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  1. #301

    Default Envisioning Hudson Square Charrette and Exhibition

    "The local vision" Hudson Square architects reveal designs to counter city

    by amy zimmer / metro new york

    OCT 29, 2007

    HUDSON SQUARE. Many residents and business owners of this former industrial pocket of Hudson River real estate nestled amongst the West Village, SoHo and TriBeCa don’t want the city to build a 150-foot-tall Department of Sanitation garage and salt storage facility here.

    Instead, locals want new parks and better connections to the waterfront, which has been cut off by the UPS distribution facility and St. John’s Center superblocks. The Friends of Hudson Square hired five architectural teams in July to come up with plans reflecting community visions, and the results go on display today.

    “Putting a 15-story building for Sanitation is the wrong thing to do. It’s old thinking,” Philip Mouquinho, a restaurant owner, Community Board 2 member and neighborhood native, said at this weekend’s exhibition preview. “Why Spring and West when you have Pier 40 nearby where kids play and new, great architecture like Philip Johnson’s Urban Glass House?”

    Mouquinho was excited by designs from Zarkrewski + Hyde Architects with Starr Whitehouse, which featured a DSNY storage facility submerged beneath layers sloping up for other uses: a new park for ice-skating and other recreation, a cultural center and a mix of residential and commercial space.

    “If you’re going to put the sanitation garage here, at least put a terraced park over it,” said Mouquinho. “We’re not Related or Vornado. We’re the David of the David and Goliath fight.”

    He hopes their exercise shows “the city what private money can do, what the community can do.” It cost roughly $100,000.

    Roberto Rovira from ArquitectonicaGEO explained how his firm “reclaimed” the water’s edge.

    In Rovira’s rendering, UPS would occupy the first level, sanitation in the middle, and then a top level that’s “essentially an elaborate roof garden.”

    Instead of importing the salt from Chile, as Rovira said the city does now, he proposed a salt harvesting field in the Hudson.

    “We wanted to take that challenge [of salt storage] and express it architecturally,” Rovira said. Along with a bird rookery and mussel farm, the salt harvesting area would create a new ecosystem and a year-round destination. “This is our opportunity to rethink what it means to have a park.”

    You can see it

    Envisioning Hudson Square is on view at the St. John’s Center, 550-570 Washington St. at Houston Street, through Nov. 21. For more info, visit

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    The best deal the city can get on salt comes from Chile?

  3. #303

    Default renderings...

    Hard to really see them but the renderings in the background on that website are pretty interesting. If there is a way to get more park space in that area and still provide the needed parking space for DOS/UPS, that would be great...

    On salt and chile - I had the same reaction...I was under the impression that a lot of our salt comes from mines in upstate new york (around the finger lakes)......

  4. #304

    Default Salt Facts

    The NY salt comes from a company called International Salt ( and their website homepage makes mention of it. The links to the contract award notices from the procurement office are as follows: [see page 12] [see page 2]

    It is interesting to note too that the road salt for NY is the most expensive of all the contracts!
    Last edited by projectsnyc; October 30th, 2007 at 11:40 AM.

  5. #305

    Default will they now throw-out the pier 57 and pier 40 responses?

    November 16, 2007
    Former G.O.P. Official Admits He Evaded Taxes

    The former chairman of the New York County Republican Committee admitted yesterday that he had evaded taxes and violated state ethics law in connection with money he was paid as a consultant to a real estate company and as an arbitrator in a dispute over helicopter services on the West Side.

    The former chairman, James A. Ortenzio, said during a hearing in State Supreme Court in Manhattan yesterday that he had knowingly failed to disclose the income, totaling about $180,000, in 2004 and 2005, and pleaded guilty to tax evasion and to violating the financial disclosure law for public officials.

    He made the guilty plea as part of a deal with prosecutors, in exchange for a sentence of five years’ probation. But he must file amended tax returns and pay back taxes and penalties.

    Mr. Ortenzio is a millionaire businessman who has been a major fund-raiser for former Gov. George E. Pataki and former Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani. He went from truck driver and butcher to owner of the Long Island Beef Company in Greenwich Village. He has been known as Mr. Meat among residents of the meatpacking district, now home to fashionable restaurants, nightclubs and boutiques.

    His lawyer, Randy M. Mastro, said after the hearing that Mr. Ortenzio was “a good and decent man who made a mistake that he regrets,” and who was accepting his responsibility for that mistake.

