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    oh, for heaven's sake, isn't this horse out of this barn?

    I feel sorry for the residents of the Printing District who feel that their quality of life will be impinged by the sanitation garage (I've lived in Midtown next to Hearst, so I know what trucks sound like).

    But on the other hand, why fight a mayor with all the money in the world who has clearly decided that this is the least detrimental place to put this project? Seems like a waste of energy, and in some cases, starpower.

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    Well, they are Manhattanites. Why should the get this garage, when there are much poorer neighborhoods that wouldn't mind being processing centers for their trash. C'mon, the folks in Hudson Square have trash compactors. They though that meant the rtash would be whisked away to disappear into the ether.

    Earth to rich people... Earth to rich people... You live on the island? Take care of your own trash.

    Tirade done.

    You may resume your civil discourse.

    (Hi Ali - nice to see you back posting.)

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    The big scam here is that another block that had been designated (Eleventh / West 30th) sits next to a site now owned by Joseph Rose, former City Planning Commissioner -- who is tight with Mayor Mike -- and is near the Hudson Yards, to be developed by the influential & deep-pocketed Related Companies. That logical site for part of the DOS facility has been pulled out of play.

    Favors? Connections? Fairness?

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    Perhaps, but these folks just got their phase of the HRP. The community has objected to nearly every plan to develop Pier 40 and, now, this.

    I think the design is better than what Red Hook or a community in East New York might ever hope for. That block makes perfect sense. Lowe Manhattan should handle its own trash.

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    I agree that rich people shouldn't be treated better than anyone else by the city -- we're all paying the same taxes (well, er, the same proportion of our income, even if the rich folks are paying a whole hell of a lot more...). Still, taxes schmaxes, I'm all for not dumping all the bad stuff on poorer neighborhoods (like mine, which has 2 sewage treatment plants and a few municipal-car depots! all of which is a spur toward upward mobility, I gotta say...).

    However, if there's a design that is cheaper, much nicer for both the immediate neighbors and the rest of us (I'd travel 200 blocks south to sit on this beautiful roof deck and enjoy the city, but I sure wouldn't find a utilitarian dumptruck garage to be anything that enriches the city for me), I see no reason not to pursue it. Yeah, the richies and celebs were able to find an architect and have him put together the design, whereas my 'hood wouldn't be able to do that. So what? If they've produced a superior design that saves the city (and all of us who fund it!) money and gives back a bit to all of us, it'd be irresponsible of the city not to take notice and fully consider it, even if it's Bernie Madoff proposing it. A good idea's a good idea. Maybe it'd even spur similar copycat designs in less well-off areas.

    There's the issue of the third district's worth of dumptrucks, of course, but if those are from Midtown anyway, why doesn't the city use some of the ample unused/underused/in-development land on the Far West Side, or condition it as part of a deal with a developer in one of the many new projects over there (e.g., we give you a tax break, you build a sub-basement for the dumptrucks taking out your residents' banana peels and milk cartons)?

    And the corruption/cronyism inherent in moving the proposed location due to political connections is abhorrent and inexcusable. If only there were a way (beyond voting) to punish that sort of BS. Joseph Rose, YOU are first on the docket.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BrooklynRider View Post

    That block makes perfect sense. Lowe Manhattan should handle its own trash.
    You do understand that these folks are agreeing to have a DOS facility that serves TWO Sanitation Districts, right? That would be trash from all of Lower Manhattan at Spring Street. So they're not saying "No Trash Here." The City is pushing for a super-facility that serves THREE SD's with trucks coming in from all over.

    The logical plan would be to put an additional DOS facility at the 30th Street site.

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    Community Forum for Extell's Riverside Center

    Community response to the proposed development by Extell Corporation of the final tract of the Riverside South land in Manhattan



    Ask Mayor Bloomberg, the Milsteins, NYDS and Hudson Rise How to Pay for a Park

    How can a park for Riverside Center be paid for? Ask the NYC Sanitation Dept., Mayor Bloomberg, HUD and the Paul & Irma Milstein Foundation.We all are longing to see a lush, green park as part of the Riverside Center development. But the realists out there want to know: how can it be paid for? There are many ways in which a park can be supported, just look around.
    The NY Department of Sanitation is currently obliged to to garage our community’s sanitation trucks (CB7) in a CB4 location, because there is no room for them in our neighborhood. The lower west side has a problem with that. NYDS wants to have space designed for the CB7 trucks underneath the Extell development, where a car dealership is currently planned. They are willing to pay $384 per sq. ft. which is a good price in today’s real estate market. The Sanitation Department has also indicated their willingness to green district garages with LEED certified standards and roof top parks. Voile. New park paid for. To see a more thorough discussion of this, please refer to this document by Michael Kramer. (And thank you Michael for making us aware of this issue).

