They build stadiums to house multiple venues, not just basketball. Jay-Z is also planning a concert on opening night.
They build stadiums to house multiple venues, not just basketball. Jay-Z is also planning a concert on opening night.
It was really short sighted of Ratner to scrap the ability for the arena to hold enough for an NHL team. Especially since the Islanders have had troubles getting their new arena for nearly a decade. Gehry's arena bowl design would have accomodated an NHL team with no issue.
Barclays Center would have the lowest capacity (14,500) for an NHL team, but that doesn't mean it can't happen.
There are a few giant arenas in the 20,000 range, but the average seems to be 17,500 - 18,500.
MSG ------------------18,200
Prudential Center-----17,600
Nassau Coliseum-----16,200
The smallest NHL venue is MTS Centre (Winnipeg Jets), 15,000.
The Islanders in Brooklyn would retain their connection to Calevision-MSG network. The programming content is one of the reasons the Rangers (Dolan) haven't blocked a move by the Islanders into the city.
Assuming nothing is going to get done in Nassau County, the Islanders will move after their lease expires in two years. Not too hard to move 20 miles into an already built new arena and a big TV network.
Considering that the Islanders average attendance is only 13,087 (81% cap.), I don't think it matters much, especially if they can charge more per seat here than they can in Nassau County.
Exactly ^
Fewer seats at higher prices work better for the arena operator.
Here's the price range that Barclay's website shows for Islanders v. Devils on October 2:
Lower Bowl Seating
US $14.50 - US $156.00US $14.50 Ticket + US $5.35 Fees =
US $19.85
US $156.00 Ticket +US $19.55 Fees =
US $175.55
Mid Bowl Seating
US $14.50 - US $71.00US $14.50 Ticket + US $5.35 Fees =
US $19.85
US $71.00 Ticket +US $10.10 Fees =
US $81.10
Upper Bowl Seating
US $14.50 - US $41.00US $14.50 Ticket + US $5.35 Fees =
US $19.85
US $41.00 Ticket + US $8.45 Fees =
US $49.45
Price range for B'ball Barclays Center Classic featuring Kentucky & Maryland on November 9:
Lower Bowl Seating
US $45.50 - US $256.00US $45.50 Ticket + US $9.05 Fees =
US $54.55
US $256.00 Ticket +US $26.80 Fees =
US $282.80
Mid Bowl Seating
US $45.50 - US $156.00US $45.50 Ticket + US $9.05 Fees =
US $54.55
US $156.00 Ticket +US $19.55 Fees =
US $175.55
Upper Bowl Seating
US $15.00 - US $30.50US $15.00 Ticket + US $5.35 Fees =
US $20.35
US $30.50 Ticket + US $7.70 Fees =
US $38.20
And for BROOKLYN HOOPS Winter Festival December 15:
Lower Bowl Seating
US $45.50 - US $256.00US $45.50 Ticket + US $8.55 Fees =
US $54.05
US $256.00 Ticket +US $31.80 Fees =
US $287.80
Mid Bowl Seating
US $30.50 - US $156.00US $30.50 Ticket + US $7.70 Fees =
US $38.20
US $156.00 Ticket +US $19.55 Fees =
US $175.55
Upper Bowl Seating
US $15.00 - US $30.50US $15.00 Ticket + US $6.35 Fees =
US $21.35
US $30.50 Ticket + US $7.70 Fees =
US $38.20
They're crazy, the Nets are pricing Brooklyn tickets higher than the Knicks. Prepare for a ghost town in there to most games, especially during the last 10 minutes when they're down 120-75 to the Wizards
Those prices are for a single event, so I'm not sure you can use them for a Knicks-Nets comparison.
Some info from articles posted last year at Atlantic Yards Reports:
Quote:
Notably, the Nets no longer plan Personal Seat Licenses (PSLs), which in both internal Forest City Ratner documents and a KPMG report from 2006 were supposed to bring $20 million in over two years in revenue from 4500 PSLs ($4444 each over two years).
That's likely a reflection of the recession, the drop-off in luxury spending, and the uncertainty of the product on the court.
Quote:
The new Nets prices are expected to be among the NBA’s highest in their inaugural season in Brooklyn and comparable to what the Knicks will charge at Madison Square Garden.
Quote:
Yormark said the average Nets ticket at Barclays Center would run $132 — more than double the $60 average for tickets to see the woeful Nets at Newark’s Prudential Center. In the 2006-2007 season, when the team was last a contender, the Nets’ average ticket ran $101.
