7/9/09
7/9/09
Hi everybody,
I just found this video here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJhXs1d7OVs#%20
At 1:20 you can see a design of the water-pools but without the waterfalls.
Because the rest of the design matches what I have seen so far of the memorial I am wondering if they really kicked out the idea of the waterfalls. Haven't heard about that in any of your here :confused:
It's not new.
The design in that clip was one of the finalists in the memorial competition.
Lower Waters
I've never even HEARD of them before in the first place.
Most of those designs look like shards of glass! I think the last thing ANYONE wants for the NWTC is stuff that looks like shards of glass.
I'm so glad that Libeskind's original designs of the towers were thrown out
because they looked like that! :)
7/16/09
The outlines of the Snohetta visitors center building (and the two other above-ground structures that will sit on the west side of the Memorial site) are seen in the cut-outs of the metal in the last two pictures.
I'm wondering how they're going to disassemble that crawler crane and get it out of the pit with space so tight around it now.
I think they beat you to it. I just checked the webcam and the arm of the crane is disconnected and laying on top of the memorial decking.Quote:
Originally Posted by Travis
Heh, that's funny. Did anyone catch how they did it?
I looked late last night and it appeared that they were preparing to use the 2 cranes up on top to lift it out. This morning I see the counterweights being loaded onto trucks to be taken away.Quote:
Originally Posted by Travis
I see they lowered down a smaller mobile crane and it drove under the steel framework to the south pool to erect some steel from within. Pretty neat.
Does anyone know why what appears to be the remains of that ramp is still hanging around?
They are keeping a small section of it to display in the museum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daquan13
7/23/09
That's the crane they used before, in the pit, when they needed to lift really heavy beams. They must mean business getting that heavy thing out there.
It's not quite that big, it has 5 axles, the monster had 7, still a big crane though.
Thanks again GreenwichBoy for the great pics !
Ah, yes, looking back at those older pics I see you are correct.
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Originally Posted by uakoops
Why don't they just collect every little part that has to do with Ground Zero, including the Kangaroo cranes and put THEM in there also? Geez!!! :rolleyes:
Don't give them ideas.;)
Yeah, they just might do it. :(
MJ's Elephant Man has been earmarked for inclusion in the museum (south-west corner).
Daquan, the likely reason is that the ramp became strongly connected to the recovery efforts (for one example, it was used to ceremoniously carry out the last piece of structural steel for 2WTC) and commemorations (the processions to recognize the anniversary of the attack). Because of this, the ramp has some historical sense to it. I don't see much of a problem of holding onto a small part of the ramp, just like I don't see a problem with the Survivors' Staircase or chunks of facade.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daquan13
As always, I'd also caution you to remain calm. I understand you have strong feelings about the reconstruction efforts and the various camps involved, but try to keep the stronger reactions to a minimum, okay?
I'm with Daquan on this one. The ramp preservation is moronic, and since it is being preserved with our tax dollars, we have every reason to be outraged by it.
I agree that keeping the ramp is silly. Throw in a portapotty while you're at it.
Perhaps the inclusion of the ramp is a cost cutting measure to make the lower depths of the Museum ADA compliant?
They should include one of the wheels from the Popemobile that touched the surface of the ramp as he rode down.Quote:
Originally Posted by lofter1
The ramp section should not be included in the museum, such a dumb idea!
PB should donate his simple white double-breasted peak-lapeled gown worn during his GZ visit to the Museum ...
http://gothamist.com/attachments/jen...04_popegz7.jpg
http://z.about.com/d/catholicism/1/0...McLoughlin.jpg
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/image...zero512av2.jpg
Not sure if this was posted already:
WTC's "Last Column" Prepared For Display
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The beam will be moved later this summer, and preservationists are preparing it for transport. They have taken painstaking steps to preserve the messages, many of which are damaged from exposure to the elements.
It should be about the people who died that day.
I think we should cage Prince Harry and put him in a WTC zoological exhbit of prominent visitors to the site.
Street work could delay memorial opening, official warns
By Julie Shapiro
If the 9/11 memorial at the World Trade Center site is going to open on the 10th anniversary of the attacks, two things are necessary: first, a completed memorial plaza, and second, a way to access it.
Work on the memorial itself has been moving forward rapidly since the beginning of the year, said Joe Daniels, president of the National September 11 Memorial & Museum.
