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    Michael Moore's 'Sicko' 9/11 stunt


    April 16, 2007

    The production company of filmmaker Michael Moore has taken ill Ground Zero workers to Cuba to highlight the US's inferior health-care system.

    The stunt was filmed as part of the controversial director's latest documentary, Sicko, which attacks American drug companies and health organisations.

    Moore also wanted to highlight that health care in the communist country is free. Cuban doctors are also said to have developed new techniques for treating lung cancer and other respiratory illnesses.

    The movie, which took two years to make, and may be shown at this year's Cannes Film Festival, takes aim at the medical care provided to those who worked on the toxic World Trade Centre debris pile.

    Health studies have shown that thousands of workers who laboured at Ground Zero have been plagued by chronic health issues.

    At one hospital alone, 70 per cent of workers tested had respiratory problems while or after working at the crash site.

    One of the applicants contacted to take part on the trip was Michael McCormack, a disabled medic who found an American flag at Ground Zero that once flew atop the Twin Towers.

    McCormack said: "What he [Moore] wanted to do is shove it up George W's rear end that 9/11 heroes had to go to a communist country to get adequate health care."

    John Feal, who runs the Fealgood Foundation to help raise money for the Ground Zero workers was approached by Moore to find candidates for the trip.

    He called the visit a success saying: "From what I heard through the grapevine, those people that went are utterly happy."

    http://www.itv.com/news/c197fdcc4c52...a4c8fad2d.html


    Michael Moore Faces U.S. Treasury Probe

    May 10, 2007


    Academy Award-winning filmmaker Michael Moore is under investigation by the U.S. Treasury Department for taking ailing Sept. 11 rescue workers to Cuba for a segment in his upcoming health-care documentary "Sicko," The Associated Press has learned.

    The investigation provides another contentious lead-in for a provocative film by Moore, a fierce critic of President Bush. In the past, Moore's adversaries have fanned publicity that helped the filmmaker create a new brand of opinionated blockbuster documentary.


    "Sicko" promises to take the health-care industry to task the way Moore confronted America's passion for guns in "Bowling for Columbine" and skewered Bush over his handling of Sept. 11 in "Fahrenheit 9/11."


    The Treasury Department's Office of Foreign Assets Control notified Moore in a letter dated May 2 that it was conducting a civil investigation for possible violations of the U.S. trade embargo restricting travel to Cuba. A copy of the letter was obtained Tuesday by the AP.


    "This office has no record that a specific license was issued authorizing you to engage in travel-related transactions involving Cuba," Dale Thompson, OFAC chief of general investigations and field operations, wrote in the letter to Moore.


    In February, Moore took about 10 ailing workers from the Ground Zero rescue effort in Manhattan for treatment in Cuba, said a person working with the filmmaker on the release of "Sicko." The person requested anonymity because Moore's attorneys had not yet determined how to respond.


    Moore, who scolded Bush over the Iraq war during the 2003 Oscar telecast, received the letter Monday, the person said. "Sicko" premieres May 19 at the Cannes Film Festival and debuts in U.S. theaters June 29.


    Moore declined to comment, said spokeswoman Lisa Cohen.


    After receiving the letter, Moore arranged to place a copy of the film in a "safe house" outside the country to protect it from government interference, said the person working on the release of the film.


    Treasury officials declined to answer questions about the letter. "We don't comment on enforcement actions," said department spokeswoman Molly Millerwise.


    The letter noted that Moore applied Oct. 12, 2006, for permission to go to Cuba "but no determination had been made by OFAC." Moore sought permission to travel there under a provision for full-time journalists, the letter said.


    According to the letter, Moore was given 20 business days to provide OFAC with such information as the date of travel and point of departure; the reason for the Cuba trip and his itinerary there; and the names and addresses of those who accompanied him, along with their reasons for going.


    Potential penalties for violating the embargo were not indicated. In 2003, the New York Yankees paid the government $75,000 to settle a dispute that it conducted business in Cuba in violation of the embargo. No specifics were released about that case.

    "Sicko" is Moore's followup to 2004's "Fahrenheit 9/11," a $100 million hit criticizing the Bush administration over Sept. 11. Moore's "Bowling for Columbine" won the 2002 Oscar for best documentary.

