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  1. #181


    I don't think it's going to look anything like that.

  2. #182


    They just needed the million to keep the project from dieing altogether and people involved from looking for other work. I don't have a lot of faith in the climate of throwing half a billion out with only vague projections of monetary return surviving the coming days.
    They'll be lucky if Durst doesn't get ahold of it and turn it into a parking garage.

  3. #183


    Quote Originally Posted by Nomadd View Post
    They just needed the million to keep the project from dieing altogether and people involved from looking for other work. I don't have a lot of faith in the climate of throwing half a billion out with only vague projections of monetary return surviving the coming days.
    They'll be lucky if Durst doesn't get ahold of it and turn it into a parking garage.
    I don't understand anything in this post.

    What do Douglas Durst, parking garages, "projections of monetary return" and "people involved from looking for other work" have to do with the Performing Arts Center?

    Durst has no relationship with anything at the WTC, there is no public parking at the WTC, cultural facilities aren't built based on a for profit model, and the Performing Arts Center currently only has one employee.

    And the $1 million is just a seed fund for starting the planning. The project already has $100 million from the LMDC, and will commence fundraising.

  4. #184


    Today's internet quiz:

    Find the sarcasm.

  5. #185


    Quote Originally Posted by Nomadd View Post
    They just needed the million to keep the project from dieing altogether and people involved from looking for other work. I don't have a lot of faith in the climate of throwing half a billion out with only vague projections of monetary return surviving the coming days.
    They'll be lucky if Durst doesn't get ahold of it and turn it into a parking garage.
    Durst actually released an alternative rendering of the proposed Arts Center today.

  6. #186


    ^I remember those! They were sooo cool.

  7. #187


    That looks even more like my kids' playroom!

  8. #188


    New York Times
    March 26, 2013

    Plans for Ground Zero Arts Hub Shift Again


    A rendering of a preliminary design by Gehry Partners for a performing arts center at ground zero.

    And then there were none.

    When a performing arts center was first planned for the former World Trade Center site, four cultural organizations were chosen after a high-profile competition to anchor a complex that would make ground zero a new and vibrant cultural destination.

    But over the years each of the organizations has fallen away.

    The International Freedom Center — which was to explore human rights — was scuttled by Gov. George E. Pataki for attracting “too much controversy.” The Drawing Center, stung by criticism that some of its exhibitions had been “anti-American,” stayed in SoHo and renovated. And New York City decided that the Signature Theater would be too expensive, so that company built a new home on Theater Row instead.

    That left only the Joyce Theater, which was to make the proposed center a home for dance as the reigning tenant and to call it the International Dance Center. Now, quietly, the plans have changed yet again. The performing arts center will instead be a multidisciplinary space that includes theater, music and film, as well as dance, said Maggie Boepple, its president. While the Joyce will retain a role at the site, dance will just be one part of many different kinds of programming.

    After nine years of waiting and adjusting, the Joyce might be expected to be frustrated by this development. But Linda Shelton, the Joyce’s executive director, said her organization believed that to be part of the arts center in some way was better than not being part of it at all.

    “Am I disappointed that it’s not going to be all dance all the time?” she said. “Of course I am. But I’m patient and I’m realistic, so I want to be there with whatever it is.”

    As part of the new vision the center is shopping for an artistic director who will play a strong role in defining the direction and identity of the center.

    “There is interest all over the world in this job,” Ms. Boepple said. “Whoever is the artistic head of this will be in charge of everything,”

    City officials say the adjustment was necessary if the arts center were to be a viable enterprise in Lower Manhattan. “The Joyce can only use it so many weeks of the year,” said Julie Menin, the former chairwoman of Community Board 1, who serves on the arts center board. “It always made sense to have more than one cultural tenant.”

    With the programming and price tag still to be determined, the board said it could not begin to raise money for the arts center, which is being designed by Frank Gehry. Previous estimates have ranged from $300 million to $700 million.

    “Until we have set the programming, we can’t be asking people to give money,” Ms. Menin said.

    To lower the construction costs the board has eliminated some features from the center, like classrooms. More critically the number of stages has been reduced from the four that were originally called for — three for the Signature and one for the Joyce — to a main stage and a 200-seat flexible space.

    But even those plans remain in flux. The main stage had originally been touted as a 1,000-seat house that would fill a niche in a city that lacks theaters of that size. But now that plan is no longer definite because the board must determine whether it can afford to fit an auditorium that large on a site with limited square footage. “There will be a whole new redesign because we really changed the building,” Ms. Boepple said. “One of the things we’re looking at is whether a 1,000-seat theater is possible.”

    Mr. Gehry, in a telephone interview, said he continued to roll with the punches. “The other program was grand and big, and it seemed in scale with the place,” he said. “We’ve got a smaller program now because of finances. I don’t take time to look backwards. We’ll make something out of it that works.”

    The New York City Opera had aspired to be selected for the site — it now performs in various locations — but the center is not going to be an opera house or a symphonic hall, Ms. Boepple said, although performances in each discipline may be presented there.

    The board has been consulting with various arts executives, including Jack O’Brien, the theater director, and Michael M. Kaiser, president of the John F. Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts in Washington.

