People WANT boring!Quote:
Originally Posted by londonlawyer
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People WANT boring!Quote:
Originally Posted by londonlawyer
I disagree. People love the TWT, the Hearst, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by ablarc
Only after they're built.Quote:
Originally Posted by londonlawyer
You should qualify that to read "as much taste as shown in Robert Moses' late period" -- or something of the sort.Quote:
Originally Posted by londonlawyer
The Jones Beach structures and others that he built in the '30s are really quite stunning and of a great human scale. It was only circa post-WW2 that Moses went whacko (design & planning wise).
Ironically, SLCE were the architects of record for 731 Lex.Quote:
Originally Posted by londonlawyer
I think grouping these two is going a little too far. Chang is far worse.Quote:
Macklowe and Chang are simply greedy schmucks with as much taste as Robert Moses.
No, people don't want change and, more importantly, don't want anyone else to have something better than what they have. Nimbyism is about jealousy and exerting power.Quote:
Originally Posted by ablarc
And power (it seems) is the ability to complain louder & longer than everyone else! :confused: :pQuote:
Originally Posted by TonyO
It's even more than that.
Anyone can shout and try to make a big fuss about something. The key to getting what you want is asserting your higher moral position. Once you do that, there's little chance the real people in charge will ignore you.
Hitler knew that. He couched his claims in moral assertions; he could count on this for popular support to cow his adversaries.Quote:
Originally Posted by pianoman11686
Who can be against the moral position?
Short answer: you prove that your position is of a higher morality. Not the easiest thing to do.
No, in this case people wanted reduced height. The developers want boring because its more profitable. Which is basically the story of NY architecture after the movement started by Seagrams Building.Quote:
Originally Posted by ablarc
Is this project EVER going to be built or canceled?:confused:
I hope that it gets cancelled and is replaced with a park. Sadly, it will be constructed and thanks to NIMBYS who live in this dumpy area dominated by filthy rent-regulated tenements, the buildings that will rise there will be lame.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chrysler New Yorker
PS: I used to live in the area when my wife worked on the far East side and hated it. I moved there from CPS when I got engaged and hated it. It is a dump. I was always depressed when I returned from the airport and emerged from the Midtown Tunnel into this disgusting area. Solow would have transformed this dump, but perhaps NIMBY'S thought that increased real estate values would threaten their rent regulated leases.
Six Architects To Compete For East River Esplanade Design Rights
By ANNIE KARNI
Special to the Sun
June 5, 2007
As the city mulls an expansion of the United Nations campus onto city park space and the state moves forward with plans to rebuild the Midtown segment of the FDR Drive next door, elected officials and community members are seizing the opportunity to open up access to the East River with a new waterfront esplanade.
Six prominent landscape architects, including the architect of the High Line, the architect of the Museum of Modern Art roof garden, and the architect of the Brooklyn Bridge Park, will participate in a design competition on Friday to create a sweeping vision for a waterfront park that would stretch to 63rd Street from 34th Street along the East River.
The proposed 35-story U.N. office tower would be built on the current site of the 1.3-acre Robert Moses Playground. The loss of parkland would require the creation of more open space nearby, and officials have said a new waterfront esplanade would be an appropriate trade. A new tower would require approval by the state Legislature, and the esplanade would require approval from the developer of the former Consolidated Edison power plant site just south of the United Nations, Sheldon Solow, who owns the land. Officials from the state's Department of Transportation and from the city's parks department, as well as representatives from Mr. Solow's office, are expected to meet on Friday for a briefing on the proposed waterfront esplanade.
The 12-hour design competition is being sponsored by elected officials who represent the Upper East Side, including Assemblymen Jonathan Bing and Brian Kavanagh, state Senators Liz Krueger and Thomas Duane, and numerous civic groups. The winning design is expected to be unveiled to the public on Sunday and would serve as a makeshift blueprint for future construction.
State support for the city's plan to expand the U.N. campus has been hard to come by. "I don't believe the Senate's there," a state senator of Brooklyn, Martin Golden, said in an interview. "One would have thought the city would have moved on at this point. The U.N. doesn't curry favor with us. They are a useless group that is at best anti-American."
© 2007 The New York Sun, One SL, LLC.
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Originally Posted by pianoman11686
Goddamn fools, if anything UN contributes millions to the NYC economy, why would you not try to keep that ? Who cares if UN is not pro-american, it's not supposed to be. The world would be a worse place without UN and if NYC didnt have UN it would lose millions of revenue.