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    Do a quarter of a million people live in 14 km2 in the Bronx amigo? Thats how many live within a 3-4km distance from the Sky Tree. And within a 1 hour fast train trip there are 40 million people. I was just there in June and it's a big city a lot bigger than the Bronx amigo. Oh yes. So why the location? Because when you see the postcards of the city with the Sky Tree all lit up it's gonna look the best amigo, that's why.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stache View Post
    I'm guessing it might have something to do with best broadcast location.
    Probably, and I can imagine that's more important than the view. Or at least more profitable...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr messer View Post
    Do a quarter of a million people live in 14 km2 in the Bronx amigo? Thats how many live within a 3-4km distance from the Sky Tree. And within a 1 hour fast train trip there are 40 million people. I was just there in June and it's a big city a lot bigger than the Bronx amigo. Oh yes. So why the location? Because when you see the postcards of the city with the Sky Tree all lit up it's gonna look the best amigo, that's why.
    I know Tokyo is quite a bit bigger than any other city on our planet, nothing can compare to it in sheer size. But that doesn't change the fact that it's quite a distance away from most tourist areas, and miles away from the areas you see on most postcards. But as stache already mentioned, that's probably of minor concern when building such a tower.

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    No I was just there and its about a 10 minute subway trip from the big business areas in Tokyo and its about a 5 to 10 minute walk from the biggest tourist areas like Sensoji Temple. But if you look at the 58 Tokyo Tower its not exactly anywhere near a tourist area and it's built in a small valley in the city and takes a good 20 minutes or more from Roppongi so Sky Tree is a good location. Besides 40 million PEOPLE LIVE WITHIN AN HOUR BY SUPERFAST TRAIN! So that's close TO NEARLY EVERYONE IN ALL OF JAPAN!

    Oh yes Amigo, that's GOOD LOCATION!

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    Let's put it this way: so far, east of the Sumida river, there was hardly anything interesting for most tourists. Now there is. Tokyo is quite simple: almost anything interesting is within or near the Yamanote railway line. So is the old tower. Senso-ji was one of the few exceptions. Now there's one more. Tokyo is a huge city, and there's no such thing as the single most ideal location. But if I had to name a few, this location would definitely not be on my list.

    With the fabulous public transport system, the tourist probably will find it, that's not the problem. I'm just not sure about what they get to see. As I mentioned before, probably just the Asahi HQ, and maybe the Senso-ji (over a mile away, I can't walk that distance in 5 to 10 minutes...) if it isn't hidden behind highrise. You saw my picture of the old Tokyo Tower as seen from the Mori Tower? That's less than a mile, and that's a huge tower, not a relatively small temple. The only other thing you'll see is an incredible amount of totally nondescript buildings.

    Earlier I made the comparison of building such a tower in the Bronx. Let's say just across the river, near 149th St. station. That's actually closer to Midtown than this tower is to Shinjuku, Shibuya or Minato (Roppongi), both in distance and traveling time. Does that sound like an ideal location for an observation platform?

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    I am pretty sure it is a TV tower over all else. Never the less, it is a new attraction, it doesn't require existing ones to make it work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alonzo-ny View Post
    Never the less, it is a new attraction, it doesn't require existing ones to make it work.
    Well I don't know about you, but the reason I pay an entrance fee to get to an observation platform is to get a nice view, which is all about the surroundings. I'm sure this won't be too bad, especially at night, but there are already at least four or five towers (of which one is actually free to visit) with a much more central location, and as a result a more interesting view. Which one would you spend your money on?

    But I agree, the view probably wasn't the main concern when choosing the location.