    With places like the Brooklyn Academy of Music, the Park Avenue Armory and a planned “culture shed” at Hudson Yards, some arts executives question the need for yet another multidisciplinary stage and its prospects for sustainability.

    “I have strong reservations about where the resources are to pay for it,” said Karen Brooks Hopkins, president of the Brooklyn Academy. “All the existing institutions are struggling to meet their goals in a very tough environment.”

    A preliminary board was named in 2011 as a prerequisite for tapping into $100 million that the Lower Manhattan Development Corporation — which oversees ground zero — had set aside for the center. Each of its members has agreed to donate or raise $5 million.

    In addition to Ms. Menin they include the developers Larry Silverstein and John E. Zuccotti; Christy Ferer, the founder and chief executive of the Vidicom video company; and Zenia Mucha, an executive vice president of the Walt Disney Company. Patricia E. Harris, the first deputy mayor, serves as an ex officio member representing Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg.

    The center has been delayed by some forces outside its control: political jockeying and the completion of a PATH station. There was also, at one point, the suggestion of moving the performing arts center off ground zero to the nearby site of the Deutsche Bank building.

    Given that the center is now not expected to open until 2017 or 2018, Ms. Boepple said it is important to create a place that can change with the times. “We have to be somehow able with a crystal ball to design something that will be current when it opens and that means flexible,” she said. “Who knows what’s going to happen to the performing arts in five years?”

    © 2013 The New York Times Company

  9. #189


    Tribeca Trib
    January 7, 2014

    New Team Said to Establish Vision for WTC Performance Center


    The performing arts center would be located 60 feet from 1 World Trade Center and in the approximate location of today's temporary PATH station.

    It will be years before the curtain rises on a performing arts center at the World Trade Center. But the real planning has finally begun.

    Clouded in financial and political uncertainty for nearly a decade, the center now has an “A-team” assembled to make it happen, said its president, Maggie Boepple.

    The performing arts center would be located 60 feet from 1 World Trade Center, in the approximate location of today’s temporary PATH station.

    Speaking to a Community Board 1 com*mittee in early January, Boepple said an artistic director has been hired along with other theater consultants. And “one of the world’s most brilliant artistic directors and filmmakers” is now on its board of directors.

    Boepple declined to identify them.

    In early 2013, following months of uncertainty over the Cuomo administration’s support for the center, the Lower Manhattan Development Corp. released the $1 million Boepple needed to hire consultants to determine the project’s costs and begin a planning process.

    David Langford, former chief financial officer of the Sept. 11 Memorial and Museum, will be the general manager, in charge of the center’s business side.

    Boepple also revealed the proposed name for the institution: The World Center for the Performing Arts.

    She said the center would be technologically “smart” and referred to the possibility of simulcasting performances from its stage.

    “Since it’s going to be a smart theater, that means very connected,” she said.

    “We take the use of the word ‘world’ very seriously.”

    While performances may be seen by audiences far from New York City, the number of seats inside the theater will be more modest than expected.

    “We’ve gotten away from having one big 1,000-seat theater,” Boepple said. “We’re now very convinced that what we’ve come up with will be good for the work that goes on there.”

    While declining to say how many seats are being contemplated for the theater (originally there was to be a smaller venue in addition to the 1,000-seat auditorium), Boepple acknowledged that Frank Gehry’s showy design concept for the center was introduced prematurely.

    “The more I thought about this, the more I realized we were getting it backwards,” she said. “The architect was in place. Great. We didn’t know what was going to go inside the building. You can’t design a performing arts center without having a real notion of what’s going to happen inside.”

    Boepple spoke of a café that would be a kind of cultural hubas well as other a*t*tractions beyond performances. “There are things going on all day, rehearsals, noontime events the community can come to. So the design is going to reflect that.”

    Over the past few months, Boepple said, people in the performing arts community were “polled” about what should go in the center.

    “We have put together a vision that the board has accepted,” she said, “and it will allow us to work initially with the theater designers to design a space that works for everybody.”

    That vision, Boepple noted, is ex*pected to be revealed in the next three months. She said there is too much work left to be done on the site to predict when it will be completed. The new PATH station must open and the temporary station*—where the performance center will be built—must be demolished.

    Boepple also would not say how much the center is expected to cost, only that it will be less than previous estimates, which ranged from $300 million to $700 million.

    “The numbers you heard before were unmanageable in terms of raising money,” she said, “because we want a lot of the money to go into the program and make this a very exciting place to be.”

    “You can have grand architecture, people will go, ‘Ooh, aah’ and come once,” she added. “You have to have great stuff going on to get them back.”

    —Aline Reynolds contributed reporting to this story.

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    News flash, 1,000 seats is not a large theater. It sounds like they will build a black box type theater.

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    Rather than build a low cost, crappy theatre, they should keep the space as a park.

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    ^ With the thousands of workers and tourist that open space will not go to waste at all, during nicer weather of course.

  13. #193


    I agree. Also, it could serve as casual open space, which this area needs. The memorial is stunning, but the atmosphere is like a funeral parlor.

  14. #194


    Heh, open space. You know that that's too smart of an idea.

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    Sounds like it will be rented and used as a glorified conference room by future tenants in the area having their national or global sales meetings.

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