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    The Backlash Continues - A Major Victory for Civil Liberties

    Something good happened here in Europe yesterday - we have them on the run...

    Retention of innocent people's DNA and fingerprint records by police is illegal, the European Court of Human Rights...
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    ‘Big Brother’ database for phones and e-mails - it just goes on and on...

    From The Times
    May 20, 2008

    A massive government database holding details of every phone call, e-mail and time spent on the internet by the public is being planned as part of the fight against...
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    The Men In Blue

    It is apparent that the "Men in Blue" have the purpose of projecting China's totalitarian style intimidation to each and every country the torch passes through.

    Any state, any government that...
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    You could have chosen your historical examples...

    You could have chosen your historical examples with more accuracy! I see a different tradition in British policing; the tradition from the Peterloo Massacre through to the violent suppression of...
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    If people would spend half the effort actually...

    If people would spend half the effort actually pressuring their elected officials to do something, the effect would be much greater than running out and grabbing a stupid industrial cigarette lighter...
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    I could not disagree with you more. The simple...

    I could not disagree with you more. The simple act of providing that level of intimadatory protection for what was and is a blatant propaganda tool for the Chinese government is in and of itself an...
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    Olympic Torch Protests

    Thousands of Police attempted to protect the Olympic Torch on its 30 mile journey around London yesterday. Peaceful protesters angry against China's hijacking of the Olympic Torch for their own...
  8. ...in a word: "OIL". Chinese researchers have...

    ...in a word: "OIL".

    Chinese researchers have discovered massive new gas and oil deposits totaling an estimated 4 billion to 5.4 billion tons in Tibet. The frightened, freedom hating gangsters who...
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    No

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    Mike - ID cards have NOTHING whatsoever to do...

    Mike - ID cards have NOTHING whatsoever to do with proving someones identity. The cards are simply the physical manifestation of the underlying database which underpins the system - this is where the...
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    The Government recognised that they were losing...

    The Government recognised that they were losing the argument amongst the public for the NIR, particularly when, through their own sheer incompetance the repeatedly lost millions of peoples most...
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    Allow me to inform you....these are the pure...

    Allow me to inform you....these are the pure unembellished facts as taken from the Bill which informs you about the NIR followed by some FAQ's:-

    The problems with "ID Cards"
    Not just a card. The...
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    No - I don't think there are any such pressure...

    No - I don't think there are any such pressure groups, certainly not in a politically organised way.

    There is an information and campaigning site called www.no2id.net you can visit if you are...
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    The first US ID Card

    ...not in the conventional sense but close enough.

    Name and Document form: Special Identification Tags with family number. Persons of all ages were required to hang the special Tag from the lapel...
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    Group Classification on National ID Cards

    Here are some more examples of ID cards which were used in genocides and ethnic cleansing. Of particular interest to you guys should be the US ID card/tag that was used against your own citizens a...
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    British Government abandons National Congestion Charge

    The British Government this week abandoned national congestion charging after two million people signed a petition against it. People believed the pervasive surveilance required was not wanted and...
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    It's announced - Americans coming to UK req. ID card

    The British government today announced their policy on ID cards. Non EU nationals (this is YOU) coming to the UK will be required to enroll on the UK National Identity Register from next year and...
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    Victory! :):):)

    The British Government today announced they have abandoned their efforts to introduce country wide congestion charges. An overwhelming backlash against persistant state surveilance of their every...
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    I fear so. The British people (mostly) are in...

    I fear so. The British people (mostly) are in favour of more government not less. I call this "total government syndrome". It is deeply puzzling.

    When I talk to my Russian friends, late at night...
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    I fear so. The British people (mostly) are in...

    I fear so. The British people (mostly) are in favour of more government not less. I call this "total government syndrome". It is deeply puzzling.

    When I talk to my Russian friends, late at night...
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    I'm sorry but your arguments are lost on me. It...

    I'm sorry but your arguments are lost on me. It is you guys who are jumping on naziism whereas I am making the point that when any government takes such a deep interest, not to say ownership in ones...
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    You may have been correct citing "godwins" except...

    You may have been correct citing "godwins" except for my inclusion of the Vorkuta reference so I guess your citing of godwins falls down there. Also Rwanda in the above post.

    Tragically, there...
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    I'm so sorry you thougth this thread...

    I'm so sorry you thougth this thread unintelligent Alonzo. The topic is important to some of us.

    Governments don't commit genocides, people do - this is the real lesson from history. When Tutsi...
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    Alonzo – since intellectual arguments have not...

    Alonzo – since intellectual arguments have not influenced you may I respectfully suggest that you take the subway to 47th street in Manhattan and take a walk down that street, perhaps pop into each...
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    New BBC Drama shows a Britain in the very near future

    for those of you with 90 minutes and a broadband connection a new BBC drama shows how a Britain will look in the very near furture based on ID cards, the database state and comprehensive...
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