Do you even know what ignorance is? I know enough about your schoolboy paper to judge it. A circulation barely above that of Newsday is pathetic. But even more relevant, the content is awful, which i guess indicates that a lot of NJ'ers find second grade level writing stimulating. Nice work.Quote:
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By the way, did i mention that Newark is a hole?
Dude, the only "schoolboy" and "second grade level" anything here is you, with your constant name-calling, insults and put-downs.
Notice nobody else here is doing that except you?
If you are so confident that AY is moving forward like you said you were, then why are you so angry and defensive over somebody says?
Because this is a thread about the Atlantic Yards project, not the NJ Arena.
By the way, you're the last person on the face of the earth to lecture about insulting people.
Did I insult the poster? If you're such a scholar, maybe try reading what I wrote.
Let's see...you are insulting the entire city of Newark. You are putting down a major metropolitan newspaper (at least Newark's got one. Where's Brooklyn's?). You are insulting "a lot of NJ'ers (which by the way, show's your lack of education because they're "New Jerseyans" and/or "New Jerseyites").
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This thread is about AY and the NJ Nets possibly moving to there so yes, it is all related.Quote:
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If I'm the last person to be lecturing and I'm still right in lecturing you, then it says a lot about how bad you are looking right now.
Understand, son?
Does the anonymity of the internet give you the confidence to be a tough guy?Quote:
Originally Posted by antinimby
You must be very scary in cyberspace.
So again: where did I insult someone in this thread? If you need to use three derivations of explanation to satisfy a quick to speak, slow to think statement in hindsight you're not answering the question.
But hey, if you can't answer the question, maybe you can just cyber-bully it out of me ...
Let's end this tangent right here.
JCman posted a relevant article about ownership or potential ownership of the Nets. The team is critical to the argument for building an arena (the centerpiece of Atlantic Yards).
The arguments over what Newark has or doesn't have is not relevant to the topic. The fact is that the team may have new ownership and that impacts AY.
This forum's success is funded upon the mutual agreement of the forum community to post in a manner that is courteous and without personal attacks. So, step back and think before hitting reply. If your postcontains the word "You" anywhere in it, there's a 99% chance that you are talking about another poster and not the topic.
Thank you.
One has to wonder what the argument might be for building this arena without a pro-sports team signed on as a home team. As for concerts and non-sports events, the Borough already has BAM, Keyspan Park, and the proposed amphitheater for Coney Island. All are underused facilities. I don't see how this project can possibly move forward. the platforms and infrastructure canbe built in advance, but that AY design and redesign and re-redesign are outdated and no longer appropriate. None of the arguments used to justify that old design have stood up over time.
The change has been a shift in focus to the arena only. Do what is necessary to make that happen and we'll worry about the rest later. That is how this project is being viewed now by interested parties.
As for non-sport event demand here. There are no venues in the vicinity anywhere near this capacity. Concert tours commonly hit both MSG and the Meadowlands. No reason why they don't hit this venue as well along the way.
PNC banks Arts Center, Prudential Center, Izod Center, Madison Square Garden, Jones Beach Ampitheater, Nassau Coliseum.Quote:
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I think if anything there's too many venues.
I agree. I didn't have a problem with the arena in context of Gehry's design for that block. The arena with three integrated towers was a hot, urban design. This stand alone crap is not what anyone anticipated. I am completely against it. Without the integrated design, it becomes more of a void on the streetscape than anything else - and I'm sure that all the rest of the site becomes parking for the arena until further notice. Ratner pull a blatant bait and switch - and it has very little to do with opposition groups or lawsuits. he is just a scumbag when it comes to this borough.
Don't forget Yankee Stadium, Citi Field, and soon Meadowlands Stadium and Red Bull Arena... not to mention the dozens and dozens of smaller venues and theatres. By April 2010, five new major stadiums and arenas will have followed the path of being designed, constructed, and opened in the NYC area for 6 of the local major sports teams. This is all since the proposed move to Brooklyn had been announced in 2005.Quote:
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Atlantic Yards doesn't need an arena.
I am next to certain that much of the Public Funding on this project is contingent upon there being an arena in the development package. It is In that sense only, one could argue that the Atlantic Yards project NEEDS an Arena.Quote:
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http://www.crainsnewyork.com/article...FREE/809048612
Without the arena there's nothing there, aside from infrastructure / platform over the tracks. With the arena there will but nothing but all that there.
Offices? Housing? Ha ha ha ha ...
Definite uptick in work in this most recent report:
ATLANTIC YARDS CONSTRUCTION UPDATE
Weeks beginning November 9, 2009 and November 16, 2009
In an effort to keep the Atlantic Yards Community aware of upcoming construction activities, ESD and Forest City Ratner provide the following outline of anticipated upcoming construction activities.
Please note: the scope and nature of activities are subject to change based upon field conditions. All work has been approved by appropriate City and State agencies where required. In addition to the activities described below noise attenuation and vibration monitoring measures are underway in connection with the Memorandum of Environmental Commitments dated 12/08/06.
If you have any questions please feel free to contact our project Ombudsperson at: 212-803-3233 or AtlanticYards@empire.state.ny.us
Long Island Rail Road/Vanderbilt Yard Work
Installation of conduit and cable within Yard (BL1120 and 1121)
Connection to City water (BL1120 and 1121)
Paving of Vehicle Access Roadway throughout Yard (BL 1120 and 1121)
Installation of two stair towers from Pacific St down to Yard level. One in BL1120 and one in BL1121
Testing and Commissioning of Yard
Work is anticipated to continue through the end of the year.
Environmental Remediation
The environmental consultant will begin shallow excavation and drilling to test and classify soils in blocks 1127 and 1119. Work will continue on these blocks and 1118 for 3 months. This is prep work required in advance of any actual removal of soil from the site.
Infrastructure
Infrastructure work related to installation of new sewer chambers at the intersection of 6th Avenue at Pacific Street is complete. Infrastructure work related to the installation of new a water main along the east side of Flatbush Avenue is complete.
The traffic and pedestrian safety barriers along the north side of Flatbush Avenue and Block 1118 for sewer installation is complete for the current phase of the work. Additional protection will be installed to modify traffic in 5th Avenue upon approval from the Department of Transportation.
The contractor commenced pile drilling and excavation work on Blocks 1127 and 1118 in connection with sewer installation. Work will continue for 5 to 6 months.
During the course of this work, the contractor may encounter unforeseen underground storage tanks or other structures. In the event that this happens and where appropriate, notification will be given to the DEC and remediation steps were implemented.
Demolition
The Abatement contractor will install scaffolding in preparation for the removal of asbestos at the roof at 475 Dean Street.
The Abatement and Demolition contractor will install sidewalk protection as required by the Department of Buildings in preparation for the removal of asbestos and demolition of 648 Pacific Street. The start of this work is dependent upon approvals by the Department of Buildings.
The Abatement contractor will install sidewalk protection as required by the Department of Buildings in preparation for the removal of asbestos and demolition of 467 Dean Street. The start of this work is dependent upon approvals by the Department of Buildings.
Its Over
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/25/ny...ards.html?_r=1
Atlantic Yards Project in Brooklyn Clears Legal Hurdle
The last major obstacle to a groundbreaking for the $4.9 billion Atlantic Yards development in Brooklyn fell Tuesday when New York’s highest court, the Court of Appeals, dismissed a challenge to the state’s use of eminent domain on behalf of the developer, Bruce C. Ratner.