    A dissection of the U.S. health-care system, "Sicko" was inspired by a segment on Moore's TV show "The Awful Truth," in which he staged a mock funeral outside a health-maintenance organization that had declined a pancreas transplant for a diabetic man. The HMO later relented.


    At last September's Toronto International Film Festival, Moore previewed footage shot for "Sicko," presenting stories of personal health-care nightmares. One scene showed a woman who was denied payment for an ambulance ride after a head-on collision because it was not preapproved.


    Moore's opponents have accused him of distorting the facts, and his Cuba trip provoked criticism from conservatives including former Republican Sen. Fred Thompson, who assailed the filmmaker in a blog at National Review Online.


    "I have no expectation that Moore is going to tell the truth about Cuba or health care," wrote Thompson, the subject of speculation about a possible presidential run. "I defend his right to do what he does, but Moore's talent for clever falsehoods has been too well documented."


    The timing of the investigation is reminiscent of the firestorm that preceded the Cannes debut of "Fahrenheit 9/11," which won the festival's top prize in 2004. The Walt Disney Co. refused to let subsidiary Miramax release the film because of its political content, prompting Miramax bosses Harvey and Bob Weinstein to release "Fahrenheit 9/11" on their own.


    The Weinsteins later left Miramax to form the Weinstein Co., which is releasing "Sicko." They declined to comment on the Treasury investigation, said company spokeswoman Sarah Levinson Rothman.


    http://movies.yahoo.com/mv/news/ap/2...80002000p.html

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    Not quite on the same scale, but approx two weeks ago, I caught the flu or something on a flight over to Hong Kong. Spent 2 days in the hotel hospital bed with a fever etc.. On the third day I decided to do something about it so I went to an 'out patient' facility in a local Hong Kong hospital .

    The service was extremly professional and efficent. Very clean (immaculate actually) and modern, actually upscale in appearance. Much Much nicer than any emergency room or drop-in clinic I have EVER been to before, not at all like the institutionalized faclity you might expect it to be. In fact it was even nicer than my Drs' UES office.

    They took my information and looked at my passport (and btw insurance info was not even asked for) at check in. 5 mins later, i was sent to a nurses station where they did my vitals. Nurse typed the results into a computer. 5 mins after that i saw a doctor. He reviewed the vitals, did a quick 15-20 minute exam, and asked the necessary questions. He than gave me a clinical diagnosis, and typed a perscription into a computer. From there I sent to the perscription / check out station, where where I picked up an antibiotic, cough medicine, and fever reducer. Cost for the visit and the drugs combned was something like $30.00 . Insurance was not required and the whole visit took maybe 45 minutes. No appointment.

    We really have been conditioned to settle for second rate healthcare at premium prices here in the states.
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    All I can say is keep your butt out of Beth Israel if at all possible ...

    Besides the building being filthy (literally) many of the residents (now nearing the end of their first year as practicing physicians) seem clueless.

    The management of care at Beth Israel is embarassing. And in some cases threatening to the health and well-being of patients.

    If I never have to step foot in that place again it will be too soon

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    Eddhead:

    The questions I'm about to ask are not rhetorical. I know very little about the quality of Hong Kong's health care, and I feel ignorant, and I'm not pre-judging.

    Is it possible that you got excellent treatment in Hong Kong because:
    - You're an American?
    - In some other way, you may have been perceived to have more money or influence than most Chinese citizens?

    If you happen to be male: do you think you would have gotten the same quality treatment if you were female?

    If you happen to be white or Chinese-American: do you think you would have gotten the same quality treatment if you were of another race?

    You have publicly posted that you're 48; do you think you would have gotten the same quality treatment if you were much older or much younger?

    If you happened to be in Hong Kong's "epicenter": what is the quality of health care in other areas?

    What would have been the quality of your health care if you had been diagnosed with the avian flu?


    Ed, I'd like to believe that the answers to these questions point to a superior health care system. I feel that the only way future White House administrations can effectively reform America's health care system is if they study the large-scale, "real-life" models that work. The idea that Hong Kong could be one of the models is tantalizing.

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    @ Rapunzel

    Good questions actually.

    The hospital I visited was in Happy Valley, not far from Time Square. The mix of residential to commercial property is fairly even.. maybe leaning a bit more toward the residential side, (think midtown east of 3rd) so my sense is that my experience is indicative of the what you can expect throughout HK. I would not make the same assumption re: the mainland.