    Also take a look at this ad by the Hudson Rise group for a fund-raising party, using some of the nabe’s celebrities as spokespersons (Kirsten Dunst, Lou Reed, William Thompson, etc).... Another idea to explore.




    Readers should also be aware that yet another new park was recently formed in Tribeca. Here is a photo:



    It was paid for in part by HUD money granted to refurbish lower Manhattan after the 9/11 attack, but the Paul and Irma Milstein Foundation also contributed $500,000 for its construction, and $556,000 was contributed by the Office of the Mayor.

    Funding a park can be done, my dear Riversidecentrics, we just need to be patient and find a way.
    This was written by Marta Hallowell.




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    Judge dumps Hudson Square mega-garbage garage suit

    By Albert Amateau

    State Supreme Court Justice Joan B. Lobis last week dismissed the lawsuit by Hudson Square residents, businesses and community groups challenging the city’s plan to build a three-district Sanitation garage on Spring St.

    The Jan. 11 ruling also dismissed the part of the suit that challenged the 2005 settlement that Friends of Hudson River Park reached with the city for a timetable to get the Department of Sanitation’s garages off Gansevoort Peninsula and Pier 97, at W. 59th St., to enable the piers to become part of the Hudson River Park.

    The suit was filed at the beginning of last year to block the proposed $500 million project with a 120-foot-tall garage for trucks and equipment from three Sanitation districts on property now owned by UPS.

    The plan, presented to the public in January 2005 and approved by the City Council in 2008, calls for a salt shed and diesel fueling in an area near the entrance to the Holland Tunnel that has been changing from industrial to mixed uses, including high-end residential condos.

    Susan Amron, the city’s lead attorney in the case, hailed the decision.

    “This ruling will allow the Department of Sanitation to move forward with construction of this much-needed facility,” Amron said on Jan. 14. “The new garage will provide space to park, clean, refuel and maintain vehicles, which will allow the city to more ably provide essential services to the Tribeca and neighboring communities, in addition to allowing for the inclusion of the Gansevoort Peninsula into the Hudson River Park.”

    Michael Kramer, who represents the owner of the St. John’s Center building, one of the plaintiffs in the case, said on Jan. 13 that the challengers have not yet decided whether to appeal the ruling.

    “Of course, we are disappointed,” Kramer said.

    Phil Mouquinho, owner of the restaurant P.J. Charlton on Greenwich St., one of the plaintiffs, said he could not believe the ruling. The judge, he said, ignored the project’s impact on traffic and pollution in the neighborhood.

    Mouquinho, however, noted that even if Justice Lobis’s ruling stands up, other agencies, including the Port Authority and the city Department of Transportation, would have to approve aspects of the project as they come online.

    “It’s not over till it’s over,” Mouquinho said.

    However, A.J. Pietrantone, executive director of Friends of Hudson River Park, was gratified by what he called the “correct ruling.” But he said the Friends group, which advocates and raises funds for the 5-mile-long Hudson River Park, was sympathetic to neighbors’ concerns. He said his Friends organization “hopes that a better alternative for the current plan can still be advanced.”

    The decision said the plaintiffs had no standing to challenge the Friends’ settlement with the city, even though the agreement mentions the Spring St. location. Justice Lobis agreed with city and state lawyers that the agreement merely cites Spring St. as one of several possible alternatives to the existing Gansevoort Sanitation station.

    The judge also rejected the claim that the plan was arbitrary, violated the city’s “fair share” principles and did not take the requisite “hard look” at alternatives.

    Justice Lobis did not accept the idea that the Department of Sanitation did not adequately consider alternatives, including the Hudson Rise plan proposed by the plaintiffs.

    “D.S.N.Y, identified numerous reasons why [Hudson Rise] was not considered in the scope of alternatives,” the judge said. Lobis also rejected the plaintiffs’ claim that the environmental impact statement and the city approval process for the project were flawed.

    Richard Barrett, a member of the Canal West Coalition and a plaintiff in the suit, said later that courts usually follow precedents that go along with municipalities in such lawsuits.

    “It’s like the divine right of kings, and its time for reform,” he said. “I think [the decision] was a done deal from the beginning,” he added. Nevertheless, Barrett said he thought the issue was still alive and that changes in the plan were still possible.

