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    That will change when the terminal is complete.
    Not true. The official notice from NYCDOT is "...until further notice".
    It can hardly be considered a viable route, anyway.

    The fact that you acknowledge a two-way toll would increase traffic on Staten Island is an admission that it would decrease it somewhere else.
    I don't have the slightest belief that a two-way toll will increase the volume of traffic on SI.
    I do contend that it will force vehicles to make an unnecessary stop thereby increasing congestion here, and have zero effect in Manhattan.

    The traffic should flow along a natural route, not distorted by a toll structure that make the longer route through a more dense area financially preferable.
    I agree. So why can't you accept that lower Manhattan is, was, and always will be a natural route for traffic as you believe the SI Expressway is?

    That is simply not true
    Sure it is. If the route is longer, in time and distance, then it must be more expensive. One hour of traffic (which is certainly a reasonable estimate) will cost more than any toll in existence.

    Like I stated previously. If the belief is that traffic in Manhattan is the result of cost-reducing truckers, then Jersey-bound tolls are indeed the solution. The reduction in traffic would offset the spill-over.
    What are you afraid of?

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    There is no point in further discussion on where the traffic goes, since you have ignored studies ad nauseam, and seem to instinctively "know" the answer.

    The backed-up toll plaza is a pre-EZ Pass dinosaur argument that is no longer relevant.

    I already stated why the two-way tolls from Manhattan to New Jersey were eliminated.

    What seems to enter the debate whenever Staten Island is in the mix is the real and perceived affronts on its residents by the rest of the city.

    The big deal is that Staten Island's residents will pay the price, again.

    BTW, the Verrazano Bridge toll subsidizes LIRR and Metro North - two services that are totally useless to Staten Island's residents.
    Funds being used elsewhere. Like that doesn't happen anywhere but Staten Island.

    Even the three new ferries are a concession to Staten Island complaints. They hold 4400 passengers and 40 cars. If built strictly for passengers, they would hold 5400 - just so fat-ass guidos can sit in their bling-bling Escalades and drive off the ferry, rather than risk a heart attack by waddling to a subway station.

    Thank you, Rudy.

    BTW, until further notice means until the terminal and plaza are complete. The new boats are already configured for cars.

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    And the winner is ... Zippy by TKO !

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    Quote Originally Posted by ablarc View Post
    And the winner is ... Zippy by TKO !
    Awww! No fair, my wife made plans for us.


    The backed-up toll plaza is a pre-EZ Pass dinosaur argument that is no longer relevant.

    I already stated why the two-way tolls from Manhattan to New Jersey were eliminated.
    If EZ Pass is good enough to work for a two-way Verrazano toll, then it's good enough to work for two-way Holland Tunnel toll.

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    Sunday, January 14, 2007

    Brooklyn Congressman Offers Ideas to Alleviate City Truck Traffic
    Staten Island and Brooklyn will see the greatest increase in truck traffic by 2020, with 93% and 95% increases respectively over 1998 levels, according to Federal Highway Administration projections.

    In an attempt to rectify the problem, Rep. Anthony Weiner (D-Brooklyn) unveiled a plan today to battle the expected rise in truck traffic.

    Among his suggestions are a 5.5 mile cross harbor rail freight tunnel, which has already been proposed by Rep. Jerrold Nadler (D-Manhattan/Brooklyn).

    The tunnel would run under New York Harbor from Sunset Park in Brooklyn to Greenville Yard in Jersey City and is estimated to take 1 million trucks off City streets.

    According to a New York State Department of Transportation study, 96 percent of Manhattan deliveries take place during peak hours.

    To discourage truck traffic from passing through the City at peak hours, Weiner said truck tolls should be increased peak hour on City river crossings that have existing tolls.

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    Default 4/25/2009 - Hazy day at the Narrows

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    Big Town, Big Picture: The Verrazano-Narrows Bridge

    September 23rd 2009


    Aerial view of the Belt Parkway at the foot of the Verrazano-Narrows Bridge.


    Verrazano Bridge approach is paved in forground at 85th street. Brooklyn, unpaved from 82nd to 79th streets, and paved further north.


    Approaches and Verrazano-Narrows Bridge under construction.

    Liberty Bridge, the mighty span linking Brooklyn and Staten Island was originally going to be called. That was back in 1928.

    What with a depression and a world war and one thing after another, the excitement subsided and it was another two decades before Robert Moses and the Triborough Bridge and Tunnel Authority revived the idea.
    Here now would be another vital link in the far-flung Moses highway network. Here now, along with the Goethals from Staten Island to Jersey, would be a direct route from New England and Long Island to the south and west.

    But it took another decade yet for work to start, since Moses had to uproot thousands of families and businesses and demolish their neighborhoods around both the Brooklyn and Staten Island anchorages; particularly in Bay Ridge on the Brooklyn side, legal hurdles thrown up by legions of howling citizens blocked construction through the administrations of several mayors and governors and legislatures. They lost.

    And when the Verrazano-Narrows Bridge officially opened in November 1964 — the world’s longest suspension bridge, designed by old Othmar Ammann himself — it put an end to Staten Island’s 300 years of sweetly pastoral semi-isolation . Several ferry lines went out of business on the spot as boom times loomed. From now on, Brooklyn was just 30 minutes away from the New Jersey Turnpike. Unless there were traffic jams, of course.


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    Random thought, but I'd love if they painted the bridge Staten Island Ferry orange.


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    We'd catch hell from San Francisco.

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    Maybe if it was painted ORANGE and BLUE ...

    But there's no need; the current color is perfect.

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    What are you thinking, Lofter?

    Those are Mets colors. This would happen.

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    Also the colors of another local team of yore ...


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    Well the color is a bit plain. The Whitestone and the Troggs Neck Bridges are the same color. I think for the Olympics they had plans to paint some of the bridges the colors of the olympic rings.

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    Yes, that's a far better solution: Paint the sky not the bridge. Beautiful!

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