    I appeared to be the only non-asian in the waiting area, and my recollection is that the mix of men to women was about even . I believe the other clients/patients were treated similarly well. There were probably about 6-9 drs on duty, which was definetly a factor. I was also told by the hotel coincierge that medical service in HK was excellent compartively speaking.

    To illustrate how attentive they were, after my vitals were checked my g/f left to use the restroom. By the time she got back, I was already in an examination room getting my consultation. She had no idea where I was.

    By the way I am 48 but as Ali would say, I am still pretty . Seriously, I do not think age was a factor at all.

    I attribute much of what I consider to be the excellent care I received to be the result of what I can only label as efficent business processes . No paper work to fill out upon entry. No checking for insurance. Seperate nurse station for triage and prepratory treatment such as taking vitals. Each Dr. had his/her own room, and did not have to go from one to the other. More than enough Drs. on staff to handle the patients. One stop shopping for care and medication. Interoperable and connected information systems. The envoirnment is completely paperless. And remarkably clean as well as visually appealing.

    When I first entered they asked me questions about other countries I had visited. They asked me again at the nurses station. My best guess is that they were concerned about Avian Flu.

    Reflecting back, the questions I have with respect to the healthcare system in HK would be more along the lines of what type of treatment would I have received under more life threatening circumstances similar to what a couple of our more prominent members have recently experienced? How expert are their resources in the area of true time critical emergency treatment? How quickly do they respond? Do they have sufficent equipment, specialists, expertise, etc.. I do not know the answer to those questions (thankfully)... have no way of knowing one way or the other.

    But I will point out that although life threatening and critical care treatments rightfully receive receive the lion share of our attention, in reality they constitute relatively low percentages of time in terms of the vists we make to care facilities. We suck at the routine and the maintenance stuff here in the US. Try waking up in the morning feeling poorly and getting same day treatment with a Dr in NYC. Without an appt. Good luck.

    We can learn something from these people.


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    I think the main reason it worked so well there was because teh system was set up for such a small base. Not that that is the only reason it is good, but probably the biggest reason it does not suffer from Insurance-itis or similar Welfare ailments.

    Also, the attitude there may be quite different. People may not see a free medical exam as a reason to go to the emergency room for everything. If we just implimented a system like that here I guarantee that people would flood it looking for something they think they are entitled to, when they do not really need it (thus forcing others out that may really need it).


    I think we need to study that system and see how it can be applied to one that may be easier to handle. Hawaii would probably be a good isolated test bed for this (seeing how a simple visit to outpatient cost us over $70 plus subscription just to have a doctor say "yes, you have XXX". 2 hours waiting for a 5 minute diagnosis. GREAT system!

    Anyway, with someplace isolated like HI, we could impliment the plan and see how it ran. Not many people would fly to HI just to get their appendix removed.....

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    ^^
    Fair points. From a logistical perspective, HK is more of a city than a country. And like I said, I have no idea how the rest of PRC works.

    I think in the US we would need something with Federal OVersight and budget, and local govt administration.

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    The point is that we have fundamental problems with access in our health care system and Moore's movie is going to provoke a loud and heated debate about one of our most critical domestic issues. I applaud it. Who else is going to relentlessly dig up the dirt on these HMO sleazebags and the politicians in bed with them, the American corporate media? HAH! That'll be the day.

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    The New York Times
    May 22, 2007

    Film Offers New Talking Points in Health Care Debate


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    Michael Moore’s documentary “Sicko” had its first showing at the Cannes Film Festival on Saturday
    and received many favorable reviews. It will be released in the United States on June 29.


    By MILT FREUDENHEIM and LIZA KLAUSSMANN
    Correction Appended

    Few of them may become Michael Moore fans. But some insurance industry officials and health policy experts acknowledged yesterday that the film documentary “Sicko,” Mr. Moore’s indictment of health care in this country, taps into widespread public concern that the system does not work for millions of Americans.

    The movie, which had its first showing at the Cannes Film Festival on Saturday and received many favorable reviews, presents a series of heart-rending anecdotes meant to illustrate systemic failures and foul-ups under the nation’s insurance industry — even if many of the major pieces of evidence are ones that have been widely reported elsewhere and in some cases date back 20 years.

