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  1. #196


    I've never heard so much uninformed nonsense, I shouldn't be surprised it is the US media.

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    Foxnews ratings are beating everyone. That is where a good chunk of Americans are getting their "news".


    This is interesting to click through, "We watch FOX so you don't have to"

    Scroll down and watch the video: "Fox News Interrupts Obama Town Hall To Spin And Distort It And Complain Not Enough "Screaming And Yelling"

    Last edited by Fabrizio; August 13th, 2009 at 09:01 PM.

  3. #198


    Foxnews ratings are beating everyone. That is where a good chunk of Americans are getting their "news".
    I think that's more fox skews bunk...
    most Americans watch their news at 6:30- when the real
    news is on- not between 8-11 (when most Americans are watching mind rotting reality shows).

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    Disgruntled Optimist lofter1's Avatar
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    Which reminds me ... I need to log off here so I can go catch Sheree, Nene & Kim slug it out on "The Real Housewives of Atlanta"

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    Quote Originally Posted by scumonkey
    I think that's more fox skews bunk...
    most Americans watch their news at 6:30- when the real
    news is on- not between 8-11 (when most Americans are watching mind rotting reality shows).
    Is Man Vs. Wild, on Discovery, considered "mind rotting".

  6. #201

    Default This just in:

    I posted earlier about a kidney stone...

    OK, a small dumb example, but still it's just ...nice.

    It's a heavy-duty holiday weekend here... and I am stuck in town, I have to work. This afternoon I started to have a tight feeling in my lower back. The pain progressed and I knew it was kidney stone. I had an attack a few weeks ago but it's been years since I had problems. It's hereditary... my brother suffers as well. The pain got so intense I walked over to a neighborhood emergency clinic. I just needed a shot of pain killer until I passed this thing... that's usually enough. It was late and they told me they were closing and that the nurses had already left. They told me to go to the emergency ward of the hospital... they would accompany me there. A fellow drove me there in a clinic car. At the emergency ward they were expecting me (they had been notified), no waiting. I was given a shot, as well as a vail of pain killer to take later if I needed to. The fellow who took me there waited for me and drove me home. And BTW... they asked for no ID, no signature, nothing. Cost: zero.

    Last edited by Fabrizio; August 16th, 2009 at 05:30 PM.

  7. #202

    Default follow up?

    Just wondering if you passed the stone yet. Also curious as to what is in a "vial of painkiller". It almost sounds medieval.

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    Probably a large hammer with a doctors note on it.

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    'Smash area of pain repeatedly with hammer.'

  10. #205


    That might help release the "ill humours"

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    Seriously though, this is the potion they gave me:

    (No, it's not inserted)

  12. #207


    Fabrizio- wouldn't that situation encourage abuse by those looking to get painkillers for recreational use? No id necessary, is that really a good thing? What would be stopping a teenager from going in there everyday to get one?

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    Actually, today I asked a friend about that... he says by law the visit must be registered. But this is not a big city, I look like a fine upstanding citizen, and I was probably recognized by someone or at least looked familiar. Think of the environment more as small-town America 1955. Anyway, ignoring the law to avoid beaurocracy is common here.

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    Home truths about rationing healthcare
    By Philip Stephens

    Financial Times

    Published: August 17 2009 19:53 | Last updated: August 17 2009 19:53

    The brouhaha in the US about healthcare has generated in Britain bemusement and irritation. The British are not shy of complaining about the National Health Service. But to swap free-at-the-point-of-delivery healthcare for the US private insurance system would beggar belief. As David Cameron’s Conservatives know to their cost, to hint at privatisation is to invite political immolation.

    Beneath the transatlantic waves lies an awkward truth; one that politicians of all shapes and sizes – conservative and progressive, European and American – would prefer not to discuss. Healthcare is rationed everywhere.

    Some countries, of course, choose to spend more on health than others, just as they set different priorities for education or defence. Some prefer direct state provision, others more plural arrangements – compare France’s devolved not-for-profit insurance with Britain’s monolithic NHS. But all the models, the American included, share one characteristic. They ration access, while pretending otherwise. In Britain, the state imposes the limits; in the US the market does much the same job. What separates them are questions of efficiency and equity.

    The NHS stands condemned by US President Barack Obama’s opponents as an instrument of state-sponsored euthanasia. Its socialised medicine, Americans are asked to believe, would have deprived, on grounds of age, Senator Edward Kennedy of treatment for a brain tumour.

    Such charges are palpable nonsense, serving only to unite British politicians in defence of the distinctly imperfect NHS. The Tories have been put on the defensive. Mr Cameron has spent years insisting his party cherishes the NHS. Now one or two discordant Tory voices are heard cheering on Republican attacks on Mr Obama’s proposals.

    Mr Cameron’s discomfort will not deter Republicans. As my colleague Edward Luce has written in these pages, US conservatives sense a chance to re-ignite America’s culture wars. Defeating health reform might derail the Obama presidency. Facts cannot be allowed to get in the way of such political calculation.

    European criticism of the US model tends to focus on its inequities – the 40m-plus uninsured Americans denied access to anything but emergency care. The more startling fact is the truly enormous cost.

    I say “US model”; in reality, there are two. How many of Mr Obama’s critics, I wonder, realise that the 8 per cent of national income US taxpayers stump up for Medicare and Medicaid is only a fraction less than the proportion of its income that Britain spends on the entire NHS? By this measure, US healthcare is as “socialised” as any in Europe.

    Overall, the 16 per cent of national income the US pours into health is nearly twice the 8.9 per cent average of members of the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development. In per capita terms, as the OECD’s excellent Health Data 2009 shows, the gulf is wider. US spending was nearly $7,300 per head in 2007, against the OECD’s rich country average of just under $3,000.

    What those Americans lucky enough to have top-flight private insurance get for this is care unmatched in terms of technological capabilities and expertise. The US leads the way in medical and pharmaceutical research. Facilities are modern, treatment is prompt.

    The rationing is applied by the exclusions imposed by employers and insurance companies on all but the most expensive policies and, most obviously, by the fact that many working Americans simply cannot afford any insurance. To say everyone can get emergency care is little comfort to the diabetic or cancer sufferers denied ongoing care.

    Yet all this money has failed to improve overall health outcomes. Life expectancy for Americans is a year below the rich country average of 79, while infant mortality is well above the average. Britain just beats the average on both scores.

    True, there are other social and cultural factors to be taken into account. But that the world’s richest country can spend so much and still lag so far behind the best is an extraordinary indictment. On present trends, this hopelessly inefficient system will soon consume 20 per cent of national income, making it as unaffordable as it is inequitable. The challenge for all US politicians is surely to devise a system that spends less more efficiently and fairly.

    Britain has a different problem. It needs to spend more. A sharp increase in NHS resources in recent years has eased the queues. But care is still restricted by waiting times or limited availability of some treatments. Given its demographics, Britain will need to devote a rising share of its income to health – at a time when a burgeoning government deficit requires public spending restraint. One way or another, patients are going to be asked to contribute directly to their care.

    At least, though, the NHS is relatively efficient. Britain gets a lot more bang for its buck than the US. Rationing will always be unavoidable – on both sides of the Atlantic. And it is foolish to argue that state-run systems are always the most effective. But Mr Obama’s critics are throwing stones from a glass house in which the panes are already broken.

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