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    I really can't say as all circumstances are unique. Being far away has it's benefits. For example in NY, top of the rock is right in the middle of midtown. But I feel it isn't really a great observatory because it is so central that the surroundings look less impressive as you are too close to appreciate them. Plus you are so close many things are blocked out by buildings which are too close to you. For example teh Chrysler building which is blocked out by the Metlife building.. However in the ESB you have a little more distance and everything looks much more impressive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WizardOfOss View Post
    Let's put it this way: so far, east of the Sumida river, there was hardly anything interesting for most tourists. Now there is. Tokyo is quite simple: almost anything interesting is within or near the Yamanote railway line. So is the old tower. Senso-ji was one of the few exceptions. Now there's one more. Tokyo is a huge city, and there's no such thing as the single most ideal location. But if I had to name a few, this location would definitely not be on my list.

    With the fabulous public transport system, the tourist probably will find it, that's not the problem. I'm just not sure about what they get to see. As I mentioned before, probably just the Asahi HQ, and maybe the Senso-ji (over a mile away, I can't walk that distance in 5 to 10 minutes...) if it isn't hidden behind highrise. You saw my picture of the old Tokyo Tower as seen from the Mori Tower? That's less than a mile, and that's a huge tower, not a relatively small temple. The only other thing you'll see is an incredible amount of totally nondescript buildings.

    Earlier I made the comparison of building such a tower in the Bronx. Let's say just across the river, near 149th St. station. That's actually closer to Midtown than this tower is to Shinjuku, Shibuya or Minato (Roppongi), both in distance and traveling time. Does that sound like an ideal location for an observation platform?
    Yes as its an hour away by superfast train from 40 million people in the Tokyo Capitol Region.

    Yes as its a few minutes walk on flat ground from Sensoji possibly the biggest Tokyo attraction other than than Meiji Shrine that isnt a business district.

    Yes as its a few minutes walk on flat ground from Sumida River which hosts the biggest festivals in Japan when the fireworks go off.

    Yes as its going to be seen easily from nearby Ueno (only minutes from Sensoji) when the cherry blossoms bloom.

    Yes because even though we dropped the big bang 65 years ago we don't get to choose the site of their trademark national symbol tower because they do.

    Yes because there are few other buildings to block the view of the Sky Tree as its all on flat ground and with lots of small buildings in the areas surrounding it unlike Tokyo Tower which has big valley.

    Yes because the Sumida right near the Sky Tree has the most number of river cruises (especially for the fireworks).

    Yes because when the big earthquake hits and it falls over its not going to spoil the HQ of Tokyo Government/top 500 corporations which it would if built in those places you mention.

    Yes because check out this awesome video from my friend Takeshi why its going to be the most awesome tower in all of East Asia.

    Yes because its awesome more than Burj Dubai.

    Yes. Because.

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    Thanks for the pics. I have watched this one literally rocket up. Great construction porn.

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    Yes because you can already see it from 50 km away from all directions in and around Tokyo without any buildings blocking the view.

    And that my amigos is very special. Also, for a premier icon of the city, it is probably 1/5th of the cost of say the Shard in London and much taller and more iconic, and will take only 3 years to build. They could build 5 of these for every Shard.

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    Interesting about the cost, didn't know that.

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    Yep, its cheap. I bet those Dubai people are kicking themselves now they built a skyscraper and not a tower.

    Towers have
    No expensive glass cladding
    No fittings
    No floors
    No electricity/plumbing except lifts
    No wear and tear from traffic except decks
    No anything on 180 floors which it would be if an occupied building

    SKY TREE RAWKS AMIGOS and come fireworks festival time where there are 10-15 million people lined up on the river right there near the Sky Tree for the big fireworks festival it's going to look like massive awesome.

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    @Alonzo, I do agree that some distance is better, but there's a difference between building it half a mile away or building it over 4-8 miles away from the major skyscraper districts.

    @Zupermaus, great pictures. Regardless of the location, it is a beautiful tower. I can't remember having seen such latticeworks transform from triangular at the bottom to circular at the top, very original. And I have to admit, on a very clear day like in the first picture, the view will be stunning, you can see all of central Tokyo, and if you're really lucky you might even have a glimpse of Mt. Fuji as a backdrop. But only on a very clear day. On the average day you'll hardly see those Shinjuku skyscrapers.
    Last edited by WizardOfOss; July 26th, 2010 at 02:31 PM.

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