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    I will like to see the rendering before I make judgement. But 60 stories sounds really good to me.


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    LL: Where did you find that article?
    It is from today's The Real Deal...

    http://www.therealdeal.net/breaking_...1156805102.php

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    Using Google MAP and the "Metes and Bounds" info from DOB I think the MAP below (attached) shows the sites where Buildings have already been Demolished and Buildings still to be Demolished:

    Metes and Bounds from DOB Application (they don't all add up ):
    Beginning at a point on the SOUTH side of EAST 23RD STREET
    Distant 292.11 ft. EAST of the corner formed by the intersection of BROADWAY and EAST 23RD STREET
    RUNNING THENCE: E 125 FT.
    THENCE: S 98.90 FT.
    RUNNING THENCE: E 15.16 FT.
    THENCE: S 98 . 90 FT.
    RUNNING THENCE W 33.60 FT.
    THENCE N 98.90 FT.
    RUNNING THENCE W 75.80 FT.
    THENCE N 98.90 FT.

    ULT. NO. OF STORIES 47
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    I'm always for taller buildings, but I agree with lofter....I would have an objection to 60 stories. At least with a 46 story building, the top of Met Life will still be visible. Depending on how good the design is, it could be another 10 Barclay travesty.

    http://www.sotawall.com/site_pages/USA_sites.html

    Still no renderings on "20 east 23rd."

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    Now that I look again, it just might be that the 5-story loft building on E. 23 just west of the Demo site might be part of this plot, too ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by sfenn1117 View Post


    Depending on how good the design is, it could be another 10 Barclay travesty.
    Me crying already

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    Quote Originally Posted by krulltime View Post

    60 stories sounds really good to me.
    No, no, not here ....... please

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    It'd be nice if the building with the Wendy's was demolished. I love Wendy's, but they really had their way with ruining a lot of old buildings across Manhattan with the same tacky facade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sfenn1117 View Post
    It'd be nice if the building with the Wendy's was demolished. I love Wendy's, but they really had their way with ruining a lot of old buildings across Manhattan with the same tacky facade.

    I agree. The Wendy's building is atrocious.

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    Wendy's is at 26 E. 23rd ...

    DOB shows an application Filed / Approved for that building on 8.08.2006:

    Job Description:

    Reconstruction of existing building parapet on the roof. Architectural and structural work. No change of use, occupancy or egress.
    So as of three weeks ago that building doesn't look like it's getting ready for Demolition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lofter1 View Post
    Wendy's is at 26 E. 23rd ...

    DOB shows an application Filed / Approved for that building on 8.08.2006:

    Job Description:

    Reconstruction of existing building parapet on the roof. Architectural and structural work. No change of use, occupancy or egress.
    So as of three weeks ago that building doesn't look like it's getting ready for Demolition.
    That's a shame. But for a few horrible buildings just east of this site (including Wendy's), this is a really nice block with beautiful old buildings.

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    Default The nearby wendy's building...

    Quote Originally Posted by londonlawyer View Post
    I agree. The Wendy's building is atrocious.
    Here is the Wendy's building- Looks like they are way under FAR so there may be air rights available to develop (unless they sold them...)
    http://www.propertyshark.com/mason/R...?propkey=13136

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    Quote Originally Posted by lofter1 View Post

    The "Metes and Bounds" on the DOB New Building App. describe a frontage on E. 23rd of 125'
    Looking at DOB for info on the buildings surrounding the 2 sites Demo'd so far ...

    To achieve a frontage on E. 23rd of 125' it seems that these are the lots on E. 23rd that the SAYA project would encompass (if acquired and approved):

    18 E. 23rd (in tact 5-story): 25' frontage
    20 E. 23rd (Demo'd): 25' frontage
    22 E. 23rd: (Demo'd): 26' frontage
    24 E. 23rd: (in tact 6-story): 25' frontage
    26 E. 23rd: (in tact 4-story): 24' frontage (Wendy's)

    TOTAL: 125'

    It seems that the lots on E. 22nd would be #23 & #25

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    Quote Originally Posted by lofter1 View Post
    Looking at DOB for info on the buildings surrounding the 2 sites Demo'd so far ...