    Mr. Mastro stressed that the money Mr. Ortenzio had been paid in both cases was “perfectly legal,” and suggested that his “mistake” should be put in the context of “exceptional and dedicated pro bono public service that this man has given to New York.”

    Robert M. Morgenthau, the Manhattan district attorney, said yesterday that the investigation of Mr. Ortenzio grew out of an earlier investigation into the Cipriani family restaurant business. Mr. Ortenzio, who owns several meat processing companies, was a distributor of meat and other foods to Cipriani restaurants, Mr. Morgenthau said.

    The investigation began with an anonymous tip that Mr. Ortenzio was trying to use his influence to obtain a contract for Cipriani at Pier 57, Mr. Morgenthau said. From 1999 to 2003, Mr. Ortenzio was chairman of the Hudson River Park Trust, a public benefit corporation created to develop the park, which stretches from 59th Street to Battery Park. It covers both Pier 57 and the West Side heliport.

    It “started with an over-the-transom letter, an anonymous letter, alleging collusive bidding at Pier 57,” Mr. Morgenthau said. But no such charges were filed. He said there was other information in the letter that led to yesterday’s guilty plea. Prosecutors do not know who sent the letter, Mr. Morgenthau said.

    Mr. Ortenzio read a written statement in court admitting that in September 2004, while he was chairman of the Republican Party, he was paid $100,000 by Fisher Brothers Management Company, a Park Avenue real estate firm, for consulting services. He said that “with intent to deceive,” he did not report the payment on a financial disclosure form required of public officers by the state’s Ethics Commission.

    He also admitted that in June 2004, he was retained to mediate a dispute between Air Pegasus of New York and Sightseeing Tours of America over helicopter service in Manhattan. He said that in 2005, he was paid $80,000 for his services and that he filed false tax returns by intentionally failing to disclose the income.

    Asked by Justice Laura A. Ward whether there was any impediment to his understanding the nature of his guilty plea, Mr. Ortenzio replied, “No, Your Honor.”

    The proposal to redevelop Pier 57 at West 15th Street into an event and catering site was a joint venture of Steve Witkoff and Giuseppe Cipriani, but has been on hold since the investigation began, prosecutors said. Mr. Cipriani dropped out of the project in May 2006.

    Mr. Morgenthau said that prosecutors did not know exactly what kind of consulting services Mr. Ortenzio had provided to Fisher Brothers. “We’ve got ideas, but we don’t know,” he said.

    Mr. Ortenzio pleaded guilty to one count of violating the tax law by filing false returns or reports of personal income and earnings, a Class E felony, and one count of a violation of the Public Officers Law on financial disclosure, a Class A misdemeanor. He faced up to four years in prison on the felony count.

    Copyright 2007 The New York Times Company

  6. #306

    Default This is a new idea

    A museum for city sanitation by amy zimmer / metro new york

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    DEC 12, 2007
    INTERVIEW. New York University professor Robin Nagle’s other gig is the Dept. of Sanitation’s anthropologist-in-residence. An exhibit she did with another professor and 12 students about DSNY’s history opens tonight at 136 West 20th St. — the first step in creating a Sanitation Museum, she told Metro.

    Police and firefighters have museums. Why not sanitation?
    It’s long overdue. The department is kind of a victim of its own success. For the most part they do the job so well, you don’t have to think about them. It’s as if they’re forgotten. Sanitation personnel are used to being disregarded, so they forget to celebrate themselves. I have the privilege — since I come from the outside, but straddle both words — to say, “Look at how important you are.” Because we export all our trash now that Fresh Kills is closed, we are always three days away from a system shutdown if something goes wrong.

    Why are sanitation workers forgotten?
    When I was on the job as a sanitation worker — I drove a truck — as soon as I put the uniform on, I was invisible. People looked right through me. I’d like to change that. I’m not saying these guys are heroes, but sanitation workers are three times more likely to be killed on the job than police or firefighters. When sanitation workers are killed they get three inches in the paper, but police or firefighters get the front page.

    What’s next for the project?
    This is a modest start. It’s one room. But it signals to the world we have big goals. Once this is done, we’ll sit down and do the homework to file as a not-for-profit and raise money. We envision the museum as a cultural and education center. We hope the Dept. of Sanitation will use it for events.

    Have you been eyeing a spot for the museum?
    I have one dream location: There’s a garage on Canal Street, by the West Side Highway. It was built as a stable for the Department of Street Cleaning. We grew out of that department when Sanitation was formed in 1930.

  7. #307

    Default This can't be good . . .

