a new Ikea to be built on a 22-acre site that is presently occupied by abandoned buildings. Charles Barron, a Democrat, was the lone naysayer.

The company hopes to break ground on the $100 million, 346,000-square-foot store by the end of the year. The project, which has faced opposition from local residents whose concerns include traffic congestion, needs state and federal approval before it can move forward. Proponents say the store will create 600 new jobs.

If the project wins approval, the store will be Ikea's fifth tristate location and the company's first within city limits.

October 21st, 2004, 09:40 PM
What a terrible idea.

TLOZ Link5
October 22nd, 2004, 09:57 PM
What a terrible idea.

Agreed. As far-fetched as the Baltimore group's idea was, it certainly forwards the argument that Red Hook has so much potential that's being squandered for a box.

October 22nd, 2004, 10:24 PM
That giant parking lot just kills it. What kind of person trying to live in an urban enviroment would want to love around it?

October 22nd, 2004, 11:02 PM
Not me, why didnt they buidling towers with a department store on the street levels?? :roll:

November 23rd, 2006, 05:33 AM
November 23, 2006
Brooklyn: Lawsuit Over Red Hook Development

The Municipal Art Society has sued the Army Corps of Engineers for allowing the Swedish furniture giant Ikea to build a parking lot over a Civil War-era dry dock in Brooklyn next to a store it plans on the site. The suit, filed last week in Federal District Court, seeks to force the corps to conduct a review of the project under the National Historic Preservation Act. Joseph Roth, a spokesman for Ikea, said yesterday that the project had already passed a review by city, state and federal authorities. Sue Hopkins, a spokeswoman for the corps, declined to comment.

Copyright 2006 The New York Times Company

November 25th, 2006, 12:38 PM
I think these frivolous lawsuits are getting out of hand. There should be a way to punish someone who follows a lawsuit just because they don't like something.

December 5th, 2006, 10:01 AM
I don't think it is frivolous. The Red Hook area has some historic areas and buildings that ought to incorporated into the emerging retail /park area. The warehouses there are definitely worth landmarking and earmarking for adptive reuse (e.g., Fairway). IKEA has shown very little respect - if any - for the neighborhood's history. It has managed and moved forward with this project in a way that would make onethink they are seeking a complete public relations disaster. They have been inconsiderate as corporate citizens every step of the way, not the least of which is evident in their design and placement of this project.

December 5th, 2006, 10:55 AM
Yeah, these Municipal Art Society people are the worst kind of cretin. (I'm still not over "waterfront parking lot.")

December 5th, 2006, 11:56 AM
To translate your argument, you don't like the Ikea. Therefore, the suit is "not frivolous." You feel they've been insensitive, and should be sued because you don't like their public relations campaign.

And where is the legal issue that's significant enough to override the discretion of the New York City Council - for a judge to actually overturn the judgement of an elected body on a local zoning issue?

Right, there isn't a compelling one. People file these lawsuits simply because they can with impunity. There ought to be a way to countersue for harassment.

December 5th, 2006, 12:37 PM
The problem is the destruction of a historical area - doesn't matter who's doing the destroying (though Ikea has done this in other areas, so it's no hero). Courts exist to check the power (and misguided decisions) of elected bodies. (Elementary school civics that). People file lawsuits when their elected representatives let them down - just because you don't agree with them doesn't make them frivolous.

December 5th, 2006, 01:15 PM
What law says the legislature is required to preserve historic buildings if it doesn't want to? Answer: there is no such law. If there was such a law, the city wouldn't be able to overrule the landmarks preservation committe on Austin Nichols.

If the city granted Ikea a variance here, then there is no legal issue. This is a nuisance lawsuit to drive up construction costs.

A solution is to make these lawsuits "loser pays" or to allow a judge who rules a case frivolous to allow the landlord to sue the tenant for damages from construction and court delays.

December 5th, 2006, 01:38 PM
Your ideas for court reforms would do a lot to empower corporations at the expense of individuals. I don't think that would be a very good thing.

December 5th, 2006, 03:12 PM
What law says the legislature is required to preserve historic buildings if it doesn't want to? Answer: there is no such law...If the city granted Ikea a variance here, then there is no legal issue. This is a nuisance lawsuit to drive up construction costs.