    The film, which will be released in this country on June 29 after a well-calculated publicity campaign by Mr. Moore, is arriving as health care has become the leading domestic policy concern in many national polls, second only to the Iraq war. Although they have not had a chance to see the film yet, many American health care and insurance industry experts have been tracking it intently, based on media reports.

    Without commenting on the movie’s central criticisms of the insurance system, the head of America’s Health Insurance Plans, a trade group in Washington, suggested that discussion of the movie could advance the industry’s interest in obtaining more government money for people who do not have insurance.

    “If the movie results in members of Congress and governors putting this issue squarely on the table as the No. 1 priority, we will be part of that discussion and will welcome it,” said Karen Ignagni, president of the health plans group.

    Uwe E. Reinhardt, a health economist at Princeton, said that based on reviews, the movie is “exaggerated, biting, unfair,” but he added that a number of recent books and reports by academic experts had been at least as critical.

    He cited “Redefining Health Care,” a book by Michael E. Porter, a Harvard Business School professor, and Elizabeth Teisberg, an associate professor at the Darden School of Business at the University of Virginia, along with “Who Killed Health Care?” by Regina Herzlinger, also at the Harvard Business School.

    “My point is we are on the verge of a populist reaction to the health system,” Professor Reinhardt said. “The American people are on the point of being fed up.”

    Perhaps not coincidentally on Sunday, “60 Minutes,” the CBS television magazine show, took up a scandal that is part of Mr. Moore’s film — and has been well chronicled in The Los Angeles Times — about the abandonment by Los Angeles hospitals of homeless patients after they have received medical treatment.

    Last week, Kaiser Permanente, the nation’s largest nonprofit health insurer, settled criminal and civil lawsuits, agreeing to establish new rules for discharging such patients, and to pay $55,000 in fines and to cover the city attorney’s investigative costs. Kaiser will also contribute $500,000 to help the homeless with follow-up care and other services.

    Another scene in “Sicko” shows a clip of Congressional testimony given in 1996 by Dr. Linda Peeno, a former medical reviewer for the health insurer Humana, who said that her job was to save the company money. “I denied a man a necessary operation,” she testified, referring to a ruling she had made in 1987. Ms. Peeno’s testimony has been widely recounted over the years.

    A Humana spokesman, Thomas Noland, said that the cased cited by Dr. Peeno involved whether a man in a hospital in Las Vegas had coverage that would pay for a heart transplant. Dr. Peeno had said “correctly that it did not cover heart transplants,” Mr. Noland said.

    Stuart Altman, a health policy expert at Brandeis University, acknowledged that accounts of insurance companies denying care “make people furious.” But he questioned whether “Sicko,” even if it became a box-office hit, would have any true impact on health care policy.

    “Most Americans never see these problems,” said Professor Altman, who is dean of the Heller Graduate School for Social Policy and Management at Brandeis. “Most are reasonably healthy to begin with,” he said. “And even those that have some problems have this strong fear that they would be the loser” in a different system, run by the government, he said.

    “They hate the system — it’s too expensive — but we have been hearing about these things for 35 years,” Professor Altman said. “Unless we have a meltdown which affects the middle class — that is nowhere near happening — we will not be willing to fundamentally restructure the system.”

    Meanwhile, in Cannes yesterday Mr. Moore discussed the next steps for “Sicko” in a meeting of nearly a dozen people. Participants included Harvey Weinstein, the movie executive whose company financed the film and will market and help distribute it, and Chris Lehane, a former political adviser in the Clinton White House who is serving as the movie’s spokesman.

    To ride the Cannes momentum ahead of the film’s United States release, the team plans to start running newspaper advertisements superimposing health insurer logos on tombstones and to use the michaelmoore.com Web to solicit whistle-blowers from the ranks of insurance company employees.

    In a half-joking conversation, it emerged that Mr. Weinstein, a supporter of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton, had tried to persuade Mr. Moore to revise the film’s depiction of Mrs. Clinton.

    The early part of the film unrolls as a virtual love letter to Mrs. Clinton, chronicling her efforts as first lady to stage an overhaul of the health care system. But the tone changes as the film proceeds, lumping her among the members of Congress who, “Sicko” contends, are financially beholden to insurers.

    Mr. Weinstein “just wanted me to leave in the bit where she was young and sexy,” said Mr. Moore, referring to the scenes of Mrs. Clinton as first lady, making clear that he had declined to make the cuts.

