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    I don't think that'll happen.

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    Arts center design

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    ... Also at Monday night’s C.B. 1 meeting, board members got an update on the long-delayed W.T.C. performing arts center.

    The city, which is now leading the planning effort, has said the PAC could not begin construction until at least 2014 and would not open until at least 2017. On Monday, Andrew Winters, director of the Mayor’s Office of Capital Projects, said even those far-off dates could be too optimistic.

    “There is not a more complicated building type in the world than a performing arts facility,” Winters said. “They’re more expensive than you want them to be, they take a longer time than you want them to and the design goals are very high. When they finally happen, everyone celebrates and no one remembers it was a very long process to get there.”

    Winters also gave new details on the PAC design, which will have a 1,000-seat dance theater; a cafe spilling out onto 1 W.T.C.’s plaza; a secondary theater or banquet hall; and an outdoor amphitheater on the roof overlooking the memorial. Preliminary designs by architect Frank Gehry include trees planted on surfaces all the way up the building, continuing the visual theme of the memorial.

    While the city is focusing on building the PAC at Greenwich and Vesey Sts., the Lower Manhattan Development Corp., which committed $60 million to the project, is studying moving the PAC farther south to the 130 Liberty site, where its construction could begin earlier. Sayar Lonial, director of planning for the L.M.D.C., said he would have an answer on whether such a move is feasible by the C.B. 1 committee’s next meeting Dec. 14.

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    So much for our great idea ...

    Port Authority Rejects 130 Liberty Street as Site for WTC Arts Center

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    BY MATT DUNNING
    January 2010

    Putting an end to months of speculation over the final location for a performing arts center at the new World Trade Center, Port Authority officials said this week that the 1,000-seat theater and rehearsal facility will be built in the space originally intended for it rather than on land now occupied by the former Deutsche Bank tower at 130 Liberty Street.

    The Authority, along with the Lower Manhattan Development Corporation, had been mulling the idea of putting the arts center at 130 Liberty Street, on the south side of the 16-acre site. There was hope that the move could have delivered the arts center years ahead of its projected opening—in 2017—were it to be built in its originally planned location.

    The site of the theater is next to the 1,776 foot high One World Trade Center (formerly the Freedom Tower) at the corner of Greenwich and Vesey Streets.

    “The ultimate determination was that the north side would be the most appropriate location for a performing arts complex,” Port Authority spokesman Glen Guzi told a Community Board 1 committee on Jan. 11.

    The Authority’s construction of the subterranean support structure that will hold up the 9/11 Memorial Park, transportation hub and a host of pedestrian and vehicular tunnels is progressing steadily through the western half of the 16-acre World Trade Center site. Guzi said. The upcoming phases of that work, scheduled to begin in the next few weeks, include a series of steel columns and sheer walls meant to support a performing arts center.

    “The good news is that we are moving in a direction that will create the below-grade structure that will house the performing arts center,” Guzi said.

    While the Port Authority is undertaking the support structure for the center—to be designed by architect Frank Gehry—construction of the actual building will be the city’s responsibility. With the issue of the center’s location finally resolved, the center now needs a final design, a governance board and, perhaps most importantly, funding for its construction. The LMDC has pledged $50 for design and construction, but the center will need much more than that if it is ever to become a reality.

    “The Performing Arts Center will help strengthen Lower Manhattan’s cultural community, and enhance the experience of the WTC site for residents and visitors alike,” said city Cultural Affairs Commissioner Kate D. Levin. “It is essential that we continue to move forward to ensure that the site originally designated in the master plan remains viable.”

    Even with the underground supports in place, the city will have to wait at least five years to start construction on the actual building. The temporary PATH station, which is on part of arts center’s site, can’t be removed until the new Santiago Calatrava-designed transportation hub is finished in 2014.

    If and when it is ever built, the arts center would house a 1,000-seat theater, a smaller auditorium or recital hall, and extensive rehearsal and set storage space and offices, Levin said. It is also planned to be the new home for the Joyce Theater Company.

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    If they can call the original Marriott Hotel 3WTC, then I think i'll call this building 6WTC to complete the complex again.

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    The Port Authority is the enemy of this rebuilding process, first they let tower 2 an tower 3 sites languish indefinately, then they refuse to allow something to fill the spot of the Bankers Trust Building. They probably want it to stay empty so they can make it a surface parking lot or put trailers their. Their a bunch of gangsters who go against the wishes of the public.

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    Um....they're replacing the Deutsche Bank Building with Tower 5 of the WTC. Chase has that locked down as their new headquarters.

    Either that or the LMDC would have made it into a park.

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    Chase at WTC5?

    Old dead news. not gonna happen.

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    It'll be an empty plot for at least a decade with the way things look now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lofter1 View Post
    Chase at WTC5?

    Old dead news. not gonna happen.
    Maybe, maybe not.

    Chase still has the rights to the lot, and can presently veto any plans.

    Both the City and Port Authority have talked about a mixed use hotel-condo tower on this site, and that is what I think will eventually be built.

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    At this point that ^ would be the best idea for the site.

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    Or how about a beer garden for the hood??

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    Ground Zero Arts Center gets go ahead

    City says WTC site a go; project's long term viability doubted

    By Miriam Kreinin Souccar

    After endless debate over the final location for a performing arts center to be built at Ground Zero, city officials told Crain's last week that the Frank Gehry-designed theater will be constructed on the originally planned site, and that below-ground construction work on the foundation will start next quarter.

