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Thread: Proposed: 59 story tower - 250 East 57th St @ 2nd Ave - by Skidmore, Owings & Merrill

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    Quote Originally Posted by Czervik.Construction View Post
    Sorry for asking a dumb question, but this is a newly constructed building? Yikes.
    Nippon Telephone & Telegraph wants their switching and relay facility back...

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    I thought that Whole foods was cramped and may eventually expand to the yet to be constructed retail portion on 2nd Ave. But when I tried to hit the website 250e it seemed to have disappeared. I immediately suspected that it was removed because of a design change in the tower. I hope I am wrong.

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    Building permits for this were filed on the 16th. Looks like it will probably be the same design. Application says 715 feet and 57 stories, as the height has always been since announced.

    Quote Originally Posted by Derek2k3 View Post
    I hope this design doesn't get watered down. It's exceptional.

    The base isn't that great. It reminds me of Macklowe's Three-Ten 53rd.

    I wish it didn't have a flat roof.
    The design of the school was sure cheapened. Most likely due to the SCA.

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    Though Midtown West has been getting most of the skyscraper attention in the past decade, Midtown East has a decent amount of stuff going on. Albeit elegant designs for the most part, it's unfortunate some designs are so restrained.

    New York City skyline and Queensboro Bridge viewed from Gantry Plaza State Park in Queens, Long Island

    610 Lexington
    Foster & Partners

    425 Park Avenue
    Foster & Partners

    50 United Nations Plaza
    Foster & Partners

    250 East 57th Street

    432 Park Avenue
    Rafael Vinoly Architects

    Turtle Bay South
    SOM/ Richard Meier & Partners
    462' - 595'

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    I really hope that this stunning design remains.

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    Quote Originally Posted by londonlawyer View Post
    That's good news that the school closes in June. Where did you learn this news?

    By the way, Extell apparently owns a parcel on West 58th which sits behind the Hard Rock Hotel site. There's a high school directly behind it. Do you know if that will close too?
    That was a prescient inquiry re: the Extell site!

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    The rendering of the building in the top pic on this page looks somewhat reniniscent of the former Foster design proposal for the World Trade Center.

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    Curvaceous huh...

    Maybe like the old Beekman Tower design.
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    With Another Luxury Tower, 57th Street Becoming Manhattan’s New Gold Coast

    By Matt Chaban

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    Back in September, The Observer wondered just how many luxury towers could possibly pop up on 57th Street, following the announcement of 107 West 57th Street. This was in addition to Gary Barnett’s One57, CIM and Harry Macklowe’s 432 Park and Mr. Barnett’s 225 West 57th Street, which is poised to become the city’s tallest tower at 1,550 feet. And all the way down at the Hudson, there is of course Bjarke Ingels and Durst Fetner’s pyramid apartments.

    Now, the shiny strip has a new eastern redoubt. The Observer has learned that a long-planned 57-story tower at 250 East 57th Street, on the corner of Second Avenue, is set to rise this year. Demolition already began on the old high school on the 63,000-square-foot lot in November, the same month World Wide Group, the project’s developer, filed new construction documents for the contorted tower designed by Roger Duffy, the art-loving visionary at SOM who designed the equally daring Toren condo tower in Downtown Brooklyn.

    First announced in late 2006, the project was an innovative partnership with the city’s Department of Education. World Wide would demolish a low-rise section of the High School of Art and Design just off Second Avenue, between 56th and 57th streets, and build three schools on the site (two new ones plus room for the old high school). During construction, the seven-story section of the school on the corner of Second Avenue would remain operation.

    In addition to the new classroom, there was also 170,000-square feet of retail in the base of the new school, now home to a Whole Foods. Beyond building the new schools, World Wide would pay $325 million to the Department of Education during a 75-year lease on the site. Once it built the new schools, the main high school building would be torn down, paving way for the tower.
    Construction on the new schools was set to start by 2008 and be completed the following year, but the project had yet to get off the ground by then as the economy faltered, and construction on the school did not kick off until 2010. The schools opened in September, in time for this academic year, while the Whole Foods was finished a month earlier.

    Meanwhile, the second phase of the project was put on hold indefinitely, like so many other developments back in 2009. When The Observer first reported the tower was being delayed, we wrote that “both the scraper’s height and its composition are now up in the air.” But now it is clear the tower will go forward as originally advertized, reaching a height of 57 stories and 715 feet. There are 270 units in the building, down from an earlier reported number of 320—not a surprising trend, given the evolution toward bigger, more luxurious apartments in the city over the past decade. Bigger layouts mean bigger price tags.