I think you are missing another scenario in which elected officials of the legislature fail to represent constituent positions or where different constituencies exist under one representative. Anyone familiar with the development of IKEA understands and recalls how the company and Community Board divided the representative district by pitting the residents of the public housing against home owners in the area. IKEA appealed directly to the public housing population promising jobs to area residents (which was found entirely illegal under labor laws.) Personally, I believe most of their actions with regards to destroying historic buildings have been premeditated, malicious and with the sole purpose of paying retribution to those people who argued against IKEA on the grounds of preserving the historic aspects of the neighborhood, preventing excessive traffic in a relatively small neighborhood, and wanting to maintain access o the waterfront and traditional port businesses.

When you have a representative who is only representing half the population (and the neighborhood is nearly 50/50 split on the issue), you get lawsuits. I think Fairway did a decent job, so I'm hardly anti-development. IKEA on the other hand is illegally demolishing historically significant and architecturally handsome buildings to clear a site, when it could have followed the Fairway model and retrofitted an existing building, invite the community into development discussions and develop a space that is built showing respect and sensitivity to both blocks of citizenry.

This is no frivolous suit.

December 5th, 2006, 07:06 PM
Personally, I am glad that this lawsuit was filed. If Nyers continue to allow crap like this to be dumped in our neighborhoods the urban fabric that we all value, differentiating NY from some many other American cities, will be lost. And for those of you making the arguement that the city council already gave it approval, while it is true, we should be glad that there are concerned citizens/groups that have are forward thinking and consider more than just the short term benefits that Ikea has promised.

Thanks MAS!

December 13th, 2006, 09:16 PM
An alternative from MAS . . .

"Convinced that new buildings and big boats can coexist, the MAS turned to Preservation Committee member Harold Fredenburgh, AIA, a skilled architect of tall commercial buildings with a wealth of experience in accommodating parking structures in difficult sites. Fredenburgh developed two alternative site plans that would allow Ikea to construct its store and provide ample parking while preserving the graving dock and the jobs."

Not very detailed plans available, but here's some images that they have as part of their proposal.



December 13th, 2006, 10:12 PM
Red Hook Circa 1875

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May 8th, 2008, 03:03 PM
Ikea is under way in Red Hook

By Garett Sloane
7:19 PM EDT, May 7, 2008
Ikea Red Hook is almost open for business.

The idea incites delight in some and agony in others.

Who knew so much controversy could surround a Swedish furniture company with the community-minded motto "You Do a Little, We Do a Little and Together We Save a Lot"?

It's been about six years since Ikea proposed a store in Red Hook, throwing the community into a "bitter, bitter battle," said Lou Sones, a member of Community Board 6. The community was torn between jobs the store would create and the fear of disruption to the quiet neighborhood. Further, Ikea took over a gem of Red Hook: 22 acres along the Erie Basin with views of the Statue of Liberty and lower Manhattan.

"It's some of the most spectacular waterfront in all of New York," Sones said by phone yesterday. He voted against the Ikea and does not hide his opposition even still.

The manager at the new Ikea, Mike Baker, he's proud of the work his company's done in the neighborhood and the opportunities the store offers.

"The future of Red Hook is up and coming," he said. "What we've allowed is access to the waterfront that hasn't been accessible for decades. That in itself is hopeful for Red Hook."

A tour of the grounds yesterday revealed the sense of history at the once-working waterfront.

Part of the approval process required Ikea to preserve some of the site's maritime heritage: Four gantry cranes still stand; winches that were used for anchoring boats remain; chocks are inscribed with the names of old ships that visited. Lee Weintraub, who designed the waterfront, even tried to re-create the shadows of history: Sculptures cast criss-crossed patterns on the ground similar to the shadows ropes or masts might leave.

However, other landmarks are lost, like a dry dock used to fix ships and eight historic buildings that were torn down.

When the store opens June 18, up to 600 people will be working there, many from the area. Jovan Bennett, 20, of Flatbush, was in the store's cavernous warehouse yesterday where he works with inventory.

"Ikea here created a lot of jobs in the community," he said. "It's creating a lot of business for the community."

