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    I have a 24"x13" 19th Century map of Manhattan, something I acquired, mounted and framed myself back when I was in college as part of an art project. I don't remember how it came into my possesion.
    It is VERY detailed, a lovely antique and still in quite good condition despite having faded into dull yellow sepia tones. While there is no identifiable date on the map, it shows the Brooklyn Bridge as the only East River crossing, and it is labelled "Suspension Bridge" rather than "Brooklyn Bridge", which seems to indicate that the bridge was proposed or maybe under construction.
    It also shows numerous ferry crossings and seems to put emphasis on the "Glen Island Pier" docks, which were located at waterside 32nd St Manhattan and 2nd St Brooklyn. There is another Glen Island Pier (Pier 18) on the Hudson at Cortland St, and the Castle Garden at The Battery is shown to be directly on the water. According to the AIA Guide, the Castle Garden (originally Castle Clinton) had that name up until 1855, when it was changed to the Emigrant Landing Depot. It was later the NY Aquarium...

    The map was most likely a commercial publication, since it pinpoints in red several hotels, most notably the Plaza, Oriental and Murray Hill hotels, among other references.
    It also points out the John Wannamaker building and something named "Acker, Merrill and Condit", at Broadway and, I think, Park Place, just to the west of the Courthouse/City Hall.
    I have had it hanging on my various walls ever since I can remember but have never had a clue about just how old it actually is. I'm sure it must be post-Civil War, but I don't know for certain.
    Anyone have any idea how old the map might be???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hof View Post

    ... It also points out the John Wannamaker building and something named "Acker, Merrill and Condit", at Broadway and, I think, Park Place, just to the west of the Courthouse/City Hall.
    Seems the proper spelling for that firm is "Merrall" ...


    Founded in 1820, Acker Merrall & Condit is America's Oldest and Finest Wine Shop.
    They started as grocers of a sort, later offering "the most varied and choicest stock of Groceries, Liquors, Cigars and Perfumery in the World; everything you require in food products."

    By 1906 A M & C had operations all over NYC -- including a store at 130-132 Chambers Street on the SE corner of Chambers / West Broadway, now the site of the new Smyth Hotel and opposite the old and trusted Cosmopolitan Hotel.

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    Hof, would you be able to post a picture of the map?

    David Rumsey has a great collection of historic NYC maps online, available for viewing and download as MrSID files (which you can convert to other image formats if you have Windows.. if not, you can only view them).

    http://www.davidrumsey.com/NYC.htm

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    Additional map resources:

    Library of Congress has hundreds of historic maps of the area.

    Start here: http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/gmdhtml/gmdPlaces21.html
    and scroll through the next two pages for all New York State/City locations.

    University of Texas has a lot of maps here: http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/histo..._cities.html#N (scroll down to New York).

    USGS historic maps, Brooklyn and Richmond
    http://docs.unh.edu/nhtopos/Brooklyn.htm
    http://docs.unh.edu/nhtopos/StatenIsland.htm

    Stonybrook's collection
    http://www.stonybrook.edu/libmap/nypath1.htm

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    devb--

    Unfortunately, I can't post the map. It is framed, behind glass and sealed at the rear. Even if I take the map from the frame, it's way too large to scan.

    Good work on the AM&C info, Lofter. I was unable to find any references to it, even in the comprehensive "Encyclopedia of NYC".

    Any idea what the Glen Island items are??
    I seem to remember something called the Glen Island Casino, but I can't put it into context.

    Do you have any idea yet about the age of my map??

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    Oh, I wasn't asking for a hi-res scan. Just a photo, maybe.

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    According to Wikipedia what we call the Brooklyn Bridge wasn't officially named that until 1915. Construction on what was originally called the New York and Brooklyn Bridge began in 1870 and it opened in 1883.

    This NY TImes article [pdf] from July 5, 1910 makes note of the many people who took excursions on the 4th of July that year, and a great number later that day waited for boats to return to the City and gathered "at the Glen Island Pier, opposite New Rochelle."

