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    Speaking of, anyone else see the story about the Mets owner Fred Wilpon returning a favor to Michael Bloomberg to support his gun control organization? He had the whole Mets team dress in a special t-shirt and pose for a picture that was published under that banner. Apparently Dillon Gee the starting pitcher is very pro gun rights and he later issued a statement that he had been deceived into posing for that picture.

    Fred Wilpon should know better than to mix sports with politics

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    Thank you NRA....

    White Suspect Captured in Killing of 9 at Historic Black Church in Charleston

    Dylann Roof, 21, Is in Custody, Accused of a Hate Crime

    Charleston’s police chief said that the suspect in the shooting at the Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church was caught about 200 miles away, in Shelby, N.C.

    Dylann Storm Roof wearing a jacket with the flags of apartheid-era South Africa, top, and Rhodesia, as modern-day Zimbabwe was called during a period of white rule.

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    As long as the US allows gun ownership, many fine words of condolences will be spoken and there'll be much wringing of hands whenever one of these incidents occurs. The figures speak for themselves, around 35,000 people die each year by the gun, and that's not counting the vast numbers wounded/maimed. Compare this with the UK which has roughly 20 gun deaths per year, and of course many other European countries which have very low rates of gun deaths or none at all. There has to be public pressure to change things, otherwise the powerful gun lobby will persist with its rapacious industry which claims more lives each year than 9/11, but no-one seemingly bats an eyelid - after a few weeks it's no longer newsworthy and it vanishes from the headlines until the next time, and unfortunately we all know there will be a next time, the only unknowns are when, where and by whom? When are the people of the US going to come to their senses? Such slaughter is appalling. And to be told that his father gave him a gun for his 21st birthday is just beggars belief!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wobert Wedford View Post
    There has to be public pressure to change things, otherwise the powerful gun lobby will persist with its rapacious industry which claims more lives each year than 9/11, but no-one seemingly bats an eyelid - after a few weeks it's no longer newsworthy and it vanishes from the headlines until the next time, and unfortunately we all know there will be a next time, the only unknowns are when, where and by whom?
    There is public pressure; both ways:

    I want to keep my gun basically because I want to hunt and feel that I have the need to protect myself against a hyper-illusion that I may need it (as the 2nd amendment entitles me to). Besides has anyone else been armed the shooter would have not killed as many people (because you know you now feel the need to bring a gun to church)

    There are mental cretins/ criminals out there that are dangerous with guns and it makes me feel unsafe.

    The former pays the Gun-Lobby with each gun purchase and they vote in congressional elections (so they have the political capita to invoke resistance to the insistence of the former).

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    There is much more to this than the NRA and the 2nd Amendment.

    This is primarily about racist terrorism, although we refuse to acknowledge it.

    Washington Post:

    Why South Carolina’s Confederate flag isn’t at half-staff after church shooting


    Wall Street Journal: Please ignore the Confederate flag on the South Carolina capitol — institutionalized racism “no longer exists” in the South

    No jokes on the Daily Show.

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    Anti-intellectualism Is Killing America

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    Anti-intellectualism isn't killing America, pill-popping gun-totting racists are!

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    And what makes them that way?

    The author's point, I believe.

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    Thank you NRA...
    (maybe this time some of your most eloquent NRA reps can go to the victims' families directly and explain why -when gun manufacturers profits are not taken into account in your efforts- broad gun rights are so important)

    Investigators of Oregon Shooting Seek Answers as Victims Are Mourned


    ROSEBURG, Ore. — As people mourned the dead, treated the injured and comforted the survivors, investigators on Friday tried to piece together why a gunman went on a shooting rampage at a community college here in rural southern Oregon.
    The shooting at Umpqua Community College on Thursday morning, by a 26-year-old man identified as Chris Harper Mercer, left 10 people dead and seven wounded. Law enforcement officials said he had three weapons, at least one of which was a long gun, and that the others were believed to be handguns.
    On Friday morning, John Hanlin, the Douglas County sheriff, told CNN that investigators had spent the night trying to reach neighbors and acquaintances of the gunman, and that they were still processing evidence from the crime scene. The gunman died in an exchange of fire with officers who rushed to the campus in response to 911 calls.
    Law enforcement officials said one witness had told them that the gunman, Mr. Mercer, had asked about people’s religions before he began firing. “He appears to be an angry young man who was very filled with hate,” one law enforcement official said.

    Investigators are also poring over what one official described as “hateful” writings by Mr. Mercer, who was described by people who encountered him as awkward, socially isolated and even mentally disturbed..
    With the State Police and several local law enforcement agencies aiding in the response, Sheriff Hanlin said Thursday, “I’m guessing we have well over 100 detectives and uniformed officers out there.”
    But on Friday he voiced caution about reaching any conclusions. “It is really too early to tell what the motive was,” he said. “We hope to get to the bottom of that in the next couple of days.”