Joyce Richardson, 21, and Arlene Johnson, 19, both of Red Hook, work at the store, and they both said that in their circle people can't wait to get a glimpse of the new store.

"A lot of people ask: When's Ikea opening? When's Ikea opening?," Richardson said.

The two women are in the food service department, a key component at the store, where customers can eat Sweedish meatballs with a view of Lady Liberty out the window.

One Red Hook resident, Todd Jatras, won't even go to the Ikea for the furniture, but said he'll check out the Scandinavian delicacies.

But the graphic artist, 33, is not thrilled with "mellow" Red Hook's new neighbor: "My main concern is it's going to bring a lot of traffic," Jatras said over eggs at the Hope and Anchor. "Ikea's fine as long as it's in Long Island or New Jersey."

Copyright 2008, AM New York (http://www.amny.com/)


May 28th, 2008, 03:52 PM

From: NY Post



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The Ikea in Red Hook

May 28, 2008 -- The days of calling Red Hook "Dead Hook" are done.
Locals anticipate IKEA bringing more than Swedish meatballs and furniture to the isolated Brooklyn neighborhood when it opens a much-hyped superstore there June 18. Many are banking on it so flooding the sleepy streets with hordes of shoppers that it rejuvenates developers' interest in Red Hook's scores of long-vacant sites.
The signs are already there: Michael O'Connell, son of Red Hook real estate mogul Greg O'Connell, confirmed he's planning to fully restore and move the city's last rail-car diner from Manhattan to vacant land the family owns on Reed Street.
The 16,000-square-foot lot that will house Cheyenne Diner is strategically located off the main Van Brunt Street corridor across the street from a wildly popular Fairway supermarket the O'Connells brought in two years ago. And it's a couple of blocks from where IKEA is coming on Beard Street.
Greg O'Connell says he expects the IKEA invasion will have its biggest effect on Van Brunt Street. He said developers like him might begin scooping up vacant sites and filling them with first-floor retail storefronts and upper-level apartments.
"There is a lot of interest in bringing more restaurants here," he said.
The Post Monday counted at least 16 vacant lots and another 20 buildings with vacant storefronts or with "for rent" signs in its windows along the main drag, which runs 22 blocks from DeGraw Street south to the Erie Basin.
Meanwhile, more start-up businesses are coming to Red Hook's warehouses, including a winery featuring New York-grown grapes. And Van Brunt Street's current business owners also expect to profit from IKEA - even one who runs a competing, small furniture store.
"The more people heading into Red Hook, the more customers we will get," said Beatrice Giovanniello, who operates the furniture store Atlantis.
Borough President Marty Markowitz said he's confident that IKEA- which is bringing 600 new jobs to the area - will also "serve as a catalyst for future growth without taking away any of the character that has made Red Hook one of Brooklyn's most unique places to live and work."
But some longtime residents, like John McGettrick, co-chair of the Red Hook Civic Alliance, maintain IKEA will ruin the neighborhoods unique maritime character and that the neighborhood isn't ready to handle a massive increase in traffic.
There's also been speculation that IKEA's arrival will pave the way for much of Red Hook's industrial waterfront becoming Big Box retail or condos.
Developer Joe Sitt, who owns the former Revere Sugar Factory next to IKEA, has been trying to convince the city for a few years to rezone the waterfront so he could fill his 6-acre site with apartments and retail stores.
But O'Connell, who owns a bulk of the industrial waterfront property - about 1 million square feet - and has the greatest political influence in the neighborhood, doesn't want this "working waterfront" rezoned. He says he'd rather pass on the quick buck to ensure Red Hook doesn't lose its blue-collar persona.
O'Connell rents space in warehouses to 150 businesses that employ 1,200 workers. He praised the Bloomberg administration for not caving in to pressure to rezone the area, adding he hopes the next mayor takes the same approach because "small business space has to be maintained."

May 29th, 2008, 08:20 PM
I miss seeing the Cheyenne Diner on 33rd and 9th. What a shame Manhattan lost it and the other rail car diners. The city should have made sure they remained in place. They were a wonderful piece of Americana right in Manhattan. At least this O'Connell fella is going to save the Cheyenne from total destruction by putting it in Red Hook.
There was a huge nightclub called the Octagon on 33rd and when we'd come out at 4-5 am we'd eat at the Cheyenne Diner which was open all night. More vanishing New York.

