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    ^ I am sure they will try to lower it down. They will find an excuse that is too tall. Like blocking the sunlight and all that stuff. Oh you know how they are in NYC. Tuff little crowd to please with tallness in this city.

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    Downtown Tower Developer Seeks CB1 Approval
    By Andrea Appleton
    POSTED JUNE 8, 2007

    One more towering glass building—this one 63 stories—may soon join the bumper crop planned for Lower Manhattan. But first the 725-foot tower at 50 West Street, near Rector Street, must survive an extensive city-mandated review.
    That’s what brought the developer, Time Equities, Inc., before combined committees of Community Board 1 on June 6 as they sought the board’s advisory approval. The transparent glass building would house about 300 condos and a 155-room high-end hotel, and would include a public plaza.
    A Uniform Land Use Review Procedure (ULURP) is required because the developer wants several exemptions to the current zoning, as well as permission to purchase air rights from the Brooklyn Battery Garage across the street. Once CB1 has reviewed the plans, they will go to Borough President Scott Stringer’s office, followed by the City Planning Department, and finally to the City Council.
    At the meeting of CB 1’s combined Financial District, Battery Park City and Quality of Life/Affordable Housing Committees, Philip Gesue, acquisitions director for Time Equities, Inc., argued that the city was getting something special in the bargain. The tower’s design is by the well-known architect, Helmut Jahn, and a plaza along the Joseph P. Ward and Washington Street edges of the lot would provide a pedestrian-friendly route between the southern part of Battery Park City and the rest of Lower Manhattan. Now, the only direct route from West Street to Washington Street in the area is through the Brooklyn Battery Garage or up a dark sidewalk hemmed in between the garage and the adjoining building.
    “Everybody who crosses the street here winds up walking up the middle of Joseph P. Ward Street because this sidewalk is so narrow and dirty,” said Gesue. “It’s dangerous and illegal, and doesn’t contribute to the fabric of the community.” He added that developers are aiming for gold-level LEED certification, the U.S. Green Building Council’s highest rating.
    But CB 1 members seemed unconvinced that the development would be good for the community.
    “You keep using very negative words to describe our neighborhood,” said board member Linda Belfer, a Battery Park City resident. “’Desolate’ and ‘gritty.’ We love our neighborhood, and what you’re proposing to do is going to vastly change it.”

    Among the changes they foresee, board members mentioned the increase in traffic and the burden on local schools from the influx of new residents, as well as the overall change to the neighborhood’s character the tall glass building would bring.
    To help mitigate effects on P.S./I.S. 89 Gesue said Time Equities, Inc. plans to buy 159 laptop computers for the schools. These would be distributed to all of the classrooms, making the computer room that the two schools now share obsolete and allowing P.S. 89 to add a classroom. Gesue said Time Equities, Inc. would also fund a full-time computer maintenance person for the schools for four years.
    “The impact on the school, the growth, directly affects P.S. 89,” said I.S. 89 principal Ellen Foote, who attended the meeting, “but indirectly affects I.S. 89. We’re being squeezed and the only way to maintain an appropriate level of technology is to go by this route.”
    While board members applauded the offer, it did not seem to appease them.
    “What we’re trying to do tonight,” said chair Julie Menin, “is give you a sense of our needs, and how you can mitigate the severe impacts which this project will have on our community.”
    Menin suggested some projects the developer might undertake, such as improving two small parks on Edgar Street, and adding benches and lighting to the streetscape around 50 West St. Others on the board suggested the building should include a cultural amenity.

    Board member Bill Love proposed that the plans should include a new pedestrian bridge. “We need a permanent bridge connecting the southern part of Battery Park City to the other side of West Street,” he said. “It seems to me that your building is really an ideal location for such a bridge to terminate.”
    Gesue said he would be open to considering the bridge proposal once the ULURP process was successfully completed. But about most of the other requests, he was noncommittal.
    “We didn’t come here tonight with a stripped-down building that doesn’t offer a whole lot to you and expect to be in a trading session here,” he said.
    The committees will meet again on June 18 to discuss the proposal and hammer out a resolution. The next evening, the full board will vote on it.
    Among the complex zoning modifications in the application is a request to “demap” several areas associated with the Brooklyn Battery Tunnel Approach. This would allow the developer to purchase air rights from the city, essentially buying them from the garage across the street. This would allow the building to add 183,000 square feet to the only 275,000 square feet that is currently allowed in the zoning.
    Board members were emphatic about where the money from selling the air rights ought to go if the application is passed.
    “The city is obviously getting substantial money for them,” said Menin. “I feel strongly that these proceeds must go into Lower Manhattan to benefit our community.”
    The committees will meet again to consider the application on June 18 at 6 p.m., at 49-51 Chambers St., Room 709.

