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Thread: 99 Church Street (30 Park Place) - 82 stories, 926 ft - by Robert A.M. Stern

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    That tower is very attractive. I see it borrowed cues from the Chrysler, but what building after 1930 hasn't?

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    The images are labelled original and rev (revised?).

    The revised base and setback ruin the building.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZippyTheChimp View Post
    The images are labelled original and rev (revised?).

    The revised base and setback ruin the building.

    "Ruin" is too strong a word in my opinion. The top 5/6ths is still inspired. It seems hastily done--perhaps there'll be further revisions before construction starts.

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    Default Everyone's getting paranoid,

    especially down near Ground Zero. I think we'll see more fortress-like bases in the future.

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    2nd design's base looks like scaffolding.

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    It ^^^ looks like the box the kit to build the faux-scraper above came in ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by sfenn1117 View Post
    ^That's good to hear. When is demolition going to start....and do you know the height?
    december of this year

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    Quote Originally Posted by kliq6 View Post
    december of this year
    Hi, amigo.

    Is it definitely going to be a Shangri-La?

    I hope that the stone is limestone or granite as opposed to poured concrete.

    Have you seen how crappy 240 PAS turned out? It's hideous.

    This looks really promising.

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    Yes

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    Awesome!

    I love Shangri-La.

    I hope that the Taj hotel group, Jumeriah, and Mandarin expand in NY as well. Jumeriah is building a second hotel/condo in London in the incredible Beetham Tower. Therefore, they could expand beyond their single location at the Essex House; the same holds true for Taj and Mandarin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stache View Post
    especially down near Ground Zero. I think we'll see more fortress-like bases in the future.
    It does look like more architecture-by-NYPD.
    Hope the virus doesn't spread to WTC 2, 3 and 4, and Midtown.

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    It isnt bunkitecture as the ground floor is open with glass. Also its a hotel not a major financial tower so not much need for that kind of security. I think its just a classic costas touch of class.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alonzo-ny View Post
    It isnt bunkitecture as the ground floor is open with glass. Also its a hotel not a major financial tower so not much need for that kind of security. I think its just a classic costas touch of class.
    More like value-engineering. You honestly think that Costas prefers the squared base to his original gently tapering and nicely setback base that nicely completed the base, shaft, and capital of the tower. I have no doubt that the new base was value-engineered, which furthers my point as to why I don’t rip apart Costas, developers hire him because they know they can manipulate and cost cut his designs, for instance Gehry would probably walk away from the project if a similar request was made, that’s why Gehry is only hired for a small handful of projects by a handful of altruistic developers. That said I still love this proposal because the capital and the transition with the shaft are still exquisite, which is much more than you can say about 90% of projects currently proposed in the City.

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    Old + new ...

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    Nice tower. Too bad that I am too much of a cynical pessimistic New Yorker to ever even begin to delude myself to believe that we are actually gonna get something that [apparently] beautiful.

    80 South Street was enough of a disappointment, I know better this time. The drawings are too raw, it looks expensive and too daring. Some thinig New York developers abhor in their projects. I wont believe it until they actually start excavating the site with that rendering displayed on one of the plywood panels that cover the site.

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