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    Quote Originally Posted by oquatanginwan View Post
    The article on Macklowe in this weekend's Metropolitan section of the Times makes it even clearer that this project is basically Macklowe's attempt at making up for his disappointment at losing the GM Building and the Apple Store.
    Sounds highly unlikely as he owned the 432 Park site before he lost the GM Building.

    And the buildings are nothing alike. One office, the other residential, and not similar in terms of design.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ASchwarz View Post
    Sounds highly unlikely as he owned the 432 Park site before he lost the GM Building.

    And the buildings are nothing alike. One office, the other residential, and not similar in terms of design.
    Macklowe only owned a fraction of the site before 2011 (when CIM bailed him out), and what he did own was in legal limbo since the real estate bust. He lost the GM building in 2008, was still buying several properties on the construction site in 2011, and didn't have an architect or design until 2011. He also kept touting 432 as his comeback and kept comparing it to the iconic Apple glass cube (which wasn't even his idea, but Jobs's).

    Both the GM building and 432 Park Avenue have a retail component in a glass cube at the bases of white masonry towers. There are two simple reasons for the difference in function: the residential market is much hotter and the footprint is too small to accommodate a modern office building.

    432 is also almost exactly twice as tall as the GM building. This is Macklowe's Moby Dick. And everyone in NYC is going to suffer for his obsession.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oquatanginwan View Post
    432 is also almost exactly twice as tall as the GM building.
    Should we measure that in pyramid-inches? It might add more significance.

    And everyone in NYC is going to suffer for his obsession.
    It isn't a good idea to speak for anyone but yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZippyTheChimp View Post
    Should we measure that in pyramid-inches? It might add more significance.

    It isn't a good idea to speak for anyone but yourself.
    If there was some complicated symbolism behind the height relationship between GM and 432 you could mock the significance, but going double on something is plain and obvious--especially to the eyes. It helps that most of the renderings show 432 in relation to GM. They know what their client wants.

    You're right about not speaking for others, because the people inside 432 will benefit from not having to see it outside their window. But they won't be in NYC except for a few days out of the year anyway.

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    What gave you the idea that I was talking about the people inside 432; who cares? For that matter, who cares about Macklowe?

    I know misery loves company, but the fact is that some people will like this building, and some won't. The majority won't give a damn.

    That Macklowe "doubled-up" on the GM building, which will cause suffering among the city's population, is hyperbole.

    Oh the humanity.

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    We each have our own pet peeves.

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    Have you joined the fair sex?

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    Not quite haha.

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    Rotflmao!
    hope you have a speedy 100% recovery!!

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    What a POS! This, and 225 W 57th, are two colossal pieces of s.h.I.t.!

    Vinoly, CIM, and Schmucklowe should be banned from NY, as should Gershon Switazski and SG.


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    Lol. Really Laughed Out Loud, at the photo and LL's reaction.

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