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June 24th, 2006, 06:57 PM
Here's some scenes from my vacation in San Francisco last Summer, it was my third trip but my fiance's first visit to the Bay Area.

Getting ready for push back, Newark Airport.


In flight over the Mid-West, the chasing the Sunset during our flight was gorgeous!


Street thearter at Firshermans Warf, there was also a Insult Clown who's worst insult was that I was a Boston fan.


Fishermans Warf





Nature's air conditioning, this is why San Francisco is my favority City. It was 90 something plus humidity back in New Jersey, it was between 65 and 71 degrees in San Francisco. That fog coming in from the Ocean is the best Air Conditioning anywhere!




June 24th, 2006, 06:58 PM



Street Cars, they did an awesome job restoring and putting back into service old PCC cars from all over the Country including New Jersey and Brooklyn!






Cable Car


July 13th, 2006, 06:41 PM
San Francisco: in North America, second only to New York!

Thanks for the pics.

July 16th, 2006, 08:59 AM
They ought to run a historic trolley line to Red Hook. Maybe even to the cruise ship terminal.

July 16th, 2006, 09:52 AM
Never been to San Francisco but it looks fantastic. A trolley line in NYC would be sweet.

July 16th, 2006, 10:16 AM
Never been to San Francisco but it looks fantastic. A trolley line in NYC would be sweet.

Get your sorry ass over there right away. :D

July 16th, 2006, 10:42 AM

July 16th, 2006, 12:34 PM
San Francisco looks extremely clean and well kept. Nice pics.

July 16th, 2006, 09:20 PM
I love San Francisco. Wish we had seals here.

July 16th, 2006, 10:09 PM
Yes it is beautiful ....Now next time you go please tell me and I will point out some non touristy spots;) Your pics are great. Hope you had a good time and found the locals to be friendly!:)

July 17th, 2006, 12:48 PM
I would have posted this somewhere else, but there don't seem to be any pertinent threads.

SF Bay Area moves forward to protect open spaces ...

Conservation advocates set goal of doubling Bay Area open space

SF CHRONICLE (http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/07/16/MNGTUK06P91.DTL&hw=open+space&sn=001&sc=1000)
Chuck Squatriglia
Chronicle Staff Writer
Sunday, July 16, 2006


Bay Area conservationists have set a bold goal of preserving another 1 million acres of land within 30 years, an unprecedented effort that would profoundly shape where and how we live by doubling the region's permanent open space.

Never before has so vast a metropolitan landscape been protected, and the very idea alarms some who say a region with a critical housing shortage and ghastly commutes cannot afford to set aside 46 percent of its land.

Conservationists argue preservation and growth can occur simultaneously.

They concede there will be compromises all around as they work with landowners, developers and policymakers. And they know reaching their goal will require a level of money and public will that may be difficult to muster.

Yet they do not see these challenges as insurmountable and believe setting aside so much land is essential to retain the region's natural splendor as the population grows by a projected 1.6 million in the next 25 years. And though it took more than a century to protect the first million acres, conservationists say the second million must be protected within 30 years if it is to be protected at all.

"The next couple of decades are key and the last real chance for us to do this," says Walter Moore, vice president of the Peninsula Open Space Trust. "They say, 'Once it's paved, it can't be saved.' That's true, and that's the pressure we face."

It's tough to see the concern. From Point Reyes National Seashore to the tiniest urban tot lot, the Bay Area enjoys what is likely the most open space of any metropolitan area in the world, conservationists agree. Developers note that just 16 percent of the region's 4.5 million acres have been developed, and some feel the conservationists are being alarmist.

But most of what people think of as open space isn't protected. It's private land that can be developed at any time.

A report the Greenbelt Alliance released in May found that 1 of every 10 acres in the region is at risk of development within the next three decades -- the figure is 1 of every 5 acres in Contra Costa and Solano counties.

Young Canyon, 18 acres on the north face of Mount Diablo, marks conservationists' first step toward their next million acres. With its panoramic view of Black Diamond Mines Regional Preserve and Carquinez Strait, it would have been a fine place to build a home.