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    FROM: COMMUNITY SANITATION STEERING COMMITTEE
    Spokesperson: Phillip Mouquinho 1-917-439-2383
    Contact: Carole DeSaram 1-845-430-9330,
    Richard Barrett – 1-609-658-4742
    Michael Kramer 1-917-622-5154

    "Downtown Community to Appeal Ruling of Judge to Impose Three Sanitation Garages upon the Tribeca and Hudson Square Neighborhoods”

    (New York, NY – February 3, 2010) – Downtown community residents, business and property owners have filed a Notice Of Appeal today in the Appellate Division First Department of the NYS Supreme Court. They are represented on the appeal by Kenneth F. McCallion of the law firm of McCallion & Associates LLP.


    According to Community Sanitation Steering Committee (“CSSC”) member, Richard Barrett: “We are confident that the appellate court will reverse the lower court’s decision dismissing our petition to halt the planned Consolidated Three District Sanitation Garage at Spring Street in the heart of the Hudson Square/North Tribeca neighborhood.”


    According to CSSC spokesperson, Phillip Mouquinho, the long-term owner of PJ Charlton’s restaurant, “over the past 14 months we have been trying to work in good faith with the City who asked us to do their work in trying to find an alternative site for a sanitation garage that serves midtown." By announcing an RFP to bid out a construction contract, the city rejected CSSC's award winning American Institute of Architects (AIA) Hudson Rise plan www.hudsonrise.com by Z-H Architects which would have put a two district sanitation garage under a rooftop park; one day after an uptown community board indicated their interest in a stand-alone garage. He added that this “turns out to be a serious case of ‘smoke and mirrors’ as the City had no intention of listening to the community”.


    Carole DeSaram, president of the Tribeca Association added that, “we certainly had standing to create the Hudson River Park, but now the Judge has explicitly denied us the opportunity to uphold the rules of the Hudson River Park Act which safeguards the Park and its surrounding community”. Issues under Appeal will include the requirement that moving sanitation garages out of Gansevoort and into the neighborhood constitute a “Significant Action” which should have triggered a Public Hearing. She expressed hope that the appeals process would help to restore a sense of balance to allow the City and the community to work through the proper “consensus-building” channels to find a better solution.
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    City seeks contractors to build garage tower
    By Albert Amateau

    The Department of Sanitation is putting its three-district garage proposed for Spring St. out to bid this week.

    The invitation to potential contractors for the 120-foot-tall garage, to serve Sanitation Districts 1, 2 and 5, covering Lower Manhattan, Greenwich Village, and Midtown between Lexington and Eighth Aves., appears in the Feb. 3 City Record.

    The deadline for responses is March 31, and the Sanitation Department expects to be able to award the bid by the end of May, said Steve Brautigam, Sanitation’s assistant commissioner for environmental affairs. Construction is expected to take a little more than three years, and the department estimates the project’s total cost at $385 million. The site, on the north side of Spring St. between Washington and West Sts., is on property owned by UPS and used by the delivery service to marshal its trucks. Sanitation is negotiating with UPS to share the property’s use.

    A salt shed to serve the three Sanitation districts will be built on the south side of Spring St. on department property that now serves Sanitation District 1, covering most of Lower Manhattan south of Canal St. The salt shed is not part of the garage construction bid and will be built separately, a department spokesperson said.

    The project has been driven by a court-approved agreement calling for Sanitation to get its garbage trucks off Gansevoort Peninsula to allow the site to be developed as part of the 5-mile-long Hudson River Park.

    The project was bitterly opposed by a group of Hudson Square and Tribeca neighborhood property owners and residents who filed a lawsuit to block it. They tried but failed to convince the city to build Hudson Rise, a smaller Spring St. facility, that would serve only two Sanitation districts.

    On Jan. 11, State Supreme Court Justice Joan B. Lobis dismissed the lawsuit, but the plaintiffs announced on Feb. 3 that they filed a notice appealing the dismissal to the Appellate Division.

    Phil Mouquinho, the long-term owner of PJ Charlton’s restaurant and a spokesperson for the Hudson Sq. plaintiffs, said the group has been working for more than a year with the city to try to find an alternative site for a sanitation garage serving Midtown, but now it’s clear never intended to seriously consider them.

    “By announcing an R.F.P. to bid out a construction contract, the city rejected our award winning Hudson Rise plan which would have put a two-district sanitation garage under a rooftop park,” Mouquinho said in a statement.