    Lawmaker: Missing Ammo Poses New York Harbor Danger

    POSTED: 9:39 pm EST January 14, 2008
    UPDATED: 9:45 pm EST January 14, 2008

    NEW YORK -- Before the city's Sanitation Department starts building a new garbage-transfer station on the edge of New York harbor, it may have to clean up something more potentially explosive than rancid food that stayed too long on the shelf, says a state lawmaker.

    Back on March 6, 1954, hundreds of tons of Korean War-vintage munitions were being loaded off the aircraft carrier USS Bennington when a sudden storm caused a barge to capsize and break loose, spilling its cargo. By the time the barge was found upside down six miles away, it was empty.

    About 400 anti-aircraft shells were recovered by divers at the loading site eight months later, but as many as 14,000 more were strewn along the bottom and never found, said State Assemblyman Bill Colton, a Democrat from Brooklyn.

    Colton said he was "deeply concerned" that dredging for the new shoreline waste facility could detonate live shells buried in the harbor silt, even after 54 years.

    "It's possible that 219 tons of anti-aircraft shells are still out there on the bottom, and we must make sure we're not digging and dredging in a place where they go ka-poof," Colton said Monday. "It's an unknown hazard and could be a catastrophe."

    Colton said the Sanitation Department should conduct an "intense environmental assessment" before going ahead with plans for the waste transfer station on Gravesend Bay, a broad inlet of the harbor that already has a large fuel oil depot. The sanitation site will include a 20,000-gallon fuel tank.

    A Sanitation Department spokesman did not return a call seeking comment on Colton's claims.

    The Bennington, a 27,000-ton veteran of World War II and Korea, had recently suffered damage from a boiler explosion and was destined for repairs at the Brooklyn Navy Yard where it was built in 1944.

    Warships were required to offload all explosives before entering the upper harbor, a task carried out at Fort Lafayette, a tiny outpost that dated back to the War of 1812 and later would become the foundation for the Brooklyn-side tower of the Verrazano Bridge.

    Petty Officer William Kirk, a New Jersey native, was supervising a work crew loading boxes of ammunition onto one of the barges and had just stepped away to get a cup of coffee when the barge suddenly broke away.

    When he rushed back to the scene, "sure enough it was my barge," Kirk, now 77, recalled on Monday in a phone interview at his home in Winter Park, Fla.

    "People later said it was rough seas. I don't know about that, but that would have explained it. It just tipped over and deep-sixed all those munitions."

    © 2008 by The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

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    Gravesend Bay, not Gansevoort.

  9. #309

    Default Test probes

    I see they have core drilling rigs set up in the UPS lot. Somethings up.

  10. #310

    Default UPS site for Spring St Sanitation Garage

    In local newspaper articles about the community’s alternative proposal to the Department of Sanitation’s plan to site three sanitation districts plus a salt pile at Spring and Washington Streets, a UPS spokesperson is quoted as saying that UPS is willing to work with the Department of Sanitation. The spokesperson states that UPS does not have a preference about whether Sanitation's proposal or the community's proposed alternative is built at UPS’s Spring St parking lot.

    The community alternative (which would include a park built over a shared UPS/Sanitation garage for CB 1 and 2, as conceived under the "Envisioning Hudson Square" architectural design charrette) has significant community support, unlike the Sanitation plan, which is uniformly opposed. I hope UPS reconsiders its indifference to the concerns of the community, which until now, has been a good neighbor to UPS.

  11. #311


    well said...actually UPS would rather just keep the lot as a is but they are being bullied into working with the DOS.

  12. #312


    Quote Originally Posted by bigkdc View Post
    actually UPS would rather just keep the lot as a [it] is
    They wanted to sell it from the beginning.

  13. #313


    really? i thought they were threatened with Eminent Domain so were forced to sell to/work with DOS. I can't imagine the value UPS is getting compares to what they could have gotten with some sort of private development.

  14. #314
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    Could be that both were happening in tandem ...

    UPS wants to sell, DOS shows interest, UPS sets price, DOS counters, UPS balks and deal seems to be stuck, DOS / government uses threat of seizure of UPS porperty via eminent domain as a negotiating tactic, shared use UPS + DOT plan for the site is announced ...

  15. #315

    Default What's Wrong With a Win-Win?

    Under the community's alternative, DSNY would get its garage at much lower cost than under its own proposal, UPS would remain at the site and get significant $s for air rights, and the community would get a rooftop park and other amenities. I would think this is something to which all parties could agree.

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