And for years, that's exactly what Gilbert and Phyllis Young dreamed of doing. They never got around to it, and their four children inherited the land in 1999. Two of them donated their share to the conservation group Save Mount Diablo, which brokered a deal, announced June 28, to buy out the other two siblings for $300,000.

Save Mount Diablo had wanted the land soon after botanist Mary Bowerman founded the organization in 1971. The canyon is bisected by the mountain's only band of mottled green serpentine rock, and it is home to 123 species of flowers. Its acquisition adds another small piece to the 89,000 acres on and around Mount Diablo that have been permanently protected.

"It's only 18 acres, which isn't much when you look at 1 million acres," says Ron Brown, executive director of Save Mount Diablo. "But you can see its value in the context of the entire mountain."


From Young Canyon you can see the town of Clayton approaching from the north. The Kirker Hills lie to the east, passing through the Concord Naval Weapons Station. The station is being turned over to the city, and the debate has started over how far up the hills to allow construction.

One million acres is the sum of those projects that conservation organizations have identified as individual goals, says Bettina Ring, executive director of the Bay Area Open Space Council, a coalition of 55 local, regional, state and federal land preservation and management groups.

In the coming months, conservationists will map the areas they'd like to see protected and identify what the region will need to accommodate a population regional planners expect to grow 23 percent by 2030. They won't offer any specifics yet because they worry doing so will drive up prices or make it tougher to acquire land.

Among their top priorities are creating urban parks, preserving agricultural land, linking existing parcels of public land and protecting critical wildlife habitat.

In the future, the size of individual acquisitions will be relatively small, such as Young Canyon, because most of the vast tracts remaining in the region have already been protected or divvied up into smaller parcels.

And whereas most of the land already protected was purchased, conservationists say land donations and conservation easements -- contracts in which a landowner agrees to preserve the land but retains ownership of it -- will become increasingly common, in no small part because of the skyrocketing cost of land.

Local land conservation organizations are heavily supported by philanthropists, foundations' individual donors and other sources. The groups are also counting on Proposition 84, the $5.4 billion water and parks bond on the November ballot. If approved, the bond would provide at least $1.3 billion for wildlife and forest conservation, local and regional parks and nature-education centers. So far, the proposition has no formal opposition.

Four years ago, Californians approved Propositions 40 and 50 by comfortable margins, providing $6 billion in bonds for park and water-quality projects.

"We've found a great deal of interest and enthusiasm for creating more public access to open space and parks," says Mark Baldassare, director of research at the Public Policy Institute of California. The institute's polls since 2000 have consistently shown that a majority of Californians support using tax dollars to expand open space.

But some residents say the idea goes too far, and they question the need for more open space when much of what we have goes unused. Indeed, a Public Policy Institute poll found that two-thirds of Californians do not believe there is a shortage of such lands.

"Virtually no one uses the 1.1 million acres we now have," says Novato resident Rex Allen, who says he often finds himself alone when he visits the parks around his home. He calls the conservationists' goal a "land grab." "Why do we need another million acres, costing taxpayers more millions?"

Others worry protecting that much land will curtail construction, driving up prices in a region where the median home price was $631,000 in May.

It's a point echoed by the Homebuilders Association of Northern California, which argues people will be driven deeper into the Central Valley in search of affordable homes, further clogging congested freeways and adding to already hellish commutes.

"I think it's myopic to suggest that 46 percent of the land available in the Bay Area ought to be permanent open space," says Joseph Perkins, the builders association president. "What they're saying is those who don't own property will be part of a permanent class of Bay Area residents who don't own land. Will it be easier or harder for our middle class to acquire property if they realize their goal? That's what it comes down to."

Conservationists argue that is true only if we continue building ever more suburban tract homes. They admit that they'd like to push the Bay Area toward greater use of urban redevelopment, infill construction, high-density housing, transit villages and smaller homes on smaller parcels.

It's called "smart growth," and planning experts join conservationists in saying it will allow the region to grow while providing sufficient open space to accommodate that growth.

But Perkins argues infill projects and redevelopment construction simply won't provide all the homes the region needs, and even if it did, not everyone wants to live in an urban setting.

"Three-quarters of residents of the Bay Area want to live in communities that the Bay Area Open Space Council would categorize by the pejorative term 'sprawl,' " he says. "One person's sprawl is another person's dream come true."