But the memorial plaza won’t be able to open unless the millions of expected visitors are able to access it through a rebuilt Greenwich St. running across the Trade Center site, and that is the piece that has Daniels concerned.
“What we can’t have is a scenario where the memorial is literally an island that is inaccessible by the parts around it,” Daniels said during a City Council hearing Monday. “The most important thing that we need…is pedestrian access on the 10th anniversary, which requires to some extent Greenwich St. to be accessible by pedestrians.”
Over the past year, Daniels and many others have been pushing for the memorial to open by 9/11/11, complete with waterfalls in the tower footprints and a listing of victims’ names on the parapets. During Monday’s hearing, Daniels returned several times to the necessity of having Greenwich St. open for the 10-year anniversary, a piece of the overall W.T.C. project that is out of his control.
Greenwich St. does not have to be entirely complete by the anniversary, but it has to be in good enough shape that people can walk on it, Daniels said.
The Port Authority, which owns the W.T.C. site and is responsible for rebuilding Greenwich St., said last October that the street would not be done until at least the middle of 2012. Silverstein Properties, the private developer at the site, is also concerned about the schedule for Greenwich St. and has said the Port’s estimate may be too optimistic.
“We have committed to getting the memorial open by the 10th anniversary and we are on schedule to meet that commitment,” Port spokesperson Steve Coleman said in an e-mail.
Daniels said it’s also important for the memorial to remain open and accessible after the anniversary.
“This cannot be a one-day or a temporary opening,” Daniels said.The Port at one time had planned a short-term opening in 2011 while it completed the underground construction over the following two years, but last year the authority promised to keep the memorial plaza open to some unspecified extent after the 9/11/11 ceremony.
When City Councilmember Alan Gerson heard about Daniels’ concerns Monday, he asked Daniels to give him a schedule of what else the Port Authority has to do to get the memorial open on time, and when the work has to be done.
Daniels replied that he is also relying on the Port Authority to do steel installation connecting the memorial to surrounding projects. Steel installation on the northeast and southeast corners has to start this fall if the memorial is to remain on schedule, Daniels said.
Coleman did not respond to questions about the schedule of steel installation, but the Port previously redesigned the underground mezzanine of the PATH hub so that the northeast corner of the memorial could be built earlier.
Later in Monday’s hearing, Gerson pressed Daniels on an issue that has long been contentious: the absence of rank in the listing of the victims’ names.Initially, the memorial was going to list the names randomly with fire or police insignias near uniformed officers, but many family members objected, particularly relatives of fallen first responders, who wanted them to be distinguished.
The ultimate compromise was that victims would be grouped by affiliation, whether that meant the corporation they worked for or the F.D.N.Y. company in which they served. But the memorial foundation decided not to include the first responders’ ranks. Daniels said many family members objected to the inclusion of rank because it would create a hierarchy among those who were killed.
Gerson objected to that line of thinking.
“I don’t believe including the rank an individual earned…in any way detracts from anyone else,” he said.
Sally Regenhard, whose son was a probationary firefighter killed on 9/11, also said at the hearing that rank should be included.
The foundation made the final decision to not include rank at the end of 2006, but since the issue surfaced recently, Daniels has been e-mailing family members to describe the configuration of the names and the justification for not including rank. In two e-mails to family members and his testimony Monday, Daniels cited several memorials that do not include ranks, such as the Vietnam Memorial in Washington, D.C., and several national police and firefighter memorials.
“There is no right answer to the difficult question of how to do this,” Daniels wrote in one e-mail.
Michelle Breslauer, spokesperson for the memorial foundation, said Daniels received many responses from family members who are happy with the current names configuration.
While Daniels did not give Gerson the answer he wanted about the rankings, Gerson was happy to hear that Daniels has more confidence now than he did last year that the memorial would be finished in time for the 10-year anniversary.
“This is good news, and it’ll be even greater news when it actually happens,” Gerson said.
http://www.downtownexpress.com/de_327/streetwork.html
Not so surprising, given the fact that stuff for Ground Zero just seems to have an awful lot of monkey wrenches thrown into them.
But I imagine that my main concern is just exactly WHERE all that stuff is going to go in the museum. Also, tons and tons of artifacts from the 09-11 terror attacks are being stored at the JFK hangar.