June 15th, 2008, 05:31 PM
Folks eager to camp in Red Hook to win free furniture from new Ikea store


Friday, June 13th 2008, 11:00 PM


A preview of the new Ikea store in Red Hook, Brooklyn, which will have its official opening on Wednesday.

The doors to Brooklyn's new Ikea have yet to open, but the madness has begun.

Shoppers in Red Hook were plotting ways to get their hands on a bargain Friday after hearing thousands of dollars of free furniture would be up for grabs Monday morning.

"I'll camp two days for a couch," said student Kashmere Square, 20, when he found out the first 35 customers would receive a $699 sofa, and the next 100 will be rewarded with a $199 armchair.

"It's cool. I'll definitely be shopping there. I need a computer stand, a table and chairs."

Michael Malgonada, 17, quickly called friends to work out how they would take turns to secure a spot at the front of the line.

"For a free sofa from Ikea? [I'll] definitely [line up]," he said.

"If you have to be 21, I'll bring somebody older. We'll do shifts."

Ikea's doors officially swing open at 9 a.m. Wednesday, and giveaways will be handed out throughout the day at the 346,000-square-foot store on Beard St.

The first 100 kids will get a heart-shaped cushion and anyone able to prove June 18 is their birthday will get a $10 Ikea voucher.

The first 2,500 customers also will be given a random prize envelope with gift cards ranging from $10 to $250, or vouchers for a free cinnamon bun, hot dog or frozen yogurt.

Each store employee got 10 guest passes so family and friends could get a sneak preview this weekend.

Even Red Hook residents with no plans to camp out said the megastore would provide a boost to the neighborhood.

"I think it's great, I can't even wait for it to open," said home attendant Danene Boynton, 43.

"That's the great thing, it's really convenient and reasonable," said child care provider Diane Gregg, 50.

"I'm so glad Ikea is here."


June 18th, 2008, 02:14 PM
From: Racked.com


Ikea Red Hook Grand Opening: Minutes Away!

Wednesday, June 18, 2008, by Leslie Price


More freebies! Ikea Waterbottles!

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The Ikea has landed, people. This morning's festivities—a cross between a political rally, a big-top circus and some sort of fanatical cult gathering—are well underway over at 1 Beard Street. The juggling stiltwalker, a person making balloon animals and Marty Markowitz have all just arrived on the scene to entertain the customers waiting in line to enter the furniture store at 9am. The crowd has grown considerably since last night, with the original wristbanded 35 at the fore—it'd be safe to wager that the queue now numbers 500 strong. Many are swaying to the sounds of Conjunto Guantano, an Afro-Cuban jazz band, unaware of the full Ikea indoctrination that is taking place. At present, store managers are giving speeches, and we're all waiting for the log-sawing to begin.


UPDATE 9:02 AM: Ikea staffers are everywhere, banging their Ikea thunder sticks and chanting, "Brooklyn! Brooklyn! Brooklyn!"
UPDATE 9:18 AM: The line is moving well and no one has been crushed on the way in. Success.
Up next: Photos of the ceremonial cutting of the log, Marty Markowitz's rousing speech, the singing of the Swedish national anthem, the singing of the US national anthem, the singing of America the Beautiful, the crowd, 300-strong, high-fiving staffers as they steam into the store, and the media not knowing what to do next.

June 21st, 2008, 05:51 AM

Looking across Beard Street in Red Hook from Annabelle's bar and restaurant to the Ikea store, which opened on Wednesday. Ikea is the latest sign of change in the Brooklyn neighborhood, which for decades a working-class area that depended on the shipping industry and which declined in the 1950s and '60s as container ports opened in New Jersey.

Photo: Bess Greenberg/The New York Times


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September 17th, 2008, 03:44 PM
where is the shuttle at borough hall? i tried to look online but it just says borough hall station, which is very vague. anyone know the cross streets?

September 17th, 2008, 09:03 PM
where is the shuttle at borough hall? i tried to look online but it just says borough hall station, which is very vague. anyone know the cross streets?