    “I just felt the film was over, you know, by about 30 seconds,” Mr. Weinstein said, laughing. “It’s not because I support her.”

    The conversation turned to whether Mr. Moore planned to back any of the current proposals for health care reform, or whether he would come up with his own plan. Some suggested that he stick to his position that the insurance companies be done away with, replaced by national universal health care system.

    “Let’s be honest, no one’s going to support dismantling the private health care system,” Mr. Moore replied. “I don’t think the insurance companies are just going to give up the profit motivation.”
    Liza Klaussmann reported from Cannes, France.

    Correction: May 24, 2007
    An article in Business Day on Tuesday about the health care industry’s perception of Michael Moore’s new movie, “Sicko,” misstated the educational affiliation of Elizabeth Teisberg, the co-author of a recent book, “Redefining Health Care.” She is an associate professor at the Darden School of Business at the University of Virginia, not an economist at Stanford University.

    Copyright 2007 The New York Times Company

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/22/bu...a/22react.html

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    “Unless we have a meltdown which affects the middle class — that is nowhere near happening — we will not be willing to fundamentally restructure the system.”
    Middle class people are increasingly having problems obtaining coverage. Many middle class jobs that used to provide health insurance are no longer doing so, or are requiring employees to make substantial out of pocket contributions. More and more people are having to pay big premiums every month, especially when trying to secure private coverage, and upwards of $500 a month for basic coverage is not something a middle class person ignores. Many of my colleagues working in creative fields don't even have any coverage! And they're mad about it. I think to suggest that middle class people aren't concerned enough to do anything yet is debatable. At the very least, many may be influenced by the issue when deciding who to vote for.

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    Coverage is one thing, but the cost for doing something as simple as seeinga physician is getting bad.

    The prices keep getting higher as teh companyes pay teh doctors less through insurance.

    If I pay a doctor $75 for a physical, the insurance company should not be able to get away with paying him $45 to keep their profit margins.

    Also, seeing how less and less people are able to afford insurance, it always amazes me when a "service" industry never suffers financial losses, or even slowdowns during a recession.

    Our system needs to be reworked. Socialized medicine would never work on our scale, but this buyout of legislation by private insurance is just too much.

    There is only so much BGH you can stick a cow with before it dies. The middle class is depressingly similar in some ways.

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    Thumbs down System punishes working people...

    It is becoming increasingly difficult to work for your money..Soon it will just about pay to quit your job and go on welfare ...

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    Unhappy Touche~ MC

    I know so many people who have done that ^^^.

    They often continue to work, only OTB.

    It's the old "Rewarding A, while hoping for B."

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    The New York Times
    June 22, 2007

    MOVIE REVIEW | 'SICKO'

    Open Wide and Say ‘Shame’

    By A. O. SCOTT

    It has become a journalistic cliché and therefore an inevitable part of the prerelease discussion of “Sicko” to refer to Michael Moore as a controversial, polarizing figure. While that description is not necessarily wrong, it strikes me as self-fulfilling (since the controversy usually originates in media reports on how controversial Mr. Moore is) and trivial.

    Any filmmaker, politically outspoken or not, whose work is worth discussing will be argued about. But in Mr. Moore’s case the arguments are more often about him than about the subjects of his movies.

    Some of this is undoubtedly his fault, or at least a byproduct of his style.

    His regular-guy, happy-warrior personality plays a large part in the movies and in their publicity campaigns, and he has no use for neutrality, balance or objectivity. More than that, his polemical, left-populist manner seems calculated to drive guardians of conventional wisdom bananas. That is because conventional wisdom seems to hold, against much available evidence, that liberalism is an elite ideology, and that the authentic vox populi always comes from the right. Mr. Moore, therefore, must be an oxymoron or a hypocrite of some kind.

    So the table has been set for a big brouhaha over “Sicko,” which contends that the American system of private medical insurance is a disaster, and that a state-run system, such as exists nearly everywhere else in the industrialized world, would be better. This argument is illustrated with anecdotes and statistics — terrible stories about Americans denied medical care or forced into bankruptcy to pay for it; grim actuarial data about life expectancy and infant mortality; damning tallies of dollars donated to political campaigns — but it is grounded in a basic philosophical assumption about the proper relationship between a government and its citizens.