Will the building be large enough to display all of the stuff? One has to wonder. I'm quite sure that there are severely damaged vehicles there also, like police cruisers and fire trucks. Is all of that going to fit in there as well? The building will only be but so big. :confused:
The Memorial / Museum space below grade is mammoth. Lots of space to fill -- and with the volume it holds those things need to be BIG.
On another note ...
Gerson has proven himself toothless and somewhat inept in achieving goals.
The two-term Councilmember has also been knocked off the upcoming ballot for his self-imposed re-re-election to NY City Council. Seems he doesn't know how to do paperwork properly. Not a good trait for a bureaucrat.
Not unlike most of the items that we display in museums of ancient civilizations - pottery, ordinary tools, anything scribbled on a flat rock.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daquan13
Thanks, guys.
How about the partially charred desk-items that wound up as street litter? Isn't that "stuff"?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sherpa
But if they put every little thing in there, wouldn't they run out of room?
I realise that Lofter1 said that there's a huge area underground, but I'm not sure if they know it for sure what the limit is.
I don't see how they could possibly please everyone in how they will organize the names. At a certain point you just need to have someone unilaterally declare how it will be and just stick to that decision, criticism be damned.
And the victims who died in the attacks on the Pentagon and Pensylvania, THEIR names are supposed to go there as well.
What in the world is that thing in the South West Quadrant of the memorial plaza today?
It doesnt look like a traditional concrete pumper. More like a chute of some sort? But no concrete trucks anywhere.
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Originally Posted by BiggieSmalls
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There were several trucks dumping some sort of stone or gravel and pumping down to the lower or ground level.
It's going to be a building several stories deep and several acres wide on each side. That will be plenty of volume to put all sorts of large artifacts in, though the logistics of putting the largest ones in there still remains a curious matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daquan13
I believe they will have removable panels so that they can lift down the bigger artifacts by crane.
Some of the biggest pieces (column sections etc.) will be going in very soon, before they close up the holes in the deck.Quote:
Originally Posted by Travis
Usher
thread has been quite.. surprising given all the developments and the closing of the western Pit.
I see the temporary bridge over the path access way has been removed and is being dismantled. Should be interesting to see how that space is filled.
Lots of concrete being poored in and around the plaza. The Giv has stated the memorial plaza will be open on 9/11/09 for families. Good news!@!
Next steps seem to be the South West quadrant over the path tracks and the eastern part of the south fountain. I see some pumper trucks laying in some foundations so maybe that progress is sooner rather than later. With the PATH room removed it is likely.
QUESTION __ How deep are they going with the crete on the plaza and will they be using planter boxes for the trees or just dumping 6 fee of fill on the whole area before laying out the trees.?
All that root system from the mature trees may wreak havok on the crete below. Im sure that's been thought through with some barrier before the fill.
They are a actually creating a suspended planting area (with drainage capabilities) for the trees which will sit atop and within a substructure to be erected above the concrete "floor" of the plaza.
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The Plaza Structure
The Memorial Plaza actually sits atop a 70-foot below-grade building that houses a museum, a train station, and other facilities that fill the chasm left by the events of 9/11.
In order to grow healthy trees in this context, the trees on the Memorial quadrant will be installed in a suspended paving system that has been devised by Peter Walker and Partners. The paving of the plaza will rest on a series of pre-cast concrete tables that “suspend” the Plaza over troughs of planting soil that run the full width of the Plaza.
The suspended paving system will allow the soil to remain uncompacted, since the paving that people walk on is separated from the planting soil below. Many urban trees live in stressful conditions because they are planted under pavements on which people walk or drive, thereby compacting the soil so severely that the roots cannot extend through it to gather water and nutrients ...
The Plaza has been designed to collect the stormwater in tanks below the Plaza surface. The storage potential will exceed the irrigation needs of the Plaza. Daily and monthly irrigation requirements will be met by the harvested stormwater.
^Very interesting....and smart. I can't wait to see how that is installed.
Seems it's the same structural idea that's been used at the High Line, but on a much larger scale.
GOOD STUFF!!
Thanks for that
According to Project Rebirth the restored "last column" will be returning to ground zero on Monday to be installed in the underground Memorial Museum
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PROJECT REBIRTH
On Monday, we'll have two crews filming the Last Column's return to the WTC site. Its very moving departure was one of our earliest shoots.7 minutes ago from web <<<<
Daily News picked up the story at
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/2009...te_monday.html