    Patients were taken to Mercy Medical Center in Roseburg, Ore. Credit Aaron Yost/Roseburg News-Review, via Associated Press Of 10 people who were rushed to Mercy Medical Center in Roseburg, four underwent surgery for gunshot wounds, including one who died in the operating room, and two others were treated for less serious injuries and released, hospital officials said Friday at a predawn news conference. Three of the most seriously hurt were taken to PeaceHealth Sacred Heart Medical Center in Eugene.

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    Jason Gray, chief medical officer at Mercy, said that two of the gunshot victims there remained in critical but stable condition, and that he expected the other to be discharged Friday. He described gunshot wounds to the abdomen, chest, head and extremities.
    Hospital officials that stressed the facility was prepared for incidents like Thursday’s attack, but also noted the toll the shooting had taken in a town this size. “One of our biggest challenges is supporting not only our patients and families, but also our caregivers,” Gray said. “It’s been less than 24 hours. It’s still very raw. “
    Continue reading the main story Umpqua Community College remained closed on Friday and said it would not reopen until Monday. “Right now, it is a crime scene,” Rita Cavin, the interim president of the college, said.
    Hours after the shooting, several hundred people gathered at dusk for a candlelight vigil at Stewart Park here, about eight miles south of the college. Amid singing, bagpipe playing and prayers, college students and others tearfully mourned the dead. Speakers included Gov. Kate Brown. Candles and boxes of tissue lay scattered on the grass.

    “We know this is not going to be our defining moment,” John Blackwood, a computer science teacher at Umpqua Community College, said in a brief speech. “We’re going to go back to school Monday. We will not be terrorized, and we will not be intimidated by these types of people.”
    Photo Umpqua Community College in Roseburg, Ore." data-mediaviewer-credit="Ryan Kang/Associated Press">

    Family and friends were reunited at a nearby fairgrounds after a gunman opened fire at
    Umpqua Community College in Roseburg, Ore. Credit Ryan Kang/Associated Press Fighting back tears, the Roseburg city manager, Lance Colley, said: “It’s been the worst day of everybody’s life in the community. We’re not used to tragedies.”
    Mayors from across the country had reached out to him, he said, as had people whose lives have been touched by mass shootings, including the president of Virginia Tech, where a mass shooting in 2007 left 33 dead.
    Officials said that they would not release the name of the victims until Friday at the earliest, and that notifying their families was their top priority.

    The shooting prompted an angry and frustrated response on Thursday from President Obama, who said the latest mass killing should move Americans to demand greater gun controls from elected officials.
    “Somehow this has become routine,” Mr. Obama said. “I’d ask the American people to think about how they can get our government to change these laws, and to save these lives and let these people grow up.”
    Tactical teams and bomb technicians had cleared all the buildings on campus by late Thursday, and were working to clear the hundreds of vehicles still parked on campus, Sheriff Hanlin said. Teams from the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the Oregon State Police were collecting evidence from the crime scene.

    Personnel from several law enforcement agencies converged on the campus. “We all froze for about half a second” when the shots broke out, one student said. Credit Michael Sullivan/The News-Review, via Associated Press Speaking about the gunman, Sheriff Hanlin asked that people avoid “any glorification and sensationalization of him.”
    “I don’t want to glorify the shooter,” he said. “I don’t want to glorify his name. I don’t want to glorify his cause.”
    Officers with the Department of Homeland Security arrived Thursday night at a dun-colored apartment complex here near the college, where Mr. Mercer was reported to have lived. The authorities had cordoned off the building, and three neighbors said they recognized photographs of the gunman.

    Federal law enforcement officials said they were examining an online conversation on 4chan, an anonymous message board, as well as on other social media, to determine whether any of it was linked to the gunman. In that conversation, one writer said, “Don’t go to school tomorrow if you are in the Northwest.”
    Roseburg, with a population of 22,000 and about 180 miles south of Portland, is a part of the Pacific Northwest that in many ways has been left behind while the region has moved toward an economy of technology and high wages. Once a major center for wood milling, it has struggled in recent decades as the timber harvests in the national forests that hug the community have declined.
    Grape cultivation for wine has helped somewhat, but poverty and unemployment rates are high. In August, according to the most recent government figures, Douglas County had an unemployment rate of 8.1 percent, tied for the second-highest in the state. About 20 percent of residents in the city and county live below the federal poverty line.
    Umpqua Community College, which has about 3,000 students, reflects that struggle, with many of its students coming back to school to gain skills for a career change. The average student is 37, and popular courses of study include winemaking, nursing, welding and auto mechanics.
    “It’s a community college, so a lot of our friends and family attend this college,” Sheriff Hanlin said.
    The issue of gun control has recently roiled Oregon. This year, state legislators passed a law closing a loophole for background checks on private gun sales, after years of trying to win support for it.
    Sheriff Hanlin had forcefully lobbied against gun control after previous school shootings, but on Friday he told CNN that now was not the time to discuss gun control.
    “We want to focus on completing this investigation, doing a thorough investigation,” he said. “And more importantly we want to focus on the families of the victims.”

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