Conservationists recognize the idea of setting aside so much land will spark debate, and that's one reason they've announced their goal. With development pressure mounting and the population growing, they say now is the time to begin the discussion. They don't expect everyone to agree with them, but they believe everyone can agree the landscape must be preserved to some degree. And so they're confident they can forge consensus on a balanced approach to preservation and growth.

"The idea of mobilizing the region around open space is unprecedented," says Amanda Brown-Stevens, field director of Greenbelt Alliance. "Open space is something we all value, and the devil is in the details. But I think people are very excited."

©2006 San Francisco Chronicle


Mt. Diablo as it appeared in the early 20th Century, and the view towards Young's Canyon from Clayton ...


July 17th, 2006, 05:04 PM
200 hundred years ago New York harbor was filled with seals. Recently, some species have started to come back:


July 18th, 2006, 12:35 AM
Never been to San Francisco but it looks fantastic.
And is.

Here’s a suggestion for your globetrotting ways: The Pebble Beach Concours d’Elegance, Pebble Beach, California –a few scenic hours’ drive south of San Francisco.

The concours I attended was without a single solitary exception the best organized, most smoothly-run and classiest event I’ve ever had the privilege of attending. The setting (coastal California near Carmel), the attendees (rich, famous and beautiful), and the cars (works of art), the weather (balmy and cool) always come together to make this the world’s greatest car show and one of the world’s premiere events of any kind.
’37 Delage by Pourtout.
’14 Rolls Royce by Labourdette.
’51 Ferrari by Vignale.
’34 Triumph Dolomite by Corsica.
’35 Mercedes-Benz 500K by Ahrens.
’37 Bugatti Atlantic factory coupe owned by Ralph Lauren.
’35 Delage by Graber.
’33 Ford.
’62 Maserati by Frua.
’26 Bugatti Grand Sport factory cabriolet.

July 18th, 2006, 12:39 AM
’33 Chrysler Imperial by LeBaron.
’38 Buick Y-job by Harley Earl.
’38 Horch by Voll & Ruhrbeck.
’57 Ferrari Superamerica by Pininfarina.
’34 Voisin by Saliot.
’38 Delahaye by Figoni & Falaschi.

There’s a Pebble Beach driving tour on the scenic 26-Mile Drive:
’57 BMW 507 by Goertz.
’56 Maserati by Zagato.
A pair of ’34 Hispano K6 coupes chauffeurs by Fernandez & Darrin.
’39 Bugatti by Figoni & Falaschi, ex Shah of Iran.

July 18th, 2006, 12:40 AM
’38 American Bantam by deSakhnoffsky.
’38 Horch by Erdmann & Rossi.
’54 Alfa Romeo BAT by Bertone.
’37 Mercedes-Benz 540K by Ahrens.
’35 Bugatti Atlantic factory coupe by Jean Bugatti, Ettore’s son.
’35 Bugatti Atlantic, best of show 2003.
’32 Lincoln by Brunn.
’34 Bugatti Type 59 by Ettore Bugatti.
Dream cars of another era: three ’54 Alfa Romeo BATs by Bertone.
A current dream car: Chrysler Firepower.

July 18th, 2006, 12:42 AM
Significant new cars are also introduced at Pebble Beach:
Post-Graduate: the new Alfa Spyder.
Jay Leno’s Bugatti Veyron 16.4. 1001 HP. This car was introduced at Pebble Beach.
The Master of Ceremonies.

Pebble Beach Concours d’Elegance: an annual celebration of the art of car building. Sunday, August 20, 2006. A great day out for just $150 admission, tickets available on the internet: http://www.pebblebeachconcours.net/TicketInfo.htm

The coast drive from San Francisco is quite simply the most scenic drive in North America, if not the world.

In my role as Social Director, MidtownGuy, I must insist that you attend.
1898 Benz by Karl Benz.


July 18th, 2006, 09:52 AM
Wow, that looks like quite an event. It has the aura of something definitively British, I feel (except for the presence of Jay Leno, of course). They sure don't make 'em like they used to. Doesn't it seem like the same thing happened to car design as to architecture over the course of the last century?

