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    Ex-Prime Minister Baroness Thatcher dies, aged 87

    Baroness Thatcher was the first woman to be UK prime minister, winning three elections
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    Former Prime Minister Baroness Thatcher has died "peacefully" at the age of 87 after suffering a stroke, her family has announced.
    Successor David Cameron called her a "great Briton" and the Queen spoke of her sadness at the death.
    Lady Thatcher was Conservative prime minister from 1979 to 1990. She was the first woman to hold the role.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-22067155

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    Ding dong, the witch is dead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IrishInNYC View Post
    Ding dong, the witch is dead.
    Britain's best and most formidable Prime Minister since Churchill. Your crass comment just underlines your stupidity.
    Last edited by Binky Bainbridge; April 8th, 2013 at 11:24 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Binky Bainbridge View Post
    Britain's best and most formidable Prime Minister since Churchill. Your crass comment just underlines your stupidity.
    You mean conservative Prime Minister I assume. Few would argue that either were as good as Attlee.

    As for the crass comment, I'm not going to be drawn into an argument over the virtues (or lack thereof) of Thatcher. As a "Catholic" growing up under practical martial law in Northern Ireland during her reign, my opinion of her will clearly be much different than most people. Her allowing one of her own MP's to die while on hunger strike will never be anything less than a fact. The 'Poll Tax' riots that ushered her out the door are more than a slight blemish also.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Binky Bainbridge View Post
    Britain's best and most formidable Prime Minister since Churchill. Your crass comment just underlines your stupidity.
    Most 'formidable' is a fair enough statement; but, 'best' for who is the question. She was undoubtably "formidable" to all - but the 'worst' to many.

    My understanding (admittedly little) is that Margaret Thatcher was a classic upper crust elitist who had little sympathy -or understanding of- for the working class, and unemployed of the UK - a real "let them eat cake" character like her mirror image Marie Antoinette of an earlier age in Europe.

    If she were in charge today she would have made the final public spending cuts necessary to put a final end the NHS health service: something, by the way, I believe is now a real possibility under current conservative party leader.

    She was big spending cuts, privatizing, breaking union contracts and just pulling back on as much of the social welfare system as politically possible.

    All life if precious, and I have sympathies regarding her loss; and for the loss her friends and family are now enduring: but her political legacy is best put to rest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by infoshare View Post
    Most 'formidable' is a fair enough statement; but, 'best' for who is the question. She was undoubtably "formidable" to all - but the 'worst' to many.

    My understanding (admittedly little) is that Margaret Thatcher was a classic upper crust elitist who had little sympathy -or understanding of- for the working class, and unemployed of the UK - a real "let them eat cake" character like her mirror image Marie Antoinette of an earlier age in Europe.
    Her father ran a small corner grocery shop, she came from a very modest background and everything she gained she did so through her own efforts and determination.

    If she were in charge today she would have made the final public spending cuts necessary to put a final end the NHS health service: something, by the way, I believe is now a real possibility under current conservative party leader.
    Welfare accounts for one of the biggest budget items in the UK and has grown at an unsustainable level, particularly during the Labour government years. The Welfare State started off as a safety net for those in real need and has now become a dependency cushion for millions of people who feel that they can/should live off the State. Your comment about the Conservatives is incorrect, the Conservatives have ring-fenced the NHS budget but is trying to make its bloated bureaucracy more efficient, a measure that is long overdue.

    She was big spending cuts, privatizing, breaking union contracts and just pulling back on as much of the social welfare system as politically possible.
    When Maggie became Prime Minister she inherited a country that was almost ungovernable. The previous Labour government had allowed the powerful Union bosses to dictate to them over beer & sandwiches at no.10 Downing Street. Garbage was piled up in the streets uncollected, dead bodies could not be buried, the economy was collapsing, there was chaos in society. To her credit Maggie had the courage to stand up to the bully boy unions and introduce long overdue reforms. The dead hand of socialism was replaced by a fresh invigorating entrepreneurial spirit that unleashed the pent-up frustrations of those who wanted to get on in life. People could buy their council houses instead of forever being a council tenant, people could start businesses, and the big old inefficient State-owned industries were privatised.

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    She wasn't at all from the "upper class" ...

