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    Default mccain clinton - i think we know that's the matchup

    I think the odds are rising very rapidly that we pretty much know McCain Clinton will be the winners of the nominations and neither party will have a brokered convention. McCain is going to give Clinton a tougher fight than the other repubs would, and I think he'll keep the hispanic votes that Bush had cultivated.

    The campaign may hinge on whether anti-immigration idiots show up to vote for McCain anyway in November out of Clinton hatred, especially in places like Ohio and Virginia. I think Clinton can win in Florida if the housing market stays weak and McCain stands by his principled (and probably accurate) discomfort with stimulus measures on housing.

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    The race is nowhere near decided, especially on the GOP side.

    NcCain's strength has been the independent votes of the preceding states. He now will have to contend with the party base. Independents don't even vote in the NY primary.

    So far, both races are shaping up into the collecting of delegates, rather than establishing momentum.

    GOP delegates:

    Romney - 59
    Huckabee - 40
    McCain - 36

    DEM delegates:

    Clinton - 236
    Obama - 136
    Edwards - 50

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    Ron Paul outdrew Giuliani in SC.

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    McCain Has Big Win in South Carolina; Huckabee Falls Short

    CHARLESTON, S.C. — Senator John McCain staved off a spirited challenge by Mike Huckabee to win the South Carolina primary on Saturday, exorcising the ghosts of the attack-filled primary here that derailed his presidential hopes eight years ago...

    Candidate Vote %
    John McCain 140,798 33.2%
    Mike Huckabee 126,187 29.8
    Fred D. Thompson 66,824 15.8
    Mitt Romney 63,909 15.1
    Ron Paul 15,570 3.7
    Rudolph W. Giuliani 8,989 2.1
    Duncan Hunter 1,024 0.2
    Tom Tancredo 114 0.0


    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/20/us...pagewanted=all

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    Vote of Women Propels Clinton in Nevada Caucus

    LAS VEGAS — Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton won the vote in the Nevada Democratic caucuses on Saturday, giving her a second consecutive victory in what is shaping up as a protracted battle with Senator Barack Obama...

    Candidate Vote %
    Hillary Rodham Clinton 5,355 50.7%

    Barack Obama 4,773 45.2

    John Edwards 396 3.8

    Uncommitted 31 0.3

    Dennis J. Kucinich 5 0.0

    Joseph R. Biden Jr. 0 0.0

    Christopher J. Dodd 0 0.0

    Mike Gravel 0 0.0

    Bill Richardson 0 0.0


    †The vote totals for the Nevada Democratic Party reflect the number of county delegates won by the candidates.



    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/20/us...l?ref=politics

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    Romney Gains Easy Victory in Nevada’s G.O.P. Contest

    LAS VEGAS — Mitt Romney coasted to victory Saturday in the Nevada Republican caucuses, the first major Western contest of the presidential campaign.

    CandidateVote %
    Mitt Romney 22,649 51.1%
    Ron Paul 6,087 13.7
    John McCain 5,651 12.7
    Mike Huckabee 3,616 8.2
    Fred D. Thompson 3,521 7.9
    Rudolph W. Giuliani 1,910 4.3
    Duncan Hunter 890 2.0

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/20/us...l?ref=politics



    No media news blasts about Ron Paul taking the #2 spot. That's big news. Friggin NY Times. Another corporate mouthpiece.

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    Default Delegate Count

    Dems - 2025 Needed to win

    Hillary 9
    Obama 9
    Edwards 4

    Repubs - 1191 Needed to win

    Romney 27
    McCain 13
    Huckabee 2

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    Default Who? Oh yeah, the right-wing hate nazi from California...

    Duncan Hunter drops GOP presidential bid.

    Rep. Duncan Hunter (R-CA) has just announced that he is dropping out of the GOP presidential race.

    www.ThinkProgress.org January 19, 2008 6:50 pm

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    Default dems prefer hermoine to harry potter - that's my conclusion

    OK, here's my goofy post, but its kinda true. I kind of see an analogy between Hillary and Hermoine vs Obama and Harry Potter. One is the studied up/has her stuff together debater, whereas one sort of has a coolness and ability to "wing it" under pressure and an aura of being special that's hard to describe. So far, seems like Hermoine wins this battle in real life leadership.

