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    Hello to everybody...

    I am a Syrian living in Syria ... I saw that you were discussing Iraq, and I thought that I would give my opinion on that...

    Going into Iraq was a great idea that was poorly executed...

    The Bush administration is one of the most courageous administrations that have ever been ... and history will show that, I have no doubt about it...

    The Middle East region has always been a problem for the world. But all the western governments have always feared to interfere seriously in this swamp... they feared Islamic fundamentalism. So they chose to accept the presence of non-Islamic corrupt authoritarian regimes instead...

    After 9/11 it appeared clearly that this problem can get deadly, and even with the horrible size of the tragedy, it could have been much worse, if the terrorists used WMD for example...

    The problem wasn't at all just Afghanistan or usama benladin, this was the claim of the corrupt Arab regimes, or the authoritarian regimes shielding them like Russia and China...

    Those terrorists weren't only Afghans. They were Muslims from all over the Islamic world. They didn't turn into terrorists in Afghanistan; they went there because they already had their terrorist ideology and wanted to turn it into something real...

    This ideology was created in countries like Iraq, Syria, Iran and Saudi Arabia...

    It would have been a total nonsense to go after the terrorists who escaped from the factory and not to take a serious action against the factory that produced them itself...

    Most of the current regimes of Islamic countries, notably those of Syria, Iran, and the one that was in Iraq are the true terror producers, and the real enemy to the entire civilized world...

    The ideology of terror is not a fruit of Islamic belief. Violence in Islam is not any more than it is in many other religions .in fact; Islamic violent verses are obscure and debatable...

    Terrorism is not a fruit of poverty or hard life conditions. Arab peoples aren't as poor as many other peoples like Indians or Africans. Saudi Arabia is of the richest countries in the world, and it is where most of the terrorists came from. The terrorists weren't of humble background.

    The ideology of terrorism is an ideology that has been actively and consciously sponsored by the corrupt Arab regimes for decades.

    Millions of people have been educated in both Iraq and Syria to hate the US as it is the source of all evils. Those corrupt regimes use the ideas of "imperialist conspiracies" and "the holy war against Israel and America" as excuses for there constant failure and corruption. And since the Muslim population is mainly ignorant and doesn't have access to free media, they fall for this anti-west propaganda. They really believe that all their problems are because of the US. And that is what makes most Syrians for example anti- America.

    In Syria nearly 95% of the people believe that America is an evil regime that is trying to destroy the Arab nation and replace Arabs with Israelis in their land!

    These ideas are being taught to students every year in a curriculum called:"National Socialist Education".

    So what the Bush administration tried to do in Iraq was totally right and at the heart of the problem of terrorism.

    I wouldn't waste much time questioning the way he achieved the liberation of Iraq... because there were many UN resolutions that the Iraqi regime had breached for years. And the opposition in the Security Council by Russia and France wasn't really an innocent care for international law; those countries were allies of Saddam against his own people's interests.

    What went wrong in Iraq was poor planning. The planners for this campaign didn't take into account that they aren't facing Saddam alone; there are other tyrants like him in the neighborhood who won't be sitting and waiting their turn to be overthrown.

    Syria and Iran, those two countries are fighting the US now in Iraq via indirect ways. The Sader militias in Iraq are sponsored by the Iranian regime, and the Sunni terrorist rebels are supported by the Syrian regime.

    The Syrian strategy in the region is: total chaos. They are trying to bring about a civil war in Iraq and another one in Lebanon, and in the Palestinian territories too; so they would put the whole region on total chaos in order to undermine the US strategy. This regime has done that before in Lebanon in order to occupy that country under the claim of reunifying it.

    The US had to do a substantial change in this region to stop the production of terrorists, and going into Iraq was a great and daring endeavor. Failure now means that those terrorists in Iraq would rule the whole Middle East. And America would have then to face them on its own land.


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    Rule #1 of War: If you don't have a plan, don't start the war.

    Despite all you say Bush failed at step #1 in Iraq.

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    The one thing that could be said about Saddams despotic regime is that he did not have trouble with all this infighting.

    Bush did not see his country for what it was, one that was only kept in control by the fear of a domanating leader. He thought it was already broken and that we could walk in there, get rid of Saddam, and walk out again.

    He did not see Saddam taking out all of the civil social infrastructure (police etc) with him.

    SO now we are stuck with this whole big mess and the addition of a big target pointed at us from all the countries that do not need to spend a lot of money on plane ickets to shoot at us or blow us up.


    A dead american to them is the same whether they are in uniform or on the streets of NYC. It really doe snot matter who we are. We are the "universal evil" that leaders over there use as a threat to get people who would normally not agree with each other to band together under small-time leaders that want more power.

    Our leaders used fear and lies to get us to commit to a military venture, and so do theirs.

    The only real difference is scale and intended outcome, but the outcome was not that different when you look at it more closely....

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    Aside from differing with you, Hani, about the virtues of Bush, much of what you say rings true. Are there many in Syria who think as you do? How did you escape the prevailing ignorance and propaganda? Did you go to school in the West?

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    If saudi is one of the richest in the world, why is it so crap?
    It's just depressing that all that wealth goes to waste. A muslim country? Yeah right!

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    thank you ablarc ...

    I didn't go to any western school, but you know that there isn't anything 100% in life ...

    there may be 99,9% ... and that answers your question ...

    the western media can help very much those who wanna be helped ...

