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    South Street Seaport lessee shares Pier 17 plans

    Howard Hughes Corp. hopes to file its proposal with the Landmarks commission in the first half of the year. Plans include a structure with more glass and better access to the outside.

    By Theresa Agovino


    The firm that leases the South Street Seaport is starting to share its proposals for Pier 17.
    The plans include a garden roof and walkways cutting through the mall for better access to the outside.




    The firm that leases the South Street Seaport has started sharing its plan for renovating Pier 17 with officials who need to approve the company's proposal to create a more open mall that takes better advantage of the pier's waterfront location.

    Howard Hughes Corp. hopes to file its plan with the Landmarks Preservation Commission in the first half of this year, sources said. It has already had three meeting with Landmarks' staff, the most recent of which was on Monday. The proposal needs Landmarks' okay because the seaport is in a historic district.

    Late last year, representatives from the company and the pier's designer, SHoP Architects, met with members of Manhattan Community Board 1 to show them renderings. The new structure would have much more glass, a garden roof and walkways cutting through the mall for better access to the outside.

    “It is really good news that the company is moving forward with plans to renovate the seaport,” says Julie Menin, chair of Community Board 1. She said she hoped the new mall would have more shops catering to local residents instead of being so tourist-focused.

    Ms. Menin added that the board wanted to see what Howard Hughes Corp. had planned for the entire seaport, even though its immediate focus is on the pier. She said the board wanted to be able to view the pier in the context of the proposal's other elements.

    The seaport's former leaseholder had planned a large tower on the site, which drew criticism from the neighborhood. Ms. Menin said Howard Hughes indicated they had no plans to construct a tall building right now because of the economy.

    "The Howard Hughes Corp. is committed to making the South Street Seaport better for the downtown community that surrounds it and for the city as a whole,” said a spokesman for the company, in a statement. “We will work with local residents, their representatives and the city to ensure that this iconic destination lives up to its true potential, bringing energy and benefits to the neighborhood.”

    Eventually, the proposal must be approved by the New York City Planning Department. However, it was unclear when Howard Hughes would submit the plan to that agency.


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    Enough discussion. Tear that POS down already. There is absolutely nothing the developer could put on that pier which would be anywhere near as bad.

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    Um...that was an ignorant response when it was already stated that one, it drew criticism from the community, two, the pier is landmarked and three, there's no demand for a tower.

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    Yeah, I agree with BPC it's a rat infested POS don't know why it even is landmarked rip the SOB down.

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    The building isn't landmarked. The pier is part of the historic district. As are piers 16 and 15.

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    In that case what are we waiting for knock the rat hole down!

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    Money.

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    Only way this gets developed anytime soon is if some cash rich developers get into the mix. regardless, other than for views, these parcels are pretty lousy - inconvenient location, lots of highway and bridge noise and filth, tons of govt red tape.

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    Gallery: Pier 15 by SHoP Architects

    by Amanda Coen








    more pics

    The new pier is snuggled between the elevated FDR Drive, huge ships that are docked at South Street Seaport, and the open waters of the East River. Following the hexagonal paving along the existing esplanade, visitors will immediately notice the slick red line that distinguishes Pier 15 from its surroundings. What first appears to be a line is actually a series of slatted, red plastic boards that line the ceiling of the lower level. SHoP specifically designed them to bow, creating the illusion of looking at the hull of a ship in homage to the zone’s nautical past.

    Facing the pier, visitors can choose between three options for entering the space. A staircase leads up the left side of the park to the upper level, and there is also wheelchair accessible ramp. For those who prefer to start on the lower level, a pathway leads through the bottom level, passing by what currently appear to be two empty, enclosed glass galleries. Plans are in place to bring a restaurant and maritime museum to these vacant spaces, but for now visitors will have to pack their own lunch to enjoy on one of the many benches in the open air.

    Benches can be found along the sides of the pier making for a great place to take in views of the Brooklyn and Manhattan Bridges to the north, Brooklyn waterfront to the east, or Pier 11, originally designed by Smith-Miller + Hawkinson, to the south. The benches are similar in design to those found along the rest of the esplanade. Sharp edges define the ipe wood benches that are reminiscent of old shipping crates.

    Native plants also play an important role in enlivening and greening the space situated between the two glass galleries. The eastern most gallery provides relative protection from the wind and the south-facing garden receives excellent light throughout the day. Unlike the lower level, the upper level has no overhead covering or red slats and feels similar to the High Line. Two rectangular bowed areas of grass give the impression of a wave and provide a break from the wood flooring. They are enclosed by cement blocks that run length-wise along the outside edges, providing an additional option for seating or play.

    Overall, Pier 15 fits well with the rest of the esplanade but also stands on its own. On the lower level, two sections feature wide, descending stairs that allow visitors to get a little closer to the water as can be found along other parts of the riverfront design and many materials are the same as those used on other parts. However, what truly marks the pier is the interplay of shadow, line, color, levels and materials that SHoP and Ken Smith have established throughout the design.