    But only together can they stand against Voldermort/republicans, so hopefully they'll join up on the presidential ticket.

    What d'ya guys think of the analogy? (And yes, everything in life should ultimately be compared to Harry Potter)

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    Which candidate is gay?

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    Default ha, ha

    I guess McCain is the only guy old enough to look like Dumbeldore, so maybe its him.

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    Didn't know at first if I should put this here or in the poetry section. Then, I knew:


    DEMOCRACY

    It's coming through a hole in the air
    From those nights in Tiananmen Square
    It's coming from the feel
    That it ain't exactly real
    Or it's real, but it ain't exactly there
    From the wars against disorder
    From the sirens night and day
    From the fires of the homeless
    From the ashes of the gay
    Democracy is coming to the U.S.A.

    It's coming through a crack in the wall
    On a visionary flood of alcohol
    From the staggering account
    Of the Sermon on the Mount
    Which I don't pretend to understand at all
    It's coming from the silence
    On the dock of the bay
    From the brave, the bold, the battered
    Heart of Chevrolet
    Democracy is coming to the U.S.A.

    It's coming from the sorrow on the street
    The holy places where the races meet
    From the homicidal bitchin'
    That goes down in every kitchen
    To determine who will serve and who will eat
    From the wells of disappointment
    Where the women kneel to pray
    For the grace of God in the desert here
    And the desert far away
    Democracy is coming to the U.S.A.

    CHORUS
    Sail on, sail on
    O mighty Ship of State!
    To the Shores of Need
    Past the Reefs of Greed
    Through the Squalls of Hate
    Sail on, sail on, sail on...



    It's coming to America first
    The cradle of the best and of the worst
    It's here they got the range
    And the machinery for change
    And it's here they got the spiritual thirst
    It's here the family's broken
    And it's here the lonely say
    That the heart has got to open
    In a fundamental way
    Democracy is coming to the U.S.A.

    It's coming from the women and the men
    O baby, we'll be making love again
    We'll be going down so deep
    That the river's going to weep
    And the mountain's going to shout amen!
    It's coming like the tidal flood
    Beneath the lunar sway
    Imperial, mysterious
    In amorous array
    Democracy is coming to the U.S.A.

    CHORUS

    I'm sentimental, if you know what I mean
    I love the country but I can't stand the scene
    And I'm neither left or right
    I'm just staying home tonight
    Getting lost in that hopeless little screen
    But I'm stubborn as those garbage bags
    That time cannot decay
    I'm junk but I'm still holding up
    This little wild bouquet

    Democracy is coming to the U.S.A.



    --L.Cohen

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    Love Leonard Cohen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by investordude View Post
    OK, here's my goofy post, but its kinda true. I kind of see an analogy between Hillary and Hermoine vs Obama and Harry Potter. One is the studied up/has her stuff together debater, whereas one sort of has a coolness and ability to "wing it" under pressure and an aura of being special that's hard to describe. So far, seems like Hermoine wins this battle in real life leadership.

    But only together can they stand against Voldermort/republicans, so hopefully they'll join up on the presidential ticket.

    What d'ya guys think of the analogy? (And yes, everything in life should ultimately be compared to Harry Potter)

    (I have no interst in Harry Potter.)

    Obama would never join on a ticket with Hillary, and likely vice-versa. A month ago they may have considered it. They're ripping each other apart. If Hillary wins, she may pick up General Wesley Clark as her running mate. Either Obama or Hillary would likely consider Bill Richardson. Nobody will consider John Edwards, he already ran as VP once and lost. The only way he'll end up on the ticket is if he wins the nomination himself. While unlikely, it is not inconceivable. If the bitterness between Hillary and Obama persists, the escalating infighting may turn off voter to both of them. Edwards, waiting in the wings, could step to the fore and steal the prize.

    I'm hoping that the Democrats run either Hillary or Edwards, and the the Republicans run Huckabee. That would leave polarizing candidates on the left and right, with a wide open field for Michael Bloomberg to run down the middle.



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    Also ... Hillary and Barack are both from Illinois, so that counts them out as a part of the same ticket.

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