    There is now a 105 acre Glen Island Park in Long Island Sound operated by Westchester County. The original resort / park on that site was a private enterprise and opened in 1881:

    In 1879 former U.S. Congressman John H. Starin bought Glen Island and four nearby islands. He gave Glen Island its name and converted the islands into a summer resort for city dwellers that has been called "the first theme park." The islands were connected by causeways and piers and each island featured a different international theme. Steamships transported visitors from New York City to the park. The park, which opened in 1881, attracted thousands of people daily ...


    A map of "Starin's Glen Island" park back in the day:



    The Glen Island resort lasted just a little over 20 years, and remembrance of it has been overshadowed by the tragedy that sealed its fate:

    The end of the island's heyday came in 1904 when the Starin steamship, General Slocum, burned in 'Hellgate' with a loss of 1,030 lives. Afterwards the management passed into other hands and, becoming unprofitable, the resort was finally closed. The extensive bathing houses were burned and later the mansion house of Lewis A. DePau, which had been Starin's summer home, met the same fate. The park remained virtually untouched or visited for the next twenty years until 1924 when the Westchester County Park Commission purchased it to add to its County Park System.
    The SS General Slocum at dock (very possibly at Glen Island):



    The demise of the General Slocum (1904):



    In very tiny writing at the bottom of this image is written:

    Boats start from Starin Pier, New No. 13, North River



    In 1936 Berenice Abbott took a fantastic photo of the Starin Pier 13 at the foot of Cortland Street:



    More photos of Pier 13 from the 1930s HERE:





    And, since I've already gotten carried away, there's this bit of Americana ...

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    What about other landmarks - is the City Hall Post Office there? (1878)

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    Given the info above I'd say the map in question is circa 1885.

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    Is the Statue of Liberty on the map?

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    Yes, the City Hall is there ( also the Courthouse...the Tweed Courthouse???) and the PO is also shown...The map doesn't show much of the Harbor south of Ellis Island and there is no mention of the Statue of Liberty...

    I'm also thinking it dates from the late 1880s. I have been going over it with a magnifying glass to try and find some info on its publication with no success.

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    What bridges are over the Harlem River on it? Washington was finished in 1888, Cole's was replaced with the first Third Ave in 1868, the second in 1898. Macomb's Dam was finished in 1895. The first Madison Ave bridge was built in 1884.

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    The map is cut off at 94th St, right at the north end of the Croton Reservoir so I can't tell if the Harlem River Bridge--or any others--are in existence yet. ( also, as I said, the Brooklyn is the only bridge shown connecting Manhattan to the world.).
    There are no bridges to "Blackwell's Island", later Welfare Island, now Roosevelt Island.
    There is no Bryant Park/ NY Public Library at 5th and 42nd--the old City Reservoir is shown on the map. It was drained in 1899 to make land for the Library, built in 1911. In 1884, according to the "Encyclopedia of NYC", it was named for William Cullen Bryant, and that name does NOT appear on the map. It is shown only as " Reservoir Park".

    I think we are getting closer to pinpointing a date.

    I'm going to try and photograph and post the map--if I can get a photo where the flash doesn't reflect off the glass...

    While I'm at it, a friend gave me a 32" x13" architect's drawing of the Brooklyn Bridge for Christmas last year. It is very finely detailed, showing elevations of the piers from their cofferdam bases, numerous elevations from low/ high tide to the roadbed, NY and Brooklyn approaches, detailed drawings of the piers, etc, and dozens more measurements of the bridge. It's matted in a genuine, beat-up 41" x 18" antique frame with ancient, bubbly glass and is printed on very heavy rough-edged rag or vellum stock. It too is not dated, and says only "The Brooklyn Bridge Opened May 24th 1883, Designed by John Roebling Civil Engineer" at the bottom. He found it at an estate sale in Florida, and knowing that I'm a fan of all things New York, bought it as a gift for me for $20.00.
    Last edited by Hof; March 5th, 2010 at 02:21 PM.

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    I wish I had seen this thread before I had a homework from my Art History class. The professor asked us to draw detailed map of NYC. How sad is that

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    Dates on Maps

    By CHRISTOPHER GRAY

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/03/re...gewanted=print
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