It is on Joralemon Street across the street from the Brooklyn Municipal Building on the non Cadman Plaza side of Borough Hall, closer to Court Street.
Look for the standard bus stop sign which says something like IKEA on it. It is where the bus departs and arrives from.

This is the subway entrance it is near (sorry for the ancient photo of it, but it was the only one I could find)
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September 20th, 2008, 01:37 AM
I hate corporatization of any historic area like Red Hook. But Even though that yellow and blue box isnt the easiest thing to avoid grumbling about in terms of uncontextualism the collateral waterfront park that was included is brilliant. One of the most remarkable things that they incorporated into the park was to preserve the cranes on train tracks (along other machinery as well) that were used for ship building and illuminate them at night. Along the waterfront esplanade there are little synopses explaining what each machinery was and how it was used in ship building. Excellent job by Ikea!;)

September 20th, 2008, 04:09 PM
I'd give the Ikea a B or B-

The Red Hook ferry and Fairway are A++

September 20th, 2008, 05:26 PM
It is on Joralemon Street across the street from the Brooklyn Municipal Building on the non Cadman Plaza side of Borough Hall, closer to Court Street.
Look for the standard bus stop sign which says something like IKEA on it. It is where the bus departs and arrives from.

thanks i went the other night at 8:30 lol... i thought ikea was really nice... i didn't get a chance to check out the park because it was late and had to catch the last bus back.

September 25th, 2008, 10:52 AM
Ikea cutting out shuttle service

Wednesday, September 24th 2008, 8:32 PM

This free ride just got shorter.

The hours for Ikea (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Inter+IKEA+Systems+BV)'s free shuttle bus and water taxi will be reduced because of a drop in customers, said officials for the Swedish home furnishing giant.

Beginning Oct. 1, the buses and boats will cruise between downtown Brooklyn (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Downtown+Brooklyn), Park Slope (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Park+Slope) and Ikea later in the day and less frequently, officials said.

"After Labor Day, it [use of the service] kind of tapered off in the morning," said spokesman Joseph Roth (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Joseph+Roth).

"We're trying to make sure the service can be provided when needed, but we may find the winter is different than fall so we could adjust it again."

The service, which began when Ikea opened in June, has drawn gaggles of commuters eager to take advantage of a free ride - many with no intention of visiting the store.

Roth insisted the service cuts were not intended to reduce the riders who don't shop at Ikea, but he said fewer people were using the buses in the morning ever since the summer ended and school started.

He said weekend schedules for both the bus and water taxis would remain the same.

Countless commuters have taken advantage of the posh, coach-style shuttle buses since Ikea's opening. Each bus is equipped with footrests, reading lights and music.

Some riders bemoaned the shorter bus schedules, which would clip the present operating schedule three hours. They now run from 10 a.m. to 10 p.m. but under the curtailed schedule will run from 1 p.m. to 10 p.m.

The bus will run every 30 minutes instead of every 15 minutes.

The water taxi, which ran from 10 a.m. to 10 p.m., will operate between 1 p.m. and 9 p.m. after Oct. 1 - with the boat running every 40 minutes instead of every 20 minutes.

The slashed hours didn't go over well with commuters or shoppers.

"I [am] ...angry ... they cut the hours for the bus," said Nicky Jackson (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Nicky+Jackson), 20, who uses the Ikea service to commute from her Red Hook (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Red+Hook) home.

"It's way better than the city bus."

For Marquice Jenkins (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Marquice+Jenkins), the abbreviated bus schedule isn't just an inconvenience - it's a threat to his punctuality.

"You'll probably be late to wherever you have to go," said Jenkins, 20, a student who lives in Red Hook and rides the bus twice a week.

"It's free, so you can't really complain."

Ikea shoppers weren't too happy either.

"That's a hardship," said Lillian Massed, 64, a medical biller from Cobble Hill (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Cobble+Hill).

"Most people want to go [shopping] in the morning ... If they stop this in the morning I wouldn't come here in the winter."

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September 25th, 2008, 04:21 PM
I am glad that the reduced schedule hasn't started yet, since I have to go to Red Hook tomorrow to pick up some key lime pies.
I'll probably have lunch at Ikea and pick up some of the Swedish mustard I like, too.