In any case, that part of California truly is stunning. I've visited Monterey twice, and driven through that area a couple times as well, though I never got around to doing the 17-mile scenic drive around the Carmel peninsula (not enough time). Ablarc, have you ever driven the PCH further south of Carmel? There are some truly stunning sections of cliffhanger road around Big Sur, and just north of Pismo. For that matter, have you ever visited the Hearst Castle nearby?

It's definitely one of the most scenic drives in the world. I'm not quite sure I'd place it ahead of the Costa Amalfitana - that one's incredibly scenic naturally, but also has the added attraction of beautiful seaside towns. The Road to Hana in Maui is another natural wonder. And though I've never been there, I've heard great things about Australia's Great Ocean Road.

July 18th, 2006, 09:58 AM
One of the great pleasures of a visit to California is the extent and proximity of protected scenery. What a gas it is to drive across the Golden Gate Bridge to find yourself in wilderness. City and country: A-OK. It's the intervening suburbs that are so wretched.

July 18th, 2006, 10:15 AM
The area shown in the first image above ("The Mount Diablo Fruit Farm", Bancorft, Contra Costa County) is now home to:

The Ruth Bancroft Garden (http://www.ruthbancroftgarden.org/pages/about.html) ...
The Ruth Bancroft Garden rose above the status of a collection to become a preeminent demonstration of the art of garden design. Working primarily with the dramatic forms of her beloved succulents, Mrs. Bancroft has created bold and varied compositions in which the colors, textures, and patterns of foliage provide a setting for the sparkle of floral color.

LINK (http://www.aabga.org/public_html/ac2006/images/ruthbancroft.jpg)

More PHOTOS: http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/bancroftgarden@sbcglobal.net/my_photos

July 18th, 2006, 10:19 AM
From the TOP (http://mouser.org/gallery/albums/mt_tamalpais/IMG_2513.jpg) of Mt. Tamalpais in Marin County (across the GG Bridge from SF) looking east across the Bay towards Mt. Diablo ...


July 18th, 2006, 10:22 AM
In my role as Social Director, MidtownGuy, I must insist that you attend.

Breathtaking! I would LOVE to attend this. But I leave for Italy and Greece on August 22!

July 18th, 2006, 10:23 AM
Ooops .. I've strayed way off-topic :o

These last posts should probably go HERE (http://www.wirednewyork.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9761)

July 18th, 2006, 10:56 AM
In the big pic ^^ that is the infamous San Quentin Prison dead center at the foot of the (Richmond) Bridge ...

A proposal is afoot to redevelop that site:

San Quentin Makeover?

CURBED_SF (http://sf.curbed.com/archives/2006/07/17/san_quentin_makeover.php)
July 17, 2006
by Frisco Kid

[Photo Credit: Seamusfurr (http://www.flickr.com/photos/rangelife) via Flickr]

Luxury project contractor/blogger Ted Horton puts forth a researched, well-considered proposal for the redevelopment of San Quentin.

There's 275 Marin County view acres on the Bay, and lots of people in Marin would like to see the prison move elsewhere, to be replaced with housing, recreational facilities and mixed-use projects. With over 600 Death Row inmates, including ever-innocent Scott Peterson (we're sure Amber did it) along with other mere felons, conditions at the outdated and crumbling prison are allegedly bordering on the inhumane.

Researched and well-considered is code for long so plan on devoting your afternoon latte to Ted's post. Unfortunately no word on whether the new non-felonious residents will have to wear orange jumpsuits or modified bull gear.


July 18th, 2006, 11:59 AM
...I leave for Italy and Greece on August 22!
What? Again?

July 18th, 2006, 02:24 PM
It's the trip I've been planning for a couple months. Did you think I had already gone?

July 18th, 2006, 02:29 PM
Did you think I had already gone?
Thought you were back already. Was wondering where the pics were.

July 18th, 2006, 02:35 PM
I hope to post some as I'm traveling, whenever internet hookup is available. It'll be like you're on the journey with me. :)

July 18th, 2006, 07:06 PM
Wow, that looks like quite an event. It has the aura of something definitively British...
Upper class.