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    Hani, I find it puzzling that your writing style is American (U.S.) rather than British. Almost every person from the Middle East I have ever come across was schooled in British English.

    I also wonder how you picked up the U.S. "wanna" for "want to."


    Here are some possibilities I have come up with:

    - You are the exception: somehow, you were schooled in U.S. English in Syria. (Maybe an American living in Syria taught you.)

    - You wrote your post in your native language and used a computer translator. Many of them use U.S. English. Still, this wouldn't explain the "wanna".

    - You learned English from computer correspondence courses that happened to teach U.S. English.

    - You spent a period of time outside Syria, perhaps in the U.S.

    *Takes a deep breath for this next one*

    - You are not a Syrian living in Syria.

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    Default Oh ... I'm busted!!

    You got me rapunzel! ... I am an undercover republican trying to fool less smart citizens than you are!

    I don't think it's hard to find out where I really am I am still in Syria, so you could get the moderator to check me out if you want

    I don't think you are a native English-speaker otherwise you would have noticed that there are many mistakes in my writing


    You are the exception: somehow, you were schooled in U.S. English in Syria.


    Wrong

    You wrote your post in your native language and used a computer translator. Many of them use U.S. English. Still, this wouldn't explain the "wanna".


    Wrong

    You learned English from computer correspondence courses that happened to teach U.S. English.

    Wrong

    You spent a period of time outside Syria, perhaps in the U.S.


    Wrong

    Actually it's very simple; I used to watch a lot of Hollywood movies and shows on TV how come you didn't think of that?!

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    I seek a Syrian perspective:

    What message does Syria get when our U.S. senators -- including those belonging to the Republican party -- visit Syria against our president's wishes?

    Do you think that this message contributing towards the formulation of Syria's foreign policy?

    Do you think that this message is contributing towards the strategies of terrorists that are currently in Syria?

    Republican Sen. Specter plans Syria trip

    BY ANNE PLUMMER FLAHERTY, Associated Press Writer
    12/15/06

    WASHINGTON - Sen. Arlen Specter (news, bio, voting record), a 26-year Senate Republican, said he will visit Syria despite loud objections by the Bush administration, contending the situation in Iraq is so dire that it is time Congress step up to the plate and see what it can do.

    Specter, R-Pa., said in an interview late Friday that he is planning a trip to the Middle East that will include Israel and Syria. The senator said he and other Republicans are concerned that the administration's policies in the Middle East are not working and that other GOP members may follow in his footsteps.

    "I've talked to my Republican colleagues, and there is a disquiet here," Specter said.

    The visit, coming on the heels of a trip by Florida Sen. Bill Nelson (news, bio, voting record), would be a direct affront to the White House. The United States has limited diplomatic ties with Syria because of its support for Hezbollah and Hamas, which the U.S. deems terrorist organizations. President Bush has expressed reluctance to seek help from Damascus on Iraq until the Syrians curb that support and reduce their influence in Lebanon.

    The White House sharply criticized Nelson, a Democrat, for visiting Syria despite Nelson's assertion that the meeting was helpful. Nelson said Syrian President Bashar Assad said he was willing to help control the Iraq-Syrian border, where foreign fighters cross into Iraq.

    "We think it's inappropriate," White House spokesman Tony Snow said Thursday of the planned congressional trips to the region. In addition to Nelson and Specter, Sens. John Kerry, D-Mass., and Christopher Dodd, D-Conn., were expected to visit Syria.

    "The concern here, among other things, is that this does not strengthen the hand of democracy in the region ... but instead allows the Syrians to dodge the real responsibilities they have," Snow said.

    White House spokesman Alex Conant said late Friday that Snow's comments hold true for Specter as well.

    The diplomatic push from Congress found revived inspiration from a bipartisan panel that recently recommended the U.S. engage Iran and Syria on the war in Iraq. Bush has remained cool to the proposal by the Iraq Study Group, which was led by former GOP Secretary of State James A. Baker III and former Rep. Lee Hamilton, D-Ind.

    In recent days, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice asked Specter in a telephone call not to go to Syria, the senator said. But Specter, who had acquiesced previously to similar requests, said time was up.

    "I deferred to them a year ago, and I deferred to them last August," Specter said. "And if there were any signs the administrative policy (in the Middle East) was working, I'd defer to them again."

    Specter said he wasn't under the impression he would walk away with a diplomatic deal or believed he was stepping on anyone's toes. But, he added, lawmakers could conduct fact-finding trips that could help inform discussions and still leave foreign policy negotiations up to the White House.

    "I now believe that with the report of the independent study group and the administration policy, which is not working, there should be a fresh look at it by Congress," said Specter, who chairs the Judiciary Committee and is a senior member of the Appropriations panel.

    Specter's interest in Syria — and willingness to buck White House party line — is nothing new. The Republican has visited Syria 15 times since 1984 and even attended the funeral of Assad's father. The senator visited with then-Iraqi President Saddam Hussein in 1990 and has tried repeatedly to engage officials in Iran, although to no avail.

    Specter has challenged the Bush administration's position on other matters as well, including the White House policy toward terrorism suspects.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061216/...specter_iraq_2

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    what i think that in light of the baker-hamilton report and tony blair's expected approach towards syria and the growing tendency in the west to talk with both syria and iran, i think that the visit of that republican senator is of minor importance here...

    and i'm sorry to tell you that he's not the first one to visit syria and i think there were others before him and they were democrates ...

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