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    Quote Originally Posted by krulltime View Post
    I did create a thread once, but Stern deleted. I was confuse by this thread before and I though it was for another tower (there are so many new towers in that area). But I am glad there is a thread for this tower finally.
    I didn't delete it. It was moved to Manhattan Residential Developments (not by me) only to move back to its own thread (also not by me). I had nothing to do with any of the moderating of this topic.
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    ^
    I split it into its own thread, but don't remember merging anything into Manhattan Residential.

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    Well then some other moderator moved it to Manhattan Residential Developments. I had no problem with the moderators decision to combine the thread with Manhattan Developments, if I would have I would have PM'd them. Krulltime I suggest you do the same, instead of calling me out for something I had absolutely no involvement in.

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    I just spent about the last half hour unsuccessfully looking for the building this project reminds me of, a clear glass tower in a small European city with circular openings for air ventilation, rounded corners, and a rounded internally dissolving roof-top atrium. It’s understated but brilliant. On paper this building is just as good, the design strikes me just right, I love the subtle jet out only to sculpt back at the top. The glass treatment on the rendering of the public plaza is exceptional, metal is an afterthought, and works nicely to encase the clear glass. The rounded corners relate nicely to the rounded top. My favorite part of the tower is the accretion to the clear dome, the giant window at the top is similar to the above mentioned European tower with the internally dissolving roof-top atrium, it also reminds me of the giant window at the top of 1 Wall Street, offering a thoroughly modern crown to a thoroughly modern building. Right now I’m not overly impressed with the renderings, instead I am excited about the design elements this building has and how they all seem to work together, on paper this is an excellent building, I hope the execution is up to par, which unfortunately isn’t always the case with Jahn buildings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HudsonNYC View Post

    Downtown Tower Developer Seeks CB1 Approval
    By Andrea Appleton
    POSTED JUNE 8, 2007
    At least the issue here, for the most part, is not the tower's height or size.



    NYatKnight
    Downtown will get a little curvier with this, The Visionaire, Goldman Sachs, & Beekman Tower.


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    From Jersey, this will appear to be among the tallest towers Downtown. That BPC mess, Liberty Court, is only 450' and look at its unfortunate impact. Also, I'm interested in seeing how that round top will work against the sharp crowns, spires, and flat roofs of Downtown.
    Last edited by Derek2k3; June 9th, 2007 at 05:25 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stern View Post
    Well then some other moderator moved it to Manhattan Residential Developments. I had no problem with the moderators decision to combine the thread with Manhattan Developments, if I would have I would have PM'd them. Krulltime I suggest you do the same, instead of calling me out for something I had absolutely no involvement in.
    My apologies for calling you out. I just though it was you for some reason. I think you were responding to that thread that I created aswell. But during that time you were also moving some of my other threads around since I coudn't figure it out that search option too well. But now with your hints, I know how to used though. So thank you for that.

    Anyway who ever move it that is in the past and I just don't care anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by krulltime View Post
    My apologies for calling you out. I just though it was you for some reason. I think you were responding to that thread that I created aswell. But during that time you were also moving some of my other threads around since I coudn't figure it out that search option too well. But now with your hints, I know how to used though. So thank you for that.

    Anyway who ever move it that is in the past and I just don't care anymore.
    I replied to your thread because I felt that such a significant project deserved its own thread. Another moderator moved the thread to Manhattan Residential Developments, moderators support other moderators decisions, so even though I didn't feel it should have been moved, I supported it. Next time if you feel a thread should be moved or changed or that it was moved or changed wrongly, PM one of us.

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    At 725 feet this would be my estimate at skyline impact....it might be a little conservative.



    After decades of mammoth blockbusters crowding the downtown skyline, it's refreshing to see narrow towers rise like they did in the 20's. 123 Washington as well as 111 Washington will also be visible in this shot.

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    Context




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    21 West



    The garage must go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sfenn1117 View Post
    After decades of mammoth blockbusters crowding the downtown skyline, it's refreshing to see narrow towers rise like they did in the 20's. 123 Washington as well as 111 Washington will also be visible in this shot.
    And in that photo, you can see the culprit that largely influenced zoning's mandated setbacks and height/width restrictions, which gave us all those soaring towers in the 20s: The Equitable Building, right under Chase Manhattan.

    Thanks for the rendering-preview. I really hope the developer just gives the community what it wants and the tower stays the same.

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    I love downtown Manhattan. The development here is uplifting. Macklowe is not allowed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by antinimby View Post




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    This development is not so bad in terms of design. But the antique that it is replacing is leaving a bad taste in my mouth. Cant it replace something else that nobody will miss such as a garage, one new york plaza, 55 water street or any one of those other 60's modernist garbage. Why get rid of such an elegant and distictive piece or architecture?
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    Personally I'd like to demo the ugly building to the left of 50 West Street. What an awful looking building. Looks just like the office building across Park Avenue from Chase's HQ at the former Union Carbide building. When was brown brick and creme accents in style?!?

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