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    A 30 % increase in population is projected for California in the next 30 years -- with a population of 50 Million projected for 2050.

    One proposal for the California of tomorrow is High Speed Trains.



    http://www.cahighspeedrail.ca.gov/

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    You Tube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zD1QGNsRg74&eurl

    Los Angeles to San Francisco in Ten Minutes by Video

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    From our sibs in LA, news of a high-speed rail line. We've heard they have these in foreign countries like France. As befits the world's seventh largest economy, the Calfornia High Speed Rail Authority is beginning the environmental review process. And to give us a better picture of who they are and what they're doing, they've got an video on Youtube. Not on Myspace or LiveJournal (angst later.)

    So many questions. Will this run on existing Amtrack track? When you say 2.5 hours from LA to SF, do you really mean Oakland, or will some yet-unknown political strongman lube this thing into the Transbay Center? Are all those windmills in the background supposed to make us feel good and birds feel bad? Will there be a Car Train? Bar car?

    If you do the math, It will be San Francisco to Disneyland in three hours. Priceless.

    California HIgh-Speed Trains in Stunning 4D [Curbed LA]

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    Route Map --

    San Diego to Sacramento



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    Why can't New York do something like this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lofter1 View Post
    Route Map --

    San Diego to Sacramento



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    1. Cost for this thing will be astronomical
    2. Unless the trains will be able to reach over 200mph it's not worth it, Japaneses/Europeans have been using bullet trains going at 180mph for decades
    3. California is too much of a car culture
    4. Arnold won't do it because there's not enough money or public support
    5. Does not address many of California's transportation issues
    6. Not Maglev so marginally better then Acela trains which are a joke
    7. Too late, they should have started it in 1996 when the costs were still controllable

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    Quote Originally Posted by Strattonport View Post
    Why can't New York do something like this?
    I hope California can pull this off.

    Despite California's image a gas-guzzling, car oriented society, it has the lowest per-capita energy use of any state. Since the early 70s, U.S, energy use per-capital has increased 50%, but California's has remained constant.

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    ^ Every state has environmental regulations --many of them idiotic-- but California has the smart variety.

    Southern California may be ghastly, but the rest of the state is wonderfully unspoiled compared with most U.S. states --like a European country. There are thousands of square miles of preserved scenic beauty and wilderness, you can drive for hundreds of miles on the coast highway without seeing a billboard or a parking lot, and there are such diverse and interesting municipalities as San Francisco, Carmel, Berkeley, Bolinas, Mendocino, Santa Barbara... My son remarked, "It's like a foreign country."

    Makes me realize how wretchedly wasted most of this country is.

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    I am wondering if they can get the rail any closer to the fault line!!!

    That is silly really, Japan has the same worries and a MUCH higher population density and they got these lines through, we should be able to do the same.

    But the key factors here are money and time. How much and how long will it take?

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    Actually the major fault line (San Andreas) runs much closer to the coast, which could create a problem near SD, LA and SF -- although the state is littered with fault lines ...




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    I was looking at the mountain ranges and I thought that some of them defined fault zones after the plains....

    The Sierra Nevada (Beer Fault) might prove to be more of a problem....

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    While there are lots of earthquakes in the area of the Sierra Nevada fault line (which is well east of the planned rail route) the real problem over that way might prove to be volcanic activity ...

    Long Valley Volcano

    A giant's malaise - earthquakes trigger in dormant California volcano





    http://www.lpi.usra.edu/education/fi...ng_valley.html

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    Wink Why does the map show Hayward covered in a chain link fence?

    Quote Originally Posted by lofter1 View Post
    Route Map --

    San Diego to Sacramento



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    If you've ever been to Hayward ^ it makes complete sense

    Actually it's because from the Central Valley to the Bay Area (the blue chain link fence zone) there are a number of possible train routes; a couple of them are shown on these 3-D animation vids over at youtube:

    California High-Speed Trains: Altamont Pass

    California High-Speed Trains: Pacheco Pass

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    Funny how it is pretty strait through much of its run (including SF), but when it gets to SoCal, it goes all squirrely......

    NIMBY or "We need a station here!!!"?

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    California's finances are in terrible shape right now. There's no way they will build such an expensive project in the foreseeable future.

    http://www.palisadespost.com/content...?Story_ID=3786

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    I don't listen to this nay-saying... don't worry, it will get done someday, just have some faith man..

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