So...if it can't taper or do ANYTHING interesting at the top that would rob a few feet of precious floor space...can somebody please work up the imagination to at least illuminate SOMETHING way up there, for the sake of the skyline at night? What a colossal waste.
They probably didn't make sense then either, you know. The buildings with spires were totally penis waving contests (ala Chrysler vs. 40 Wall). Many of the buildings then had flat tops too, including 1 Wall and 20 Exchange Place. Everyone is correct that Dubai is totally the spot for masculine power plays.
Moreover, notwithstanding the crap, NY has built more great towers in the past ten years than any other first-world city (e.g., 8 Spruce, Hearst, BofA, Bear Stearns, etc.) and more are on the way (e.g., 2WTC, BIG's pyramid, etc.). This site demanded greatness, and CIM did not deliver. Fortunately, other developers will.
I'm let down, as this is in my old neighborhood. I had hoped for a landmark which this iconic site warranted. You, by contrast, have no vested interest in NY. It seems that the sole purpose of your posts is to render expressions of schadenfreude and to compare NY to developing cities like Dubai and Shanghai, both of which build primarily mierda.
Last edited by londonlawyer; October 31st, 2011 at 11:11 PM.
You guys are nuts! 99.9999% of the world's cities would die for something like this. Assuming the cladding is quality you have something great coming here.
Does this rendering that was posted earlier still apply? :
If it does, then I'm seeing a glass tower encased in a scaffolding... a scaffolding made up of square forms (note the edge of the tower at the right where you can see how the scaffolding is distanced from the tower).
It's unusual and looks very very good.
Even without the snazzy 3-D effect of the "scaffolding", a tall slim tower with good skin, windowed on all four sides could be a quite beauty (although no substitute for what has been lost with the Drake)
It's in the details....and the latest rendering (that was posted after this one) is quite vague.
Last edited by Fabrizio; November 2nd, 2011 at 05:36 PM.
Also, from what you said about me, I'm happy you are not happy with this tower. I like it, but you want the moon on every corner. Men who want the moon are never happy.
Last edited by futurecity; November 4th, 2011 at 08:59 AM.
^ This is Park and 57th. Among the most prestigious addresses in the world. People who love the city should demand greatness here.
demand? What do you think you are? There are kids starving in Somalia right now and NY is getting a massive new tower. Life isn't perfect. People who love NY must appreciate what they are getting and stop being so arrogant.
Many of NYCs greatest buildings were built during the Depression.
But never mind... "There-are-kids-starving-in-Somalia-right-now" .
I'm pretty sure you're talking about the Empire State Building. Yes, they pushed it's construction through during the depression, almost as something of a public works project. It's kind of telling though, that, other than being a tourist attraction, it's really been something of a white elephant.
I could be talking about the Empire State, Rockefeller Center, the Chrysler, The McGraw Hill, the General Electric Building, 1 Grand Central, the Museum of Modern Art, 500 5th, the American International, 1 Wall, 120 Wall, 60 Hudson, the Century Apartments, the Eldorado, the SanRemo, the St Moritz, The Essex House, The Pierre, The friggin' Waldorf, London Terrace, the Met Life (Northern Building), the StarrettLehigh.... shall I go on?
Last edited by Fabrizio; November 4th, 2011 at 12:01 PM.
Although an exoskeleton separated from the facade by some kind of space would certainly be interesting, unfortunately I doubt that's the actual plan. If they're talking about penny pinching, that would never fly. Other renderings do not seem to suggest such a design. Hopefully we'll see a facade that does have some kind of beautiful depth and articulation, but I won't hold my breath.
Deeply recessed window bays like that look great: particularly on tall narrow buildings. If you like the NYU silver towers, you will appreciate this design. Also, views from the interior will have the I.M. Pei "eyebrow" effect - which, if you have seen it, is amazing!
Excellent Design ,,,,