They sure don't make 'em like they used to. Doesn't it seem like the same thing happened to car design as to architecture over the course of the last century?
Cars at Pebble Beach are the creme de la creme, many of them one-of-a-kind works of art. A few such cars are still being made in Italy and even the United States. Here they're likely to be superb hand-made one-offs by custom hot rod constructors like Boyd Coddington. Here's his take on the Delahaye:

Coddington and his ilk are one reason Pebble Beach will start admitting a few hot rods in the future.

Here's an Australian variation on Bugatti's Atlantic:

Limited edition supercars like the million-dollar Bugatti (16 cylinders, 1001 horsepower) are also pretty special. Great cars have always been rare, though I agree they had their heydays in the Thirties and Fifties.

In any case, that part of California truly is stunning...the 17-mile scenic drive around the Carmel peninsula...
Yeah 17, not 26.

Ablarc, have you ever driven the PCH further south of Carmel?
Something to look forward to next time. People bitch and moan about California being overdeveloped. I don't know what they're talking about. It's densely settled in places and beautifully natural in others --just like Europe. My son, who's been to Europe, said: "It's like visiting a foreign country." Only the suburbs are awful, as everywhere, but they're not nearly as prevalent in California as in other states, because you can always escape them.

...visited the Hearst Castle nearby?
Stunning in every way.

It's definitely one of the most scenic drives in the world. I'm not quite sure I'd place it ahead of the Costa Amalfitana...
...or Croatia's Adriatic coast, for that matter.

July 18th, 2006, 08:49 PM

:eek:!!! Aston Martin Vanquish eat your heart out!

July 18th, 2006, 09:55 PM
Aston Martin Vanquish eat your heart out!
Not a Vanquish...but an Aston ('33):

Somebody bring us back to San Francisco!

July 23rd, 2006, 06:30 PM
There's 275 Marin County view acres on the Bay, and lots of people in Marin would like to see the prison move elsewhere, to be replaced with housing, recreational facilities and mixed-use projects.
Perfect place for a dense little city like Sausalito with round-the-clock hydrofoil service to San Francisco. Let them put San Quentin Prison in some hellhole, where it belongs.

July 23rd, 2006, 07:24 PM
Funny... A hundred years ago that little peninsula where San Quentin is situated -- often fog enshrouded, blasted by the California sun or buffeted by winds coming down from the Sierra Nevadas & across the wide waters of the San Francisco Bay (and seemingly remote from both San Franciso and Oakland) -- was probably considered hell-hole enough.

Times do change things, eh?

Goodbye SQ ...

Double Time
San Quentin, California

Pelican Bay (http://www.corr.ca.gov/Visitors/fac_prison_PBSP.html) awaits ...

Room Without a View
Pelican Bay, California


A less tantalizing view ( http://www.sfbappa.org/Awards/picturestory/picstory28.ex2.html ) ...

Set in an idyllic forest near the Orgegon border, Pelican Bay State Prison houses California's most dangerous criminals.
The moon sets behind one of the 11 guard towers surrounding the 275-acre maximum-security facility.

Prison Gang
Thirteen years ago Pelican Bay State Prison was cut out of a dense forest near Crescent City, CA.
The highlight of the new super-max prison was the Security Housing Unit (SHU), the X-shaped builing at front,
where 1,300 of the state's most hardened criminals are kept in near isolation.

An inmate stares through perforated holes from a pod of cells in the Security Housing Unit at Pelican Bay State Prison,
where California's most-hardened criminals are imprisoned.

Chained inmates make their way to the library at Pelican Bay State Prison in Crescent City, near the California-Oregon border.
This is the only time rival gang members are chained together since none wants to lose his library privileges.
Not disclosing inmates' identities was a condition of access to the prison.

Inmates in the Security Housing Unit (SHU) at Pelican Bay State Prison spend 3 hours a day
in their cells with only 1 hour a day to spend in the 10' X 20' cement room for xercise.

July 26th, 2006, 09:30 PM
...since none wants to lose his library privileges.
Bookworms, huh?

July 26th, 2006, 11:06 PM
Haven't you ever seen Shawshank?

July 26th, 2006, 11:36 PM
Prison movie? No. Does the library loom large in it?