    Another plaintiff, Carole De Saram, president of the Tribeca Association, said the plaintiffs had standing to create the original plan for Hudson River Park, “but now [the judge] has explicitly denied us the opportunity to uphold the rules of the Hudson River Park Act which safeguards the park and its surrounding community,” De Saram said. She said she hoped the appeals process would lead D.S.N.Y. and the community to arrive at a consensus for a better solution.

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    They filed permits for this earlier this month.
    5 Stories 115 feet.
    http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/Jo...ssdocnumber=01

    For comparison, the Urban Glass House is 12 stories, 140'.

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    Urban Glass House Brokers Embrace the Tower o' Garbage!

    July 6, 2010, by Joey



    The long, bitter, star-studded campaign to derail the Sanitation Department's huge garbage truck garage planned for the increasingly glitzy Hudson Square area has been defeated. That can't sit well with the residents and prospective partiers of the Urban Glass House across the street, but there's no escape from the shakes. In New York this week, JhoRo reports that a group of brokers hired to sell units in the posh Spring Street building held a confab to trade war stories about their Herculean task:
    Nearly a third of its 40 units were bought within weeks of its debut in 2005—and then sales stalled. Not one apartment has been resold in five years. (A sponsor unit is just now in contract.) Six have been on the market for months. Four have been marked down, from 6 to 17 percent, and nearly all are asking about the same price or below what they first fetched. A tenth-floor two-bedroom closed in 2006 for $2.469 million; today, it’s listed at $1.895 million and has been since September.
    Yikes! But fear not, because they have a plan!

    The Tower o' Garbage is a "psychological barrier," one broker said, even if the garage will just be for parking and service and won't actually process trash. So how do they get buyers to break through that barrier? Easy, just show 'em the darn thing! Brokers are learning to love the despised neighborhood intruder, "arming themselves with renderings" and pitching the building as an aesthetic upgrade to the parking lot that's currently on the West Street (between Spring and Canal streets) site. At least someone was taking notes when a DSNY commissioner said the garage would "add value" to Hudson Square! But will buyers drink the Kool Aid? Depends: Was it made from powder harvested from discarded packets that fell off a garbage truck?

    Garbage In, Garbage Out [NYM]
    Tower O' Garbage coverage [Curbed]

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    Downtown Residents File Appeal to Block Sanitation Garage

    Celebrities including James Gandolfini have opposed construction of the $500 million garage on Spring Street.

    By Julie Shapiro


    The site of the proposed three-district sanitation garage.

    HUDSON SQUARE — TriBeCa and SoHo residents, including the likes of actors John Slattery and James Gandolfini, are mounting one last stand against a $500 million sanitation garage slated to rise on Spring Street.

    Downtown residents and business owners filed an appeal Monday arguing that the city has no right to dump three districts' worth of garbage trucks into one garage at Spring and West Streets.

    "We shouldn't be burdened with garbage picked up all the way on 59th St.," said Carole De Saram, president of the Tribeca Community Association, one of the groups that filed the lawsuit. "It's an unfair burden to our community."

    Local residents and property owners — along with actors Gandolfini, Slattery, Jennifer Connelly, Kirsten Dunst and more — have been fighting the 120-foot-tall garage and salt shed for years, worried that it will bring unnecessary traffic and pollution to their neighborhood.

    In 2009, the Tribeca Community Association and other downtown groups sued the city in an effort to stop the project. But the State Supreme Court dismissed the suit earlier this year, saying the residents and business owners did not have grounds to sue.

    The appeal filed Monday seeks to overturn the Supreme Court's decision.

    "It was ridiculous for the court to rule that we had no standing to bring this challenge," Phil Mouquinho, owner of PJ Charlton restaurant on Greenwich Street near the proposed garage, said in a statement. "I've lived and worked here all my life."

    A spokeswoman for the city Law Department said in an e-mail that the city believes the Supreme Court's decision "will be upheld, paving the way for the construction of this much-needed facility."

    The city put the garage project out to bid earlier this year but has not selected a contractor, so construction has not begun, a spokeswoman for the Sanitation Department said. The spokeswoman did not give a timeline for the work.

    Opponents of the garage put together an alternate proposal last year called Hudson Rise, which would house trucks from just two districts, cost less money, and include a park and a bridge over West Street. The city was not interested in building Hudson Rise, but De Saram and others have not given up hope.

    "It would be a beautiful amenity to the community," De Saram said. "This isn't over."

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    This site is enormous.

    It seems like better use of this could have been made had this facilty been placed in an industrial area elsewhere. Que sera.

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