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    A few printscreens from the website:









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    Wow, that tower sure is beautiful.

    But do I spy ... a PARKING LOT ??




    Suburbia just will not depart this place.



    ("Open Space" is what they mendaciously call it on the site plan.)

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    How long before this plan gets filed in the round bin?
    (you know the building looks way too interesting for present day activists to allow it to be built as is).
    From curbed:
    "The Times failed to mention massive standing-room-only opposition when the project was presented to the Seaport Committee of Community Board 1." Prepare the battleships!

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    Latest Article from the NY Times

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/18/ny...in&oref=slogin

    New Look Planned for Pier at South Street Seaport

    By DAVID W. DUNLAP
    Published: June 18, 2008

    Conceding the failure of the South Street Seaport pier as a “festival marketplace” — these days, it is not much more than a waterfront mall — its owners plan to replace it with a mixed-use project including a 42-story, 495-foot apartment and hotel tower, wrapped in a terra-cotta exoskeleton and rising from new pilings in the East River.

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    A rendering of part of the mixed-use development that would replace the current mall on Pier 17.


    Though other high-profile developments along the East River have foundered, most notably Frank Gehry’s Guggenheim Museum and Santiago Calatrava’s apartment tower of stacked cubes, the seaport plan speaks to the undiminished allure of riverfront sites and of developers’ faith that megaprojects can inject new life into, and create profit out of, areas where other visions have failed.

    The project also amounts to an abandonment of the original vision for Pier 17, which the Rouse Company opened to much fanfare in 1985. It now feels like a run-down, sometimes eerily unpopulated attraction to which its neighbors seldom venture. “We need to change what the South Street Seaport means in New Yorkers’ minds,” said Michael H. McNaughton, vice president of asset management at General Growth Properties, which bought the Rouse Company in 2004 and now controls the seaport retail space. “It is going to change dramatically from a place where people in tourist buses buy Yankee T-shirts and bonsai trees.”

    There are those who say that General Growth, and Rouse before it, brought on their own troubles at Pier 17. A lawsuit against the developers by 18 retail tenants — stores and restaurants — is now working its way through State Supreme Court in Manhattan. “We’re sort of in their way,” said a lawyer for the tenants, Richard B. Feldman, of Rosenberg Feldman Smith.

    The tenants have charged Rouse and General Growth with failing to market, promote and maintain the seaport; with allowing the Pier 17 building to fall into disrepair through lack of maintenance; and with cutting back on the security staff. “They were, it seems, deliberately allowing the seaport and Pier 17 to deteriorate in order to move out the tenants so as to have a clear field to redevelop the pier,” said John O’Kelly, the lawyer who represented tenants in earlier cases. Mr. McNaughton responded: “In this rent dispute, dating back to the days of Rouse, this group of tenants has had significant claims dismissed by the courts. We believe all of their claims are baseless.”

    General Growth, based in Chicago, would build the 42-story tower at the foot of Pier 17, on the site of two buildings once occupied by the Fulton Fish Market: the Tin Building, from the 19th century, which would be moved to the end of Pier 17, and a more recent market building, which would be razed. On Pier 17, in place of the three-level shopping center that now covers almost the entire pier, General Growth would build a cluster of two-story retail buildings and a four- and six-story hotel, wrapped in an esplanade and crisscrossed by a grid of walkways, many of the paths meeting at a plaza in the middle of the pier, in front of the restored and relocated Tin Building. “Even though we’re known as a mall company, this is unquestionably a site that is a candidate for de-malling,” Mr. McNaughton said. “With the Fulton Fish Market moving away, it gave us a wonderful opportunity for a blank canvas. When the project was built, there wasn’t a community to connect to. There is now.”

    It remains to be seen how receptive that community will be to a project that includes a tower over water, dominating many vistas of the East River waterfront. There are numerous regulatory hurdles for the project to clear at the federal, state and city levels. General Growth is attempting a Manhattan debut in an unsteady economy, with a complex project that would tax even the most experienced New York developer. Mr. McNaughton declined to estimate the cost.

    Deputy Mayor Robert C. Lieber said the Bloomberg administration strongly supported the project as an extension of its own efforts to revitalize Lower Manhattan, to link downtown’s East and West Sides along Fulton Street and to invigorate the underused East River waterfront. “The South Street Seaport represents a great location to accommodate and capture that kind of growth,” Mr. Lieber said. The city leases the pier and the inland portion of the South Street Seaport retail complex to General Growth.