    To achieve a frontage on E. 23rd of 125' it seems that these are the lots on E. 23rd that the SAYA project would encompass (if acquired and approved):

    18 E. 23rd (in tact 5-story): 25' frontage
    20 E. 23rd (Demo'd): 25' frontage
    22 E. 23rd: (Demo'd): 26' frontage
    24 E. 23rd: (in tact 6-story): 25' frontage
    26 E. 23rd: (in tact 4-story): 24' frontage (Wendy's)

    TOTAL: 125'

    It seems that the lots on E. 22nd would be #23 & #25
    The 2 buildings that have been demolished seem quite small to accomodate a 40 to 60 story building.

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    The two demo'd sites are both ~ 25' x 100' = 5000 ft. sq. x 60 floors = (at FAR 10) 50,000 max gross sq. ft. / 90 units = 556 sq. ft. / unit

    Clearly the project they are thinking about and have described includes many more plots not yet demo'd.

    As described by DOB Application the proposed plot includes two interlocking & offset plots ...

    23rd St: 125' x 98' = 12,250 sq. ft. x FAR 10 = 122,500 gross ft. sq.
    22nd St: 33' x 98' = 3,234 sq. ft. x FAR 10 = 32,340 gross ft. sq.

    TOTAL Gross Square Ft. = 154,840

    (DOB says 163,500 GSF)

    So it would seem this project has a long ways to go before it becomes what they envision.

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    47-story condo tower with 90 units planned for 23rd Street


    29-AUG-06

    Records on file with the New York City Department of Buildings indicate that Slazer Enterprises of New City, New York, has commissioned Cetra/Ruddy Inc., the architects of the 58-story Orion at 350 West 42nd Street to design a 47-story building with 90 residential condominium apartments at 20 West 23rd Street on the former site of a building occupied from 1985 to last year by Aperture, the photography magazine.

    Although the Building Department’s records indicate that the building will be 544 feet tall, Keith Goich of Cetra/Ruddy Inc., told CityRealty.com that the building will be about 604 feet tall.

    The great Metropolitan Life Insurance Company Tower, whose address is One Madison Avenue, on the southeast corner of Madison Avenue and 24th Street that was designed in 1909 by Napoleon Le Brun and was the tallest building in the world at 700 feet until 1913 when that title passed to the Woolworth Building at 233 Broadway. The New York Life Insurance Company Building on the northeast corner of Madison Avenue at 26th Street is 615 feet tall and the Merchandise Mart Building at 41 Madison Avenue is 577 feet tall.

    The new building would be the tallest on the south side of Madison Square Park, and would tower over the 423-unit Madison Green at 5 East 22nd Street, and the Flatiron Building.

    Madison Square Park has been the center of considerable real estate activity in recent years.

    One Madison Avenue has been acquired by Ian Schrager and Aby Rosen who may convert it to a hotel and condominium apartments. The former Toy Center at 200 Fifth Avenue and 1107 Broadway are being converted to condominium apartments as is the former Gift Building at 225 Fifth Avenue and the top floors at 15 East 26th Street are being converted to residential condominiums and 50 Madison Avenue was recently enlarged and converted to residential condominiums.

    The Flatiron District is not only convenient to Midtown, but also to Chelsea, Gramercy Park, Murray Hill and the Union Square districts and it is well served by public transportation.

    A report today by therealdeal.com indicated that the planned building at 20 East 23rd Street would be 60 stories tall, but Mr. Goich indicated that the correct figure was 47. He said that questions about the building’s name, Saya, should directed to Richard Cantor of Cantor Pecorella, a marketing company, but Mr. Cantor did not return a call this afternoon from CityRealty.com.

    The article at therealdeal.com by Vanessa Londono indicated that apartment prices “will range from $1 million to $6 million,” with a 7,500-square-foot triplex priced at $30 million” and occupancy planned for 2008.

    Slazer Development LLC built Mirabelle-on-the-Hudson recently in North Bergen, N.J., a 23-unit residential condominium project. A call to Ira Shapiro, a principal of Slazer Development, by Cityrealty.com was not returned today.

    Slazer Enterprises owns 20 and 22 East 23rd Street and has entered into air-rights agreements with the properties at 18, 24 and 26 East 23rd Street and 23 East 22nd Street, which has a 33-foot-4-inch frontage on 22nd Street.


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