Atlantic Yards Development - Commercial, Residential, Retail, NBA Arena

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Originally Posted by RJW

...I live on Sterling, just a few blocks away and have no problems with it going in...

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Well, then lets all hope the creep of over development claims your home next. You won't mind.

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Originally Posted by ablarc

...When the project's built and seen to be a world-class attraction for everyone to feel proud of, you won't find a soul who admits to having opposed it.

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Quite the crystal ball you have there. Can you please ask it when the U.S. be out of Iraq or whether Jesus will really be back?

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Originally Posted by BrooklynRider

Well, then lets all hope the creep of over development claims your home next. You won't mind.

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I wouldn't in the context of getting paid well above market. I just don’t see this project as over-development. Bigger is not necessarily better but neither is it unquestionably worse. This is not to say that I don't believe in preservation but there is a big difference between preserving neighborhoods like Park Slope and the few blocks of mostly undesirable eyesore that you are so desperately clinging to. I have been here for years and seen nothing but gradual improvement as a result of the development efforts around AtlanticCenter. A train rail yard, a gas station, a U-Hual center and few decent but disconnected brownstones and loft buildings (in a city of many thousands) should not stand in the way of a world class development such as the one proposed.

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Originally Posted by BrooklynRider

Quite the crystal ball you have there. Can you please ask it when the U.S. be out of Iraq or whether Jesus will really be back?

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Only the first part is even a little speculative.

The second part you can get by looking backward. People don't admit to having been part of losing causes; in 1946 there were no former Nazis in Germany.

I'm not sure what qualntifies "world class". This one just happens to be big. Ratner has a track record and "world class" isn't a term I would use to describe anything he has built.

I think it would erroneous to credit the development in Brooklyn around Atlantic Terminal to Ratner. The city is going through a real estate boom that is making condo's very profitable and spurring tis development. Also, the rezoning of 4th Avenue and Downtown Brooklyn have a lot to do with this. Every building either side of Flatbush Avenue, from the Manhattan Bridge to the Atlantic Terminal, is for sale. The Avenue is lined with Massey Knakal signs. It could be good it could be bad. It will all be dependent on quality architecture (another area Ratner fails miserably).

But, I join you in hoping for the very best - even if our vision of it is different.

^ It's not Ratner who will make this world class; it's Gehry. Does anyone know the name of the developer of Guggenheim Bilbao?

I base "world class" on the track record of the architect, the developer in hiring the architect and the plans and designs I have seen thus far. There is always a risk in reaching for the stars but only in doing so is an Empire State Building, a Brooklyn Bridge or a Rockefeller Center achieved.

^ Well said.

The last rendering released confirms for me that a Gehry design ain't what it used to be. He may not be a "one trick pony", but his other tricks don't "wow" me. And, there is nothing to say that Gehry will actually design any of this. This seems more akin to Daniel Liebskind designing the WTC site. The actual designs have been wonderful thus far - just like the pictures.

But, we'll see.

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Originally Posted by ablarc

...Does anyone know the name of the developer of Guggenheim Bilbao?

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Did you say GUGGENHEIM Bilbao? Hmmm.... Who could that client have been?

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Originally Posted by BrooklynRider

The last rendering released confirms for me that a Gehry design ain't what it used to be. He may not be a "one trick pony", but his other tricks don't "wow" me. And, there is nothing to say that Gehry will actually design any of this. This seems more akin to Daniel Liebskind designing the WTC site. The actual designs have been wonderful thus far - just like the pictures.

But, we'll see.

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Well compared to the architectural tripe (MetroTech) we usually get in Brooklyn they do "wow" me and I have read nothing to support the supposition that Gehry's design is anything akin to Daniel Liebeskind's intentionally vague (and therefore "design by committee" winning) WTC blueprint. Waiting to see is a devil in any proposed development.

Ah, these star architects.....

http://www.pps.org/info/newsletter/a...omepage_center


(scroll down for more gehry)
http://www.pps.org/info/newsletter/j...y_2004_feature

And of course:

http://www.kunstler.com/eyesore_200405.html


Does Brooklyn really want to hand over so much space to a guy who has NEVER built a building that is street friendly?

Gerhy should be proposing a new 2Columbus Circle.... he´d be brilliant doing a building on a site like that... a piece of sculpture on it´s own little island.

^ He does.

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Originally Posted by RJW

All this complaining about greedy developers is ridiculous. Almost every building we hold dear in New York City was developed by the motivation of profit. It is the American way.

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Exactly. And this housing development offers more than any other development has or will. The same old tired arguments are just that, tired.

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Originally Posted by Fabrizio

...Does Brooklyn really want to hand over so much space to a guy who has NEVER built a building that is street friendly?

Gerhy should be proposing a new 2Columbus Circle.... he´d be brilliant doing a building on a site like that... a piece of sculpture on it´s own little island.

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That sums it up very nicely.

Someone say, "Amen!"