    Allowing that there would be “a lot of conversations” and probably some modifications before the project could be approved by all the regulatory bodies involved, Mr. Lieber said, “We’re optimistic it’s going to get done.” The president of the Alliance for Downtown New York, Elizabeth H. Berger, praised the project for the views it would open from inland blocks, especially along Beekman Street; the creation of both open space and retail space; and the contemporary quality of the architecture — “not some Disneyfied version of what South Street may have looked like at one time.”

    Maggie Boepple, the president of the Lower Manhattan Cultural Council, applauded the creation of spaces that would be available for dance performances and other artistic programs. (She was also quick to note that a General Growth executive was about to join the council’s board.)
    Ms. Boepple allowed that the tower would be big and that building it directly over the river was not necessarily in the best interest of overall planning. But, she said: “From their perspective, they have to make money. From my perspective — in moving the Tin Building to the end of the pier, creating the piazzas and respecting the historic district, I think that mitigates that.”

    The project is designed by SHoP Architects, which is also working on the overall plan to redevelop the East River waterfront. Gregg Pasquarelli, a principal, said that approval would be needed for the tower, which would otherwise be limited by the city’s zoning rules to 350 feet. “We felt the important thing was to make it as slender as possible,” Mr. Pasquarelli said, adding that the tower would not block views of the Brooklyn Bridge for any current downtown residents.

    Mr. Pasquarelli said the design of the buildings was inspired by ships’ rigging, cables, wharves, dry docks, sails, masts and spars. The intent of the exoskeleton and of the alternating building volumes within it, he said, was to lessen the sense of bulk. Mr. McNaughton said the project would essentially take the bulk of the Pier 17 mall and stand it upright, thereby freeing a good deal of space on the pier and “giving it back to the community.”

    Scott M. Stringer, the Manhattan borough president, predicted a “very challenging land-use process.” He declined to take a position one way or another before hearing from constituents. But speaking of the seaport, he added, “I do think it’s time that we took something that is right out of the ’80s and bring it into the 21st century.”

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    This looks great. Architecturally it shares alot with Silvercup West.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ablarc View Post
    But do I spy ... a PARKING LOT ??

    ("Open Space" is what they mendaciously call it on the site plan.)
    is there an actual parking lot? i don't see it...

    re. the building, i do like how the exoskeleton pattern moves from diamonds to hexagons to circles, and fairly seamlessly. i'm really not sure if i like the design as a whole, including the 4- and 6-story hotel buildings. nonetheless, i'm sure this is too interesting and groundbreaking a design to get built, especially when compared with the ugly international-style highrises it would have as neighbors going down the water's edge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ablarc View Post
    Wow, that tower sure is beautiful.

    But do I spy ... a PARKING LOT ??
    You mean first picture just to the right of the building but just to the left of teh Brooklyn Bridge Arches? That sort of looks like a Plaza, although eerily empty in that rendering.

    Otherwise this is quite the interesting design. Which means that there will be NIMBYs crawling everywhere.

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    I guess I'm the only one here who hates it. I hope that it does not get approved.

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    I think it's fantastic. I'd say the chances of it getting past the nimby's unscathed is 10%. And at that point I'd put the chances of financing coming through and not having to dumb down the design at 10%.

    Come oooooooonnn 1%

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    That tower is beautiful, especially at night. I just hope they do a good job with the pedestrian areas. At ground level they should put in a zillion cafés with tables and flowers. It's the waterfront for crying out loud.

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    There was a nice rendering of the development looking from the south. What happened to it, did anyone get a chance to save it?

    As expected here are the Nimby's.

    New York Times
    June 18, 2008, 1:19 pm
    Seaport Plan Faces a Major Roadblock


    http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/20...jor-roadblock/

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    Quote Originally Posted by NYTimes
    Issue No. 1, Mr. Gerson said, was the height of the 42-story, 495-foot hotel and apartment tower that General Growth proposes to build at the foot of Pier 17. “Is the seaport area going to become another part of high-rise Manhattan?” Mr. Gerson asked.
    Is that a joke? No, really, I'd like to know.

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    QUESTIONs
    This rendering renders a lot of them...
    May be silly, but I'll shoot, guys:

    What is that new supertall to the right of the AIB (American International Building)? It seems that it just may be taller than the Freedom Tower considering its place in the skyline, but who knows. And Is the tower in front of the AIB a new 80SS plan? Does Beekman seem too big?



    Do you think the WTC, even with a 1,300'+ Tower 3, will look that small or did they mess up the WTC's scale, along with the scales of other towers, in the rendering?
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    The hell with the NIMBY's. This plan will vastly improve the current seaport while adding more amenities. The proposed tower would rise over the East River. I suppose none of these NIMBY's live in the river itself.

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    Looks good from what ive seen, why f*** it up with half ass attempts at showing the future skyline?

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