    Pier 15 by SHoP Architects and Ken Smith Opens on the East River Waterfront Esplanade East River Waterfront Esplanade Pier 15 – Inhabitat New York City

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    South Street Seaport's Pier 17 to be Gutted Under New Plan

    March 9, 2012 6:56am | By Julie Shapiro, DNAinfo Reporter/Producer




    Howard Hughes Corp. proposed a new all-glass structure for Pier 17. (Howard Hughes Corp. )


    SOUTH STREET SEAPORT — Imagine the South Street Seaport without the hulking Pier 17 mall.
    Howard Hughes Corp., the Seaport's owner, unveiled a sweeping new plan Thursday to redevelop Pier 17, tearing down the tourist-trap existing shopping center and replacing it with high-end stores and restaurants housed in a modern all-glass structure.
    "We're very excited to unveil this," Chris Curry, the company's senior executive vice president for development, told a packed Community Board 1 meeting Thursday night. "We're really happy to be here after many months of work."
    Pending city and public approval, Curry hopes to begin construction in 2013 and open the airy new Pier 17 building in 2015.
    The proposal would gut the current mall at Fulton and South streets and build a new structure around the existing steel, said Gregg Pasquarelli, partner with SHoP Architects.

    Unlike the monolithic shopping center that's in place now, the base and mezzanine levels of the new building would feel more like a normal streetscape, with smaller individual structures housing shops and restaurants, separated by open-air pedestrian thoroughfares.
    Two large floors would stretch out above the small shops as a roof, each measuring 60,000 square feet and designed for big-name anchor tenants. Enormous glass garage-style doors could descend in bad weather to seal in the lower levels of the complex, offering protection from the elements but still opening up previously blocked views of the Brooklyn Bridge, Pasquarelli said.
    "One of the biggest criticisms of Pier 17 is that [as you look north toward the Brooklyn Bridge] you see the front of a three-story mall and you don't see the bridge," Pasquarelli said.
    "We felt it was very important to get view corridors through the building and open it up."

    On top of the building, a large public lawn would surround a new 600-to-700-seat concert hall, which would convert into an open-air band shell in the summer and could host larger audiences of up to 2,000 people, similar to the Boston Symphony Orchestra's Tanglewood Music Center, Pasquarelli said.
    "It would be a fantastic thing for Lower Manhattan to have a Tanglewood here, 60 feet in the air, right on the water," Pasquarelli said.
    The designs wowed CB1's Landmarks and Seaport/Civic Center committees, which voiced their unanimous support at Thursday night's meeting.
    "It's a fantastic makeover from what is there presently," said Vera Sung, a Seaport resident and CB1 member. "This is something I can't wait to go to. It's modern, it's fresh, it's very exciting."
    The project also has the backing of the Association for a Better New York and the Downtown Alliance business improvement district, representatives of those groups said.
    The redevelopment still has to clear several city approval hurdles, including the Landmarks Preservation Commission, because it sits partly in a historic district, and the Department of City Planning, because it requires zoning changes.
    In addition to a complete overhaul of the Pier 17 building, the plan also includes improvements to the surrounding open space.

    The architects envision a playful mixture of cobblestones and wooden decking, with "solar bricks" embedded in the ground, absorbing sunlight during the day and glowing at night. The space just north of the building, which now houses a beer garden, would feature plantings, picnic tables and glider seats like the ones typically found on a porch.
    "We really feel like this could be New York City's front porch," said Lisa Tziona Switkin, the landscape architect on the project, who also helped design the High Line.
    Unlike a much larger, failed redevelopment plan that General Growth Properties, the former owner of the Seaport, proposed several years ago, this new plan would not touch the historic Tin Building and New Market Building, which sit adjacent to Pier 17 along South Street.
    Several CB1 members raised concerns about the future plans for those sites — General Growth had proposed a condo-hotel tower there — but while Howard Hughes has the option to develop them in the future, Curry said the company does not plan to do so now.
    The designs will go before the city Landmarks Preservation Commission in April.

    Read more: http://www.dnainfo.com/20120309/down...#ixzz1of5CbX6P

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    NYC 2022: City of Glass

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    The only open-air area on the inside are the pedestrian thoroughfares. But a project at the seaport would make better sense if there were open air restaurants (weather permitting) & shopping areas, sort of like an inside out mall since they're going in that direction anyway. If you're going to have that much glass you may as well make it sliding so shops & restaurants can open up in good weather. Otherwise you make people feel like they're in a solarium, & you separate them from the biggest attraction: It's right next to the water!

    On top of the building, a large public lawn would surround a new 600-to-700-seat concert hall, which would convert into an open-air band shell in the summer and could host larger audiences of up to 2,000 people, similar to the Boston Symphony Orchestra's Tanglewood Music Center, Pasquarelli said.
    "It would be a fantastic thing for Lower Manhattan to have a Tanglewood here, 60 feet in the air, right on the water," Pasquarelli said.
    That's the best idea of this whole project.

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    Rolf would be proud of you Greg......and so am I.
    http://www.donnavictor.com/sources/i...ortfolios/4/48

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    Wow, finally it's about time that rat infested hulk came down and something new went up. THREE CHEERS!

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