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    Cuomo will tell the city, you can get a somewhat...

    Cuomo will tell the city, you can get a somewhat improved Penn Station if you keep MSG, but if you force MSG to close, no money will be forthcoming to tear down MSG and build the Penn Palace. That...
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    You do realize that Cuomo just eliminated any...

    You do realize that Cuomo just eliminated any hope of MSG moving anywhere, don't you. It's now a done deal that it's staying.
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    Just think about how much money MSG brings in...

    Just think about how much money MSG brings in (and how much money the Dolan's can and will spend in campaign contributions to save it.) MSG is not going anywhere.
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    It's not a lease. MSG owns the property. It's...

    It's not a lease. MSG owns the property. It's not going anywhere. The Dolans seem to be in on this deal. I get the feeling that there's a swap in place where the MTA will get whatever they call...
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    I think pretty low. The ownership of the garden...

    I think pretty low. The ownership of the garden will fight tooth and nail, and point out, rightly, that no one is going to come up with the money to build a new, palatial Penn Station. If they're...
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    I guess no on cares.

    I guess no on cares.
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    If anyone still cares, it looks like they're...

    If anyone still cares, it looks like they're going to be starting over from scratch, booting the existing developers. Years ago in this same thread, I said this was starting to look like a...
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    Is any actual construction happening with...

    Is any actual construction happening with Farley/Moynihan? Is this project dead in the water?
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    I have a feeling in ten years, they'll get...

    I have a feeling in ten years, they'll get renewed again. They'll be a hell of a court fight before the city could shut it down.

    And if they don't, what do you think is going to go there? Most...
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    Maybe instead of a new station, they need another...

    Maybe instead of a new station, they need another tunnel or two to Queens. This way, the commuters could spend less time in the current station.
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    So they're not just nuking MSG. They're nuking...

    So they're not just nuking MSG. They're nuking all the Penn Plaza towers, and everything else on the blocks from 33rd to 34th and 30th to 31st (at least. I'm not sure if 29th to 30th is in there...
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    In point of fact, Penn Station as it originally...

    In point of fact, Penn Station as it originally stood, was a huge waste of space, and space that could be much better used.
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    Why bother coming to NYC for a trade show to be...

    Why bother coming to NYC for a trade show to be in some outer borough Siberia?

    It's Moyihan Station that's looking line the boondoggle.
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    That wouldn't work. They need something bigger...

    That wouldn't work. They need something bigger than Javits, and the Farley building in it's entirety, is smaller than Javitz.
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    The problem is that a lot of those buildings are...

    The problem is that a lot of those buildings are probably functionally obsolete. Maybe they could be gut ronovated to bring them up to date, but I wonder if they also have unused air rights that...
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    When is Farley/Moinihan supposed to open?

    When is Farley/Moinihan supposed to open?
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    Are they moving NJT commuter terminal out of the...

    Are they moving NJT commuter terminal out of the existing Penn to Moynihan? Is the LIRR terminal at GCT in addition to or a replacement for the current Penn terminal? This article makes it sound...
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    Even if MSG was ever relocated, there no chance...

    Even if MSG was ever relocated, there no chance the old pen would be rebuilt. There's no money in it for anyone, and the gov't is already funding one rail station boodoggle (Farley). To rebuild old...
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    Define "help"? They got a zoning variance, in...

    Define "help"? They got a zoning variance, in return at least partially, for transit improvements. I don't know if it's getting tax abatements, and if so, anything beyond the 'standard' ones.
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    The owner should be the one to decide. If the...

    The owner should be the one to decide. If the gov't is the owner, it's the call of whatever agency is controlling the building. If the gov't is kicking in money, they can attach strings.
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    This is fundamentally, incredibly, completely...

    This is fundamentally, incredibly, completely wrong. The government should have NOTHING to do with building aesthetics. It's the owners building, he should decide what it looks like. He he wants a...
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