    Mr. Moore has hardly been shy about sharing his political beliefs, but he has never before made a film that stated his bedrock ideological principles so clearly and accessibly. His earlier films have been morality tales, populated by victims and villains, with himself as the dogged go-between, nodding in sympathy with the downtrodden and then marching off to beard the bad guys in their dens of power and privilege. This method can pay off in prankish comedy or emotional intensity — like any showman, Mr. Moore wants you to laugh and cry — but it can also feel manipulative and simplistic.

    In “Sicko,” however, he refrains from hunting down the C.E.O.’s of insurance companies, or from hinting at dark conspiracies against the sick.

    Concentrating on Americans who have insurance (after a witty, troubling acknowledgment of the millions who don’t), Mr. Moore talks to people who have been ensnared, sometimes fatally, in a for-profit bureaucracy and also to people who have made their livings within the system. The testimony is poignant and also infuriating, and none of it is likely to be surprising to anyone, Republican or Democrat, who has tried to see an out-of-plan specialist or dispute a payment.

    If you listen to what the leaders of both political parties are saying, it seems unlikely that the diagnosis offered by “Sicko” will be contested. I haven’t heard many speeches lately boasting about how well our health care system works. In this sense “Sicko” is the least controversial and most broadly appealing of Mr. Moore’s movies. (It is also, perhaps improbably, the funniest and the most tightly edited.) The argument it inspires will mainly be about the nature of the cure, and it is here that Mr. Moore’s contribution will be most provocative and also, therefore, most useful.

    “Sicko” is not a fine-grained analysis of policy alternatives. (You can find some of those in a recently published book called “Sick,” by Jonathan Cohn, and also in the wonkier precincts of the political blogosphere.) This film presents, instead, a simple compare-and-contrast exercise. Here is our way, and here is another way, variously applied in Canada, France, Britain and yes, Cuba. The salient difference is that, in those countries, where much of the second half of “Sicko” takes place, the state provides free medical care.

    With evident glee (and a bit of theatrical faux-naïvet&#233 Mr. Moore sets out to challenge some widely held American notions about socialized medicine.

    He finds that British doctors are happy and well paid, that Canadians don’t have to wait very long in emergency rooms, and that the French are not taxed into penury. “What’s your biggest expense after the house and the car?” he asks an upper-middle-class French couple. “Ze feesh,” replies the wife. “Also vegetables.”

    Yes, the utopian picture of France in “Sicko” may be overstated, but show me the filmmaker — especially a two-time Cannes prizewinner — who isn’t a Francophile of one kind or another. Mr. Moore’s funny valentine to a country where the government will send someone to a new mother’s house to do laundry and make carrot soup turns out to be as central to his purpose as his chat with Tony Benn, an old lion of Old Labor in Britain. Mr. Benn reads from a pamphlet announcing the creation of the British National Health Service in 1948, and explains it not as an instance of state paternalism but as a triumph of democracy.

    More precisely, of social democracy, a phrase that has long seemed foreign to the American political lexicon. Why this has been so is the subject of much scholarship and speculation, but Mr. Moore is less interested in tracing the history of American exceptionalism than in opposing it. He wants us to be more like everybody else. When he plaintively asks, “Who are we?,” he is not really wondering why our traditions of neighborliness and generosity have not found political expression in an expansive system of social welfare. He is insisting that such a system should exist, and also, rather ingeniously, daring his critics to explain why it shouldn’t.


    SICKO

    Opens today in Manhattan.

    Written and directed by Michael Moore; edited by Christopher Seward, Dan Sweitlik and Geoffrey Richman; produced by Mr. Moore and Meghan O’Hara; released by Lionsgate and the Weinstein Company. At the Lincoln Square, 1998 Broadway, at 68th Street. Running time: 123 minutes.

    Copyright 2007 The New York Times Company

    http://movies2.nytimes.com/2007/06/22/movies/22sick.html?em&ex=1182744000&en=bd0a459dd4e75a79&e i=5087%0A


    __________________________________________________ __________________

    The New York Times Co-Chief Movie Critic A. O. Scott reviews "Sicko," Michael Moore's documentary on the American health insurance industry:

    NY Times Movie Minutes: Sicko
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    In 2000 the World Health Organization ranked the worlds health care systems. (from what I understand they have not done another since) at that time, France was rated number 1.

    Number 2? You might be surprised to learn that it was Italy.

    The US? Number 37.

    http://www.who.int/whr/2000/media_ce.../en/index.html

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