    The 1,000-seat theater and rehearsal facility, to be run by the Joyce Theater, a dance presenter, was originally scheduled to open this fall. But disagreements between city and state officials, and the complexity of building at Ground Zero, have kept the project on the back burner.

    Now, after much wrangling, the Lower Manhattan Development Corp. has released the $50 million needed to construct the subterranean support structure for the center, which will be built in the area bounded by Fulton, Greenwich, Vesey and Washington streets near the 1,776-foot-high 1 World Trade Center.

    “We are more optimistic about the performing arts center now than ever,” says Linda Shelton, executive director of the Joyce, the only group left of the four cultural organizations originally chosen by the city to inhabit the Ground Zero site.

    But even if the foundation work moves ahead as planned, the project faces numerous challenges, leaving skeptics questioning whether it will ever be built.

    For starters, once the underground work is finished, the city will have to wait at least four years to begin construction on the actual building, because the temporary PATH station that is on the site can't be removed until the permanent transportation hub is finished. Estimates call for the Santiago Calatrava-designed station to be finished in 2014, but as is often the case with construction, there could be delays.

    By then, building costs will likely be higher, and it is difficult to gauge what the fundraising environment will be like.

    A tough nut to crack

    Ms. Shelton says that final estimates for the cost of the project are still being worked out, though sources close to the Port Authority say they expect that the “arts community” will need to raise around $500 million for the center.

    “The city is not giving up, and the Joyce is not giving up, but the delays have now put us in an economic climate that will have a long-term systemic impact on funding,” says Norma Munn, chairperson of the New York City Arts Coalition. “There's a general, overriding sense that the project seems to be increasingly unlikely.”

    Recognizing those challenges, some officials at the LMDC are fighting a rearguard action to shift the center to the Deutsche Bank site at 130 Liberty St. Work there could begin at the end of the year—far sooner than at Ground Zero. And the estimated cost of around $300 million would be much lower, say advocates of the Deutsche Bank site.

    Not giving up the fight

    In fact, the LMDC is still conducting a study of the two areas. Advocates of the Deutsche Bank site, such as LMDC board member John Zuccotti, don't seem to believe the site decision is final, or will be even after the underground work is completed.

    “I am hopeful and optimistic that after a timely and responsible evaluation of the possible sites, the remaining issues will be resolved quickly and the center developed expeditiously,” says Mr. Zuccotti, who is also U.S. Chairman of Brookfield Properties, which owns the World Financial Center.

    Nevertheless, city officials continue to assert that the location is a done deal and that the performing arts center will serve as an anchor to the entire Trade Center complex.

    “Our goal is to realize the original master plan, which locates the cultural center at the heart of the site,” says Kate Levin, the city's cultural affairs commissioner. “The performing arts center is key to the area's revitalization.”

    And city officials seem undaunted by the project's challenges.

    “It's not a big secret that the World Trade Center site is one of the most complex real estate development projects under way anywhere, with more than its fair share of starts and stops,” a spokesman for the mayor's office says. “But the performing arts center is an important component of the plan, we're committed to making it happen, and we wouldn't be starting construction on its foundation in the coming months if the project was in doubt.”

    http://www.crainsnewyork.com/article...FREE/302149974

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    Comedy, Tragedy & Gehry to Live on at World Trade Center

    June 22, 2010, by Joey


    [Model photo via Gehry Partners.]

    The Port Authority was supposed to decide on a developer to buy a stake in the 1 World Trade Center tower today, but while that decision has been put off until July, the PA's board will still handle some serious ground zero redevelopment business at its meeting.

    We're talking about the fate of the WTC's performing arts center, an overlooked and nearly forgotten component of the original master plan for the site. Now intended to house the Joyce Theater company, the performing arts center is on its ninth life because rapidly progressing WTC infrastructure work threatens to blanket the arts center site before a foundation and other underground elements can be built. But fear not, Frank Gehry fans, the show will go on!

    Though the Port Authority and other officials won't comment, both the Times and Journal report a deal has been reached for the city to reimburse the Port Authority for the costs of building the performing arts center's central foundation while there's still time. The tab will run just over $44 million, and the money will come from a $50 million fund controlled by the Lower Manhattan Development Corporation.

    The LMDC was actually campaigning to move the arts center to the site of the Deutsche Bank Building at 130 Liberty Street, where it would be cheaper and easier to build. However, this deal, expected to be approved by the PA's board today, indicates the original plan—with the center occupying space on the north end of the WTC site next to 1 World Trade Center—is moving forward, complete with Frank Gehry's still-not-quite-revealed design. Those building blocks should get some trademark Franktastic curves soon enough.

    Ground Zero Art Vote Set [WSJ]
    At Ground Zero, a Step Forward on Performing Arts Center [Arts Beat]
    Performing Arts Center coverage [Curbed]

    http://ny.curbed.com/archives/2010/0...enter.php#more

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    I love this model as is. The blocks create a mountain of art...and the trees.... oh I love!

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    The trees are nice, but it looks like they're sprouting on a decomposing pile of trash. I really hate this design. If they do choose Frank Gehry, he better come up with something like Beekman.

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