    Margaret Thatcher dies: from grocer's daughter to MP

    The Telegraph

    Margaret Thatcher's journey from Grantham grocer’s daughter to 10 Downing Street was not quite without parallel — her predecessor, Ted Heath, started from if anything more humble origins — but her achievement over 11 years once she reached the highest office left most of her fellow prime ministers way behind ...

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    The Grocer's Daughter

    REVIEW: THE PATH TO POWER
    By Margaret Thatcher.

    NY TIMES
    July 9, 1995

    I often think it's comical
    How nature always does contrive
    That every boy and every gal,
    That's born into the world alive,
    Is either a little Liberal
    Or else a little Conservative.


    So wrote W. S. Gilbert, and Margaret Thatcher tells us in "The Path to Power" that as a child she was fond of the Gilbert and Sullivan operas. Perhaps we don't choose our political beliefs; perhaps they come from the ways and views of our parents, the circumstances of our birth and first impressions. The young Thatcher was clearly born to be a Conservative. The corner shop in provincial Grantham was kept shiningly efficient by her adored father, who managed to acquire other shops and become the local mayor, leading a life devoted to Methodism, success in business and self-improvement. The advantage of this childhood was that it gave the budding Conservative the strength to impose the values of the corner shop on the politics of a nation. The disadvantage was that it made her quite unable to understand, or even tolerate, those whose aims, ideals and ambitions were entirely different.

    The childhood chapters form the most revealing and best-written section of this hefty book. Provincial England in the 1930's is evoked touchingly, as is the pride in the mahogany spice drawers with burnished brass handles, the tall lacquered tea canisters of the "specialist grocers," the holidays at the seaside with visits to concert parties at the end of the pier, the pretty girl reading Kipling and Ella Wheeler Wilcox and working hard enough to end up in Oxford. We don't, it is true, hear too much about the mother, who years later was left out of Margaret Thatcher's "Who's Who" entry, although she did tell David Frost, in a recent television interview, that her mother kept the house marvelously clean and the book reveals that she made the children's clothes. Lady Thatcher's sister, Muriel, is also a passing shadow. But her father, Alfred Roberts, is there in all his glory, playing bowls, being a pillar of the Rotary Club (Hitler was condemned early because he "crushed the Rotary in Germany"), standing for the council, going to church, avoiding drink until he became mayor, when he allowed himself an occasional cherry brandy ...


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    Quote Originally Posted by IrishInNYC View Post
    You mean conservative Prime Minister I assume. Few would argue that either were as good as Attlee.
    No, I don't mean Conservative, I mean Prime Minister, full stop, although I wouldn't argue against including Attlee with both Churchill and Thatcher in terms of the contributions thay made to Britain.

    As a "Catholic" growing up under practical martial law in Northern Ireland during her reign, my opinion of her will clearly be much different than most people. Her allowing one of her own MP's to die while on hunger strike will never be anything less than a fact. The 'Poll Tax' riots that ushered her out the door are more than a slight blemish also.
    ... and the IRA blowing up the Grand Hotel in Brighton in an attempt to murder the British government? Murdering Lord Mountbatten? Car bombing Airey Neave? We could go on and on ..... but what's the point? I too was a "Catholic" with strong connections to the Republican south of Ireland but it in no way detracts from my admiration for Maggie and what she did. It's my belief that the Community Charge (labelled the "poll tax" by the Left in an attempt to politicise it) was/is fairer than the current council tax in many respects.
    Last edited by Binky Bainbridge; April 9th, 2013 at 04:29 AM.

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    If you only set out to be liked, you'd be willing to compromise on anything.

    Margaret Thatcher
    (paraphrasing)


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    Good quote: here is another one: also irrefutably true.

    "The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money," she once said,

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    Quote Originally Posted by infoshare View Post
    "The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money," she once said,


    Another quote: "Europe was created by history. America was created by philosphy."

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    Quote Originally Posted by infoshare View Post
    Good quote: here is another one: also irrefutably true.

    "The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money," she once said,
    Also applies to any number of schemes now used by the big money guys in the USA (aka Wall Street Bail Out)

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    Lofter, just substitute the words "Wall Street" for socialism, and I think we get the drift.

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