*49% increase in Knicks tickets would make it $131.Quote:
Knicks tickets now average about $88, according to Forbes, but tickets are being jacked up an average of 49 percent next season following a three-year Garden renovation.
Somebody did their homework.
http://atlanticyardsreport.blogspot....-brooklyn.html
The Islanders are a joke of a franchise. The Devils will work that minor league team over and I will be there to watch it. The Islanders are last in attendence in the NHL; theyre arena hold 16,000 and they struggle to get 10,000 in there. Even with 14,500, they wouldn't sell out at Barclays or even come close.
The Devils aren't much less of a joke.
Islanders are #29 in the NHL in team valuation, but the Devils are #20. At least the Islanders have the excuse of being a shit team and playing in a dilapidated arena.
Worse, the Devils value dropped 17% during the year, most in the league.
The Islanders lost $8 million; the Devils lost $6 million.
Forbes
The Devils are one of the only consistently good teams in the NHL that can't sell out their arena on a regular basis. I'll leave that argument for another time and place though.
The actual number of seats for hockey at the Barclays center isn't what the true issue is. It's the way the seats would be set up. A similar situation existed when the Phoneix Coyotes franchise came into existance and played at a basketball centric arena in downtown Phoenix. Since the seats are closer to the court and an NHL rink is twice the size of an NBA court, an entire end of the arena becomes obstructed view. Thus, capacity is reduced and many prime seats are sacraficed.
It would be detrimental for the franchise to block off 30% of the premium lower bowl seats, 30% of the luxury boxes, and then obviously 30% of the upper deck.
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The Coyotes had to eventually build their own building.
Despite what the Barclays Center owners would tell you, the NHL would never allow a franchise to use an arena like this as a permanent home.
The Devils are one of four teams within a 1 hour and half drive and the youngest. We are one of the most succesful franchises in the NHL but we lose out to the Rangers and Flyers. The Devils finances lost are not due to not drawing which we do I go to games consistantly; Vanderbeek mismanaged his funds.
In regards to the Isles playing at Barclays; I agree the NHL will move em elsewhere than rather them play at Barlcays.
Are we really going to go through several years of NJ hoorah again, but this time about how pro hockey won't come to brooklyn now that the basketball argument is dead?
a small arena can be more profitable than a larger arena if the smaller one consistently sells out and charges more. the montreal expos played in a huge space as did the los angeles raiders. and there is a multitude of examples behind those. btw how does the capacity of citifield to compare to that of shea stadium?
you're so confident that the nhl would not approve a move to the barclays center. let's hear some specific reasoning that bears factual support rather than emotional speculation.
I see Arcman's point, but I don't think a New York Islanders - Phoenix Coyotes comparison is valid.
The Islanders are an established franchise in New York with a good fan base. The Coyotes have been managed by the NHL since the owner declared bankruptcy. They are still trying to find an owner. Wang wants to own the Islanders; he has withstood annual losses, but he needs a new facility. I doubt he will keep the team if they move to another city.
The NHL has financial problems, I don't think they're in a position to dictate policy that could lose them a good owner. And the Islanders don't have to permanently move into Barclay Center. They could sign a five-year deal, while Wang tries to find a permanent home in the area.
Again, you can't overlook the NY media market as a revenue source. The LA Angels didn't give Pujols a huge contract because their stadium attendance went up; they now have a TV network similar to those of the Yankees and Red Sox.
As for the Devils, they almost defaulted on loan payments last year; what saved them is an NHL policy not to allow teams to go bankrupt during the season. But they have another day of reckoning in July.
If teetering on bankruptcy is successful, I'm Warren Buffet's mentor.
Where do you see emotional speculation? Why would I be NJ hoorah-ing for the Islanders (...an existing New York team)? I gave some reasoning based on arena facts. Not to mention Gary Bettman has said he doesn't see the Barclays Center as being a feasable home for the Islanders long term. Personally, I wish Ratner had went with a larger arena so that the Islanders could move there. Would make the most sense for everyone and I would love nothing more than for the Islanders to find a permanent home in the NYC area.Quote:
Originally Posted by BrooklynLove
If the Barclays Center could work as a permanent home, it would have been used as leverage in the past few attempts at an arena in Nassau County. The only reason the Islanders to Brooklyn talk continues is because of the media (and the Barclays Center owners) driving it. Obviously any arena would love to have multiple tenants, but they simply wouldn't be able to host the Islanders on more than a temporary basis. The most logical scenario for the Islanders in Brooklyn is for them to play there on a year to year basis if and when the Nassau Coliseum is renovated or rebuilt. If the Islanders wind up in NYC, the most likely place would be Willets Point.