    Not short on luxuries, building permits list a rooftop terrace on the seventh floor, an exercise room one floor down, a swimming pool in the basement, and, up on the 25th floor, no doubt with commanding views of the East River nearby, “accessory library lounge, dining, music, screening and wine testing rooms.” There will also be retail on the first two floors of the building, according to permits, some 27,000-square-feet.

    What was not immediately clear was whether or not the project would be condo or rental or if it would still use the city’s inclusionary housing program, whereby 20 percent of units are set aside as affordable in exchange for a tax abatement from the city. In an email in late December, John Marino, a spokesman for World-Wide, said “there is really nothing new to report… they are coming out of the ground next year.” He did confirm that SOM was still the architect, but also noted that new designs are in the works. A source who had seen the newer designs said the building is more curvaceous than the angular renderings that had been previously shown off. “It undulates,” this person said.

    So, forget Fifth Avenue, forget Central Park West, forget Bond Street. Now, improbably, 57th Street has become the city’s new gold coast, with all its glistening new castles in the sky. And 250 East 57th Street fits right in. “This building will play a crucial role in solidifying the eastern end of this new hub,” Mr. Marino said.

    SOM’s Roger Duffy Adds Another Skyscraper to Manhattan’s 57th Street

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    Here on the southwest corner of Second Avenue and East Fifty-seventh Street, one can see that the old high school is almost gone.

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    I hope that the new design, like the old one, is interesting.

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    Wall Street Journal

    Condos and Classrooms


    A planned 715-foot Manhattan skyscraper sidelined by the real-estate bust is poised for a resurrection.

    A group led by New York-based World-Wide Group is in advanced talks with a group of investors and lenders to finance construction of a glassy condo and rental-apartment tower that would be one of the tallest buildings on Manhattan's East Side, according to multiple real-estate executives involved with discussions.

    Adrian Fussell for The Wall Street Journal

    Under the deal being discussed, Starwood Property Trust Inc. STWD +2.66% would provide a roughly $450 million loan. There also would be an equity investment from the asset management arm of J.P. Morgan Chase & Co. and Rose Associates Inc., a firm controlled by members of New York's Rose family, those people said. The total cost of the tower couldn't be determined.

    Should the deal for the tower at southwest corner of 57th Street and Second Avenue be completed, it would be the latest example of a project that's been able to emerge from hibernation thanks to New York's rebounding residential market.

    In TriBeCa, an 830-foot condo tower announced in 2007 recently began rising, with asking prices for units in the building run as high as $32 million. And in the West Village, developer Steven Witkoff and his partners are moving ahead on 150 Charles St., a pricey 91-unit condo development site that they bought in 2004.

    The World-Wide project came a result of a complex public-private partnership. The site actually is owned by the city's Department of Education, which in 2006 agreed to lease it to World-Wide for 75 years. As part of the deal, World-Wide agreed to rebuild two aging schools now on the site: an elementary school and a 1,400-student high school.

    The agreement was billed by the city as an innovative way to pay for new schools, given that the proceeds from the lease—which the city in 2006 said would be worth $325 million—would more than cover the price tag for the school construction.

    After the downturn hit, the tower plans were put on ice. But World-Wide went ahead with construction of the schools, which were built on the same property in a way that also left space to build the tower. The schools, which were paid for by the city, opened in the fall, and the developer also built adjacent retail space that now holds a Whole Foods.

    Details on the tower have yet to be announced, although the developers have said they plan to start construction later this year. A building permit application filed in November calls for 270 units, and people involved in the deal said the apartments would be a mix of rental and condominium units, which would be located at the top.

    Such deals have historically been uncommon for the Department of Education, although more are brewing.

    The city's Educational Construction Fund last year began looking for developers interested in doing similar projects for three Manhattan sites—two on the Upper West Side and one on East 96th Street. In total, developers could build more than 1.5 million square feet between the three sites, according to materials sent to developers by the city's advisor, CBRE Group Inc.

    The potential for more construction comes as the apartment market has rebounded strongly since the downturn, particularly for high-end condos. Rents are nearly at all-time peak levels, and the average sales price for Manhattan condos was $1,280 per square foot in the first quarter of 2013, up from $1,154 in 2010, according to Miller Samuel Inc.

    A version of this article appeared April 8, 2013, on page A24 in the U.S. edition of The Wall Street Journal, with the headline: Condos and Classrooms.

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    I really hope they retain this design:

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